Mystery Maniacs

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Sarah
Hey, maniacs, just a note before we get started. This episode does mention suicide. We're not going to focus on it or spend too much time on it, but we want you to know just in case you need to be careful while listening on with the show. Hey, maniac.

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Mark
Hey, Maniac.

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Mark
Oh, my.

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Mark
Gosh. Mystery Maniacs is a comedy recap podcast dedicated to mystery TV. Each week we dig in to an episode of a show, including the Murders, Man, movies and everything else we love this Week. Murder Mysteries Season one Episode five. Till Death Do US Part.

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Mark
Yes. I'm Mark.

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Sarah
I'm Sarah. And what a week it's been. Spring break. It's supposed to be a break, right?

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Mark
It's a crazy week. All right.

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Sarah
It's not. There's no break.

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Mark
Here.

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Mark
Luckily, we don't get a break till May.

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Mark
Yes.

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Sarah
But, you know, you have time off work and you look forward to it. And you think Sarah.

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Mark
Had time.

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Sarah
Off? I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. And then I wound up working a couple of days instead. And then I did all the things I wanted to do, jam packed, and now that's over. And I'm looking around the house going, There's stuff I probably should have done instead.

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Sarah
It just but I'll be damned if I'm going to spend three days off work cleaning house. I'm just not going to do it. I don't know when I'm going to do it, but I'm not going to do it.

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Mark
Plus, we have children. They should be.

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Mark
Cleaning the house. I know, shouldn't they?

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Mark
They should.

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Mark
Yeah, they.

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Sarah
Oh, my gosh. Somebody crocheted a psycho box.

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Mark
Yes.

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Mark
So amazing.

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Mark
It is amazing.

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Mark
I can please, whenever you do anything related to the podcast, like get merge or crochet a psycho fox or make an ice sculpture, please call us and send us pictures. It makes our day.

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Mark
Let's share it. It's so fun. Yeah, it's so fun.

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Sarah
We even got a message from your brother saying, Hey, save me a back and read T-shirt.

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Mark
Yeah. My brother's a maniac now. Totally.

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Mark
We got him. Yeah, got.

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Sarah
Him. Oh, boy. So just a reminder. Speaking of merch, all the proceeds will go to Target ovarian cancer now until the end of May. So head on over and pick something.

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Mark
Up.

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Mark
As well as we'll have some new designs coming up. We have a couple ideas.

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Mark
Yeah. Yeah, that's fun stuff.

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Mark
This episode is, of course, the spoiler podcast. And if you let your kids go to the tennis club, they should be allowed to listen to this episode.

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Sarah
Depends how old they are and when they go to the tennis, I guess.

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Mark
Yes.

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Sarah
Yes, we are going to ruin it. We're going to give it away. If you haven't seen til death do us part. Pause right now. Go watch it. Come back. Yes. Or we're going to mess it up for you.

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Mark
Original Air Date February 17, 2008. Don MC Mcbrearty is directed this and Janet McLellan wrote it.

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Sarah
This is one in a long line of mystery shows where either the bride or groom get killed on the wedding day.

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Mark
Yes, midsummer is a classic example of this.

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Sarah
Oh, do not get married in Midsummer Globe. Come back. Don't tell anybody until it's over or you'll get shot right outside the church or poisoned or whatever. I mean, this is this is not so bloody.

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Mark
Yeah.

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Sarah
That the midsummer where it happens, it's like slo mo bride smiling and waving, coming out of the church and then she gets shot.

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Mark
Well, and.

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Mark
Then in midsummer, there's the bridesmaid who gets run through with the spear.

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Sarah
Oh, yeah, there's that, too.

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Mark
It's a very great show. By.

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Sarah
Weddings are dangerous. Yes. This is what we know. I mean, you don't have to watch Game of Thrones Red Wedding episode. No, no, Weddings are dangerous.

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Mark
Weddings certainly are dates.

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Sarah
And so they are in Toronto in 1895, too, because Wendell gets smacked upside the head with a big cross on his wedding day before he can even get married.

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Mark
Everybody's going into the church. The bride's getting ready when those in the ante room getting nervous, getting the cold feet. Well, there's a reason why.

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Mark
He's getting cold feet.

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Sarah
And this is a time in history when weddings weren't necessarily big like they were important. But you might only have like ten people at your wedding. And that was perfectly fine, unless it was a big society, like two wealthy families getting married. It might only be like your closest relatives, and that's.

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Mark
People from the church at this wedding.

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Sarah
Yeah. Aren't there, like, always old ladies who will show up for, like, anything?

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Mark
I would think so. So this church is completely fascinating.

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Mark
It's beautiful. Yes.

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Sarah
Did you find out what church it actually is? Yes. It's not a set, that's for sure.

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Mark
No, no, no, no. This church is located in Hamilton, Ontario.

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Sarah
It is. Is Hamilton, like a suburb of Toronto?

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Mark
Kind of. It's far enough away that it's there. There are a lot of people who live in Hamilton who work in Toronto. Okay. But it's like an hour and a half away.

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Sarah
Oh, okay.

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Mark
It's kind of right at the end of the lake.

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Sarah
That's a long commute.

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Mark
Yeah, well, do you have you seen housing prices in Toronto lately?

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Mark
It's good. Yeah.

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Mark
And plus, they have this thing in Canada called public transportation that allows you to get places easily and cheaply.

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Mark
Yes.

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Sarah
Quickly. Okay. So it's a church in Hamilton.

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Mark
So there's about a 500 to 800000 people. It's about that size. And it's the St Paul's Presbyterian Church right downtown. And in Hamilton. It is a gorgeous church. Who actually has a fairly robust online presence, including a YouTube channel. And they got the talk and everything.

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Sarah
And a church on tik-tok. Yep.

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Mark
The press they're also part of. I think that makes me proud of Canadians. They are taking in Serbian refugees and helping them find places to live, and that's great. The whole thing about it's beautiful.

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Sarah
Yeah, it's so, so pretty inside that church.

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Mark
It is. And there's a plaque. There's a time traveling plaque.

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Sarah
That big brass plaque on the back wall that you can't miss.

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Mark
James GILBEY A and p.

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Mark
P.

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Mark
A. D. I'm not sure what that is paid. No, no, it's. It's like it's part of his B.A. It's a B PD.

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Sarah
But his last name is.

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Mark
Gill.

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Sarah
Oh, I thought Gill was his middle name. I thought it was James Gill B.a.p baby. And his last name was Pede.

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Mark
No, no, no, no, no, no. Yo, Jimmy. Pete, How you doing?

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Mark
No, it's not Jimmy B, it's Jimmy.

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Mark
Gill. Okay.

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Mark
At first, when I looked at it, I thought it was Gilley's, which.

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Mark
If you watch what.

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Sarah
You watched Murdoch. Yeah.

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Mark
And his birthdate is 1864, which he could have had a plaque in the church. 1895 is a 19 year old. 21 year old. But he died in 1939 and listed on their. So the time traveling member of St Paul's for 39 years.

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Sarah
Well, I'm sure when they film someplace like this, they're just simply not allowed to do anything.

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Mark
Yeah, he was. He was the superintendent of the Sunday school for 15 years and clerk of the session for 38 years. Wow. He was very involved in this.

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Sarah
He deserves a plaque now.

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Mark
A plaque?

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Mark
One thing I don't know if you noticed that in this gorgeous church is one thing where the director must have loved when they walked in. Not only the gorgeous stained glass. The stained glass is beautiful, the doorways are beautiful. All that is beautiful. But there is a union jack flag on the wall. Did you notice that? Which would have been time appropriate for this?

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Sarah
Yeah.

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Mark
So they must have looked at that and been like, Oh, this is perfect.

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Sarah
Maybe that's why they chose it.

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Mark
Yeah, it's a it's a big antique union. Jack Now, then they showed the keyboard, the.

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Sarah
Organ.

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Mark
And I was like, That is not a period organ.

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Sarah
It's not.

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Mark
No.

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Sarah
1895 organs didn't have a swell section.

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Mark
According according.

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Sarah
You know, we do have to get to the plot at some point. Right.

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Mark
To the pipe organ database.

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Mark
Oh, boy.

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Sarah
You know, I bet you the organ that's here at Indiana University is on their database. We have a humongous organ. And that's not just bragging.

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Mark
I have a bill. I have a belief is it's a canned Casavant phrase, limited, installed organ that was installed in 1959.

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Sarah
Time traveling organ.

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Mark
It has 50 ranks, 2922 pipes, four divisions, four manual stops, 44 manuals, 45 stops in 43 registers.

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Sarah
So it can make a lot of sounds.

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Mark
It's listed on the pipe organ database as incomplete in terms of minutes of its entry.

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Sarah
Oh, the entries incomplete. Yes. The organs not included.

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Mark
Have all that information.

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Sarah
And there's still more.

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Mark
About it.

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Mark
More to say about.

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Sarah
Nobody mentioned the swell section on the keyboard.

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Mark
No, no, no. It's. Well, it's what it says. Not. Wow.

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Mark
It's not the largest one in Canada. I looked up the largest pipe organ in Canada. It is the Kimball Theater pipe organ in Kingston, Ontario, which was built by the Chicago Kimball Pipe Organ Company in 1928 for installation in the Youngstown, Ohio Theater to accompany silent movies. And then the Kimball Theater in Kingston bought it.

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Sarah
So it went to Ohio and then came back.

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Mark
Can you imagine moving a pipe organ across the border?

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Sarah
It'd be a lot of pieces.

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Mark
Would be a lot of pieces, but some of them have. Like they got to be treated like you can't just throw all those pipes on a truck.

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Mark
No, no.

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Sarah
I just imagine some really uptight organists, like riding along with it. It's okay, baby.

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Mark
It's okay. Okay. We're going to go.

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Sarah
To the United.

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Mark
States. It's all right. You'll be swell.

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Sarah
So the Merrick, the family?

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Mark
Yes.

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Sarah
The mother and her two.

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Mark
She's only referred to as the mother. And she's never happy.

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Sarah
She's Mrs. Merrick?

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Mark
Yes.

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Sarah
And her sons, Wendell, the groom, and Thomas, the younger son? Yes. And he's marrying Eunice McGinty?

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Mark
Yes, Eunice.

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Sarah
And give your name is Eunice. You have to wear wire framed glasses.

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Mark
It's. It's. And she's pinching her cheeks. She feels she doesn't. She's not as good looking as she needs to be.

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Sarah
Well, nobody feel I mean, you want to be as pretty as you can. I'm your wedding day. It's important.

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Mark
But then the brother finds his brother Wendell dead.

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Mark
Don't. Don't Don.

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Mark
Insert commercial break.

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Sarah
Well, you know, they don't have a very good relationship because his brother isn't his best man. His best friend Laurence's. No, Dad, No. And Eunice's maid of honor is Daisy.

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Mark
Daisy. Daisy Hanson? Yeah.

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Sarah
She of the blond poodle do.

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Mark
Yeah.

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Sarah
In the front.

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Mark
So Murdoch arrives with his brand new murder bag. Second appearance of the murder bag?

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Sarah
Yeah. He's got his murder bag on his bike. And, like, you don't want Murdoch showing up with his murder bag to your place. It's a bad sign, right?

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Mark
No, there's a weird shot here. Did you notice it? It's a doctor, Organ, Ogden and Murdoch talking, and the Bible is in the front in the foreground. It's like over the Bible.

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Sarah
No, but I did see Wendell's fingers move.

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Mark
Oh, he did? Aha. Oh, that's not good.

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Mark
Bad corpse acting.

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Mark
No. And they find out that the maze of God.

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Mark
What is that.

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Mark
Thing? So what that is because I've used one before not to.

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Mark
Say who are you whacking with it.

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Mark
But the procession that leads into the church sometimes and.

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Sarah
How you carry.

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Mark
A carry across like.

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Sarah
That. Even in a Presbyterian church. Yeah. I didn't know they had so much pomp. I thought that was the Catholic thing.

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Mark
Again, all Canadian Protestant religions are. We're not Catholic, but we're everything else.

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Sarah
So the daily map is that the Merricks own some kind of business that is doing well and they're wealthy.

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Mark
Something.

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Sarah
And Wendell, the older brother, would not inherit his half of the business unless he got married. Apparently, Thomas is trusted enough to have inherited his half. We don't know if he's married or not. I assume he's not given how the episode ends.

