Mystery Maniacs

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Sarah
Would you like to go for a swing?

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Mark
Swing? Did you hear me say swing? I said swing.

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Sarah
Do you know what that means? Oh. Anyway. Hey, maniac.

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Mark
Hey, Maniac.

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Sarah
It's Mystery Maniac.

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Mark
Mystery Maniacs is a comedy recap podcast dedicated to mystery TV. Each week, we dig into an episode of the show, including the murders, the mayhem, the loonies, and everything else we love. This week, we're covering Murdoch Mysteries. Episode three The Knock Down. I am Mark.

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Sarah
I'm Sarah.

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Mark
This is a spoiler podcast.

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Sarah
We're going to ruin it for you.

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Mark
Going to ruin.

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Sarah
It for you. We're going to tell you who did it.

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Mark
And if your kids can go to boxing matches, then they can go to this.

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Sarah
I don't know if that's a good rule because I don't think I could handle a boxing match in person. It kind of bothers me. Just the idea of it bothers me. I'll bet against it. People like it. Whatever. I can do.

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Mark
It. Yeah. If you're coming here for deep, in-depth boxing coverage of this.

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Sarah
Episode, you're at the wrong destination.

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Mark
As mentioned, when we covered the Midsomer Boxing episode. Neither of us are into it.

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Sarah
It's really sports of any kind except hockey for you.

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Mark
Oh, curling. I like winter sports.

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Sarah
It's boxing. Winter?

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Mark
No.

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Sarah
Can you box out in the cold? It would add another level of difficulty.

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Mark
You know, boxing.

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Sarah
If you're numb. Like, Did you hear me? I don't play.

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Mark
The way people in Canada, like. I'm sorry about the weather.

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Sarah
I know it looks really bad anywhere north of us. Really? It looks really? Yeah.

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Mark
It snowed in Thunder.

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Sarah
Say, those shouldn't happen again.

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Mark
Not good. Speaking of Toronto Murdoch mysteries, murder in F major is this Friday and Saturday coming up at Roy Thomson Hall.

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Sarah
If you're in Toronto and you go, let us know how it was First search.

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Mark
Take pictures and send them to us. Yeah, absolutely.

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Sarah
Livestream it from your phone in secret.

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Mark
Yeah. Oh, no.

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Sarah
Don't get in.

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Mark
Trouble. Those people make a living.

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Sarah
I just can't be there. We would. I know.

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Both
We paid to.

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Mark
Send those pictures.

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Sarah
Yes, absolutely. Wasn't that number one, too? Then you say send us pictures and send us pictures.

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Both
Maybe. Thank you did.

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Sarah
Number one is now secretly live stream it. And number two is take pictures of yourself.

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Mark
There is no number one. Oh, Crabtree and Murdoch are going to be there.

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Sarah
Yeah. So second thing before we dive in.

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Mark
We got an email that made us cry immediately.

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Sarah
Oh, my gosh. It made me cry with joy.

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Mark
So we got I saw the pictures first, which the picture almost made me cry. And we're still waiting on permission to put these pictures on social media. So they may or may not be, but.

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Sarah
We'll describe them to you so it doesn't matter. So a listener named Jessie had a baby.

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Mark
She had a baby named Finn.

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Sarah
Congratulations. Yes. And she sent a picture of little baby Shane in his little hospital. Those clear plastic bins, they.

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Both
Keep babies.

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Sarah
With a socko fox t shirt over him.

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Mark
And she says that all the nurses love my Socko Fox T-shirt.

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Sarah
For those of you who are new since we started Murdock, that is a mid-summer reference. Yes, about I've seen a crime.

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Mark
Fox It's a long.

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Sarah
Refer to the merch store. Yeah, for more details.

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Mark
Yep. And as soon has an older brother and while pregnant Finn's older brother and Jessi watched midsummer together and listened to the podcast and now she needs an extra nap and she's going to make sure that they both subscribe on their to you. To Jeff, one of mine.

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Sarah
No. And what does that do to a baby if they you know, they say that you should play classical music on your tummy, you know, to make your baby smarter if you expose them to Midsomer Murders while you're pregnant. We never know how your parenting is going to turn out.

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Mark
Speaking of merch, you got a little hint of our new merch. We mine the mailing list this week.

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Sarah
Yes, we might have teased with a new design. That has to happen. Have a certain spirited redhead on it. Doesn't Julia Jean.

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Mark
Genie?

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Sarah
No.

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Mark
Nocturnal druid. One of our long term fans on YouTube pointed out the comparison between Bracken Reed and Gene Genie from Life on Mars.

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Sarah
Yeah, I think it's a good comparison.

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Mark
I think.

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Sarah
I think that would be.

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Mark
I think they would be very much, Bro.

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Sarah
Are you ready for the knockdown?

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Mark
Yeah, it's Original Air Date, the 3rd of February 2008. Is it weird to you that we've been living in Bloomington the entire time that moves? Murdock has been on? Yeah, it is quite strange. Directed by Sean Thompson and written by Alexandra Zoro in the OC. And we're right into the boxing right away.

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Sarah
This is a 30 round boxing match.

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Both
It's a lot.

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Sarah
I think they're limited to 12 now, so I wanted to know what the most round had ever been held, that professional boxing match. Do you want to guess?

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Mark
128?

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Sarah
No. 276. Wow. So you want to guess how long it took.

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Mark
Or around is 2 minutes with 30 seconds between them.

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Sarah
So you got to do the math. I guess.

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Mark
The other.

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Sarah
4 hours and 30 minutes I was.

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Mark
Getting close to saying that.

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Sarah
Was in 1825 in Cheshire.

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Mark
It may have been bare knuckle, too.

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Sarah
Probably it was before the Queensbury rules.

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Mark
No.

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Sarah
So I'll hold no holds barred right now. It was like in the main Boxing Day and.

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Mark
I don't like any of.

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Sarah
It.

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Mark
I don't I don't even like fighting in hockey. Like somebody is going to tell you, watch hockey.

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Both
It's about violence. While I.

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Mark
Don't like fighting in hockey, they could remove fighting from hockey and I would be okay with.

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Sarah
It. Yeah, me too. Yeah. There's really only one boxing match I wish I could have seen live.

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Mark
Muhammad Ali versus Superman. No. Okay.

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Sarah
Not even the one where Mitt Romney boxed somebody. Oh, yeah. I think he boxed Holyfield.

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Mark
There was an amazing comic in the seventies where Muhammad Ali fought Superman die.

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Sarah
That's not even a match. Like Superman could like, knock his head off.

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Mark
It's explained in the study.

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Sarah
Did they put some some kryptonite in his underwear to handicap him or something?

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Mark
No, no, it's explained in the story.

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Sarah
Okay, But.

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Mark
It's an amazing piece of art.

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Sarah
No, the matched it. I would have liked to have been there to see live. Was this 1993 Holyfield fight against this guy? I think his name is Bowie.

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Mark
Okay.

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Sarah
And in the middle. And it was in an arena, a big arena, open air and open topped arena in the middle of the fight. This guy came down out of the sky on a parachute that was fan powered so he could steer it. And it was just it was just a goof. Just right. Yeah, but he landed and they both jumped on him and, like, beat the crap out of them because they thought he was a terrorist, because he had just landed.

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Sarah
I mean, it must just been chaos, Michael And then the big the big parachute was all caught up on the ropes and was like, partially covering the the the what do you call it, where they boxed the ring? The ring even though it's square? Yes.

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Mark
The squared circle was it.

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Sarah
It was like partially covering that. So they were like restraining beating this guy up while nobody could see what I mean. It just must have been crazy.

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Mark
That's super weird. It's super weird that boxing used to be on, like, national televised television.

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Sarah
Like, on the main stations. Yeah, well, in this episode, we've got Amos Robinson fighting Bob Sullivan.

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Mark
Bob Sullivan. Stand in white, dude.

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Sarah
Yeah, It's like the most boring name. And apparently he. Amos was supposed to throw it.

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Mark
He was supposed to throw the match, but he doesn't. And he wins.

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Sarah
In TV or movies to somebody who's supposed to throw a boxing match. Ever actually do it? No, I don't. I mean.

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Mark
Come on there. There's no drama.

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Sarah
The plot is that they don't do it. Yeah, And then everybody's upset, right? Because the bet.

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Mark
And that, like, that's the origin of so many stories to come, including like, Daredevil, the comic book characters.

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Sarah
And that's where WWF wrestling comes from.

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Mark
What?

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Sarah
Because everybody knows he's going to win from the very beginning. And it's not a surprise. And nobody has to lie about who's going to win. You know.

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Mark
You're telling me that wrestling is fake.

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Sarah
It's all scripted. Yeah, okay.

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Mark
I know.

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Both
I know. No, I know.

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Sarah
And I was joking.

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Mark
It goes really nicely into they don't waste their time with. We're going to show you boxing over. Boxing over boxing. Oh, no, no, no. Like we're into dead body right away. Yeah. This is not Raging Bull.

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Sarah
It's the the end of the match. Yep. Dead person. Yeah. Amos has been shot at close range, right in the heart in his hotel. He's down green. It's like he's quite the specimen.

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Mark
And it's on Queen Victoria's birthday.

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Sarah
Look at his arm.

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Mark
Yes. She's like, for her now.

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Sarah
Hey, it's a corpse. Julia.

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Both
You're not supposed.

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Sarah
To go a broom over a corpse. Yeah. So there's fireworks going on.

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Mark
Victoria Day is a Canadian holiday that happens in May. That is really kind of excuse to have a holiday in May. Yeah, it's around the.

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Sarah
Time because Mother's Day is not enough.

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Mark
You don't get Mother's Day off work.

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Sarah
My birthday's not enough.

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Mark
You don't get your day off your birthday off work nationwide either. It's really the also, it's also true.

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Sarah
Now, do people get Charles's birthday off? No.

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Mark
It's always the 24th of.

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Sarah
It's only ever Victoria's birthday.

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Mark
Yeah, it's, it's Victoria's birthday, but it's the celebration of the current monarch, too. There's fireworks and it's really the unofficial start of two things. Summer, summer and planting. Right. You can start to plant your garden after that.

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Sarah
It's not fair, though, that if you're the monarch that people don't get your birthday off because it's not the same as Victoria. So they should time it better. But Amundsen's shot with a derringer? Yes. Do you know anything about their fingers?

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Mark
It's a tiny gun. The gun they show shooting has something written on the barrel about Germany. But I don't know what a derringer is.

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Sarah
A derringer? It's Bitcoin.

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Mark
In that scene as a woman's gun.

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Sarah
Well, because it's small. Yeah, it's.

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Mark
It's a.

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Sarah
Pistol. It was invented in the late 1700s. It's a very small pistol. Yeah, It was like a single shot pistol.

