Mystery Maniacs

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Sarah
On the water cell in harm's way. We squeezed it, squeezing it.

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Mark
We have a more important thing to talk about.

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Sarah
More important than lung water and transplant.

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Mark
Yes.

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Sarah
Hey, maniac.

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Mark
Hey, mystery man.

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Sarah
Welcome to Mystery Maniacs. I'm Sarah.

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Mark
I'm Mark. Mystery Maniacs is a comedy recap podcast dedicated to mystery TV. Each week, we dig into an episode of the show, including the murders, the man, the loonies, and everything else. We love.

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Sarah
Zany.

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Mark
Zany.

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Sarah
You use zany this week to describe an episode like that? Yeah. Zany kind of loony is one thing, but Zany kind of captures.

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Mark
If you haven't watched the the first episode of Brokenwood and the trailer for the new season of Brokenwood. Zany is the word.

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Mark
Yes.

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Sarah
Today we're covering Murdoch. Season one, Episode eight Still Waters. We are going to spoil this. Yes. If you have not seen this episode and you don't want to know who the killer is, don't listen.

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Mark
And if you can walk through the your children can walk through the forest with an ex-spouse of yours and talk about spanking, then you.

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Sarah
Then they can listen.

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Mark
You can listen to this episode.

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Sarah
They weren't married. It wasn't Julia's ex-spouse.

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Mark
So, no.

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Sarah
Actually, that's a bit more serious.

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Mark
What goes on in Sherbrooke stays in Sherbrooke. Originally aired on the ninth May 28, directed by Don Mcbrearty Rarity b r e, a, r, t Y, Brodie Brodie and Derek Schreier.

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Sarah
I say that like definitively, Mike. I know, but that's what I'm going with.

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Mark
Hey, we're trying to raise money, as much money as possible for Target ovarian cancer. It's ovarian cancer month right now and we're also going to match whatever you purchase.

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Sarah
Based on merch and donation.

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Mark
If you.

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Sarah
Get a shirt.

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Mark
We don't have Murdoch stuff. There's stickers you can get you can get t shirts with the show logo on them. And also, if you haven't watched Midsomer, Hey, it's a heck of a show. Yeah. And then you'll get all the jokes.

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Mark
That's the.

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Mark
Jokes.

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Sarah
But today, Dead ringers.

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Mark
Yes. So this is episode eight of season one. Still watch.

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Sarah
Which we've already said, baby.

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Mark
Oh, we did. Yes. Okay.

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Sarah
Yes. And you said when it aired and who directed it? Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

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Mark
I'm getting the brain right. It's.

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Sarah
It's that mean your brain's getting right?

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Mark
No arthritis of the brain.

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Sarah
Oh, okay. Right. It's brain is.

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Mark
Right. His brain is Broca's.

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Sarah
Okay. This is the first of many episodes to come in, Murdoch, where kids find somebody dead in water at the beginning of an episode.

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Mark
It is a common theme. So much so they play on it. It's a robot later. Yeah.

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Sarah
And another season. But these kids are playing hide and seek.

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Mark
Yes.

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Sarah
And they find.

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Mark
A dead.

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Sarah
Man.

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Mark
So they still used reference to hide and seek. I can find is a Greek game called Apple Dead Rats. Kinda.

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Sarah
What?

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Mark
That's what it's called.

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Sarah
Apo did rest. Kinda.

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Mark
Yes. AP odi ID ask India.

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Sarah
Hey Bobby, do you want to go play Apple or is kinda.

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Mark
One apple risking.

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Sarah
Death? I'll be too. You'll be risking that? Is that what we're saying?

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Mark
Julius Pollocks in the second century wrote about it. He's a Greek writer.

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Sarah
I thought you were going to say Julius Caesar, plain apple risk kind of stuff.

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Mark
Well, he might have. It's Giles. Yeah, but he was Roman.

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Sarah
So Caligula might have played it.

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Mark
He was also Rome.

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Sarah
Here, I'll hide a giant poisonous snake in your pants. You see if you can find it.

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Mark
There was a painting discovered in Herculaneum that had kids playing hide and seek.

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Sarah
Oh. How did they know they were playing hide and seek? Was there a kid leaning against a tree covering his eyes? Was there a speech balloon with numbers in it?