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Mark
He's trustworthy, though. He like he we talked about this. He totally looks like frat boy.

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Sarah
Yes. He comes across as a country club Izod wearing guy.

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Mark
The actor does not look comfortable and gentlemanly.

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Mark
Would you.

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Sarah
Entails and a top half a.

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Mark
Little more than him I would hope.

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Mark
Oh, I don't.

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Sarah
Know if anybody's comfortable in that. But apparently Wendell is a spender and quite wild.

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Mark
I got about there's.

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Mark
Quite a few names hurled at the poor brother in.

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Mark
This.

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Sarah
I think he wasn't wild. I think he was gay.

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Mark
He is anyway, homosexual.

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Sarah
So apparently dad in his will, because the family kind of knew that Wendell was gay, was like, oh, I'm not having anybody who out of the gay inherit house my company, you got to get married and pretend to be straight. So Eunice is his beard, basically.

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Mark
Basically, she's his beard.

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Sarah
Yeah.

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Mark
And it comes out later that she knew.

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Sarah
She kind of knows that. Yeah. Just like Lawrence, his wife knows. And that was probably totally common. Yeah. In the time where there was an understanding because a lot of people got married for reasons other than being crazy about each other. Yes. Not like us, baby.

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Mark
No. Oh.

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Sarah
Eunice's pretending to be a bit backward and mousy and wearing fake glasses and pension, her cheeks and everything else. But it doesn't matter because they're not going to get married. Because Wendell's been whacked.

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Mark
Yes. While he gets double worked.

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Mark
Yeah, he's.

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Sarah
Yeah. So he's dead in the church. And mother, of course, has to go home right away. Yes, I'm sure she's not handling it. I'm sorry that they don't show her and her reaction to it, because I'm kind of curious whether she would be like, oh, no, my oldest son is dead. I loved him. Or she'd be.

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Mark
Like, this is just the kind of thing he would go, you know, like, got about going to go die on his wedding.

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Mark
Day. Strangely enough, weddings can be filled with so much tension that it.

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Sarah
You never know how they.

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Mark
Interact. The best kind of wedding is to go do is one that you have absolutely no involvement with. So you see all this craziness go on your.

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Sarah
Train, your.

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Mark
Wedding.

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Sarah
Strange, crashing, strange, your wedding.

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Mark
No, no, I did this and I did, I. I went with a friend of mine one time to a wedding. She asked me to go with her because she didn't want questions asked about her.

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Mark
And you were her beard.

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Mark
You know, she wasn't gay.

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Sarah
But.

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Mark
But I was kind of her beard. But there was this also.

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Mark
That's an awesome wedding.

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Mark
Yeah, it was awesome.

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Sarah
To be there as a stranger, not as a member of the family, I'm sure. Yeah, well, Mrs. Merrick may be freaking out, but Eunice is doing just fine because Daisy gives her a big ol dose of heroin. It's a wonder drug. Just put her right out. Yeah, I bet it did.

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Mark
Like.

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Sarah
How long did it take them to realize that just selling heroin in drugstores is not a good idea? Just. They were.

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Mark
Doing heroin and cocaine at.

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Sarah
This time. And opium. Yeah. Yeah, it was. I mean, just give her a shot of whiskey.

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Mark
Vs casual use of heroin in this episode.

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Sarah
Yeah, she sent a little bottle and she just puts on the shelf now.

00;15;40;12 - 00;16;08;29
Mark
Which is another a total Murdoch thing where they're like, So Murdoch, any good science fiction? I'm not saying that Murdoch is science fiction, though. It is sometimes is a representation of current things at different it's anachronistic. Yeah, in a fantasy environment, not anachronistic. I think they were probably doing heroin then. Yeah, but it's a little nod to we had no idea the heroin was so bad, so it's okay that we beat up the gay people.

00;16;09;03 - 00;16;15;04
Sarah
It's one of those moments where it's kind of a wink and a nod to the audience. But we know better now, don't we?

00;16;15;18 - 00;16;17;08
Mark
This episode is full of them.

00;16;17;08 - 00;16;20;10
Sarah
Yes, full of it. Eunice pretends to be all upset.

00;16;20;22 - 00;16;22;11
Mark
She's not upset. She's not.

00;16;22;13 - 00;16;24;19
Sarah
She's spoiler. And then we get to go to the morgue.

00;16;24;26 - 00;16;25;07
Mark
Yeah.

00;16;25;11 - 00;16;26;26
Sarah
And the brain is just.

00;16;27;11 - 00;16;28;13
Mark
There, right?

00;16;28;14 - 00;16;29;16
Mark
I love Julia.

00;16;29;16 - 00;16;37;25
Sarah
I like. And here's a brain. Did you see her chalkboard? No. She's got a diagram of the brain with a big scribbling mark over where it's bonked.

00;16;38;01 - 00;16;38;20
Mark
Oh, wow.

00;16;38;20 - 00;16;40;02
Sarah
Where the hematoma is.

00;16;40;02 - 00;16;40;18
Mark
Wow.

00;16;40;27 - 00;16;48;07
Sarah
When? By the way, as a side note, my mom was a nurse, and so she would sometimes use medical terminology for things at home.

00;16;48;08 - 00;16;48;19
Mark
Yes.

00;16;49;00 - 00;17;01;08
Sarah
So as a kid, I bruise and our house was a hematoma. Yeah, right. Sometimes Not all the time. It sometimes, but when I was little, really little like kindergarten and younger, I thought it was keep it tomada.

00;17;01;24 - 00;17;02;20
Mark
Be put to me.

00;17;02;20 - 00;17;04;18
Mark
Though. Yes. That you had a.

00;17;04;18 - 00;17;05;19
Sarah
Heap of tomato on your.

00;17;05;19 - 00;17;06;16
Mark
Like. Wow.

00;17;07;05 - 00;17;09;21
Mark
So is that what discolored your leg.

00;17;09;23 - 00;17;12;03
Mark
I, I don't know. I thought that, but.

00;17;12;03 - 00;17;13;17
Sarah
That's what I thought the word was was.

00;17;14;03 - 00;17;15;03
Mark
Great. That's a great.

00;17;15;20 - 00;17;20;18
Sarah
Hematoma. Maybe that's why I don't like tomatoes. Maybe because I thought that's what grew under your skin when.

00;17;20;18 - 00;17;22;06
Mark
You had a bruise right.

00;17;22;24 - 00;17;26;27
Mark
There. I love how matter of fact, Julia is about that.

00;17;26;27 - 00;17;27;24
Sarah
He had had sex.

00;17;27;24 - 00;17;35;26
Mark
He had the big gay sex, like, 20 minutes before this. Yeah. So, okay, She said that he had sex earlier in the day.

00;17;35;28 - 00;17;36;10
Mark
Mm hmm.

00;17;36;17 - 00;17;39;13
Mark
So did he have sex with Lawrence earlier in the day?

00;17;39;23 - 00;17;44;20
Sarah
I would assume so, but not at church, surely. Before church, somewhere else.

00;17;44;20 - 00;17;46;24
Mark
It seems they have a lot on that day, that.

00;17;46;24 - 00;17;50;03
Sarah
Maybe busy day, especially since people got married in the morning, then.

00;17;50;03 - 00;17;50;29
Mark
Yeah, it.

00;17;50;29 - 00;17;58;18
Sarah
Was fairly common for people to get married in the morning and then have a wedding breakfast like that was a thing that people did. So they, they got up early and.

00;17;58;20 - 00;17;59;17
Mark
Here we have.

00;18;00;06 - 00;18;01;03
Mark
More ways than one.

00;18;01;06 - 00;18;10;08
Mark
Thing they did. They got to Here we have one of our favorite tropes of the show, which is the wide eyed Murdoch.

00;18;10;09 - 00;18;12;00
Sarah
Murdoch learns a lesson.

00;18;12;00 - 00;18;12;17
Mark
Yes.

00;18;13;09 - 00;18;24;06
Sarah
I suddenly we get to see how naive Murdoch is, how his lack of worldly awareness and Julia is usually his guide.

00;18;24;06 - 00;18;25;07
Mark
To What the hell are.

00;18;25;07 - 00;18;26;28
Sarah
You thinking, Murdoch? Come on.

00;18;27;14 - 00;18;27;21
Mark
Up.

00;18;28;10 - 00;18;41;21
Mark
And and she does that role here that we see in later episodes that I wish she had had done in the last episode with the couple in the boxing episode, with the couple who were so openly swingers.

00;18;41;21 - 00;18;42;04
Mark
Yeah.

00;18;42;11 - 00;18;49;00
Sarah
Like she doesn't say, Well, they're not hurting anybody. Get over it. Yeah. William But she does a good job of calling them out on it.

00;18;49;02 - 00;18;49;12
Mark
Yeah.

00;18;49;19 - 00;18;55;15
Sarah
And he doesn't necessarily accept it right away, but I think she doesn't in a way that gets through to him anyway.

00;18;55;24 - 00;19;06;13
Mark
And I think he is innocent and naive here because of his upbringing. And but, but he was also like a uniform for five years. Yeah.

00;19;06;13 - 00;19;19;00
Sarah
He didn't fall out of the sky is attractive. Do you think he would be a little bit more worldly and he wasn't a detective in some little podunk place either? No. Right. Of course. Bracken Reid has every slur. Right. Ready to go.

00;19;19;14 - 00;19;20;01
Mark
Wow.

00;19;20;01 - 00;19;37;29
Sarah
Oh, on the tip of his tongue. And I'm not even going to repeat them. No, but see, Bracken Reed is already a more complex character because though he is clearly I don't think he's homophobic phobic. He's not afraid of them, but he definitely thinks less of them.

00;19;37;29 - 00;19;39;00
Mark
He thinks they're funny.

00;19;39;00 - 00;19;48;28
Sarah
And wants to make fun of them. But while well, he thinks that he's also willing to concede things will probably change. But right now we have to work in the system we've got.

00;19;48;29 - 00;20;00;27
Mark
Yes, right. And he also says probably the most misogynistic thing he's ever said, which is it's like the like a woman scorned and a man without an attitude to get things done.

00;20;01;01 - 00;20;02;11
Mark
Yeah. Yeah.

00;20;02;11 - 00;20;09;01
Sarah
It's like, yeah, thanks, Brooke and Reed. And then Oh, yeah, one of my favorite scenes, the episodes, which is Constable Perkins.

00;20;09;03 - 00;20;11;17
Mark
Oh, my gosh. What do Perkins do?

00;20;11;25 - 00;20;14;20
Sarah
He's in Brock and Reid's office records. I'm like.

00;20;14;25 - 00;20;15;20
Mark
Please excuse me.

00;20;15;20 - 00;20;22;16
Sarah
Murdoch. I got some business. Said, Yeah. So Murdoch goes off and talks to Crabtree and poor Constable Perkins has to go into.

00;20;22;16 - 00;20;27;01
Mark
Brady's screams at Perkins first. Like, get in here.

00;20;27;01 - 00;20;30;03
Sarah
Yeah. And Perkins is just standing there at attention so.

00;20;30;03 - 00;20;30;16
Mark
Perkins.

00;20;30;16 - 00;20;31;22
Sarah
Taking it. Whatever.

00;20;31;23 - 00;20;33;11
Mark
Constable.

00;20;33;11 - 00;20;34;17
Sarah
Constable Perkins.

00;20;34;18 - 00;20;35;22
Mark
What did he do?

00;20;35;26 - 00;20;37;04
Sarah
Something real bad.

00;20;37;04 - 00;20;40;03
Mark
I think he took Braxton Reed. Oh. Whiskey.

00;20;40;12 - 00;20;44;06
Sarah
Oh. I think he'd get fired for that. Yeah. No, I think maybe.

00;20;45;09 - 00;20;47;09
Mark
He said something about Braxton Reed's wife.

00;20;47;15 - 00;20;49;22
Sarah
Again. I think you just get fired or punched.

00;20;49;26 - 00;20;50;15
Mark
Punched for.

00;20;50;15 - 00;21;05;07
Sarah
That. You get fired and then beat up in the alley. It must have been something on duty. Like he let a girl where is bad for fun or something, you know, because whatever it is, he knows it was wrong because he's not arguing his case whatsoever. He's just.

00;21;05;08 - 00;21;06;18
Mark
Taking out a part time job.