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Mark
Two single shot.

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Sarah
But what it became is like Kleenex. It's a generic name for any small pistol. Yes. The Palme pistol. Yeah. It's also the kind of gun that Lincoln was shot with. Yes, it's a Palme is a Derringer Palme pistol. I think Colt owns the name now, but, yeah, it's just a little. This is a little gun. Yes. And they the coolest one I saw.

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Sarah
Part of what makes it little is that it doesn't have the same kind of cylinder to hold it like a revolver.

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Mark
This is a single shot.

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Sarah
So while some of them are like three shots. Yeah, but the course, when I saw instead of the barrel, like going down to open it like a shotgun does or having a revolver or that spins out and has the little slots in it for the bullets, the barrel went to the side.

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Mark
Oh and then you put the bullets. Yeah.

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Sarah
So it pivots like perpendicular to the handle. Oh that's a loaded. And then put it back. It takes less space. Yeah. So you can put it in your pocket anyway.

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Mark
Well he's got big arms.

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Sarah
He does have big.

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Both
Arm.

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Mark
He does.

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Sarah
He's played by Andrew Hinkson who is above dude.

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Mark
He's buff dude. Yeah, certainly is buff, dude. But not he's buff like a boxer. Buff?

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Sarah
Yeah. It's not like weightlifter. Buff.

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Mark
Yes. And his wife is found over the body with the gun. She obviously did it.

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Sarah
Poor Fanny.

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Mark
Trophy.

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Sarah
Framed. Well, not really.

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Mark
It's not really framed.

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Sarah
She framed herself. She sort of accidentally. Yeah, that's the rule of thumb. If you find your loved one dead and it's clearly a homicide, don't cradle them in your arms or just make you look guilty.

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Mark
Or pick it up.

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Sarah
Go up and down. Especially if you're in a TV show. Just, you know, if you think there's some cameras, don't do that. Yeah, Crabtree is funny when they're looking at the body. He and Murdoch. How does Crabtree get around? Oh, I know they're talking about Victoria's birthday, and he says that he just gave his granny some oranges.

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Mark
Yeah.

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Sarah
For her birthday.

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Mark
So crab trees lineage is in question constantly.

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Sarah
Mm hmm.

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Mark
And we find out that he has a number of Vance.

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Sarah
Yeah.

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Mark
And then we find out he doesn't really have a number.

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Sarah
They're not related to him.

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Mark
He's just tumbling. Yeah, He was placed at a brothel.

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Sarah
Yes. So he was raised by a bunch of very friendly prostitutes. So his aunt.

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Mark
I don't know who he's talking about.

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Sarah
Yeah, I don't know who is granny is.

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Mark
I think. I think.

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Sarah
Maybe it was one of their mothers later.

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Mark
On, but. Or he says Granny.

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Sarah
Maybe he refers to the madam as his gravy.

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Mark
Baby.

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Sarah
Speaking of childhood. Wow. It's a wonder that Crabtree turns out the way.

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Mark
Crabtree would see the nanny like that. He sees the best in people.

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Sarah
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

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Mark
So then we have the first scene, and we're going to deal with this really quickly in the same way that Murdoch deals with it. There's a little bit about race here because both the boxer, the manager and his wife are black. They sort of say there are things that we could talk about, about race and we will lightly touch on them.

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Mark
But we are a light, cozy mystery show, so we're going to.

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Sarah
Acknowledge them and move on. Yes. And there's stuff we're going to do, too. Yes. Because we're not a show to talk about big, heavy issues. We acknowledge that it's an issue. And it was an issue even back then.

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Mark
Yes, indeed.

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Sarah
But Murdoch goes all cop on her.

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Mark
Well, okay. So now, going back to what I said in an earlier episode where we talked about Americans, black Americans are seen as sympathetic white Americans.

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Sarah
They're the evil people in Murdoch. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. White Americans are stupid snobs.

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Mark
And at least they didn't say kind of come off and say, Oh, there's no racism here in Canada. There's lots of racism at this time in Canada. Yeah, But also there's no slavery. There's no we were a little more forward.

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Sarah
Yes, it was a little bit better place. Yes. Not not the best, not perfect, but a little bit better. But then we get my favorite character of the episode. Okay. Who is the desk clerk at the hotel? Yes.

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Mark
And his interesting glasses.

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Sarah
He's played by Scott Anderson, and he is of not including the recurring characters. The first person we see in Murdoch who is in later episode.

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Mark
Oh, he's in another episode.

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Sarah
This is his first of three.

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Mark
Oh yeah. No, he was in other episodes. Now, does the guy from the newspaper, the photographer, show up again because he has a feeling of, we're going to see this guy again?

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Sarah
No, he doesn't. But he should.

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Mark
He should.

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Sarah
He does have that. Like you're going to see me again. Oh, kind of. He's called newsman Louis and N Louis.

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Mark
Yes. Okay.

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Sarah
Well, desk clerk is just desk clerk. Yes, he's great. Yeah, you're right. He has glasses that are fantastic.

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Mark
So tell me about these glasses.

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Sarah
The first of many glasses in this episode that are fantastic he has on pensioners. Is that how you say them? Yes. Which are the armless glasses that pinch your nose? Yes. But what's special about his is his have a little chain right now. A lot of people have pins with a little chain like Perot Warren does. The chain goes to your pocket usually because you anchor them.

00;15;32;07 - 00;15;49;01
Sarah
They're like almost like a pocket watch. Yeah. So when you're not wearing them, it's easy to put them back in your pocket. But his are different. Yes. They have an earpiece instead. Yes. So it's like a little curved wire that goes around the top and back of your ear. Yeah. So when he takes his off, if he does, he probably doesn't.

00;15;49;01 - 00;15;50;04
Sarah
They would hang.

00;15;50;07 - 00;15;50;24
Mark
Off his.

00;15;50;24 - 00;15;53;05
Sarah
Ear. Off his ear. But so instead.

00;15;53;13 - 00;15;57;02
Mark
Yeah. And I totally think that it's a not an anachronism.

00;15;57;05 - 00;16;04;09
Sarah
Oh no. They're absolutely authentic to the Victorian era and they're so cool. I've never seen any with that kind of chain on them.

00;16;04;23 - 00;16;06;02
Mark
Then we have a transition.

00;16;06;02 - 00;16;12;08
Sarah
But he's also oblivious to everything. Yes, lies constantly and is afraid of everything. Yes. Only makes $0.18 an hour.

00;16;12;09 - 00;16;12;27
Mark
$0.18.

00;16;14;05 - 00;16;14;19
Both
Is such a.

00;16;14;19 - 00;16;15;14
Sarah
Character.

00;16;15;25 - 00;16;21;13
Mark
Did you notice in the transition here there's a sign for dramatic war pictures? Yes.

00;16;21;21 - 00;16;23;26
Sarah
The poster outside the police station.

00;16;23;27 - 00;16;27;12
Mark
So what war would that be? I would have to think crime in.

00;16;27;14 - 00;16;27;24
Sarah
I.

00;16;27;25 - 00;16;30;18
Mark
Yeah. And maybe Americans. Civil war.

00;16;30;21 - 00;16;38;21
Sarah
That's too long. I mean, that's like, what, 20 years before. Yeah, that's too long ago. Yeah. And. And no rent. I don't know what that one's about. I don't.

00;16;38;21 - 00;16;39;15
Mark
Know either.

00;16;39;18 - 00;16;44;15
Sarah
They, they put a lot of emphasis on Murdoch and crab trees notebooks in this episode.

00;16;44;16 - 00;16;44;22
Mark
They.

00;16;44;22 - 00;16;49;19
Sarah
Do you see their notebooks a lot. Yes. You know about policemen's notebooks.

00;16;49;19 - 00;17;06;17
Mark
So policemen's notebooks are generally seen in cozy mysteries as being a thing in which policemen take all their notes. They keep them after they've left the job and they hold vital pieces of evidence that are in later cold cases.

00;17;08;10 - 00;17;12;11
Sarah
They're in a shoe box that somebody conveniently gets out and goes through later.

00;17;12;11 - 00;17;20;07
Mark
Now, my only interaction with detectives, they did, in fact, have notebooks. So I would assume that this is a regular thing.

00;17;20;13 - 00;17;39;29
Sarah
And I remember it's been ten years ago or so, maybe even longer. I was at an auction, like an estate auction, and there was a box and notebooks and files. I sort of bought it. Yeah, I think somebody got it for like $5, and I kind of bought it and I didn't buy it. Man. They are an official thing to this day.

00;17;39;29 - 00;17;52;21
Sarah
They're an official thing, especially in the U.K. and in Canada. I don't know how instituted they are in the US police and I wound up reading the whole Mersey Side police police notebook policy guide.

00;17;53;18 - 00;17;54;07
Mark
Okay.

00;17;55;17 - 00;17;56;14
Sarah
Because that's the kind of.

00;17;56;26 - 00;17;58;06
Mark
Guy we.

00;17;58;06 - 00;18;20;15
Sarah
Are. But yeah, they're very official. They're distributed by a sergeant or someone of higher rank who is officially designated to distribute them. They are numbered, they are cataloged and they know which notebook you have and when it is full, you turn it in, you sign a slip in the back and so does the person. It's evidence. The next notebook.

00;18;20;15 - 00;18;37;10
Sarah
They have to keep them on file. At least in Merseyside police six years, they have to keep them. But now they also have the E, P and B, which is the electronic pocket. Nope. Oh, which is a similar system but on a smartphone with a pen.

00;18;37;12 - 00;18;38;11
Mark
Oh, that's cool.

00;18;38;11 - 00;19;02;27
Sarah
So it's sent up real time. But shortly after Murdoch is is set, so like around 1910, 1915, they came out with police notebooks. Police issued notebooks that look just like these. But the paper is waterproof and un terrible. Oh, you weren't kidding. You were never supposed to tear the page out. Ever. When Murdoch does that, he's breaking a rule.

00;19;02;27 - 00;19;07;15
Sarah
At least ten or 15 years later. It would have been a rule breaking that he tears that out.

00;19;07;15 - 00;19;15;14
Mark
Like when Crabtree hands over his notebook. It's meant to be like an official thing. Yes, I'm handing you my notebook.

00;19;15;14 - 00;19;35;01
Sarah
Yeah, And Murdoch would have initialed the pages that he was reviewing as his supervisor. He was using that evidence. And so at this time, the only pages you were supposed to tear out were from the back. So if you had to tear a page out to, like, give somebody some information, you'd write it on the very last page and make.

00;19;35;01 - 00;19;36;03
Mark
It a number stuff.

00;19;36;03 - 00;19;38;11
Sarah
Yeah. And you tear it out and hand it to them.