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Mark
It's amazing what you could find. I read loads of Roman Greek.

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Sarah
V i v i. Hi there.

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Mark
I come.

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Sarah
Who's got it right? His brain is now I get of Greek and Roman mixed stuff.

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Mark
So there's a common thing that I'm actually going to provide a service for a couple of times. This episode, most people who arrive in Toronto who are not used to Toronto say seagulls, because we're in the middle of the continent. Yeah. And Toronto, though, is near Lake Ontario, which is a giant lake. If you're not used to the great Lakes, you think, Oh, they're lakes like the lake.

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Mark
In my neighborhood.

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Sarah
There are gulls that are not sea gulls.

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Mark
Oh, I know the lake that I grew. I think seagulls.

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Sarah
I think there's ah, I think there's a thing that's like. There is no such thing as a seagull.

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Mark
Yeah, it's. It is.

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Sarah
We get you are Indiana.

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Mark
Your absolute only Correct but I've been in Toronto with people from not from Toronto. Yeah but like seagulls.

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Sarah
They underestimate the size of the lake in fact that they're connected and they do lead to the ocean eventually.

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Mark
Yes. What do you do when you find a dead dude? Runaway phone. Come with this. Dead.

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Sarah
Well, yeah. You got to come with a stick.

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Mark
With a.

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Sarah
Stick. You got to say, sir, sir. And then you come with a stick.

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Mark
Yeah. So just remember, if you're going to scare the crap out of little kids by playing dead, get through the serpent or the madam part.

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Sarah
And then hop up before they poke.

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Mark
You with the snow. Even go through the poke with the stick part and then hop up. Oh, you got it.

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Sarah
Depends how hard they poke you.

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Mark
It's hilarious.

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Sarah
Oh, I don't want to float face down in water long enough for some kids to find me to snorkel or something. Meanwhile, back at the cop shop, Murdoch has a prototype of a lie detector machine.

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Mark
And this is where Murdoch is getting good with screening.

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Sarah
Home? Yes. Yeah. This is one of many, many times when Murdoch, quote, invents something and quote ahead of it's reality or he's up with the times of what scientists are doing elsewhere and trying it on his own or something.

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Mark
Now, long time listeners may have known that I did dissertation work on deception, which included machine deception detection, which is why we have a lie detector.

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Sarah
So it's about four feet away from me right now.

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Mark
Yes, it makes this noise when it starts up, which is excellent.

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Sarah
You use that sound before I.

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Mark
Let you use that sound before.

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Sarah
Well, but what he's invented is a new monograph. Yes. Which is different than a polygraph. Yes. In that it only detects your breathing rate.

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Mark
Yes. So this is all under the guise of instruments to detect physiological.

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Sarah
Signs of stress related x.

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Mark
Ray, deleted to lie.

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Sarah
What if you just hold your breath?

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Mark
All of these things have ways to be beaten.

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Sarah
But this numerous. You just hold your breath.

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Mark
Just hold your breath.

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Sarah
Or do really deep, slow breathing. Oh.

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Mark
I do that.

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Sarah
I'm not lying.

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Mark
I do not want to do my blood pressure thing, which is why I get so immersed all the time.

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Sarah
Speaking of that. Yes, I have something for you. Oh, okay. I would like you to pronounce this word.

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Mark
It's the big moment. Menominee. Her.

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Sarah
What? You want to try again?

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Mark
The sprig. Sprig. Whole rigmarole. Menominee.

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Sarah
That is the name. The scientific name for a blood pressure gas.

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Mark
Okay.

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Sarah
Signal nanometer.

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Mark
That's what I said. Straight moment ometer. Yeah, it's big Mo Menominee.

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Mark
That's what you.

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Sarah
Did it pretty good job. I did the second time.

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Mark
Yes.

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Sarah
It's an unnecessarily fancy word for blood pressure. Coughs.

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Mark
It is indeed. Sigma. Oh, hand me the big moment Ometer.

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Mark
Yeah.

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Sarah
So they talk a little bit about other ways to detect lying.

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Mark
Okay. They talk about the most typical ways that people say, like, there was a show about a lie detector guy on Fox a number of years ago, and they went through all these.

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Sarah
Things that lie to me, show, yeah.

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Mark
Lie to.