00;21;06;18 - 00;21;07;05
Mark
Somewhere else.

00;21;07;06 - 00;21;14;08
Sarah
But I also like the way Bracken Reed has a little bit of zeal and his I like he's looking forward to ripping him a new one, like, pardon me.

00;21;14;08 - 00;21;16;18
Mark
I'm going to teach this whippersnapper a.

00;21;16;18 - 00;21;21;07
Mark
Lesson. Yeah, yeah. And we got old Dan all day.

00;21;21;13 - 00;21;44;05
Sarah
The homeless guy outside the church begging for pennies. Totally a character. He's probably the best known actor of all the the the episodes Pacific actors. In this episode, he's played by Doug McGrath. He was in The Outlaw Josey Wales. Yeah, he was in Pale Rider, which is another Clint Eastwood movie, and he was in John Carpenter's Ghost of Mars.

00;21;44;05 - 00;21;45;24
Mark
Yes. What you asked me about. All right.

00;21;45;26 - 00;21;49;27
Sarah
Which has Ice Cube, Pam Grier and Jason Statham in.

00;21;49;28 - 00;21;52;11
Mark
RiffTrax movie.

00;21;52;11 - 00;21;55;04
Sarah
He does not play old Dan in any of those movie.

00;21;56;15 - 00;21;57;13
Mark
He's not like.

00;21;57;20 - 00;21;58;19
Sarah
The Mars hobo.

00;21;58;19 - 00;22;01;10
Mark
Or anything wandering.

00;22;01;10 - 00;22;06;28
Sarah
Around asking for space pennies when he's on screen. He's great, but he's absolutely underused as an actor.

00;22;06;29 - 00;22;08;02
Mark
Oh, he's way and.

00;22;08;03 - 00;22;10;17
Sarah
He's been around for a really long time and he's played a lot.

00;22;10;18 - 00;22;13;25
Mark
They were like, We need a hobo. We know this guy.

00;22;14;03 - 00;22;15;12
Mark
Yeah, Doug will do it. Yeah.

00;22;15;13 - 00;22;18;27
Sarah
Doug Fun. Yeah. I think grew a beard recently. We can have him do it.

00;22;18;28 - 00;22;19;10
Mark
Yeah.

00;22;20;04 - 00;22;31;27
Mark
And there there is. So they're trying to figure out, according to Murdoch's murder map, if the priest could hear the argument in his chambers.

00;22;31;27 - 00;22;32;24
Sarah
The reverend?

00;22;32;24 - 00;22;35;11
Mark
Yes. So not a priest, Reverend, That's important.

00;22;35;11 - 00;22;38;04
Mark
Yes. The reverend could hear the argument in.

00;22;38;04 - 00;22;43;06
Sarah
His head because he says Laurence and and Wendell were arguing in the meeting room that.

00;22;43;06 - 00;22;43;14
Mark
What, they.

00;22;43;14 - 00;22;44;29
Mark
Called. Yeah, yeah.

00;22;45;08 - 00;23;00;20
Sarah
That's what he calls it. But they were arguing. Yeah, in the meeting room. But that he couldn't hear exactly what they were saying. But Murdoch doubts that, right. So he puts Crabtree in the meeting room and has him yell and he hangs out in the reverend's office to see if he can make out the word.

00;23;00;20 - 00;23;05;24
Mark
And poor Crabtree. So, like, he doesn't want to offend anybody. He doesn't like to yell.

00;23;06;01 - 00;23;07;29
Sarah
Yeah, well, what would you feel about?

00;23;08;09 - 00;23;10;14
Mark
I don't know. Some nerve.

00;23;11;17 - 00;23;13;02
Sarah
You probably yell song lyrics.

00;23;13;02 - 00;23;14;03
Mark
Or something like.

00;23;14;03 - 00;23;16;02
Mark
That. But Crabtree.

00;23;16;02 - 00;23;18;27
Sarah
Chooses to do his Bracken Reed impersonation.

00;23;18;27 - 00;23;19;22
Mark
Instead, which.

00;23;19;22 - 00;23;24;15
Mark
Is the whole reason why the Perkins thing is there. It's actually nice.

00;23;24;20 - 00;23;27;15
Mark
And do you think that's what Perkins was doing?

00;23;27;23 - 00;23;28;23
Sarah
That's when he got in trouble.

00;23;28;23 - 00;23;29;08
Mark
So you.

00;23;29;14 - 00;23;38;07
Mark
Know. No, I think I think it's a payoff of a joke in the middle of an episode instead of at the end, which I like because.

00;23;38;07 - 00;23;42;06
Sarah
Because Crabtree is repeating some of the things that he heard Bracken Reed say.

00;23;42;17 - 00;23;47;08
Mark
Like I have you on doorknob rattling duty. If I didn't think they'd outsmart you.

00;23;47;16 - 00;23;53;05
Mark
It was just a fantastic insult. But then Crabtree gets a little too comfortable.

00;23;53;05 - 00;23;56;25
Sarah
He runs out of material, so he just starts making fun of his accent.

00;23;57;13 - 00;24;01;24
Mark
He make fun. I'm from Sheffield. I can't say my hands. Bloody l bloody.

00;24;01;25 - 00;24;04;14
Sarah
And he wouldn't be saying bloody hell in church.

00;24;04;22 - 00;24;06;01
Mark
No, I hope not.

00;24;06;18 - 00;24;09;23
Sarah
Especially not loud enough for everybody now birds.

00;24;09;26 - 00;24;12;09
Mark
It's a fantastic George Crabtree performance.

00;24;12;22 - 00;24;14;19
Mark
I can't pronounce my bloody l.

00;24;15;15 - 00;24;17;16
Sarah
And then the minister has to admit.

00;24;17;17 - 00;24;18;07
Mark
Yes, that.

00;24;18;14 - 00;24;19;16
Mark
He knew.

00;24;19;17 - 00;24;34;09
Sarah
He heard exactly what the argument was about and knew that Wendell was gay and had had counseled him about it in the past, thereby making himself suspicious because maybe he was Wendell's lover, not Lawrence.

00;24;34;09 - 00;24;35;21
Mark
Yes, Well, okay.

00;24;35;22 - 00;24;38;00
Sarah
Because there's only three men in Toronto who.

00;24;38;00 - 00;24;41;17
Mark
Puts the who puts the reverend in the frame. Eunice.

00;24;41;17 - 00;24;42;02
Sarah
Yeah.

00;24;42;07 - 00;24;44;02
Mark
So she's clearly lying.

00;24;44;16 - 00;24;55;23
Sarah
Yeah. Once you know that Eunice is is the killer basically sort of killer, you go back and you see how she's laying the foundation to put the suspicion. So there are people.

00;24;55;23 - 00;25;01;15
Mark
I don't I think the Reverend is understanding. I don't know if he's gay.

00;25;01;16 - 00;25;05;00
Sarah
Because Eunice claims that she saw the Reverend and Wendell kissing.

00;25;05;02 - 00;25;07;09
Mark
Yes. Which is pretty clear.

00;25;07;18 - 00;25;10;01
Mark
Like would you not. Okay. At this time.

00;25;10;01 - 00;25;10;23
Mark
Wouldn't you go.

00;25;10;23 - 00;25;11;16
Mark
As a what's.

00;25;11;16 - 00;25;13;01
Mark
Going on? Yeah.

00;25;13;06 - 00;25;19;22
Sarah
You wouldn't just slip away in your wedding dress and wait for him like, I guess we'll just get married anyway.

00;25;19;24 - 00;25;20;26
Mark
Wait, what?

00;25;21;10 - 00;25;27;10
Sarah
That means going to marry you like he's going to perform your wedding, and he was just kissing your husband. I think you'd say something.

00;25;27;10 - 00;25;32;27
Mark
So then the priest says he was kissing him in a friendly manner. I'm like, We.

00;25;33;07 - 00;25;33;15
Mark
Got.

00;25;34;04 - 00;25;39;02
Mark
It if we take it because he appears to be lying when he says that.

00;25;39;07 - 00;25;40;03
Sarah
But it's not.

00;25;40;07 - 00;25;46;08
Mark
He's not. Lawrence was ready to get it on with everybody.

00;25;46;08 - 00;26;03;17
Sarah
No, I think I don't know about the reverend, but I don't think they were kissing. I think. I don't think so. I think he hugged Wendell. Yeah. And I don't even think he gave him a kiss on the cheek. I just don't think he knows whether he did or not. But he probably didn't. I think Eunice is a complete and utter liar.

00;26;03;18 - 00;26;03;29
Sarah
Yes.

00;26;04;13 - 00;26;15;27
Mark
Obviously, if only there was a way that we could get Murdoch's thoughts in an interior monologue about this. That wasn't an interior monologue. Oh, wait, he's Catholic confession.

00;26;16;04 - 00;26;16;19
Mark
Yes.

00;26;16;19 - 00;26;19;12
Sarah
So we can hear what struggles he's having in his head.

00;26;19;12 - 00;26;27;14
Mark
Yes, it is a trope of many, many, many shows. I was just offering. Saw him solace with my lips.

00;26;28;21 - 00;26;36;15
Sarah
Well, he says that the reverend says that Wendell was going to cancel the wedding. Yeah, right. So he was having a major crisis.

00;26;36;22 - 00;26;46;07
Mark
Which doesn't make sense in this structure and social time. It Murdoch's right later on that this is almost a perfect situation.

00;26;46;09 - 00;26;52;00
Sarah
Yeah like if he had gone ahead and married Eunice, he and Lawrence could have still had their thing.

00;26;52;00 - 00;26;57;04
Mark
I think he found out about either Eunice and his brother or Eunice.

00;26;57;04 - 00;27;07;22
Sarah
Yeah, maybe because, see, I don't know, maybe Eunice says that she saw them kissing as a way to excuse just in case somebody saw her in that room.

00;27;07;22 - 00;27;08;21
Mark
I think so.

00;27;08;26 - 00;27;11;04
Sarah
Go. Go to the room where Wendell lives.

00;27;11;29 - 00;27;22;19
Mark
It's right at the front of the church, and there's not many people know. No, Murdock is the murder map, but it doesn't really do a good job of checking people and where they are.

00;27;22;22 - 00;27;33;17
Sarah
No, because in the in the murder map, wouldn't. Wouldn't you have to. To go from the reverend's office to the meeting room? Wouldn't you have to walk across the altar? Yes. Or maybe behind it. Maybe you can walk behind it.

00;27;33;18 - 00;27;36;03
Mark
Maybe a special altar secret door.

00;27;36;05 - 00;27;42;07
Sarah
It would make sense that there was a path behind it. Yeah, right. So people could come out from both sides back there.

00;27;43;16 - 00;27;43;28
Mark
But wouldn't.

00;27;44;09 - 00;27;47;00
Sarah
Yeah, because her room should be at the at the front of the church.

00;27;47;06 - 00;27;48;11
Mark
Her rooms at the front of.

00;27;48;11 - 00;27;57;21
Sarah
The well I'm sorry at the back of the church. It should be near the door. Yes. Right. Because she's got to walk from there. Yeah. And he should be in a room up near the altar. Yes. So that makes sense.

00;27;57;24 - 00;27;58;07
Mark
Yeah.

00;27;59;00 - 00;28;01;21
Sarah
The boy.

00;28;01;21 - 00;28;01;25
Mark
Well.

00;28;02;02 - 00;28;05;18
Mark
We decided as much about this episode as the person who drew that murder.

00;28;05;18 - 00;28;06;20
Mark
Now, Well.

00;28;06;20 - 00;28;20;13
Sarah
If they're going to find out if Lawrence is, they think that Lawrence was not Wendell's lover and the reverend wasn't, then who was? And the only way they're going to find out is for Murdock to insinuate himself in gay culture in Toronto.

00;28;20;13 - 00;28;31;28
Mark
Yes, they have their own societies down at Cherry Beach now. Okay. Cherry Beach is a quite well known area of ill repute.

00;28;31;28 - 00;28;33;06
Mark
Yeah, okay.

00;28;33;06 - 00;28;34;25
Sarah
My general ill repute.

00;28;34;25 - 00;28;37;24
Mark
Specifically gay but jock era.

00;28;37;29 - 00;28;42;06
Sarah
And was. And they're saying that it was way back then, too. Yes. Okay.