00;19;38;13 - 00;19;42;12
Mark
He's totally a cop here, too. Like he asked her a tough question.

00;19;42;12 - 00;19;43;27
Sarah
Yeah, he does. He does.

00;19;43;27 - 00;19;46;18
Mark
He doesn't make assumptions. And he's a cop cop here.

00;19;46;18 - 00;19;51;09
Sarah
But he also treats her like a human being and has sympathy for her almost immediately because.

00;19;51;09 - 00;19;51;28
Mark
Again, she.

00;19;51;28 - 00;19;54;07
Sarah
Just fell her husband dead. Yeah.

00;19;54;13 - 00;19;55;18
Mark
Yeah, absolutely.

00;19;55;19 - 00;20;01;12
Sarah
When I was looking at when you see Murdoch taking notes in his notebook and you actually see his writing.

00;20;01;12 - 00;20;02;25
Mark
He has very nice penmanship.

00;20;02;28 - 00;20;05;28
Sarah
Okay, But you don't see him writing. You see hands.

00;20;05;28 - 00;20;06;23
Mark
You use your.

00;20;06;24 - 00;20;15;03
Sarah
Hands. You see him write on a chalkboard sometimes, though. Yannick Bisson Yeah, I wonder what they do if the actor has a really horrible handwriting.

00;20;15;04 - 00;20;16;14
Mark
They have a hand model.

00;20;16;14 - 00;20;19;29
Sarah
But like, okay, I'm not trying to offend you, but you have a serial killer.

00;20;20;00 - 00;20;21;20
Mark
I do. I do. Very bad.

00;20;21;20 - 00;20;25;25
Sarah
Handwriting. If you were the star of this show, they would definitely need a stand in. They write.

00;20;25;25 - 00;20;29;13
Mark
For you? Absolutely. They were like, Did you finish school?

00;20;30;20 - 00;20;45;21
Sarah
Like, we can't show a scene of Mark's character writing on the chalkboard. And does somebody else's hand is like through the sleeve of his coat holding the chalk mark or, you know, writing on the chalkboard. Yeah, if that's his writing, it's good. And it looks like it might be because he writes on the chalkboard and it's good. Yeah.

00;20;45;25 - 00;20;47;28
Mark
Oh, we got chalkboard stuff to talk about.

00;20;49;05 - 00;21;01;08
Sarah
So we've got Fanny, her husband Amos, who's dead, and then Amos, his agent. Who is Aussie, Aussie, Aussie beers? Yes. Do you know what Aussie can be short for? Ozwald Yeah.

00;21;01;13 - 00;21;02;18
Mark
Osmond Yes.

00;21;03;26 - 00;21;09;07
Sarah
I thought of Aussie Mandy as do Osmond. Osmond But most commonly. Osborne?

00;21;09;07 - 00;21;11;02
Mark
Osborne Yeah, that that works too.

00;21;11;04 - 00;21;25;08
Sarah
But Ozzy Osborne isn't named as Osborne does know. It's like Jimmy or something. Yeah, Teeny says that It's like the 4th of July and you're like, American. She's American.

00;21;25;09 - 00;21;28;00
Mark
She's. They're Americans. Americans, by the way.

00;21;28;00 - 00;21;31;29
Sarah
Americans, because we celebrate 4th of July and Canadians don't.

00;21;31;29 - 00;21;35;01
Mark
I have in my notes 1st of July, Americans.

00;21;35;29 - 00;21;37;21
Sarah
Well, then Aussie lets us know that.

00;21;37;26 - 00;21;39;19
Mark
They're from Athens, Georgia.

00;21;39;19 - 00;21;40;22
Sarah
Yeah, not Greece.

00;21;40;22 - 00;21;43;27
Mark
Well, Athens, Georgia holds a special place in my heart. But we'll get.

00;21;43;27 - 00;21;44;26
Sarah
To for music.

00;21;44;27 - 00;21;55;00
Mark
Yeah. So? So then George gets the weird request and we'll deal with the request. Then we'll deal with the paperwork is, Oh, boy, the paper. And then gets the.

00;21;55;00 - 00;21;55;23
Sarah
Address.

00;21;55;24 - 00;21;59;14
Mark
And we'll deal with what the request ends up giving. Address.

00;21;59;14 - 00;22;06;10
Sarah
We already got a dress for Fanny. No, I need a dress for myself. Yeah, he says. Oh, are you tired of the jacket and trousers, sir?

00;22;06;10 - 00;22;08;05
Mark
So little drag joke right there.

00;22;08;06 - 00;22;23;22
Sarah
I love that. So I like that they have that relationship that it's very clear that Crabtree respects Murdoch a lot from the get go. He learns from him. He asks his advice on all kinds of things, but they're still able to joke around with each other.

00;22;23;22 - 00;22;34;00
Mark
They're still able to joke around. And later on and this is not a spoiler, George's view of the world. I get scared that he may not share with everybody.

00;22;34;04 - 00;22;35;14
Sarah
He has some different.

00;22;35;15 - 00;22;37;06
Mark
We'll see in The Martian.

00;22;37;19 - 00;22;40;19
Sarah
Yes, we like to talk.

00;22;40;19 - 00;22;46;16
Mark
Newspapers need another big yes and another. It's not a big write another either.

00;22;46;20 - 00;22;50;22
Sarah
Big and yeah, not just a liver this time. Yeah. The whole pig.

00;22;50;24 - 00;22;51;27
Mark
The pig.

00;22;51;27 - 00;22;54;11
Sarah
And we might need a T-shirt that will fit him.

00;22;54;11 - 00;22;54;23
Both
Yes.

00;22;54;27 - 00;22;58;11
Sarah
Or maybe he comes from the butcher in a t shirt for his own modesty.

00;22;58;19 - 00;23;04;16
Mark
But the the reminder post I put out for this episode, I'll have Crabtree in the draft.

00;23;04;25 - 00;23;06;00
Both
And he's very attached.

00;23;06;28 - 00;23;21;29
Sarah
It's got to be a white dress. Where did Crabtree go to get it? It's got to be second hand, right? It has to be. He would have gone to a second hand shop and said, Give me your cheapest white dress. Yes. And like, Oh, are you getting married, sir? It's just for your lady. No, it's for a pig.

00;23;22;04 - 00;23;23;23
Sarah
No, wait a minute. I got to wear.

00;23;23;24 - 00;23;25;29
Mark
I Never mind. I get to shoot a pig.

00;23;26;00 - 00;23;27;11
Sarah
It's for blood spatter.

00;23;27;17 - 00;23;36;23
Mark
Okay, then the entire episode stops for both because there's a newspaper. Wow.

00;23;36;23 - 00;23;47;27
Sarah
It's got the front page story about Amos being killed and Cheney being arrested. And then it's got this photo of Amos with this mystery blond lady on is who was the mystery blond?

00;23;48;06 - 00;23;54;27
Mark
I don't know. I went back and looked in the notes and everything. I couldn't figure out who that woman was.

00;23;54;27 - 00;23;59;09
Sarah
Woman on lap. And who is she? Is that is her whole role is to be in that photo.

00;23;59;09 - 00;24;05;04
Mark
And then I started to read the other stories newspaper and oh.

00;24;05;18 - 00;24;07;24
Both
Boy.

00;24;07;24 - 00;24;09;27
Mark
So you did more research into this?

00;24;09;27 - 00;24;11;09
Sarah
Oh, so. Oh, yeah.

00;24;11;09 - 00;24;18;05
Mark
So what what is what is in the other stories in the newspaper? There's one about hooligans.

00;24;18;05 - 00;24;37;06
Sarah
Yeah. A lot of the text looks like. Like it was just in the newspaper already. And when they marked this one up, they like superimposed their story on top of it. Yeah. There's even a story about, like. Or it's an ad about silks. Yeah. And it's kind of cut off when you can see that they put it over it.

00;24;37;06 - 00;24;56;19
Sarah
And we will post this in the show notes, these screenshots of the newspaper, so you guys can see this. But it's amazing, right? Yeah. So I'm looking at this screenshot that I took and it's the one that has the picture of the whole group in the bar and above it. And to the left of it there's text that you can easily read and so I'm, I'm, I'm reading this.

00;24;56;21 - 00;25;02;20
Mark
It's the story of Miss Ida. Lisa DAVIES of 146 King Street.

00;25;03;00 - 00;25;15;01
Sarah
Yes. And there's this thing about rats and like peasants and what what is that? So I started just Googling whole phrases from it. Yeah.

00;25;15;01 - 00;25;21;05
Mark
I didn't even look up. 146 King Street East because it's a I'm sure it's a giant, tall building.

00;25;21;05 - 00;25;21;20
Sarah
Yeah.

00;25;21;24 - 00;25;23;15
Mark
This King Street is full of tall.

00;25;23;15 - 00;25;48;15
Sarah
Buildings, so. So I started looking for any terms in there that were unique or whole phrases I could Google. And I found the exact text that is on that paper that they put the news story on top of and then made their own copy of it. So what they did was they took an issue of the Toronto Globe from November 15th, 1888.

00;25;48;20 - 00;25;50;11
Mark
Oh oh.

00;25;50;12 - 00;25;58;01
Sarah
And that story is about Nicholas Vassily. Okay. Also known as the Russian Ripper.

00;25;58;02 - 00;25;58;20
Mark
Oh.

00;25;59;04 - 00;26;09;27
Sarah
Who is suspected of being Jack the Ripper sequential killer? He killed a bunch of people in Russia and then took off for London just as the killing started in London.

00;26;09;27 - 00;26;14;19
Mark
And then he came to Toronto. This is a plot from a future. You know, we're not.

00;26;15;02 - 00;26;35;19
Sarah
Sure about that now. It's difficult to tell. I don't know why the Toronto newspapers were so infatuated with him, but there were lots of stories about him in the Toronto newspapers. I don't know why. Okay, maybe somebody can tell us. Maybe. But I was like, Hot diggity dog. I found the I mean, like, I found the front page of that newspaper.

00;26;35;19 - 00;26;35;28
Sarah
Yep.

00;26;36;11 - 00;26;37;05
Mark
Sweet.

00;26;37;25 - 00;26;44;21
Sarah
And I really doubt the person who was responsible for mocking up that fake newspaper, paid that much attention to the story.

00;26;44;22 - 00;26;45;22
Mark
Anyone would look.

00;26;45;22 - 00;27;17;24
Sarah
It. Yeah, they're just looking at it going, Okay, is there. Is there a story I can completely replace? Like, can I can just chunk in you know, our story on the front cover and it will look like it fits. And they did a great job of that. But the story around it is sensational because this guy was like, well, to do a guy who was rejected by his family because he became a religious zealot with this movement called the Sean, who completely rejected all like physical luxuries or pleasures and shave their heads.