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Sarah
Me. They pass an egg around. Yeah, you suck, right? Yeah. Well, I read an article from 1939 on the history of lie detection all the way back to B.C times.

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Mark
Nice.

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Sarah
And extracted a few tasty examples. Okay. That were not mentioning the episode.

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Mark
As as I mentioned to you, I think I've read this article when I was doing my dissertation work, but I could have forgotten all of it.

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Sarah
So the first one that I found that I thought was fun is from a Vedic Papyrus 900 B.C.. Okay, okay. Specifically about how to find a poisoner to see if a poisoner is lying.

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Mark
Okay.

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Sarah
I don't know why it's so specific. I don't know if you need a different lie detector and, you know, techniques for different kinds of lies. That would be kind of complicated, I think. But and I quote, okay, a person who gives poison may be recognized. He does not answer questions or they are evasive answers. He speaks nonsense, rubs the great toe along the ground and shivers.

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Sarah
He now is that his big toe or is that like the great toe?

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Mark
No, it's like.

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Mark
Okay.

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Sarah
His face is discolored. He rubs the roots of his hair with his fingers and he tries by every means to leave the house.

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Mark
That's all liars.

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Sarah
So if you see somebody rubbing their big toe on the ground and they keep trying to leave, they might be a place in or maybe, I don't know, they might have stabbed somebody, but, you know, move it.

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Mark
Not your great.

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Sarah
Oh, yeah. Like if you rub it on the ceiling, you're probably okay. But if you rub it on the floor, all poisoner poisoner.

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Mark
Great total poisoner.

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Sarah
Or if you were in the north of Bengal at about the same time, you might have had to endure the red hot iron ordeal.

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Mark
Oh, this is not good.

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Sarah
Do you want to guess what it is?

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Mark
I think you had to hold on to a red hot iron. And if you let go, you were lying. But if you held on, you spoke the truth.

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Sarah
That's a later version. And what it actually was, was you had to hold it, hold on to it. And if you didn't blister, you were telling the truth. But if you did blister, you were a liar. It's like drowning the hole.

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Mark
Which is catch 22 instead, which floats.

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Sarah
Yeah. Now, the red hot iron ordeal at this time was you had to prove your innocence by touching your tongue to a red hot iron nine times. If it burned you, you were put to death.

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Mark
That bad as are to read that.

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Sarah
So if your mouth is real spit, it wouldn't burn you. Yeah, right. But if it was dry, it would probably be more likely to burn you.

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Mark
That's the reasoning behind it.

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Sarah
So the idea is that liars have dry air mouths because they're nervous?

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Mark
Yes, I think so.

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Sarah
I think I'd be nervous if you were going to touch my tongue with a red hot iron nine.

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Mark
Times that bad that.

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Sarah
Of course.

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Mark
Bad burden. It had better.

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Sarah
Harvey, I.

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Mark
Know.

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Sarah
You're nervous. Of course. If it burns you before the ninth time you were put to death.

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Mark
To.

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Sarah
Serve it with boiling. Really? The first time you.

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Mark
Reached that point where they're like this or you're put to death. Yeah. You've failed somewhere.

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Sarah
Yeah, I've saved the best for last, though.

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Mark
Okay.

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Sarah
This is from around 600 B.C.. I was not able to determine where. I'm sorry, but it was called the Ordeal of balance.

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Mark
Okay.

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Sarah
So you were put on a scale, and on the other side was a counterbalance that equally balanced you out. So it weighed the same as you. Okay. Okay. Then you get off the scale and the judge would deliver an exhortation about your crimes, about what you're accused of.

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Mark
Okay.

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Sarah
Then you got back on the scale. And if you were found to be lighter than before, you were innocent.

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Mark
That makes no sense at all. It's not scientific.

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Sarah
But can you guess why it might have worked? Well, maybe not accurately, but why some people might have been acquitted.

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Mark
You sweat more? Maybe. I don't know. I don't know.

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Sarah
Like you stand there sweating.

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Mark
I guess I would.

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Sarah
So the theory based on metabolic research is that you basically lose about 12 grams an hour constantly just through metabolism. So if you're not eating while you're standing there drinking a bunch of water or whatever, which you certainly would not want to do. Right. You might even be trying to take your clothes off standing there.

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Mark
Give me a while to go to the bathroom.