00;28;42;11 - 00;28;46;14
Mark
Though it's a very nice area now.

00;28;46;14 - 00;28;50;05
Sarah
Yeah. Because Murdock says, was he going to go down and beat the bushes or something.

00;28;50;05 - 00;28;50;27
Mark
Well, it was.

00;28;50;29 - 00;28;51;14
Mark
It's like a hook.

00;28;51;14 - 00;29;13;09
Mark
It's well known as a hookup spot. It's also well known as a place in which police had sort of fascistic rule down there. There's a song by a band in Canada called Pukka Orchestra called Cherry Beach Express about go and get picked up by the cops and basically be in the crap beat out.

00;29;13;09 - 00;29;14;28
Mark
Of you because they're paddy wagons.

00;29;14;28 - 00;29;21;10
Mark
They nightsticks swinging in Cherry Beach. Wow. I remember the first time I went to Cherry Beach. I was like, Indonesia.

00;29;21;16 - 00;29;23;05
Mark
Yeah. What are they talking about?

00;29;23;05 - 00;29;29;17
Sarah
What's going on? Yeah, I think you're probably there at the wrong time of day. Probably, unless you were there late at night, creeping around in the bushes and I.

00;29;29;17 - 00;29;30;09
Mark
Don't know about it.

00;29;30;12 - 00;29;33;16
Mark
Well, they also have literary appreciations, so.

00;29;33;29 - 00;29;42;13
Sarah
Yeah, it's like in the Terry Pratchett Discworld books, the brothels are called They're there, they're not prostitutes, they're seamstresses.

00;29;42;15 - 00;29;43;00
Mark
Oh.

00;29;43;11 - 00;29;47;19
Sarah
But they hardly ever use any fabric or thread. But that's what they are. They're seamstresses, right?

00;29;47;19 - 00;29;48;08
Mark
They do.

00;29;48;09 - 00;29;51;01
Sarah
Yeah. So you have to have your little covers for things.

00;29;51;12 - 00;29;54;08
Mark
And Higgins has a cousin who's a left footer.

00;29;54;08 - 00;29;54;18
Mark
Yeah.

00;29;55;04 - 00;30;06;19
Sarah
I realize that a lot of this could, could strike people as being extremely homophobic on behalf of the writers of Murdoch rather than as the characters. This scene.

00;30;06;19 - 00;30;11;11
Mark
Is to point out the fact that the police had no idea what was really going.

00;30;11;15 - 00;30;35;06
Sarah
Nun They didn't know what gay culture was like. They didn't know what these men were actually doing, that what they did when they spent their time together, who they, what they were like, as people know, and they prove that by dressing Murdoch up as some kind of military dandy, Oscar Wilde rejected a weird hat because that's what they think gay men dress like.

00;30;35;06 - 00;30;39;01
Sarah
Yeah, wouldn't it be a whole lot easier to arrest them if they all looked like that?

00;30;39;01 - 00;30;43;23
Mark
It would in fact be Now, where do you think they got the accouterments?

00;30;43;23 - 00;31;04;23
Sarah
That's a good question, because in the snap of a finger, Murdoch is dressed up. Yes, right. There's no shopping montage, no. So either somebody already had these clothes in their own wardrobe and brought them in, which would be suspicious. Right. Or they've got a dress up closet.

00;31;04;27 - 00;31;21;06
Mark
They don't have a dress up. Cross it. I know exactly what they have. What they have. Mr. Dress Up, a Canadian children's performer who was influenced by Fred Rogers immensely. He had a trunk that was full of dress up items in which he called his tickle trunk.

00;31;21;11 - 00;31;24;04
Mark
Oh, wow.

00;31;24;04 - 00;31;25;17
Sarah
That's troublesome.

00;31;26;18 - 00;31;27;03
Mark
What was in.

00;31;27;03 - 00;31;31;12
Sarah
The tickle trunk besides this outfit? Oh, we know they didn't have a white dress.

00;31;31;12 - 00;31;36;00
Mark
Station for tickle trunk.

00;31;36;00 - 00;31;39;00
Sarah
The white dress is in there now with the UN spatters.

00;31;39;00 - 00;31;42;07
Mark
The blood splattered white dress and the shirt from the pig.

00;31;42;07 - 00;31;44;24
Sarah
Right. The pigs t shirt. Yeah, that would be in there.

00;31;44;24 - 00;31;47;14
Mark
Black and Reid's hat from the last episode?

00;31;47;14 - 00;31;51;18
Sarah
Yeah. What else would they have in there? They probably have at least one nun costume.

00;31;51;25 - 00;31;53;29
Mark
In costume, in old lady costumes.

00;31;54;00 - 00;31;57;21
Sarah
Oh, yeah. They've got to dress up as old ladies sometimes, you know, to catch.

00;31;57;21 - 00;31;58;03
Mark
People.

00;31;58;03 - 00;31;59;09
Mark
Yeah, absolutely.

00;31;59;09 - 00;32;02;04
Sarah
What else would they have? Maybe like a.

00;32;02;06 - 00;32;06;21
Mark
Bigfoot? Yeah, like a Sasquatch crotch.

00;32;06;21 - 00;32;12;22
Mark
That's what Perkins did wrong. You didn't put the Bigfoot costume back in the back of trailer.

00;32;12;22 - 00;32;16;00
Mark
You didn't clean the Sasquatch costume.

00;32;16;00 - 00;32;20;08
Mark
Perkins, you're in charge of the tickle trunk. You got to take better care of the tickle trunk.

00;32;20;13 - 00;32;22;22
Mark
It just don't fart.

00;32;22;22 - 00;32;24;08
Mark
It's unacceptable.

00;32;24;26 - 00;32;26;09
Sarah
Perkins The concept of the tickle.

00;32;26;09 - 00;32;36;17
Mark
Trunk, where do you think they keep? They got to keep it upstairs. They keep it by the chicken in the drag show.

00;32;36;17 - 00;32;38;08
Mark
That's. Sleep it. Sorry. Sorry.

00;32;38;08 - 00;32;38;29
Mark
Different sex.

00;32;38;29 - 00;32;40;00
Mark
Friendly giant.

00;32;40;00 - 00;32;56;02
Sarah
I know there's all these scenes, especially with and Reid and Murdock walking down the stairs and in station four they walk down the stairs and Murdock's office is right there. And then the common areas there in back, and Reid's office is over to the side. Right. What is upstairs?

00;32;57;01 - 00;32;59;00
Mark
Apparently, the tickled star.

00;33;00;11 - 00;33;01;03
Mark
I mean, I.

00;33;01;09 - 00;33;05;16
Sarah
Guess maybe the interrogation room is upstairs. Maybe, but I doubt it.

00;33;05;16 - 00;33;05;25
Mark
I don't.

00;33;05;25 - 00;33;10;12
Sarah
Think. I don't think so. Yeah. So that must be where they keep it.

00;33;10;18 - 00;33;19;29
Mark
Here's a completely Canadian specific joke that maybe Perkins's first name is crazy, but for people who are from Canada, forget that.

00;33;20;15 - 00;33;22;11
Sarah
Okay, I'll take your word on that.

00;33;22;11 - 00;33;27;03
Mark
Mr. Dress up. I met him. Very nice guy. Absolutely fantastic individual.

00;33;27;03 - 00;33;40;09
Sarah
So not only does he have on the jacket with the frogs on the front. Yes. Right. That's what you call those closures, by the way. Yes. You know, frogs. Frogs in a velvet collar. Yes. And the hat, the feather is too much.

00;33;40;09 - 00;33;41;21
Mark
It is. It is.

00;33;41;21 - 00;33;45;14
Sarah
It's too much. Yeah. And the and the flower on his lapel.

00;33;45;14 - 00;33;51;02
Mark
Well, if they're going to have stereotypical costumes in the cultural, they probably should have like an Indian outfit.

00;33;51;10 - 00;33;52;14
Mark
Like with a headdress.

00;33;52;14 - 00;33;53;20
Mark
And American outfit.

00;33;53;20 - 00;33;53;29
Mark
Yeah.

00;33;54;07 - 00;33;58;02
Sarah
This is. And the cowboy outfit. Right? Yes, the American Cossacks.

00;33;58;03 - 00;34;00;17
Mark
The American costume is a cowboy cowboy outfit.

00;34;00;24 - 00;34;01;15
Mark
Yee ha!

00;34;01;15 - 00;34;04;18
Sarah
But did you notice Murdock's footwear?

00;34;04;20 - 00;34;06;26
Mark
No. What does he have on his.

00;34;07;03 - 00;34;15;17
Sarah
We only get a tiny glimpse of it. Okay? Because when he's sitting with Jeffrey at the tennis club, Jeffrey puts his hand on Murdock's knee.

00;34;15;17 - 00;34;16;16
Mark
Yes, he does.

00;34;16;19 - 00;34;26;16
Sarah
There's a hint for you. We can see his footwear from his knee because he is wearing knee high black leather boots. That lace up the front.

00;34;26;18 - 00;34;26;27
Mark
Oh.

00;34;27;13 - 00;34;32;02
Mark
So he goes to the tennis club and he sticks out like a sore thumb.

00;34;32;02 - 00;34;33;00
Sarah
Oh, my gosh.

00;34;33;03 - 00;34;33;24
Mark
They surprised.

00;34;33;24 - 00;34;35;17
Sarah
They don't just turn and laugh at him.

00;34;35;17 - 00;34;43;14
Mark
They do such a good job of making the gay culture appear normal and accepting and welcoming.

00;34;43;14 - 00;34;45;21
Sarah
Welcome. Though in reality, they would be like.

00;34;45;27 - 00;34;49;12
Mark
You get out of here. Yeah, dude, they would, because.

00;34;49;12 - 00;34;54;22
Sarah
You are completely unacceptable and you are going to give us away. Yeah, and that is dangerous.

00;34;54;22 - 00;34;55;11
Mark
I'm George.

00;34;55;11 - 00;34;56;26
Mark
So, Oscar Wilde.

00;34;56;26 - 00;34;57;25
Sarah
Get out of here.

00;34;57;29 - 00;35;00;28
Mark
George. Montreal. George.

00;35;00;28 - 00;35;05;12
Sarah
His name wouldn't have a Quebec accent if he was from Montreal necessarily.

00;35;05;12 - 00;35;06;28
Mark
There's an English area in Quebec.

00;35;07;04 - 00;35;08;19
Sarah
Okay? He drinks wine.

00;35;08;26 - 00;35;10;09
Mark
He does eat.

00;35;10;28 - 00;35;12;07
Mark
Myrtle Murdoch later, drinks.

00;35;12;14 - 00;35;22;01
Mark
Later on. Barack and Reid offers him a drink and goes, Of course not. Meanwhile, Murdock's at the gay tennis club down in Marlow.

00;35;22;01 - 00;35;27;20
Sarah
Now he takes one drink and you know why? It's not an anachronism for his character. Why Communion?

00;35;27;22 - 00;35;29;11
Mark
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00;35;29;12 - 00;35;34;13
Sarah
Right. So he. I think he'd be okay with a sip of red wine, but that's it.

00;35;34;13 - 00;35;35;04
Mark
Maybe.

00;35;35;04 - 00;35;39;07
Sarah
And that's all he does. I thought he was going to pretend to drink it. He drinks.

00;35;39;07 - 00;35;40;10
Mark
It? No, he does.

00;35;40;11 - 00;35;41;10
Sarah
He takes a log of it.

00;35;41;19 - 00;35;44;18
Mark
And then totally screws over.

00;35;44;22 - 00;35;45;18
Sarah
Poor Jeffrey.

00;35;45;21 - 00;35;46;09
Mark
Jeffrey.

00;35;46;14 - 00;35;47;22
Mark
Yeah. They.

00;35;48;02 - 00;35;52;00
Sarah
He lures them away. He was very welcoming and kind to him.

00;35;52;00 - 00;35;52;23
Mark
He was.

00;35;52;27 - 00;36;01;07
Sarah
And they take him to the station. I don't like that Murdoch likes Bratton read roughing up. I think he should have stopped him.

00;36;01;12 - 00;36;10;02
Mark
I think this is I hope this is the last time Bracken Reed roughs up a gay guy for being gay because he feels shame at the end of it.

00;36;10;04 - 00;36;14;17
Sarah
Yeah. Yeah, I think he does. So then they go to Lawrence's house and.