00;27;18;03 - 00;27;33;26
Sarah
And then he went around Russia threatening women with knives until they, like, swear their fealty to God. And if they did, he wouldn't kill them. But if they didn't, he, like, slaughtered them. And I mean, he has some mouth. Wow. And then he just left the country. He was never caught.

00;27;34;05 - 00;27;38;22
Mark
Wow. And what does he have to do with that, at least? DAVIES We're not sure.

00;27;39;00 - 00;27;48;16
Sarah
You can read the whole story if you want to post the link postal link, because I found the full text of the 1888 Toronto Globe story. You can read the whole thing, baby.

00;27;48;17 - 00;27;51;01
Mark
That's the kind of me here we are.

00;27;51;01 - 00;27;56;06
Sarah
But I was amazed. I'm like, This is a juicier story than the story the newspaper is supposed to be about.

00;27;56;06 - 00;27;58;08
Mark
Meanwhile, I'm still wondering who is this born.

00;27;58;17 - 00;27;59;05
Both
On his lap?

00;28;00;26 - 00;28;09;24
Mark
And then I see. Well, two things happened. One, I notice that Murdoch has cleaned up his office. It's much easier now. It's good. I'm much better with it now.

00;28;09;28 - 00;28;10;28
Sarah
Yeah, it's safer.

00;28;11;07 - 00;28;35;10
Mark
Number two, his blackboard, which he is going through what is called the auto loan system, BRT. I alone. It is a system consisting of five initial measures head length, head breadth, length, a middle finger, length of left foot and length of cubit, which is fingertip, longest fingertip to elbow.

00;28;35;12 - 00;28;37;14
Sarah
Okay, That's a cubit.

00;28;37;15 - 00;29;06;18
Mark
Yes, that's a cubit. Along these measures, he also used the first photography known as mug shot to complete his system of record. It was a way in which they could say, this is the guy who did the thing we already caught him for. Yeah, because you're dealing, okay, You have criminals who, even in this particular time a criminal, criminals from Toronto to Montreal say that's a five, six hour train ride.

00;29;06;18 - 00;29;12;03
Mark
Yeah, they would be like, We have no idea who you are.

00;29;12;03 - 00;29;20;08
Sarah
And everybody was just like, an average guy. Like, yeah, he's average height. He has average color hair. He's got, you know, brown eyes, whatever.

00;29;20;09 - 00;29;26;10
Mark
Due to law, we have no idea who. Yeah, that's the worst of all time, by the way.

00;29;26;10 - 00;29;27;12
Both
I love it, though.

00;29;27;24 - 00;29;33;00
Sarah
It's better than mine, mind. Oh, that's all I can do. That's my French accent. Baguette.

00;29;33;00 - 00;29;35;29
Both
Oh, Sylvie.

00;29;37;01 - 00;29;41;15
Mark
But this is a way in which they could share information. You can't just stations.

00;29;41;16 - 00;29;55;26
Sarah
Better than that, though. It was a database. Yeah, because it meant, unlike fingerprints, that you could quickly categorize people. I want all of the people whose qubits are this size. Yeah, give me all of those. Yes, Right.

00;29;56;01 - 00;29;57;21
Mark
So you could quickly see those.

00;29;57;21 - 00;30;21;03
Sarah
Yeah, We know his foot fence. This footprint is this length. So give me just the criminals who have committed a violent crime, whose feet are that length. Right. So it was you could they couldn't classify fingerprints that way. Yeah. They're all just swirly bits right. Until later when they started to like name common traits of fingerprints and but this is that's this is way too early for that.

00;30;21;03 - 00;30;28;04
Mark
And really is the beginnings of scientific stuff in criminology.

00;30;28;07 - 00;30;30;29
Sarah
Yeah but it wasn't good. It really didn't work.

00;30;31;17 - 00;30;47;23
Mark
Because it worked better than you thought it would. Yeah. Especially the things that we still have, which are the mug shots. I love the Wikipedia page and I'll send I'll put the link in the show notes. The Wikipedia page has Bertoli Berlin's mugshot in it that he took of himself.

00;30;47;23 - 00;30;59;20
Sarah
Yeah, the reason why I say it doesn't work is that it only lets you identify criminals you've already caught. Yes, right. It doesn't help you identify somebody who's never been arrested.

00;30;59;21 - 00;31;01;02
Mark
It also doesn't help.

00;31;01;07 - 00;31;03;23
Sarah
Because it's not the kind of measurement that you can eyeball.

00;31;03;29 - 00;31;08;19
Mark
It also doesn't help with people who are younger and change over time.

00;31;08;19 - 00;31;21;03
Sarah
Yes. So that's a that's a lesson commit crimes before you're fully grown and then you're fine or where really tight shoes when you commit your crimes and pull your arms up into your sleeve so they look shorter.

00;31;21;04 - 00;31;22;28
Mark
Yes. So I think.

00;31;23;03 - 00;31;24;07
Sarah
And you'll never get caught.

00;31;24;08 - 00;31;27;07
Mark
What Murdoch is doing here is evaluating this method.

00;31;27;07 - 00;31;33;06
Sarah
Yeah. So you think that his handwriting is Yannick Besson's handwriting. So do you think they made him fill out that whole chalkboard?

00;31;33;08 - 00;31;39;22
Mark
Oh, I think they did. And I think Yanick was on was like, I have to get into character, so I'm going to fill out this entire chalkboard.

00;31;39;26 - 00;31;40;11
Sarah
Wow.

00;31;40;11 - 00;31;41;03
Mark
So a lot.

00;31;41;07 - 00;31;42;12
Sarah
It is quite a bit.

00;31;42;16 - 00;31;49;29
Mark
Then back and read. See is they hang people. Yeah. And I'm often another the whole adventure.

00;31;50;14 - 00;32;14;16
Sarah
Because Fanny's actually the accusation against Fanny for murdering her husband is serious because if, if she did do it, they, they caught her literally red handed red dressed with the weapon right over him. And she's convicted. She is certainly getting the death penalty right. She can't plead insanity or self-defense or anything like that. She's going to be full on guilty, right?

00;32;14;18 - 00;32;21;14
Sarah
Yeah. And they have capital punishment. Then they do. They hang people. They do. Okay. We talked about that last time.

00;32;21;15 - 00;32;22;03
Mark
So how.

00;32;22;10 - 00;32;22;20
Sarah
Many.

00;32;22;20 - 00;32;25;28
Mark
Canadians do you think were hung in 19?

00;32;25;28 - 00;32;27;10
Sarah
You mean hanged? Hung.

00;32;27;13 - 00;32;29;21
Mark
Hanged in 1895.

00;32;30;01 - 00;32;31;10
Sarah
In 1895.

00;32;31;14 - 00;32;32;06
Mark
In 95.

00;32;32;06 - 00;32;33;10
Sarah
All across Canada.

00;32;33;10 - 00;32;34;24
Mark
All across Canada.

00;32;34;24 - 00;32;35;26
Sarah
25 oh.

00;32;35;26 - 00;32;36;15
Mark
Three.

00;32;36;15 - 00;32;38;14
Both
Wow.

00;32;38;14 - 00;32;46;16
Mark
Louis, Victor, Amadi, de S.L. and John a Hendershot Men. All three.

00;32;46;16 - 00;32;47;08
Sarah
Men. Okay.

00;32;47;12 - 00;32;51;13
Mark
Okay. In 94, there were four men also.

00;32;51;26 - 00;32;55;19
Sarah
And between 85 and 94, there were no no one was hanged.

00;32;55;19 - 00;33;09;14
Mark
No, no, no, no, no. 94 there were three. There were four and 95. There were three. Okay. I did also notice there is, by the way, there's a list of people who have been executed in Canada, much shorter, less than.

00;33;10;00 - 00;33;13;07
Sarah
In the US, of course. Now, any women?

00;33;13;08 - 00;33;23;15
Mark
Well, I'll get two women is okay. There's another interesting one on December 14th, 1893, which is like, Hey, let's go outside where it's freezing cold.

00;33;23;28 - 00;33;25;03
Sarah
And hang somebody.

00;33;25;05 - 00;33;41;28
Mark
Ten days before Christmas and hey, you know, seasonal in Brockville, where my brother lives right now, and he was killed. He was executed. Charles Sandford Lucky because he murdered his parents and his sister.

00;33;42;02 - 00;33;43;04
Sarah
Wow.

00;33;43;04 - 00;33;52;04
Mark
Yeah, he got out of jail and he didn't like them. I think there was some idea that they maybe told on him and he went burn down the house and killed three.

00;33;52;04 - 00;33;56;28
Sarah
People in inches. Get fires? Yes, I guess so.

00;33;56;28 - 00;34;12;20
Mark
In the entirety of execution in Canada, which runs from 1754 to 1953, that's for women. How many women do you think have been killed by the government of Canada? 1013.

00;34;12;21 - 00;34;13;03
Sarah
Wow.

00;34;13;06 - 00;34;26;00
Mark
The last one. When do you think it was? Now, this is a game we play on this podcast. The most famous version of it was when did they stop guilty people? And the answer was in my lifetime, which was frightening.

00;34;26;00 - 00;34;31;24
Sarah
Yeah. The last woman hanged in Canada was in 1935.

00;34;32;03 - 00;34;34;00
Mark
1953.

00;34;34;01 - 00;34;34;23
Sarah
Wow.

00;34;34;25 - 00;34;46;14
Mark
Her. Her lover and her accomplice were hung because they blew up a plane with 19 other people in it to kill her lovers wife.

00;34;46;18 - 00;34;53;04
Sarah
That's overkill. Can you be more strategic than that? You could poison her or something.

00;34;53;05 - 00;34;56;16
Mark
They wanted to blow up the plane, so that it would look.

00;34;56;16 - 00;34;57;10
Sarah
Like an accident.

00;34;57;10 - 00;35;05;25
Mark
Look like an accident? It was supposedly supposed to blow up over water. It didn't dynamite in the plane like, boom, baby.

00;35;05;25 - 00;35;06;05
Sarah
That's.

00;35;06;05 - 00;35;06;24
Mark
Awful.

00;35;06;25 - 00;35;11;14
Sarah
Yeah. I mean, it's awful to kill one person. It's really awful to take 18 more people down with her.

00;35;11;14 - 00;35;13;21
Mark
Yeah. Marguerite Pierre, after.

00;35;13;24 - 00;35;15;13
Sarah
She was dead back.

00;35;15;15 - 00;35;18;03
Mark
Yes, that was. It was. Absolutely.

00;35;18;03 - 00;35;20;07
Sarah
That's such a backward thing to do.

00;35;20;07 - 00;35;21;05
Mark
Yeah. And she.