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Mark
Yeah.

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Sarah
If the judge went on longer, you were more likely to weigh less by the time you got on the scale.

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Mark
Oh.

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Sarah
So if you were smart, what you'd argue about while the judge was doing his thing, thereby making it a longer period of time before you got back on the scale. And it was a very, very precise scale, apparently. So you could.

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Mark
Exist at that time?

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Sarah
Oh, I think so. That's where there was a weird one from Africa, where all the people who might have done it had to stand in a circle. And this they called him a witchdoctor, went into a trance and would randomly lunge at people and nuzzle their necks and smile at them. Yeah. And then he would go back into the trance and then he would do it again.

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Sarah
And sometimes it took hours and hours.

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Mark
Yeah.

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Sarah
But then he would officially, eventually he would smell somebody and say they did it.

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Mark
Yeah, I remember hearing about that.

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Sarah
When that one might work, the longer you stand there, the more nervous you might get, the more you might sweat. And he's just looking for the stinky person. Maybe you're the stinky host in the ring. You did it, and now you weigh less. I'm glad that we don't rely on those things anymore.

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Mark
Yes, so am I. And I'm also glad we don't make misogynistic jokes like Brackenbury does.

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Sarah
That his wife is a lie detector. Maybe it's just that he's a bad liar.

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Mark
I love Margaret. So anything that says.

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Sarah
Margaret, I can read anything.

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Mark
That says bad things about Margaret. I don't like.

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Sarah
Him.

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Mark
He should be happy.

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Sarah
But poor Murdock is strapped into his own device. Did he.

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Mark
Talk himself.

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Sarah
Into. No. Crabtree helped him, obviously. And then Juliet comes in and they're like, Oh, that's a Julia. Talk about hazing.

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Mark
Yeah, there's a total hazing.

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Sarah
He did this to himself, though. Yeah, he should have put Henry in the chair. Instructor Man Yes. Henry is a wee baby in this scene. You see really how young he is.

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Mark
Why he is that we, baby 22 Ontario Street would have been an actual address in old Toronto. I know where it's between Adelaide and King Street.

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Sarah
Is it a good neighborhood?

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Mark
Oh, yes. Super nice.

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Sarah
Neighborhood. Don't we. Don't know what it was like then.

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Mark
No, but.

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Sarah
That's where Murdoch says he lives.

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Mark
You know, a little street that goes between King and Adelaide.

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Sarah
So let's go back to the dead body.

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Mark
You go every Sunday. Oh, George is just perfect in this episode.

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Sarah
Oh, he is.

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Mark
He's so good. He's fantastic. Saved by the whistle. And I love how Murdoch is. Get me out of here.

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Sarah
Oh, yeah. Yes. He's not going to get left behind. It's trapped in.

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Mark
And we find at the scene of the crime Richard Hartley.

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Sarah
Is doing some good dead body acting here.

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Mark
Doing some face.

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Sarah
He even gets rolled over.

00;16;11;04 - 00;16;15;27
Mark
Tastic dead body. I love how Julie is like I know everyone involved now.

00;16;16;01 - 00;16;23;01
Sarah
Yes. These are all rich, fancy people, so I know them all. He's a member of the rowing team? Yes. At the rowing club?

00;16;23;07 - 00;16;23;21
Mark
Yes.

00;16;23;24 - 00;16;24;16
Sarah
Fancy schmancy.

00;16;24;16 - 00;16;30;03
Mark
And he has a fiancee with the most fantastic name. Minerva Fairchild.

00;16;30;13 - 00;16;33;08
Sarah
It is very much a Richie Rich name.

00;16;33;08 - 00;16;41;13
Mark
It is either a Richie Rich name or that's the old lady who lives in the woods. She's away Two years. My Acme.

00;16;41;16 - 00;16;42;16
Sarah
Minerva.

00;16;42;18 - 00;16;43;12
Mark
Minerva.

00;16;43;26 - 00;17;02;23
Sarah
She's played by Charlotte Sullivan. She is so beautiful. She's unfairly pretty. It's not it's not fair for people to be that pretty. But she can't stop smoking constantly. That's all she does is stand around on the bleachers for the rowing club and smoke in a very roughly dress.

00;17;02;29 - 00;17;03;18
Mark
Yes.