00;36;14;17 - 00;36;18;02
Mark
Oh, wait. Jeffrey says the reverend is also gay.

00;36;18;02 - 00;36;18;16
Mark
Yes.

00;36;18;21 - 00;36;22;03
Mark
So there's there's cross triangulation.

00;36;22;04 - 00;36;30;12
Sarah
There's a community there. Yeah, right. But he says that Lawrence was Wendell's lover. Yes, Right. So they go back to Lawrence's house.

00;36;30;18 - 00;36;33;20
Mark
What is up with the top of Lourdes? His house?

00;36;33;27 - 00;36;34;27
Sarah
I do not know.

00;36;34;28 - 00;36;40;02
Mark
Okay. Lawrence is dead. He killed himself. It's sad. It's upsetting. We're not here to talk about suicide.

00;36;40;02 - 00;36;40;11
Sarah
No.

00;36;40;20 - 00;36;40;25
Mark
Okay.

00;36;40;29 - 00;36;42;01
Sarah
We're here to talk about.

00;36;42;01 - 00;36;43;04
Mark
The battle walls.

00;36;43;06 - 00;36;44;07
Mark
In that bedroom.

00;36;44;11 - 00;36;45;18
Mark
What is up with that?

00;36;45;19 - 00;36;46;10
Mark
Oh, my.

00;36;46;10 - 00;37;11;03
Sarah
God. Down stairs of their house on the outside look completely respectable and period with the time. And I'm like, I'm an upper middle class family, But their bedroom is from, like, Anne Boleyn's bedroom or something. It is. It's gotten way too much like Tudor area era woodwork. Yeah, on the ceiling. And the walls look like they're made out of unfinished drywall.

00;37;11;06 - 00;37;14;24
Mark
It looks like unfinished. Finished attic.

00;37;14;24 - 00;37;17;10
Sarah
It's a garret. Yeah, it's a garret room.

00;37;17;10 - 00;37;19;22
Mark
But there are pictures on the walls.

00;37;19;22 - 00;37;20;05
Mark
Yeah.

00;37;20;16 - 00;37;23;28
Mark
And beefcake pictures in the desk.

00;37;23;28 - 00;37;29;08
Sarah
But there's also, like, a shelf around the top. It's got, like, old knickknacks and dusty junk.

00;37;29;18 - 00;37;31;14
Mark
It's a very weird room.

00;37;31;27 - 00;37;42;20
Sarah
It. And you know, I mean, I assumed that this was he into SEAL's bedroom, but maybe it's not. Yeah, maybe it's his, like, upstairs office spare room.

00;37;43;01 - 00;37;46;00
Mark
In the room like that where he plays sodomy in.

00;37;46;00 - 00;37;48;05
Mark
Chess. No.

00;37;48;16 - 00;37;50;12
Sarah
That's. That's not the man.

00;37;50;12 - 00;37;51;17
Mark
That's the parlor.

00;37;51;17 - 00;37;52;25
Sarah
This is the man room.

00;37;52;26 - 00;37;54;24
Mark
The man room. Like the man picture.

00;37;54;24 - 00;38;02;16
Sarah
Like the box room. Okay. Right. Yeah. So this isn't their bedroom? No, it is in the attic. That would explain everything.

00;38;02;16 - 00;38;03;29
Mark
And this is where.

00;38;03;29 - 00;38;06;05
Sarah
There's a milk canned next to the bed. Yeah.

00;38;06;29 - 00;38;11;12
Mark
Why would you tell me? They might have had bedpans back then.

00;38;11;12 - 00;38;17;12
Sarah
Maybe. Maybe, but no, certainly not a milk. How much do you pee in the night that.

00;38;17;12 - 00;38;23;11
Mark
You need a milk can next to your bed? That's a lot. Wow. You know, a.

00;38;23;11 - 00;38;26;18
Sarah
Bedpan just doesn't do it. I need a milk and just really.

00;38;26;18 - 00;38;27;15
Mark
Just get up and go.

00;38;27;15 - 00;38;32;25
Mark
That sounds like five gallons. That's a lot of pee. Wow.

00;38;32;25 - 00;38;37;05
Mark
Plus right by the bed.

00;38;37;05 - 00;38;37;18
Mark
Well, it.

00;38;37;18 - 00;38;41;16
Sarah
Is a garret, attic, bedroom. That's where we put Uncle pee. When he.

00;38;41;16 - 00;38;43;20
Mark
Visits, we make him stay.

00;38;43;20 - 00;38;43;27
Sarah
In the.

00;38;43;27 - 00;38;52;22
Mark
Box. Feet peed, baby, baby peed. So that's.

00;38;52;22 - 00;38;55;03
Sarah
What that guy in the church is Got those honorifics.

00;38;55;03 - 00;38;57;15
Mark
For you can be five gallon circular.

00;38;57;18 - 00;39;01;13
Mark
Garage with all her brand new notion.

00;39;01;25 - 00;39;03;28
Sarah
Yeah she's a modern woman.

00;39;04;01 - 00;39;15;21
Mark
This is what I was talking about I think we talked about in the last episode but certainly where we see this show going, Murdoch is confronted with the reality in the world. Yes, there are gay people.

00;39;15;21 - 00;39;16;06
Mark
Yes.

00;39;16;16 - 00;39;21;16
Mark
That challenges some moralistic truth that he has clung to until this point.

00;39;21;16 - 00;39;22;00
Sarah
Yes.

00;39;23;03 - 00;39;28;16
Mark
He goes to seek solace from Julia, who goes, what are you talking about, you old fuddy duddy.

00;39;28;18 - 00;39;30;27
Sarah
You're stupid and snap out of it.

00;39;31;04 - 00;39;38;10
Mark
So combined with the reality of there are gay people and the fact that the girl that he loves is like her.

00;39;38;24 - 00;39;40;07
Sarah
You need to get over yourself, you.

00;39;40;07 - 00;39;46;01
Mark
Need to get over yourself. He that institutes and creates change in young William Murdoch.

00;39;46;01 - 00;39;48;10
Sarah
Yes he has to grow.

00;39;48;13 - 00;39;48;29
Mark
Yes.

00;39;49;05 - 00;39;53;29
Sarah
And adapt. But he doesn't have to get rid of that creepy face mask on the wall of his office.

00;39;53;29 - 00;39;59;08
Mark
What is that phrase? I don't know. Oh, I looked and looked and.

00;39;59;08 - 00;40;07;01
Sarah
Looked at it and I thought, is it a theater mask? I guess. Is it a mike? You know, the happy, sad masks? Yeah, the drama masks. No.

00;40;07;04 - 00;40;09;18
Mark
And there's a drama episode up. But it's not.

00;40;09;18 - 00;40;21;20
Sarah
Not that. No. And it's not a Janus mask. It doesn't look like it's not classical. It doesn't have two faces. No, but it does look kind of Greco-Roman where we got a picture of it for the real on the show notes. We'll put it up.

00;40;22;11 - 00;40;41;09
Mark
But I love the writers do such a good job here of presenting multiple sides to the argument in a way that isn't. We totally fall on this side of the argument, right? Like the Murdoch brings up points that not ignorant or.

00;40;41;09 - 00;40;42;28
Sarah
Oh no, no, are.

00;40;43;18 - 00;40;45;03
Mark
Like homophobic.

00;40;45;04 - 00;40;46;07
Sarah
They're not hateful.

00;40;46;14 - 00;40;47;05
Mark
They're not.

00;40;47;07 - 00;40;47;28
Sarah
They're completely.

00;40;47;28 - 00;40;48;15
Mark
Based.

00;40;48;15 - 00;40;52;03
Mark
Their moral quandary because of the.

00;40;52;05 - 00;40;53;22
Sarah
The rules of his face. Yeah.

00;40;53;22 - 00;40;54;25
Mark
The rules of his faith.

00;40;54;25 - 00;41;01;11
Sarah
Was he's which he's been taught are true. Yeah. Right. And they don't bend just because you want to bend them.

00;41;01;17 - 00;41;02;00
Mark
Yes.

00;41;02;08 - 00;41;17;04
Sarah
And that's he has to confront that right. Yeah. So Daisy knew Wendell a long, long time. Yeah. Right. She's known Wendell Thomas a long, long time. The brothers Thomas introduces Daisy to Eunice at the Strawberry Social at church?

00;41;17;04 - 00;41;27;21
Mark
Yes. Now, going back to Midsomer Murders, I sometimes forget how the episodes end. And I also forgot how this episode end. Yeah. So at this point in time, I'm like, it's dating the murder.

00;41;29;00 - 00;41;29;28
Mark
Did Daisy kill him.

00;41;29;28 - 00;41;35;11
Sarah
Because she wanted to burn cells like she introduced?

00;41;35;11 - 00;41;37;00
Mark
She loves him because.

00;41;37;02 - 00;41;49;06
Sarah
She introduced Eunice to Wendell, but she really loved Wendell. Is that what you're thinking? Yeah, because. Because nowhere in the universe does Daisy have any romantic interest. Like, why doesn't she marry Wendell?

00;41;49;06 - 00;41;50;03
Mark
I don't know.

00;41;50;06 - 00;41;52;26
Sarah
If she's known him. Why doesn't she marry Thomas?

00;41;52;26 - 00;41;54;01
Mark
I do not know.

00;41;54;05 - 00;41;56;01
Sarah
They don't mention that she's married.

00;41;56;02 - 00;41;56;15
Mark
No.

00;41;56;15 - 00;42;07;15
Sarah
Right. So, yeah, I can see why you would wonder that. So when Daisy meets Eunice, she goes, Oh, you're perfect for Wendell, right? Because Thomas has coached her.

00;42;07;16 - 00;42;07;29
Mark
Yes.

00;42;08;10 - 00;42;12;10
Sarah
To how to present herself as the perfect wife for Wendell?

00;42;12;10 - 00;42;18;17
Mark
Yes. Because apparently Wendell and Lawrence and Eunice were an item before this.

00;42;18;19 - 00;42;19;15
Sarah
You mean Thomas?

00;42;19;15 - 00;42;19;29
Mark
Thomas.

00;42;20;03 - 00;42;32;08
Sarah
Thomas and Eunice? Yes. Thomas and Eunice. And now Murdock has got to get on a train and go to Niagara to find out about you and his coach and coach, which means he's sitting on a wooden bench for how long?

00;42;32;20 - 00;42;33;22
Mark
Two and a half hours.

00;42;33;28 - 00;42;36;10
Sarah
That's a long time on a wooden Bendel.

00;42;36;21 - 00;42;38;03
Mark
Trains went 50 miles.

00;42;38;23 - 00;42;40;04
Mark
But that's true.

00;42;40;19 - 00;42;42;06
Mark
Ride your bike. You get there quicker.

00;42;42;08 - 00;42;51;13
Sarah
At least they were close. Talked by then. Yeah. You know, 30 or 40 years earlier in England they were open topped goods, trains. You just sat there and got bugs in your teeth.

00;42;51;14 - 00;42;52;04
Mark
The train.

00;42;52;04 - 00;42;52;26
Mark
Because you paid.

00;42;53;00 - 00;42;56;27
Sarah
Cheap prices. You sat in somebody's lap for 3 hours.

00;42;56;27 - 00;43;00;06
Mark
Insert shot of the falls. Yes.

00;43;00;06 - 00;43;01;23
Sarah
Because it snag.

00;43;02;01 - 00;43;03;23
Mark
Because now we're in Niagara.

00;43;03;24 - 00;43;06;03
Sarah
Yes. Has several A's in it. I learned.

00;43;06;03 - 00;43;10;04
Mark
Earlier that three days in that Guyra.

00;43;10;13 - 00;43;16;02
Sarah
Mrs. Schreyer, who was Eunice's former employer, has the worst best hat.

00;43;16;04 - 00;43;17;23
Mark
Oh, it's horrible.

00;43;17;24 - 00;43;22;15
Sarah
It's pretty. And then you look at it, and the more you look at it, the grosser it is.

00;43;22;21 - 00;43;23;19
Mark
Yeah, it's.

00;43;23;19 - 00;43;31;09
Sarah
Like straw, but like quilted straw and it's all like, bundled up sort of in like brain pattern.

00;43;31;09 - 00;43;34;02
Mark
Yeah, it's all smooshed head on.

00;43;34;08 - 00;43;36;04
Sarah
It's like a peacock, but not.