00;35;21;05 - 00;35;22;06
Both
Just. Wow.

00;35;22;09 - 00;35;33;06
Mark
Not she. She was put to death on January 9th again. Why are we doing it in the middle of winter, 1953, in the Bordeaux prison in Montreal?

00;35;33;06 - 00;35;37;20
Sarah
You know, you got to punish people and it's time to punish them. You can't say, Well, we're going to wait till the weather's nice.

00;35;37;20 - 00;35;40;20
Mark
Canadian Pacific Airlines Flight 108.

00;35;40;22 - 00;35;42;13
Sarah
Wow, That's crazy.

00;35;42;13 - 00;35;49;10
Mark
I know. I need to do more research on this because it sounds like a completely fascinating story.

00;35;49;17 - 00;35;50;15
Sarah
Speaking of this.

00;35;50;27 - 00;36;05;22
Mark
This all comes from a book called Uncertain Justice Canadian Women and Capital Punishment 1754 to 1953 by Murray Greenwood, emeritus professor of history at the University of British Columbia, Independent Scholar. Super interesting.

00;36;05;22 - 00;36;10;25
Sarah
That is interesting. Yeah. Speaking of snitches get sketches, you know, I'll get stitches. Bob Sullivan.

00;36;10;25 - 00;36;12;27
Mark
Bob Sullivan, get some stitches.

00;36;12;28 - 00;36;23;17
Sarah
The worst stitches since the last episode, which were the autopsy. Stitches? Yes. His stitches are like five inches long, like hanging off his face.

00;36;23;17 - 00;36;25;07
Mark
They are not good.

00;36;25;13 - 00;36;28;10
Sarah
Like, they're going to snag a sweater when he puts them on.

00;36;28;19 - 00;36;35;14
Mark
And I keep going, Oh, my God, Those stitches are bad. But those posters are out of focus. Can you please put them into focus?

00;36;36;14 - 00;36;40;13
Sarah
He's a non character. He is. He's just the guy who loses.

00;36;40;13 - 00;36;48;07
Mark
The most interesting scene is of that is the if you send in ten bucks tops or proof of purchases from tobacco, you get a picture.

00;36;48;27 - 00;36;54;09
Sarah
They don't even show him punch. AMOS Later in the nose. No, he just. He just useless.

00;36;54;12 - 00;36;59;09
Mark
Yeah. So after we deal with Sullivan, we have George in the dress, snug in the bosom.

00;36;59;19 - 00;37;06;18
Sarah
It's not. It's not on his shoulders. It's not George in the dress. It's George the dress and the pig.

00;37;07;01 - 00;37;07;18
Both
And.

00;37;08;04 - 00;37;10;06
Mark
The ability to shoot the pig.

00;37;10;09 - 00;37;13;22
Sarah
I feel bad for him, Bob Crabtree.

00;37;13;22 - 00;37;15;17
Mark
There's no soul in the pig.

00;37;15;27 - 00;37;18;06
Sarah
Sir. Do you think pigs have souls?

00;37;18;08 - 00;37;19;14
Both
Just shoot to pay.

00;37;20;16 - 00;37;22;26
Sarah
Poor pig. Do you think that's real pig?

00;37;23;21 - 00;37;24;25
Mark
Yeah, I think it's real.

00;37;24;26 - 00;37;32;05
Sarah
It looks like a real pig if it's not. Good job props. Yeah, because it looks like a real pig. A real dead pig.

00;37;32;05 - 00;37;37;19
Mark
When do you think blood splatter was used or thought to be used in forensic science?

00;37;37;20 - 00;37;40;07
Sarah
Like, when was it first admissible as evidence or something?

00;37;40;07 - 00;37;41;17
Mark
That's two different questions.

00;37;41;22 - 00;37;45;20
Sarah
I don't know. You tell me. So the question really badly today, the.

00;37;45;20 - 00;38;08;17
Mark
First study of blood spatters titled Concerning the Origins of Sea of Shape, Direction and distribution of blood stains following head wounds caused by Blows. That's quite the title published in 1895 by Dr. Edward Porter Roski of the University of Krakow in Poland.

00;38;08;17 - 00;38;09;18
Sarah
Also an.

00;38;09;18 - 00;38;21;05
Mark
Early research influenced pioneering investigators of the 20th century Germany and France, including Dr. Paul GERRISH Rich and Dr. Victor Bob Bussard.

00;38;22;03 - 00;38;22;13
Both
Ball.

00;38;22;13 - 00;38;23;09
Mark
Pazar.

00;38;23;20 - 00;38;25;24
Sarah
Balthasar, Balthasar.

00;38;25;24 - 00;38;30;19
Mark
DHL, T.H., A.Z., R.D., Balthasar.

00;38;30;20 - 00;38;37;00
Sarah
And William Murdock. Obviously, because he's been reading up apparently not the newest research not.

00;38;37;00 - 00;38;42;06
Mark
Used in court in the United States till 1955.

00;38;42;29 - 00;38;45;06
Sarah
We don't do a lot of head bludgeoning.

00;38;45;06 - 00;38;49;08
Both
Wow. Works.

00;38;49;08 - 00;38;58;00
Sarah
And that's all about castoff anyway. Not spatter. Wow. When you swing a ball, bat or ham or, you know.

00;38;58;00 - 00;39;08;21
Mark
There's a really good HowStuffWorks article about blood spatter analysis, and I'll put that in the show notes. Now we go to see the Cutlers, and at first were introduced.

00;39;08;25 - 00;39;09;02
Sarah
To.

00;39;09;02 - 00;39;10;29
Mark
Margaret Margaret Cutler.

00;39;11;00 - 00;39;23;25
Sarah
Who is like the thumbnail for this episode everywhere her in her little sunglasses. Yeah she's the star of the show. Yes. And she serves one purpose, and that is to make Murdoch really uncomfortable. That's all she's.

00;39;23;25 - 00;39;27;27
Mark
For. Okay, I have a question because she's clearly a stereotype.

00;39;28;07 - 00;39;30;13
Sarah
Oh, she's so French. That's why she's so deviant.

00;39;30;27 - 00;39;33;21
Mark
Does this work? If she's not French?

00;39;33;23 - 00;39;36;03
Sarah
Sure. She could be American and deviant.

00;39;36;06 - 00;39;37;08
Mark
Yeah, she could be.

00;39;37;08 - 00;39;42;25
Sarah
But I think then she would be smarmy. Since she's French and deviant, it makes her sophisticated.

00;39;43;02 - 00;39;50;02
Mark
And this is through the entire history of Murdoch. You've got a French woman. She's sexual deviant. Yeah.

00;39;50;06 - 00;39;53;04
Sarah
Not okay. Promiscuous, uncomfortable to.

00;39;53;04 - 00;39;57;18
Mark
Murdoch, a governor. Their relationship appears to be okay. Okay.

00;39;58;13 - 00;39;59;04
Sarah
It's their business.

00;39;59;04 - 00;39;59;26
Mark
Their business.

00;39;59;26 - 00;40;06;10
Sarah
She's not hurting anybody. No, but the fact that she purposely makes Murdoch uncomfortable.

00;40;06;10 - 00;40;07;20
Mark
Oh, she gets off on that.

00;40;07;20 - 00;40;08;22
Sarah
Makes her bad.

00;40;08;26 - 00;40;10;26
Mark
Yeah, she gets off on making, like.

00;40;10;26 - 00;40;21;21
Sarah
What you do is your business. But if you if you flaunt it in front of somebody who clearly is uncomfortable with it and you don't need to, they're not trying to repress you, then you don't do that.

00;40;21;21 - 00;40;25;20
Mark
And I think the Helene, a joy character in the movies, is kind of like this, too.

00;40;25;22 - 00;40;31;15
Sarah
Yeah, but no, she she of the very cool sunglasses is necessary.

00;40;31;15 - 00;40;37;00
Mark
She has fantastic sunglasses. Yeah, they are Bram Stoker's Dracula.

00;40;37;10 - 00;40;39;15
Both
Dracula gases. Yes.

00;40;39;19 - 00;40;41;15
Sarah
So would you like to go for a swing?

00;40;42;19 - 00;40;44;22
Mark
Swing? Did you say swing.

00;40;45;03 - 00;40;56;21
Sarah
Swing or do you know what that means? Oh, anyway, Bad French. Yeah. Oh, Cutler says to Murdoch. He says, What do you make? Like $400 a year give or take?

00;40;56;24 - 00;40;57;03
Mark
Yeah.

00;40;57;07 - 00;41;06;00
Sarah
I make 200 times that. Yeah. Which means that he makes $80,000 a year. Yes. Which in 1895. Where do you think that would be worth today.

00;41;06;00 - 00;41;07;03
Mark
Two and a half million.

00;41;07;04 - 00;41;08;12
Sarah
Yeah. Well 2.8.

00;41;08;15 - 00;41;10;01
Mark
Oh yeah. I was pretty good.

00;41;10;02 - 00;41;27;26
Sarah
That's pretty close. Yeah. Yeah. So he can afford to lose two grand on a bet. It's not really a big deal to him. Yeah, okay. His whole. The whole purpose of him is to be snobby and throw money around. Yes. And refer to Amos like some kind of object person. Yes. And that's all they're important for?

00;41;27;26 - 00;41;29;01
Mark
Yes, that's all. They're.

00;41;29;01 - 00;41;30;19
Sarah
They're. They have a really cool house.

00;41;30;22 - 00;41;31;08
Mark
Yes.

00;41;31;12 - 00;41;32;25
Sarah
From the outside, they're awesome.

00;41;32;25 - 00;41;41;16
Mark
Their house is gorgeous. And we see their house again in other episodes. Yeah. And they're outside playing croquet, which is again, shorthand for rich people who don't.

00;41;41;16 - 00;41;47;23
Sarah
Work where they need to find things to fill their time. Yes. Like wearing little glasses and playing croquet.

00;41;47;24 - 00;41;50;13
Mark
People who work work in them work, though.

00;41;51;03 - 00;41;57;10
Sarah
Like Julia and her man, the man who's always in the back is always free of the ripped armpit.

00;41;57;16 - 00;41;57;26
Both
Yeah.

00;41;59;17 - 00;42;01;01
Sarah
But job is to look busy.

00;42;01;01 - 00;42;02;22
Mark
Amos does a good dead body here.

00;42;02;26 - 00;42;15;06
Sarah
He does. But we don't really get see much close up. She doesn't, like, pull his arm out from under the sheet and go look at this arm. It so. Ooh, la la. Yes. Now I'm stuck in French. Get go give me unstuck.

00;42;15;07 - 00;42;19;02
Mark
I would say that Murdoch would have read Darwin.

00;42;19;06 - 00;42;20;07
Sarah
Oh of course.

00;42;20;07 - 00;42;21;25
Mark
So because it kind.

00;42;21;25 - 00;42;29;20
Sarah
Of he's not asking about the science, he's saying oh do you only like muscular men. Yeah. Hugh and I want you to like me.

00;42;29;20 - 00;42;31;27
Mark
There's a subtext here.

00;42;31;27 - 00;42;45;08
Sarah
And she knows that. Yes. Speaking in Darwin now? Yes. The desk clerk says that the scream that when Fanny screamed because she found Amos, made the hair on the back of his neck. Stand up? Yes. Do you know why that happens?

00;42;45;08 - 00;42;46;08
Mark
Well, okay.

00;42;46;26 - 00;42;48;17
Sarah
Because it happens to you too, right? Yeah.

00;42;48;17 - 00;42;48;26
Mark
Happened.

00;42;48;26 - 00;42;50;22
Sarah
We need to get sheared animals.

00;42;50;22 - 00;42;56;26
Mark
Yeah, right. They get their hackles up. Yeah, certainly. All of our. Oh, my gosh. There's something in the back yard.

00;42;56;26 - 00;43;00;15
Sarah
She looks like a ridgeback hog when she gets upset.

00;43;00;27 - 00;43;02;03
Mark
Which is usually like a little.

00;43;02;03 - 00;43;03;12
Sarah
Mohawk down her back.

00;43;03;13 - 00;43;04;19
Mark
The wind? Yes.

00;43;05;02 - 00;43;06;14
Both
A leaf moved a little bit.

00;43;06;24 - 00;43;15;10
Mark
I don't know. Well, I like that has to be I would say it's a secondary trait that happens because something else has happened.

00;43;15;11 - 00;43;17;04
Sarah
Okay. You can call it that if you want to.

00;43;17;05 - 00;43;17;18
Mark
Okay.

00;43;17;20 - 00;43;19;11
Sarah
It's actually called her appellation.

00;43;19;11 - 00;43;20;11
Mark
Her appellation.

00;43;20;12 - 00;43;21;16
Sarah
Or appellation.

00;43;21;16 - 00;43;24;18
Mark
Quattro appellation.

00;43;24;18 - 00;43;26;17
Sarah
Our IP or or.

00;43;26;17 - 00;43;28;23
Mark
As the French would say, her up her place.

00;43;29;14 - 00;43;40;28
Sarah
Or appellation. It is when your hair stands on end because of boost of adrenaline that makes the tiny muscles of the base of your hair follicles tighten and it makes your hair stand on end. And it serves two purposes.

00;43;40;28 - 00;43;41;12
Mark
Okay.

00;43;41;13 - 00;43;58;13
Sarah
It happens when you're cold, right? Yes. And the reason why it happens when you're cold is when that used to be a monkey and you were really hairy. Having your hair stand up on end would create a layer of air next to your skin that would be good for insulation. But it happens when you're scared too. Also because of adrenaline.

00;43;58;24 - 00;44;01;13
Sarah
And the benefit of that is it makes you look bigger.

00;44;01;18 - 00;44;03;22
Mark
Oh, that makes sense.

00;44;03;22 - 00;44;05;25
Sarah
Because not so much now.

00;44;05;28 - 00;44;08;05
Mark
No, no, no, no. It doesn't make sense.

00;44;08;05 - 00;44;10;29
Sarah
Oh, your neck looks giant. I'm very scared of you.

00;44;11;00 - 00;44;18;03
Mark
And it doesn't make sense to humans. Now, but like, all of is clearly trying to make yourself look bigger. Right at work?

00;44;18;06 - 00;44;23;19
Sarah
Yeah. Yeah. Because your hair stands up on end. It's usually usually flat. Yeah. And she looks.

00;44;23;19 - 00;44;24;06
Both
Puffy.

00;44;25;23 - 00;44;26;09
Sarah
Bigger.

00;44;26;25 - 00;44;27;22
Mark
Mostly.

00;44;27;24 - 00;44;39;06
Sarah
Yeah. And it's especially useful around the back of your neck and in your shoulders because if you think of an animal typically on all fours, but even like a bear, when they stand up, they do it and it, it makes them look bulkier.

00;44;39;07 - 00;44;50;00
Mark
I wonder if they're more threatening. I wonder if that's why some cuts. Subconsciously, we see Mohawk haircuts as tougher, like your hair standing up as tougher.

00;44;50;02 - 00;44;52;26
Sarah
Okay, if that was true, then bouffant would be scary too.

00;44;52;27 - 00;44;53;17
Mark
That's true.

00;44;53;28 - 00;44;54;29
Sarah
So, beehive.

00;44;55;02 - 00;44;57;07
Mark
Oh, really? I have no idea why.

00;44;57;21 - 00;45;09;25
Sarah
But it was an interesting theory. Yes. We find out that the bullet that killed Amos had a light load. Yes. Some of the gunpowder has been taken out of it to make it quieter. This is the first time I've ever heard that of all of the.

00;45;09;25 - 00;45;10;07
Mark
Ever.

00;45;10;07 - 00;45;22;27
Sarah
Crime shows, ever. I looked it up. It's a real thing. It wasn't common. What was more common was people trying to doctor bullets that way. Yeah, or for other reasons. And blowing their hands off?

00;45;22;27 - 00;45;24;10
Mark
I would think so, yeah.

00;45;24;10 - 00;45;33;28
Sarah
And people who manufactured bullets, of course would never like load them because that would be cheap. Yeah. And the bullet itself wouldn't go very far. Yeah.

00;45;33;29 - 00;45;36;01
Mark
It seems weird you done shooting pigs.

00;45;37;10 - 00;45;58;06
Sarah
Now, and I was going to shoot barrels instead. Yeah. When Speaking of the pig shooting scene, though, I. I loved the little moment when Bracken Reed comes out, sees George with the blood on him, sees Murdoch measuring, sees the pig, and just tilts his head like a confused dog. Like, Huh, It's the first of many times he's going to do that.

00;45;58;08 - 00;45;58;15
Both
Yeah.

00;45;58;24 - 00;46;08;07
Sarah
Like, what are you doing? You happy, Daddy? Oh, just shooting pigs. We're all wearing dresses. It's okay. No, no bother.

00;46;08;14 - 00;46;12;14
Mark
Then the photographer shows up to give explanation and backstory.

00;46;12;14 - 00;46;13;05
Sarah
That's newsman.

00;46;13;05 - 00;46;22;18
Mark
Louis Newsman. George has found something. And though it eventually will be a cute little ferret, they've got to give up their dog.

00;46;22;19 - 00;46;28;20
Sarah
No, they found the blood. So they know that either Amos was killed in another place or somebody tracked the blood.

00;46;28;27 - 00;46;32;17
Mark
Well, what we need is Kate Henson's bitch.

00;46;32;17 - 00;46;33;11
Both
Wow.

00;46;34;08 - 00;46;34;21
Mark
I'm just.

00;46;34;29 - 00;46;36;21
Sarah
Don't talk about his wife like that.

00;46;36;27 - 00;46;46;11
Mark
Like Murdoch should look at him and do like one of his Murdoch face would be like George. Not that he would know what he meant, but, like, it's still c.

00;46;46;15 - 00;46;49;05
Sarah
It would be out of context for a second. Like you.

00;46;49;05 - 00;46;50;07
Both
Were thinking.

00;46;50;18 - 00;46;53;17
Sarah
We need a bloodhound. Yeah, but instead we get a ferret.

00;46;53;18 - 00;46;56;15
Mark
You get ferret and we get ferret. Cam.

00;46;57;22 - 00;47;02;29
Sarah
The ferret is so cute. Yes. I love when he goes up Murdock's pant leg, block him. So they're known.

00;47;02;29 - 00;47;15;20
Mark
To bite your sensitive pet. It's all just fun. It's all fun. I know this deals with race, but we're going to have a fair right. You said we got it.

00;47;15;20 - 00;47;23;21
Sarah
We got to balance it out. We got George in a dress, a pig ferret going up pant legs. He has his. The ferret has a little wicker basket.

00;47;23;23 - 00;47;24;29
Both
Yeah, he's a cute.

00;47;27;06 - 00;47;29;11
Sarah
And he does fun stuff. He goes under the bed.

00;47;29;12 - 00;47;33;12
Mark
Maybe you could do some art with the ferret, the pig and George in the dress.

00;47;33;12 - 00;47;38;04
Sarah
Oh, there you go. Maybe it could be wearing a little dress to.

00;47;38;04 - 00;47;39;04
Mark
This is not the queen.

00;47;39;04 - 00;47;45;19
Sarah
Go tell the poor desk clerk. So I got two glasses. That's what I got going. I don't know. You get off my case.

00;47;45;19 - 00;47;55;06
Mark
I don't know about anybody else. Okay but every Queens hotel that I've ever known or had any dealings with has been the worst place in the universe.

00;47;55;06 - 00;47;55;25
Sarah
Oh, really?

00;47;55;26 - 00;47;56;15
Mark
Oh, yeah.

00;47;56;27 - 00;47;59;12
Sarah
Is it like the Royal Hotel? Yeah. Yeah.

00;47;59;23 - 00;48;06;08
Mark
But this is the Prince Albert Hotel. Which. Which is? Do we see him again in the Prince of Wales episode?

00;48;06;08 - 00;48;09;21
Sarah
No, he plays a completely different character later. Sorry.

00;48;09;21 - 00;48;14;10
Mark
We have an unusual marriage. Oh, well, then you must be ridiculous.

00;48;16;04 - 00;48;25;06
Sarah
They're so okay. This is a pivotal question for me. Yes. Okay. Okay. It really defined how much worse I think about the Cutlers.

00;48;25;10 - 00;48;25;24
Mark
Yes.

00;48;25;25 - 00;48;29;11
Sarah
Bob Sullivan shows up Pops Imus in the nose.

00;48;29;11 - 00;48;29;20
Mark
Yep.

00;48;29;27 - 00;48;35;00
Sarah
Which makes his nose bleed. Yes. Then Mrs. Cutler tries to seduce him.

00;48;35;00 - 00;48;39;17
Mark
Well, he goes back to his room and I'm assuming they're waiting there for him.

00;48;39;17 - 00;48;43;00
Sarah
So she tries to seduce him while his face is bleeding.

00;48;43;00 - 00;48;43;19
Mark
Well.

00;48;43;27 - 00;48;45;06
Sarah
I'm sure you.

00;48;45;23 - 00;48;52;14
Mark
I'm sure he was trying to up and I wasn't there, so I don't know how it went on, but I.

00;48;52;14 - 00;48;55;15
Sarah
Don't think I'm going to hit on a guy whose face is bleeding.