00;43;36;09 - 00;43;36;22
Mark
Yeah.

00;43;36;25 - 00;43;43;23
Sarah
Mrs. Schreyer refers to Eunice in the past tense, and you're like, Huh? And then she's like, You didn't know she died six months ago.

00;43;43;24 - 00;43;46;07
Mark
And Murdoch, like, Murdoch does.

00;43;46;21 - 00;43;49;01
Sarah
Know Murdoch gets a big lightbulb above his head.

00;43;49;05 - 00;43;55;26
Mark
To being like, Ha ha, he's got the scent. Yeah, let the dog see the rabbit, as Griffin Reid would say. Yeah.

00;43;56;03 - 00;44;04;06
Sarah
And we learn that Eunice and Bridget. Yes. Were together when Eunice died.

00;44;04;10 - 00;44;05;22
Mark
Hmm.

00;44;06;04 - 00;44;12;24
Mark
Now, at this point in time, I thought maybe Eunice went to visit Laurence and killed him.

00;44;13;09 - 00;44;19;14
Sarah
Hmm. Well, hold on to that thought. Yeah, because we need to talk about the real Eunice death.

00;44;19;19 - 00;44;20;22
Mark
Yes. Okay.

00;44;21;02 - 00;44;40;09
Sarah
Because Eunice and Bridget both worked for Mrs. Shier, right? Yeah. So Eunice and the real Eunice and Bridget both worked for Mrs. Shriver. Yeah, right. And they go to Niagara Falls together. Yeah. And Eunice dies, which she commits suicide with Bridget next to her.

00;44;40;09 - 00;44;51;09
Mark
Why? If you. If you've never been to Niagara Falls, you might think, how is that even possible? First of all, it would be incredibly easy to.

00;44;51;09 - 00;44;51;20
Mark
Do.

00;44;51;22 - 00;44;52;28
Sarah
Especially back then.

00;44;53;03 - 00;44;58;21
Mark
Even back then, there there isn't a lot of huge amount of protection.

00;44;59;03 - 00;45;13;24
Sarah
I mean, there's rails and stuff, right? Yeah, but they're not like insurmountable if you want to go over them. Hence why there were so many people going over Niagara Falls and barrels and all kinds of stuff back then, there wasn't a whole lot to stop you now. You weren't going to accidentally fall in.

00;45;13;24 - 00;45;19;27
Mark
Like, like most things in Canada, you go up the river like a mile and it's just open to the road.

00;45;20;18 - 00;45;21;13
Mark
Right? Yeah.

00;45;21;22 - 00;45;39;25
Sarah
So they're on the Canadian side of the falls, right? And how does that happen, though? Like, are they standing at the rail next to each other? And and Bridget says to Eunice, like, Hey, look down there. No, you got to bend over more, more, more, and then just grabs your petticoat and tips her over. I think she was suicidal.

00;45;39;25 - 00;45;40;08
Mark
Yep.

00;45;40;24 - 00;45;42;15
Mark
No one no saw either.

00;45;42;15 - 00;45;43;25
Mark
Yeah. Or Oh.

00;45;43;25 - 00;45;46;28
Sarah
I drop my handkerchief. Can you reach it? Reach a little further.

00;45;47;00 - 00;45;49;04
Mark
Reach a little further. I went.

00;45;49;04 - 00;45;49;15
Sarah
Over.

00;45;49;16 - 00;46;01;01
Mark
Probably because whenever any Canadian mentions the falls, they always mention how bad the American version of the falls is. So they were probably like. Isn't that horrible over there. Those Americans.

00;46;01;04 - 00;46;01;28
Sarah
Can you see it?

00;46;02;04 - 00;46;03;13
Mark
Can you see it bend over?

00;46;03;18 - 00;46;14;23
Sarah
You have to you have to like lean over a little bit more and then you can really see. Yeah, or maybe they were out on the Maid of the mist. They were out on that boat that goes to the bottom of the falls and she shoved her.

00;46;15;09 - 00;46;21;15
Mark
I did. What condition the boat would be left in dead.

00;46;21;15 - 00;46;22;13
Mark
It would be like.

00;46;22;29 - 00;46;24;19
Sarah
Logs strapped together.

00;46;24;19 - 00;46;26;26
Mark
You know, and you just have to hold on real tight.

00;46;27;11 - 00;46;28;22
Sarah
They wouldn't even give you a poncho.

00;46;28;22 - 00;46;30;07
Mark
Never got on the maid of mess.

00;46;30;08 - 00;46;30;23
Sarah
Oh, really?

00;46;30;23 - 00;46;33;02
Mark
Nope. Never gone in the Maid in the Mist.

00;46;33;11 - 00;46;43;19
Sarah
I haven't either. But everybody else I know who's been to Niagara Falls did it. You and I didn't. The one time we were there together. And actually, like, visited. Not she drove through. It was way.

00;46;43;19 - 00;46;44;29
Mark
Too cold to.

00;46;44;29 - 00;46;46;00
Sarah
Consider doing.

00;46;46;00 - 00;46;46;05
Mark
That.

00;46;46;05 - 00;47;01;06
Sarah
Definitely there was ice. Yeah. There's no way we would have done it, but it looks like it would be fine if or to even like at least go down to that platform at the base. Yeah. There are episodes later in Murdoc that we may or may not cover about people going over and barrels.

00;47;01;16 - 00;47;03;02
Mark
A woman gets her barrels stolen.

00;47;03;02 - 00;47;13;03
Sarah
Yes. And about other famous things about Niagara Falls. But there's nothing as far as I can remember in a later episode about weddings at Niagara Falls.

00;47;13;11 - 00;47;13;28
Mark
No.

00;47;13;28 - 00;47;23;15
Sarah
So since this episode is about a wedding and mentions Niagara Falls, I was like, it just occurred to me that I wanted to know why it was known as a place to get married.

00;47;23;16 - 00;47;27;15
Mark
Like the Poconos or Reno. It's known as a place to get married.

00;47;27;26 - 00;47;29;00
Sarah
Or at least honeymoon.

00;47;29;04 - 00;47;33;02
Mark
Now my brother married and went to Niagara Falls.

00;47;33;06 - 00;47;41;14
Sarah
It's a beautiful place to go. And it it's it's built as a destination now. Yes, but do you know how that got started?

00;47;41;14 - 00;47;42;06
Mark
No, I don't.

00;47;42;11 - 00;47;44;07
Sarah
I do. Do you want to know? Yes.

00;47;45;16 - 00;47;47;09
Mark
I'm not going as I am.

00;47;47;09 - 00;47;48;00
Mark
Maniac.

00;47;48;05 - 00;47;50;13
Mark
It's long before this. Okay.

00;47;50;26 - 00;48;09;12
Sarah
So in 1801. Okay, so 94 years before this, Murdoch, do you dosha and Joseph Alston? Theodosia was Aaron Burr's daughter, Aaron Burr, who was later vice president of the United States. Yes, they were. They were not poor.

00;48;09;12 - 00;48;10;28
Mark
People and involved in the.

00;48;11;06 - 00;48;12;05
Mark
Duel. Yes.

00;48;12;06 - 00;48;12;28
Mark
Very famous.

00;48;13;02 - 00;48;27;16
Sarah
Yes. Yeah. But she was quite the socialite. And when they got married, they took this big wagon trip, their honeymoon. Yeah. North and went to the Falls. And then it was, you know, everybody was talking about, oh, they went to the falls and she's very rich and special.

00;48;27;16 - 00;48;30;07
Mark
And there I want to I want to be just like utopia.

00;48;30;18 - 00;48;37;22
Sarah
So in 1804, Jerome Bonaparte, who is Napoleon's little brother, Jerome Bonaparte.

00;48;37;22 - 00;48;39;04
Mark
Jerome Jerome.

00;48;39;04 - 00;48;43;06
Sarah
Because, you know, you name your first kid, Napoleon, and your second one, Jerome.

00;48;43;06 - 00;48;43;28
Mark
Jerome.

00;48;44;08 - 00;49;04;15
Sarah
It does not work anyway. Jerry Jerry Bonaparte and his bride went there on their honeymoon, and he was a Bonaparte. So that was a really big deal. Yeah. And then it just became like something that people of money did. And then because they were doing that, then services popped up and then hotels popped up and then more people went.

00;49;04;15 - 00;49;09;01
Sarah
And now it's a honeymoon spot. Yeah, but it started with Theodosia Burr.

00;49;09;01 - 00;49;12;01
Mark
It's really kind of Las Vegas scene now.

00;49;12;02 - 00;49;17;10
Sarah
Now? Yeah. Yeah. Which side do you think is more Vegas? See the American or the Canadian side?

00;49;17;10 - 00;49;28;22
Mark
Oh, the American side is a hell on earth. It's not. It's not very Vegas, see at all. There's a like a mall of an outlet mall and kind of that's not about it.

00;49;28;25 - 00;49;36;16
Sarah
So all the good stuff's on the Canadian something good stuff because I don't really remember which side we were on when we were there. All the good it was where there was like a wax museum.

00;49;36;16 - 00;49;37;02
Mark
That's all.

00;49;37;12 - 00;49;41;05
Sarah
That was. The Canadian side. Yeah. So that's one cool thing Canadians have.

00;49;41;28 - 00;49;45;08
Mark
I, we also I've been tickled drunk.

00;49;45;08 - 00;49;51;02
Mark
Yes. I said, Wow. So.

00;49;51;11 - 00;49;52;02
Sarah
Bridget, should.

00;49;52;02 - 00;49;52;15
Mark
We pull.

00;49;52;15 - 00;49;56;21
Mark
Up to the border the next time the border guard will be like, according to this episode?

00;49;56;24 - 00;50;00;16
Sarah
Mark, you can come in. Sarah, you got to stay. Sorry. You got to stay home.

00;50;00;16 - 00;50;04;19
Mark
Got a mr. Maniac just got sucker punched each other.

00;50;04;19 - 00;50;06;04
Mark
We had Sarah written on it.

00;50;06;04 - 00;50;14;28
Sarah
And Marker under his uniform. So Bridget goes over the thought. No, I'm sorry. Eunice goes over the falls, and then Bridget takes over her Eunice's idea.

00;50;14;28 - 00;50;16;10
Mark
Which is crazy at this.

00;50;16;10 - 00;50;16;29
Sarah
Point. Oh, my.

00;50;16;29 - 00;50;18;07
Mark
It must have happened all the time.

00;50;18;07 - 00;50;21;13
Mark
You just showed up calling yourself whatever you want in person.

00;50;21;13 - 00;50;25;02
Mark
Now, there's no photos, like there's no photo IDs or any.

00;50;25;16 - 00;50;43;29
Sarah
One of the most famous con con women of this time is a woman who claims to be Andrew Carnegie's illegitimate daughter. And she does it by having some cards printed up that, say basically her name. And Andrew Carnegie's daughter. Yes. And gives them to people. And they believed her.

00;50;45;10 - 00;50;46;06
Mark
For the people.

00;50;46;07 - 00;50;46;22
Mark
And it wasn't.

00;50;46;22 - 00;50;47;26
Sarah
Even her real name.

00;50;47;27 - 00;50;52;09
Mark
Yep. For the people who've watched future episodes of Murdoch, we know that this is a plot point.

00;50;52;24 - 00;51;02;21
Sarah
Later. Yes. At 40 minutes and 15 seconds, we get another transition with the weird old timey black and white photo of Toronto that's been colorized.

00;51;02;21 - 00;51;09;16
Mark
Yes, with the people walking in it, walking weird. They do walk weird. I noticed them right away.

00;51;09;22 - 00;51;15;12
Sarah
There were there's like a tiny man and a tiny woman. Yeah. And they're walking on top of a photograph.

00;51;15;16 - 00;51;15;25
Mark
Yes.

00;51;15;25 - 00;51;18;15
Sarah
Down the sidewalk. And it's like they're hovering.

00;51;18;21 - 00;51;21;23
Mark
Yeah. And they move super fast. Did you see the.

00;51;21;23 - 00;51;29;01
Sarah
Little guy on the left? Yeah, the little individual guy. Yeah. Yeah. He moves weird to that. And then there's two wagons moving real slow.

00;51;29;06 - 00;51;31;09
Mark
Yep, it is. It is.

00;51;31;17 - 00;51;32;25
Mark
Why did they do that?