00;48;55;18 - 00;48;56;29
Mark
Well, it doesn't work.

00;48;57;03 - 00;48;58;04
Sarah
Well, that's good.

00;48;58;05 - 00;49;00;18
Mark
And she kind of pouts and gives up.

00;49;01;02 - 00;49;07;19
Sarah
She was only doing it because her husband wanted to own this man and he didn't want to go for it.

00;49;07;20 - 00;49;20;08
Mark
Oh, darn. They're there. I think they walk a fine line here of the Cutlers have a weird marriage, but they're not horrible people. But he is a rich guy, so that makes him horrible.

00;49;20;08 - 00;49;36;25
Sarah
Yes. The fact that he wants to control Amos for his own benefit, to make money off of him. Yes. Not because he respects him as a human and as an athlete, but because he is a useful tool that, will make him money.

00;49;36;25 - 00;49;38;15
Mark
And he keeps saying, oh.

00;49;38;19 - 00;49;39;08
Sarah
Yes.

00;49;39;08 - 00;49;41;00
Mark
Which is very old and.

00;49;41;00 - 00;49;42;06
Both
Metaphorical. Yes.

00;49;42;24 - 00;49;48;23
Mark
Yeah. With a veil, much like George's white dress. Yeah. In that it's pretty see through.

00;49;48;23 - 00;50;15;28
Sarah
Yeah. I mean they don't, they don't say that like Ozzy Beers owns the contract like Amos has signed a contract and Ozzy is selling his contract to Cutler so that now Amos has to work for for Cutler. They don't say it that way. It's much more of a possession thing. Yeah. And Amos is not going for it because he bet on himself because he's smart, won the match, made a whole bunch of money because everybody was betting against him, because he was supposed to throw it.

00;50;16;06 - 00;50;26;23
Sarah
And now he's got all the money he needs to take Fanny away and start a real life together and not box anymore. Yeah, right. So, no, he's not going to go for this because he's got his own life and plan.

00;50;26;24 - 00;50;28;11
Mark
Well, I think he loves Danny.

00;50;28;11 - 00;50;29;09
Sarah
I think he does, too.

00;50;29;09 - 00;50;32;02
Mark
And not the blond woman in his lap.

00;50;32;04 - 00;50;35;10
Sarah
Nameless blond lady. I still love that blood tracking ferret.

00;50;35;25 - 00;50;39;23
Mark
Meanwhile, I'm like, Murdoch's board has changed back to what it was before.

00;50;40;04 - 00;50;40;21
Both
Yeah.

00;50;41;22 - 00;50;48;22
Mark
So he does this. He goes into Ozzy's room, and there's a nice shot here of multiple Murdochs.

00;50;48;22 - 00;50;52;00
Sarah
Yeah, because he's searching the room thoroughly over time.

00;50;52;00 - 00;51;01;09
Mark
Is Ozzy the worst criminal ever? No, because Murdoch finds everything he needs in this room.

00;51;01;09 - 00;51;06;03
Sarah
Yes. He finds the money, he finds the train tickets, he finds the button.

00;51;06;07 - 00;51;10;05
Mark
The grand truck. Railroad tickets? Yes, railroad tickets.

00;51;10;20 - 00;51;15;17
Sarah
I guess I was surprised that they had individual woodburning stoves in hotel rooms.

00;51;15;17 - 00;51;16;16
Mark
Well, I was surprised.

00;51;16;16 - 00;51;18;03
Sarah
I would have thought it would have been a fireplace.

00;51;18;03 - 00;51;24;13
Mark
They wouldn't have a train ticket from Toronto to San Francisco. They'd have a train ticket from Toronto to Detroit.

00;51;24;13 - 00;51;30;27
Sarah
Probably, and then from Detroit. Detroit somewhere. So yeah, maybe to Boulder and then Boulder, whatever.

00;51;30;27 - 00;51;31;13
Mark
Maybe.

00;51;31;14 - 00;51;51;03
Sarah
Yeah. I'm not going to say Ozzy is the worst criminal because he thinks he's doing the right thing. Yes, he sees that Amos cheats on Fanny, that he drinks, that he makes her sad, and he thinks he can do better for her. And so he's not a career criminal. So yeah, he's not very good at it. So he's not good at hiding the evidence.

00;51;51;05 - 00;51;57;02
Mark
This is the point in my notes where I go, Wait a minute, who owns the gun? What do you know? The killer?

00;51;57;03 - 00;51;58;07
Both
Mm hmm. Well, the.

00;51;58;07 - 00;52;08;11
Sarah
Whole time, like, from the moment they arrest Danny, I'm like, Ozzy did it. Yeah, Ozzy was there as he did it. They're like, who else could have been in the hotel? I don't know. How about Ozzy?

00;52;08;11 - 00;52;11;11
Mark
And then I thought that maybe he was protecting her.

00;52;11;11 - 00;52;12;10
Sarah
I never thought that.

00;52;12;10 - 00;52;22;00
Mark
No, Ozzy did it. He. He hopped the train going in New Brunswick. Okay. They got the direction right because Kingston is closer.

00;52;22;01 - 00;52;22;18
Sarah
Yeah.

00;52;22;20 - 00;52;30;02
Mark
To New Brunswick than Toronto. Yeah, they got their direction, right? Yeah, but like Kingston, the next stop.

00;52;30;02 - 00;52;43;04
Sarah
I know, but you would just get whatever you could, right? You just take the next available train. Yeah. And at first, you think Murdoch is being merciful when he says, you know, you could claim self-defense. Do you understand what I'm saying?

00;52;43;05 - 00;52;43;18
Mark
Oh, no.

00;52;43;18 - 00;52;47;22
Sarah
He's like, nudge, nudge, but he's absolutely tricking him.

00;52;47;22 - 00;53;09;04
Mark
Well, I think that's the point where I was like, is he covering up for her? But he clearly isn't. And then in the last scene, all hell breaks loose in terms of reality, because at no point in time would Murdoch give her that ticket, the giant wad of money or hug a black woman in the street in broad daylight?

00;53;09;05 - 00;53;12;14
Sarah
Maybe In reality he wouldn't, but in Murdoch world he would.

00;53;12;14 - 00;53;13;08
Mark
And Murdoch, that is.

00;53;13;08 - 00;53;14;25
Sarah
Absolutely what he would do.

00;53;14;25 - 00;53;17;21
Mark
And also, there's no poop on the street. I notice that also.

00;53;18;28 - 00;53;19;28
Sarah
Your poop Darwin's.

00;53;19;28 - 00;53;20;19
Mark
On. Yes.

00;53;21;00 - 00;53;23;29
Sarah
These aren't real horses, honey. They don't do. The puppets.

00;53;23;29 - 00;53;25;14
Both
Do.

00;53;25;14 - 00;53;26;07
Sarah
It's Murdoch's.

00;53;26;07 - 00;53;36;17
Mark
Do. Murdoch is forced to admit it's intuition. What you want to know? He clearly was not intuition. No, He saw the blood splatter in her dress and there's something wrong there.

00;53;36;17 - 00;53;51;12
Sarah
I think it's nice to say I knew all along he couldn't have done it. Yes. I never thought you could have done it even before I had the evidence, which kind of does. I mean, for most of the show they're trying to disprove it's her. Then prove it. Somebody else.

00;53;51;12 - 00;53;51;26
Mark
Yes.

00;53;51;27 - 00;53;53;21
Sarah
So it's really. Yeah.

00;53;53;22 - 00;53;59;15
Mark
Murdoch Gets in trouble later with all sorts of things. But I think he would get in trouble for giving her money.

00;54;00;20 - 00;54;04;18
Sarah
It was Amos's money and Amos has tickets. She's his widow.

00;54;04;24 - 00;54;06;26
Mark
I guess they're hers. Guess.

00;54;07;01 - 00;54;12;05
Sarah
And they've got a confession. I mean, I don't know why they would need them. I think she's right.

00;54;12;05 - 00;54;14;16
Mark
It just struck me as weird.

00;54;14;16 - 00;54;15;28
Sarah
They just Pander Avenue.

00;54;16;01 - 00;54;29;28
Mark
Looked at it from another point of view. It's a man in a suit handing a black woman money and tickets and then hugging her in the street, which at this time would appear out of Norm. Okay, that's all I'll.

00;54;29;28 - 00;54;35;07
Sarah
Give you that If you didn't know the rest of the story, if you were a bystander. But we're not.

00;54;35;15 - 00;54;37;17
Mark
That's cause I'm giving it to Amos.

00;54;37;17 - 00;54;39;09
Sarah
I think he really earned it.

00;54;39;10 - 00;54;42;03
Mark
Well, the pig is pretty.

00;54;42;03 - 00;54;44;06
Sarah
No, I'm taking it back. I'm giving it to the.

00;54;44;16 - 00;54;45;08
Mark
It to the bear.

00;54;45;08 - 00;54;46;23
Sarah
The pig is the best corpse.

00;54;47;06 - 00;54;49;12
Mark
And that blood splatter is pretty good.

00;54;49;12 - 00;54;50;14
Sarah
He wears a t shirt.

00;54;50;14 - 00;54;53;00
Mark
Yeah. I want to know why we.

00;54;53;00 - 00;54;53;24
Both
Put to teach.

00;54;54;19 - 00;54;55;14
Sarah
Modesty.

00;54;55;22 - 00;54;58;03
Mark
No. Do replicate the t shirt on, Amos.

00;54;58;03 - 00;55;07;19
Sarah
Yeah, and I think it would have been gutted, so it would have had a big, big slice, and that would have been unsightly. He's already bleeding out his flank.

00;55;07;19 - 00;55;27;18
Mark
George, shoot him. I got to tell you, folks, especially our new listeners and our new Murdoch people, of which nocturnal Druid is one of them, nocturnal Druid, one of our long time YouTube watchers who did point out the Don River was from the dawn in the UK and probably related to a goddess.

00;55;27;19 - 00;55;28;08
Sarah
Yes.

00;55;28;08 - 00;55;29;15
Mark
Yeah, absolutely.

00;55;29;16 - 00;55;31;16
Sarah
What does that have to do with the pig anyway?

00;55;33;10 - 00;55;39;10
Mark
Not every show in this series is big, really. You know, I think we've reached a big limit.

00;55;40;14 - 00;55;42;09
Sarah
No, because later on fly as a plane.

00;55;42;10 - 00;55;48;04
Mark
Yes. The painter flies the blade later. But that's not spoiling anything.

00;55;48;27 - 00;55;55;13
Sarah
In 20 seconds of the episode, after the credits, Franny gets to go and start her new life. Yeah.

00;55;55;23 - 00;55;59;07
Mark
I think she goes back to Athens, Georgia, somewhere.

00;55;59;07 - 00;56;16;05
Sarah
Yeah. Yeah. Bob sucks at boxing. Maybe he'll get another job. That would be good. The colors go on being rich and creepy. Ozzy's going to go to prison, at least, and the desk clerk keeps on making $0.18 an hour and being fabulous. Yeah, the. And are ready for horrible movies.

00;56;16;05 - 00;56;31;26
Mark
Now, Sarah, prep me this week on horrible movies saying that one of these people was in a movie with this other actress. And I said the name of this movie, and she said, Oh, I knew I couldn't show you that one.

00;56;31;26 - 00;56;44;28
Sarah
Yeah, I had three and I cut one. Yeah, right off the bat because I thought, Oh, I don't need three movies. Yeah. And the one I cut, I'm like, I bet he's seen that one. And it's called Rabid. Yeah. And you had seen it. You do it right away.

00;56;44;28 - 00;56;46;04
Mark
Instantly. I knew that.

00;56;46;04 - 00;56;47;25
Both
Movie. Wow.

00;56;48;07 - 00;56;48;22
Sarah
All right.

00;56;48;29 - 00;56;50;07
Mark
Okay. Two of them.

00;56;50;08 - 00;57;01;17
Sarah
Yes. Okay. The first one is from 1984. Yes. And Frank Moore is in it. He's the guy in this episode who plays Jeb Cutler. Everybody's known as husband of French creepy lady. Yes.

00;57;01;17 - 00;57;03;14
Mark
He's been in a lot of movies.

00;57;03;14 - 00;57;04;01
Sarah
A lot.

00;57;04;02 - 00;57;06;07
Mark
Yes. A lot of Canadian movies, too.

00;57;06;22 - 00;57;12;20
Sarah
The tagline of this film is you don't play it. It plays you until someone dies.

00;57;12;20 - 00;57;17;22
Mark
Okay, so it's this a killer object movie like the bad?

00;57;17;26 - 00;57;18;08
Sarah
No.

00;57;18;11 - 00;57;18;21
Mark
Okay.

00;57;18;24 - 00;57;20;20
Sarah
Are you ready for the summary note?

00;57;20;25 - 00;57;22;02
Mark
Yeah, Give me the summary.

00;57;22;03 - 00;57;40;28
Sarah
So the main character's job is to write computer games, but in her spare time, she hacks bank accounts. She has gathered $5 million and wants to retire to Brazil, unaware that her secret partner intends to keep all the money. Moreover, her boss has also found out about her doing and has hired villains to get a hold of the treasure.

00;57;41;08 - 00;57;52;27
Sarah
They kill her only to find out she's hidden the money and put the only clue in a computer game, leaving the only clue to that clue to her sister, who is a stewardess.

00;57;52;27 - 00;57;54;24
Mark
I'm going to ask you this question.

00;57;56;09 - 00;57;59;10
Both
Me? Me asking this question. Uh huh.

00;57;59;12 - 00;58;08;11
Mark
Does this movie star Whoopi Goldberg. No. Okay. It's not jumping jacks. No. Which roughly the same plot. No. Okay. Which I saw in the theater.

00;58;09;01 - 00;58;09;19
Both
Wow.

00;58;09;19 - 00;58;10;28
Mark
I don't know what this movie is.

00;58;10;28 - 00;58;16;23
Sarah
And Whoopi Goldberg doesn't get killed at the beginning of the movie and hide a clue inside a computer game.

00;58;16;23 - 00;58;18;02
Mark
No, no, she doesn't.

00;58;18;05 - 00;58;20;15
Sarah
You need to rewatch that movie if that's what you think happened.

00;58;20;15 - 00;58;25;23
Mark
No, I don't need to rewatch. I do not need to rewatch it.

00;58;25;23 - 00;58;29;13
Sarah
Do you know this movie? No, I don't. It is called Thrill Kill.

00;58;29;18 - 00;58;32;06
Mark
Thrill kill. Is this a Canadian movie?

00;58;32;06 - 00;58;34;06
Sarah
Yes. And that's the name of the game.

00;58;34;06 - 00;58;36;04
Mark
I have not seen this movie.

00;58;36;04 - 00;58;36;21
Sarah
I don't know.

00;58;36;26 - 00;58;38;27
Mark
For video games. Horror.

00;58;38;27 - 00;58;39;14
Sarah
Yeah.

00;58;39;14 - 00;58;45;12
Mark
Why? I can't believe I must off to at the box. I'm sure I've seen the box.

00;58;45;22 - 00;58;58;23
Sarah
You have to look at the box. Oh, that's one for me. Yes. All right. The second movie stars. Well, it includes three stars in it. Daniel Dat moore, who plays newsman Louis all newsman.

00;58;58;23 - 00;59;01;07
Mark
Lewis is in the starring role in this movie.

00;59;01;10 - 00;59;03;20
Sarah
This is from 1995, 1990.

00;59;03;21 - 00;59;06;27
Mark
He's gone up in the world. Well, no, I'm sorry. This is 20.

00;59;06;27 - 00;59;07;07
Sarah
Yeah.

00;59;07;19 - 00;59;08;09
Mark
95.

00;59;08;11 - 00;59;18;27
Sarah
This is pre Murdoch. Yes. Pre his big role as newsman Lewis and Murdoch. The tagline of the movie is it has a crush on you.

00;59;18;27 - 00;59;22;09
Both
It's so bad. It's really, really bad.

00;59;23;10 - 00;59;27;17
Mark
Is this movie about a rock that's alive? Oh, that's a good.

00;59;27;17 - 00;59;28;25
Sarah
Guess. So like a.

00;59;28;25 - 00;59;29;22
Mark
Boulder. Yeah.

00;59;30;12 - 00;59;32;13
Sarah
Killer boulder. No, it has.

00;59;32;13 - 00;59;34;26
Mark
A crush on you. How about, like, a.

00;59;34;29 - 00;59;43;09
Sarah
I'll give you a summary. Okay. After an accident, a laundry folding machine has been possessed all day long. This is. And now has a taste for human beings.

00;59;43;09 - 00;59;49;25
Mark
I know what this is. This movie is called The Mandalorian. Yes.

00;59;49;25 - 00;59;52;27
Sarah
Oh, it's based on a short story by Stephen King.

00;59;52;27 - 00;59;57;19
Mark
Which is why I could not wait for this movie to come out and saw it right away.

00;59;57;19 - 01;00;00;14
Sarah
It stars Robert Englund, who plays Freddy Krueger.

01;00;00;14 - 01;00;01;15
Mark
He's Freddy Krueger.

01;00;01;29 - 01;00;04;15
Sarah
And Ted Levine, who's Buffalo Bill.

01;00;05;04 - 01;00;06;17
Mark
Puts lotion on in school.

01;00;06;17 - 01;00;14;22
Sarah
But he's a good guy. And yes, he's a detective. Yeah. Yeah, I was reading the reviews. Yeah. And this is this. This is a quote.

01;00;14;22 - 01;00;16;11
Mark
Okay. It's a weird story.

01;00;16;11 - 01;00;19;01
Sarah
Yeah. Okay. It's about a laundry machine.

01;00;19;07 - 01;00;23;03
Mark
That kills people and becomes sentient at the end.

01;00;23;03 - 01;00;29;06
Sarah
Yeah, well, and from the screenshots, you think, Oh, people just fall into it because. Which is a big role.

01;00;29;06 - 01;00;30;11
Mark
Or what happened.

01;00;30;11 - 01;00;30;27
Sarah
Machine.

01;00;31;07 - 01;00;31;17
Mark
Early.

01;00;31;17 - 01;00;54;18
Sarah
On. Yeah, but then this review gives a little bit away the comedy of seeing a dry cleaning press, stomping through a building, trying to eat. People who managed to fall down at the right moment is what takes this movie from just poor and stupid to incredibly lame and silly. So the show is like, Wait a minute, it's a machine the size of a room and it starts walking around.

01;00;55;07 - 01;01;07;09
Mark
So the short story is great because it kind of goes through how it happens, how it becomes possessed. Right. And it's interesting because it's like Stephen King used to work in a in.

01;01;07;09 - 01;01;08;07
Sarah
A laundry.

01;01;08;11 - 01;01;13;00
Mark
Laundry. Like clearly this is a I was working, so I thought up this story.

01;01;13;00 - 01;01;15;12
Sarah
Yeah. What if somebody fell on it? What happened? Yeah.

01;01;15;14 - 01;01;29;04
Mark
And it has to do with a young woman's blood and all sorts of things, right? The end of the story is when the manga breaks loose, like Stephen King knew enough to go. I'm not going to go any further.

01;01;29;04 - 01;01;30;21
Sarah
But the movie, not so much.

01;01;30;21 - 01;01;32;05
Mark
The movie did not.

01;01;32;16 - 01;01;33;23
Sarah
Did not stop there.

01;01;33;23 - 01;01;42;08
Mark
And the short story is maybe ten pages. Yeah, we were like, How are they going to make a movie of this? We must go see this.

01;01;42;08 - 01;01;46;13
Sarah
They have it run down hallways and grab people who fall down.

01;01;46;13 - 01;01;47;28
Mark
Yes, I have seen the man.

01;01;48;01 - 01;01;57;12
Sarah
That's one for one. Good job. I'm impressed. It has a crush on you. You thought it was a movie about a killer boulder.

01;01;58;04 - 01;01;59;29
Mark
You said laundry machine. Yeah.

01;02;00;05 - 01;02;04;24
Sarah
You're really, really. All right. That's it for this week. What's next week?

01;02;04;24 - 01;02;16;23
Mark
Next week is episode number four, and oh, it is doozy. Word for treat because is episode for elementary. My dear Murdock.

01;02;17;00 - 01;02;18;29
Sarah
You don't even have to say anything. They know.

01;02;19;08 - 01;02;21;02
Mark
They know all.

01;02;21;02 - 01;02;23;04
Sarah
It's just from that title. You know.

01;02;23;07 - 01;02;27;23
Mark
So much good stuff In this episode.

01;02;28;02 - 01;02;30;27
Both
You take a little Ted is like, I'm.

01;02;30;27 - 01;02;31;28
Sarah
Too excited to go.

01;02;31;28 - 01;02;34;05
Both
To sleep. Yeah, Yeah.

01;02;34;06 - 01;02;37;24
Sarah
All right. So until the next time by maniacs, by.

01;02;37;24 - 01;02;54;14
Mark
Maniac is really removing the rabbit. Remember?

01;02;54;24 - 01;02;57;25
Sarah
I'm ready when you are my papa.

01;02;57;26 - 01;02;58;11
Mark
Mao.

01;02;58;11 - 01;03;03;12
Both
Mao did it. Did the Duke Papa.