00;51;32;25 - 00;51;33;12
Mark
I don't.

00;51;33;12 - 00;51;33;20
Mark
Know.

00;51;33;20 - 00;51;37;22
Sarah
They have the B-roll of the people on the street. They don't need to use that photograph.

00;51;37;22 - 00;51;41;20
Mark
What I don't understand is they went to it again and again.

00;51;41;25 - 00;51;57;18
Sarah
Yeah. If. If you didn't notice it when you watched it first favor. Go back to like the 40 minute mark and watch for this little transition and look at the sidewalk on the bottom kind of right quarter of the photo and watch the the hovering people.

00;51;57;18 - 00;52;00;02
Mark
Who moved really fast down the sidewalk.

00;52;01;21 - 00;52;04;11
Sarah
It's kind of funny. It's kind of Monty Python looking.

00;52;04;14 - 00;52;04;25
Mark
Yeah.

00;52;04;25 - 00;52;05;24
Sarah
When you really stop.

00;52;05;24 - 00;52;06;20
Mark
And look at it.

00;52;06;29 - 00;52;14;27
Mark
Now, Murdoch gets the name of the woman in Niagara Falls from Geoffrey. They have a moment where Murdoch.

00;52;15;02 - 00;52;18;15
Sarah
Says, sorry, that shouldn't be strong, but we can still fix this for when.

00;52;18;15 - 00;52;19;11
Mark
We can fix this.

00;52;19;11 - 00;52;19;29
Mark
For Randall.

00;52;20;13 - 00;52;25;07
Mark
So we begin to see the beginnings of transformation of Murdoch.

00;52;25;07 - 00;52;29;13
Sarah
Yeah, right. Because he sees the Jeffrey as a black eye.

00;52;29;15 - 00;52;31;25
Mark
Yeah. And Jeffrey's, like, right up.

00;52;31;25 - 00;52;35;24
Sarah
Front, and that's a result of Murdoch turning his back. Yeah, I'm walking away.

00;52;35;25 - 00;52;36;22
Mark
Yes, it is.

00;52;36;25 - 00;52;39;21
Sarah
Because he could have stopped him. He could stop Barack and he didn't.

00;52;39;25 - 00;52;42;16
Mark
Candy girl fix herself up? Well, no, not.

00;52;42;20 - 00;52;46;14
Mark
Whoa, whoa, girl. Completely different person. Well, Mark.

00;52;46;14 - 00;52;49;21
Sarah
All you have to do is take your glasses off and put on lip gloss, and you're.

00;52;49;21 - 00;52;50;09
Mark
Beautiful.

00;52;50;09 - 00;52;51;01
Mark
That's what I.

00;52;51;01 - 00;52;58;20
Sarah
Do. Nobody will notice that you're pretty if you have glasses on me. She didn't take her hair down and, like, shake it.

00;52;58;26 - 00;53;01;10
Mark
Like, Oh, Mrs.. What's your face like.

00;53;01;12 - 00;53;02;07
Mark
On Star Trek?

00;53;02;08 - 00;53;05;07
Mark
You're a completely different person. Yes. What?

00;53;05;15 - 00;53;12;12
Sarah
Oh, gosh. What am I thinking of? It's in a Dobie song. Why? Why? Mrs. What's her face? You're beautiful.

00;53;12;14 - 00;53;12;28
Mark
Yes.

00;53;12;28 - 00;53;17;20
Sarah
You know what I'm talking about in that Thomas Dobie song. It's because she takes her glasses off and lets her hair down.

00;53;17;20 - 00;53;21;26
Mark
Yes, Well, eighties video weren't really the height of metaphor.

00;53;21;27 - 00;53;23;19
Mark
I would never recognize you.

00;53;24;09 - 00;53;30;10
Sarah
If only we could get away with that. If I could put my hair up and put glasses on like I do every day and nobody would know who I am.

00;53;30;10 - 00;53;32;19
Mark
Mrs. Kline is a con artist.

00;53;32;19 - 00;53;36;28
Sarah
Yes. She's one in Windsor, London and Cambridge, which are all in Canada.

00;53;36;28 - 00;53;41;09
Mark
Which I appreciate. They're all not only all in Canada.

00;53;41;09 - 00;53;44;00
Sarah
Which has no original names for places unless they're native.

00;53;44;00 - 00;53;45;09
Mark
They're all in the right order.

00;53;45;09 - 00;53;46;20
Sarah
They're all English places.

00;53;46;22 - 00;53;52;06
Mark
They're all in the right order from south to north towards Niagara Falls and Toronto.

00;53;52;07 - 00;53;56;21
Sarah
Okay. So she made her way from Niagara Falls to Toronto, committing crimes along the way.

00;53;56;29 - 00;54;09;27
Mark
She made her way from Windsor to London to Cambridge to Niagara Falls to Toronto. Oh, okay. That is the correct order, which means she obviously came from the place further south of Windsor.

00;54;09;29 - 00;54;12;07
Mark
You think she's from the United States?

00;54;12;07 - 00;54;13;28
Sarah
You think she came over from Detroit?

00;54;14;10 - 00;54;15;09
Mark
She's a Detroit.

00;54;15;09 - 00;54;15;22
Mark
Girl.

00;54;16;26 - 00;54;34;25
Sarah
I'll give you that. Maybe she came from Detroit. So the deal was that Eunice and Thomas had hooked up. Yeah, right. So she was supposed to marry Wendell, and then, oops, he fell over the falls on the honeymoon. So then she could marry Thomas. And together they owned the whole company.

00;54;35;00 - 00;54;39;06
Mark
And by the way, we don't want to make it like there are people jumping off the ball.

00;54;39;26 - 00;54;42;13
Sarah
Oh, no. They're just accidentally being pushed.

00;54;42;13 - 00;54;45;10
Mark
Oops.

00;54;45;10 - 00;54;47;10
Sarah
So poor Wendell was going to get it anyway.

00;54;47;10 - 00;54;50;07
Mark
Yeah, right. He was. He was bound to get it.

00;54;50;19 - 00;55;05;01
Sarah
But Eunice's mistake is she hooked her wagon to an idiot. Yeah, because Thomas is not too smart. He's supposed to kill him after the wedding, not before it. But he gets upset and whacks him with the big stick of glory or whatever it is.

00;55;05;01 - 00;55;06;23
Mark
This is what she says?

00;55;06;28 - 00;55;07;17
Mark
Yes.

00;55;07;17 - 00;55;15;28
Mark
I'm not sure he did anything. I think maybe she did it. And she's blaming him because she thinks that she's killed him with the heroin.

00;55;16;02 - 00;55;25;03
Sarah
So when he. But he doesn't die. So you think when he wakes up, he's going to call her out on it? But. But he was in on it. Yes, but he didn't him with the big cross.

00;55;25;09 - 00;55;25;22
Mark
No.

00;55;26;01 - 00;55;31;20
Sarah
But why would Eunice have done that? That would have been stupid for her to kill Wendell before they got married. I don't.

00;55;31;20 - 00;55;32;03
Mark
Know.

00;55;32;07 - 00;55;36;26
Sarah
But. But she, she makes Thomas out to be an idiot, and he doesn't contradict that.

00;55;36;27 - 00;55;41;15
Mark
There's no immediate inciting incident other than what happens with Thomas.

00;55;41;15 - 00;55;47;16
Sarah
He was going to cancel the wedding. Yeah, And he has to get married. Then Thomas, instead of convincing him to get married.

00;55;47;17 - 00;55;48;14
Mark
Just beat them to.

00;55;48;14 - 00;55;49;26
Sarah
Death. Well, I'm just going to hit you.

00;55;50;01 - 00;55;51;02
Mark
That makes no sense.

00;55;51;02 - 00;55;53;01
Sarah
Why doesn't Thomas just marry Eunice?

00;55;53;11 - 00;55;57;05
Mark
Because they wouldn't get Lawrence as part of the company. No.

00;55;57;05 - 00;55;57;26
Sarah
Okay. No.

00;55;58;19 - 00;55;59;11
Mark
They wouldn't get it.

00;55;59;13 - 00;56;02;07
Sarah
And you keep getting this name mixed up. Wendell is the dead guy.

00;56;02;07 - 00;56;05;10
Mark
Yes. Okay. They wouldn't have Windows part of the company.

00;56;05;10 - 00;56;11;00
Sarah
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's true. But they're not going to get it by killing Harrison anyway.

00;56;11;00 - 00;56;14;12
Mark
I don't think Wendell was really involved in the business.

00;56;14;12 - 00;56;16;26
Sarah
He doesn't want to be. Yeah, he says he doesn't, so he.

00;56;16;26 - 00;56;18;03
Mark
Kind of has it already.

00;56;18;03 - 00;56;24;26
Sarah
Anyway, I want to do is like, give him an allowance or something. He'll probably stay out of the business anyway. Yeah, because he wants to just go to the tennis club.

00;56;24;26 - 00;56;25;05
Mark
Yeah.

00;56;25;11 - 00;56;33;23
Sarah
He doesn't want to be running a business because he's got about. Yes. Then Murdock has to admit to Father Connolly that he said nothing about the Reverend.

00;56;34;02 - 00;56;40;09
Mark
Yeah, and this is a direct contradiction. To what? Like he's supposed to arrest him right then and there?

00;56;40;09 - 00;56;48;14
Sarah
Yeah, but Father Connolly doesn't know. The man of cloth that Murdock is referring to is a Presbyterian reverend. He doesn't.

00;56;48;14 - 00;56;49;22
Mark
Know. Yeah, because.

00;56;49;22 - 00;56;52;28
Sarah
He just knows he's a man of the cloth. It could have been another priest.

00;56;52;28 - 00;57;03;18
Mark
It would have sounded incredibly callous if Father Connolly. Good said. Well, is he Catholic or Protestant? Get my hands like, you.

00;57;04;12 - 00;57;04;23
Mark
Know.

00;57;04;23 - 00;57;09;27
Sarah
If he's Catholic, cover it up. Maybe as a Protestant, arrest him. He can't say.

00;57;09;27 - 00;57;10;03
Mark
That.

00;57;10;03 - 00;57;12;20
Mark
Word says I can't follow blindly.

00;57;12;20 - 00;57;14;24
Mark
Yeah, that's you.

00;57;14;24 - 00;57;16;16
Sarah
That's a big deal. That's Murdock.

00;57;16;22 - 00;57;17;10
Mark
Deal.

00;57;17;10 - 00;57;22;29
Sarah
That's Murdock changing quite a bit. Yeah, but not as much as he changes with the taco truck.

00;57;22;29 - 00;57;28;20
Mark
And Brack and. And Reed has a moment of of thought, too.

00;57;28;29 - 00;57;36;01
Sarah
Yeah, Mike, maybe things do need to change, but they haven't changed yet. Yeah. So we have to deal with things the way with the hand that we're dealt.

00;57;36;01 - 00;57;42;29
Mark
We have to also admit that this is a little pat on the back of is in things better now than the bad old days.

00;57;42;29 - 00;57;43;13
Mark
Yes.

00;57;43;26 - 00;57;44;05
Sarah
Right.

00;57;44;19 - 00;57;54;27
Mark
Yes. It is wonderful How it is better now we're speaking in Canada. I'm not going to get into the silliness that's happening in the United States. Oh.

00;57;55;10 - 00;57;56;10
Sarah
Okay. No, we're not.

00;57;56;19 - 00;58;02;03
Mark
But this is a a little bit of Canadian back pat back patting self back patting.

00;58;02;04 - 00;58;04;09
Sarah
Yeah. We got better.

00;58;04;20 - 00;58;21;14
Mark
For the research for the episode. I was like, oh, research you know when Canadian early Canadian pioneers and early Canadian politicians and was incredibly sad. How much has changed in my lifetime.

00;58;21;14 - 00;58;29;01
Sarah
Did you think that gay rights would have progressed more before, in the years before you were born than they did? Are you surprised at how late it happened?

00;58;29;01 - 00;58;31;13
Mark
I was surprised how late it happened in Canada.

00;58;31;13 - 00;58;31;22
Mark
Yeah.

00;58;32;00 - 00;58;34;05
Sarah
And it happened too late everywhere.

00;58;34;05 - 00;58;57;17
Mark
It happened too late everywhere. And it's a switch that's like, never again. Am I going to believe, even in America, that things can't change overnight because gay marriage, when I moved where I immigrated in 99, to think that gay marriage would happen in my lifetime in the United States, I didn't think it would happen. And then like five years later.

00;58;57;24 - 00;58;59;26
Sarah
Unfortunately, things can switch the other way overnight.

00;58;59;26 - 00;59;12;17
Mark
Two things switch still way overnight. Also, unless you're in the rest of the world that has seemed to have intelligence and, you know, compassion and things like that. Yes, we're kind of.

00;59;12;17 - 00;59;14;02
Mark
Down on the U.S. today.

00;59;14;07 - 00;59;17;00
Sarah
No, no. Just you don't get better.

00;59;17;03 - 00;59;17;17
Mark
It'll get.

00;59;17;17 - 00;59;24;27
Sarah
Better. But in the meantime, you know, we at least get to think that the characters in the show are more progressive than their time.

00;59;24;27 - 00;59;25;13
Mark
Yes.

00;59;25;17 - 00;59;39;25
Sarah
Right. And that the average person, if they are the average people, we're more more progressive and compassionate than the society as a whole was. Right. Individuals were more understanding. Yes. Than maybe society was. Yes. But still.

00;59;39;25 - 00;59;40;08
Mark
The technology.

00;59;40;10 - 00;59;47;05
Mark
And this, like Murdoch from the very beginning, deals with social issues and deals with them in a progressive way.

00;59;47;06 - 01;00;03;06
Sarah
Always from the very beginning, very beginning. Yeah, from the very beginning. There's a nod going now. We know they were kind of backward back then, but we're not like that anymore, right? Yeah, right. Okay. And for us to like these characters, they have to be a little bit more like us than they would have been in reality.

01;00;03;07 - 01;00;03;20
Mark
Yes.

01;00;04;01 - 01;00;05;00
Sarah
For us to like them.

01;00;05;00 - 01;00;05;12
Mark
Yes.

01;00;05;18 - 01;00;07;14
Sarah
But we have to end this on a high note.

01;00;07;21 - 01;00;10;09
Mark
Best corpse.

01;00;10;09 - 01;00;12;28
Sarah
Wendell didn't get it because he can't keep his hands still.

01;00;12;29 - 01;00;14;14
Mark
No, it's got to be Lawrence.

01;00;14;17 - 01;00;15;12
Mark
I don't even know if.

01;00;15;12 - 01;00;16;00
Sarah
You can count.

01;00;16;00 - 01;00;19;00
Mark
Boris, which is a corpse. And it's got to be.

01;00;19;06 - 01;00;20;09
Sarah
He's a pair of pants.

01;00;20;09 - 01;00;21;16
Mark
It's got to be Wendell.

01;00;21;17 - 01;00;24;10
Sarah
You know what? I'm giving it to the real Eunice.

01;00;24;16 - 01;00;25;03
Mark
Oh, okay.

01;00;25;10 - 01;00;28;26
Mark
Yeah, because I'm imagining her corpse, and it's.

01;00;28;26 - 01;00;29;20
Sarah
Better than those.

01;00;29;21 - 01;00;30;05
Mark
Still.

01;00;31;15 - 01;00;39;00
Sarah
After the credits for Mrs. Merrick is more pissed off than ever with her son, because now she's got to run the whole damn company.

01;00;39;03 - 01;00;43;13
Mark
Whatever business that is, she's running it by herself. She should hire Daisy.

01;00;43;19 - 01;00;44;14
Mark
Yeah, Really?

01;00;44;19 - 01;00;55;13
Sarah
She is in charge. Yeah, I think Father Frank's is going to be fine. Yeah, I think so. I think Eunice is definitely going to go to jail. Yeah, I think Thomas is probably going to go to jail, too.

01;00;55;14 - 01;00;56;21
Mark
I think they're both.

01;00;56;21 - 01;00;58;20
Sarah
Going once he wakes up from his heroin.

01;00;58;20 - 01;01;01;22
Mark
Overdose. Wow. He's going to go to jail.

01;01;01;23 - 01;01;07;14
Sarah
Old Dan is probably old Dan now and his stories lying about where he finds stuff.

01;01;07;14 - 01;01;14;07
Mark
And Jeffrey goes on to find a partner that gives him nothing but happiness or a life that gives them nothing but happiness.

01;01;14;07 - 01;01;26;28
Sarah
As they point out in the episode, The person I think feel most sorry for is Lawrence Braxton's wife, Cecile. Yeah, because she's now a single mother in an era where single mothers did not fare well.

01;01;26;29 - 01;01;27;25
Mark
And unless.

01;01;27;25 - 01;01;28;06
Sarah
You were her.

01;01;28;06 - 01;01;31;08
Mark
Husband committed suicide. Yeah, everybody would have known that.

01;01;31;08 - 01;01;35;07
Sarah
Yeah, unless you were incredibly wealthy. She is in trouble.

01;01;35;07 - 01;01;37;08
Mark
She is the subject of whispers.

01;01;37;14 - 01;01;38;25
Sarah
And has no money, has.

01;01;38;25 - 01;01;39;02
Mark
No.

01;01;39;02 - 01;01;45;29
Sarah
Money, no source of income. Unless she's got a family to go back to know she's in the in the worst spot. Yeah. Which is too.

01;01;45;29 - 01;01;47;00
Mark
Bad.

01;01;47;00 - 01;01;49;12
Sarah
We struggle struggling to end on a high note here.

01;01;49;13 - 01;01;51;14
Mark
Horrible movie. I don't have any horrible movie.

01;01;51;14 - 01;01;57;11
Mark
I have one for you. But yes, I cannot believe you missed this movie.

01;01;57;11 - 01;01;58;22
Mark
Okay, so.

01;01;58;22 - 01;02;03;17
Mark
This is a movie that has Lachlan Murdoch in it. So this is.

01;02;04;17 - 01;02;05;02
Sarah
Henry.

01;02;05;02 - 01;02;08;00
Mark
Henry, I cannot believe you missed this movie.

01;02;08;06 - 01;02;08;29
Mark
Okay.

01;02;09;07 - 01;02;16;25
Mark
So this is Henry's first acting credit. It received six out of ten on IMDB.

01;02;16;27 - 01;02;20;25
Sarah
That's why I didn't do it, because I only do movies that are less than five.

01;02;21;04 - 01;02;21;20
Mark
Okay?

01;02;21;21 - 01;02;23;01
Sarah
Because that makes them horrible.

01;02;23;02 - 01;02;25;11
Mark
Oh, this movie's horrible.

01;02;25;11 - 01;02;26;27
Sarah
Apparently not that horrible.

01;02;27;13 - 01;02;27;19
Mark
Oh.

01;02;28;11 - 01;02;35;08
Mark
This movie, the the. The synopsis is a group of friends cheat their way through high school.

01;02;35;09 - 01;02;35;21
Sarah
Okay.

01;02;36;05 - 01;02;39;20
Mark
Lachlan Murdoch plays a character named Horny.

01;02;39;27 - 01;02;40;13
Mark
Horny?

01;02;40;20 - 01;02;42;01
Sarah
Yeah, Horny. Henry.

01;02;42;08 - 01;02;42;26
Mark
No, no.

01;02;42;28 - 01;02;46;14
Sarah
I know he's smart. He's Henry. In the show and he's horny in the movie.

01;02;47;02 - 01;03;01;22
Mark
One person in their review of this movie said the the the title of the review is a banal rework of earlier, banal high school school. High school movies.

01;03;01;22 - 01;03;05;15
Sarah
Wow So it's a bad version of bad movies.

01;03;05;15 - 01;03;12;25
Mark
Yes. This review ends with the following sentence. One feels a sense of pity for his future wife, Jill.

01;03;13;25 - 01;03;17;12
Mark
Oh, who's.

01;03;17;12 - 01;03;18;15
Sarah
Going to marry horny?

01;03;18;21 - 01;03;20;07
Mark
Wow. Nobody.

01;03;20;08 - 01;03;23;19
Sarah
Nobody. And I'm supposed to guess the name of this movie? No.

01;03;23;20 - 01;03;24;28
Mark
I know. You have no idea.

01;03;24;28 - 01;03;27;21
Sarah
I have no idea. I. What's it called? This? Cheaters.

01;03;27;22 - 01;03;30;15
Mark
It's called cheaters. Oh, I got it.

01;03;30;20 - 01;03;30;29
Mark
Yeah, I.

01;03;30;29 - 01;03;31;20
Mark
Played for.

01;03;31;20 - 01;03;36;08
Mark
You. Got it.

01;03;36;08 - 01;03;38;23
Sarah
It's not like last week's Blue Monkey about bugs.

01;03;39;03 - 01;03;40;13
Mark
Which I had seen.

01;03;40;22 - 01;03;41;23
Sarah
But you didn't remember.

01;03;41;23 - 01;03;45;18
Mark
I don't remember. I stole the him story. I was like, Oh, yeah, I saw that.

01;03;45;22 - 01;03;46;28
Sarah
Still a point for me. Yeah, it's.

01;03;46;28 - 01;03;55;04
Mark
Still a play for you. But yeah, I went through Lachlan Murdoch filmography and I saw that he was named.

01;03;55;06 - 01;03;57;12
Mark
Horny in a movie called.

01;03;57;12 - 01;04;01;04
Mark
Cheaters. I watched the trailer.

01;04;01;05 - 01;04;03;08
Mark
To see.

01;04;03;08 - 01;04;08;18
Mark
Which I know you'll be surprised had trouble finding a theatrical release.

01;04;08;18 - 01;04;08;27
Mark
Date.

01;04;09;05 - 01;04;12;04
Sarah
Would you recommend people check out this trailer?

01;04;12;04 - 01;04;12;25
Mark
No.

01;04;12;25 - 01;04;15;07
Mark
Yeah, the trailer maybe.

01;04;15;15 - 01;04;16;04
Sarah
Okay.

01;04;16;11 - 01;04;21;29
Mark
It looks like both horrible and like, boring.

01;04;21;29 - 01;04;22;17
Mark
It looks like.

01;04;23;02 - 01;04;26;18
Mark
Had a bunch of high school students cheating and.

01;04;27;07 - 01;04;28;20
Sarah
Like, being dumb.

01;04;28;23 - 01;04;31;25
Mark
Yeah, like, Oh, it's just horrific.

01;04;31;25 - 01;04;33;01
Sarah
So. Well, I got a point.

01;04;33;17 - 01;04;37;29
Mark
You got a point? Oh, I brought a horrible movie back, man.

01;04;37;29 - 01;04;39;18
Sarah
See? You thought you were going to get me.

01;04;39;19 - 01;04;40;10
Mark
I did.

01;04;40;11 - 01;04;41;21
Sarah
You didn't get me. I guess.

01;04;41;21 - 01;04;41;29
Mark
To.

01;04;43;01 - 01;04;47;11
Mark
See the cheaters, the A in the T in cheaters is a plus.

01;04;48;03 - 01;04;53;28
Mark
Oh, so clever. Oh, it's all clever. Not not clever.

01;04;54;04 - 01;04;57;15
Sarah
What's our next episode? Season one Episode six is.

01;04;57;15 - 01;05;01;12
Mark
Let loose to the dogs where we find out some background about.

01;05;01;28 - 01;05;02;19
Mark
Interest.

01;05;02;22 - 01;05;04;21
Mark
His father makes an appearance.

01;05;04;21 - 01;05;09;02
Sarah
Oh, interesting. Yeah. All right. Well, until then.

01;05;09;12 - 01;05;31;27
Mark
You can find mystery maniacs on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and email. Don't forget, all merch sales are going to target ovarian cancer on an organization that has also been very helpful to us. Yeah, and very nice and very pleased that what we're doing. So we've already been in contact with them and they're super excited for what we're doing.

01;05;31;27 - 01;05;32;28
Mark
So likewise.

01;05;32;28 - 01;05;37;08
Mark
Yeah, YouTube like Subscribe Hit the Bell and Bye.

01;05;37;08 - 01;05;54;12
Sarah
Maniacs. Bye Mania.

01;05;54;12 - 01;05;56;10
Mark
Totally right down the middle of the hill.

01;05;56;24 - 01;05;58;09
Mark
Nothing wrong with the sidewalk. He's it's.

01;05;58;09 - 01;06;01;02
Mark
Good sidewalk.