00;17;03;29 - 00;17;06;20
Sarah
Like she looks like a fluffy ice cream cone all the time.

00;17;07;15 - 00;17;15;02
Mark
There on the men's eight, getting ready for the upcoming Olympics. There are some problems with that. We are aware of them.

00;17;15;10 - 00;17;26;25
Sarah
The problems being that there weren't rowing events in that year of Olympics. Canadians didn't have a team for it. There wasn't an event for it. We're just going to suspend our disbelief and pretend that that was happening.

00;17;26;25 - 00;17;31;17
Mark
You know what never gets old. Even at 1895. The broken phone.

00;17;31;29 - 00;17;32;11
Mark
Yeah.

00;17;33;10 - 00;17;35;06
Sarah
Sorry, sir. I can't hear you.

00;17;35;15 - 00;17;39;16
Mark
Hear your line. Click the calls of a prick again.

00;17;39;24 - 00;17;43;08
Mark
No word you can read.

00;17;43;08 - 00;17;56;23
Sarah
He better hope that that phone was actually hung up before he says that. I don't think I would have trusted phones at that that time to actually have severed the call and have my boss not hear me call him a prick behind his back.

00;17;57;20 - 00;17;58;29
Mark
Pull it out of the wall.

00;17;59;22 - 00;18;07;28
Sarah
Maybe Mike. Mike. His boss wouldn't know exactly what Bracken is doing.

00;18;07;28 - 00;18;17;16
Mark
That's another thing that we've lost. Like we've lost the ability to hang up on somebody that is satisfying. Yeah. You used to hang up a phone.

00;18;17;16 - 00;18;20;15
Sarah
You could comment word variable.

00;18;20;17 - 00;18;21;01
Mark
Yeah.

00;18;21;09 - 00;18;25;26
Mark
Right. The other thing is you can't take the ball the phone out in the wall anymore.

00;18;26;06 - 00;18;27;23
Sarah
You can turn your phone off. I could.

00;18;27;23 - 00;18;29;28
Mark
Turn it off, but it doesn't have the physical.

00;18;30;02 - 00;18;31;13
Sarah
Amount of satisfying.

00;18;31;27 - 00;18;34;00
Mark
I'm going to take the phone right out of the wall.

00;18;34;00 - 00;18;41;15
Sarah
I'm going to block you, send you straight to voicemail from now on. Haha, it's just not now. It's not as satisfying now.

00;18;41;18 - 00;18;44;29
Mark
So I have a question. This is a weird question.

00;18;44;29 - 00;18;45;11
Sarah
Okay.

00;18;45;17 - 00;18;47;01
Mark
He is on the men's eight team.

00;18;47;05 - 00;18;49;17
Sarah
Yes. Okay. Partly is. Yes. Yes. That guy.

00;18;49;22 - 00;18;53;01
Mark
He's dead. Yes. The guy who he replaced.

00;18;53;09 - 00;18;54;15
Sarah
Last spring course.

00;18;54;15 - 00;18;54;26
Mark
Briggs.

00;18;54;26 - 00;18;55;24
Sarah
The gardener is.

00;18;55;24 - 00;18;57;16
Mark
Out rowing and a single scull.

00;18;57;19 - 00;18;58;02
Sarah
Mm hmm.

00;18;58;13 - 00;19;04;03
Mark
Okay. There are eight people in the boat. Mm hmm. Who's the eighth guy who's filling in?

00;19;04;03 - 00;19;10;26
Sarah
Yeah. And you're not counting the collar at the front, The swain at the front. You're saying they're eight row rowers?

00;19;11;01 - 00;19;12;14
Mark
Mm hmm. I counted.

00;19;13;13 - 00;19;35;29
Sarah
My arm. Some random dude. Okay, speaking of going, you you correctly said that. Yep. That horse Briggs is in a boat. Do you know why it's a skull? No, because he has to. Oars. Each rower has two oars. It's a skull and skulls. If they only have one or. And they alternate sides each row or alternate sides. It's called a sweep.

00;19;36;23 - 00;19;38;11
Sarah
Okay. Did you know that there was a difference?

00;19;38;12 - 00;19;41;03
Mark
I knew there was a difference. I didn't know what the difference was.

00;19;41;08 - 00;20;05;08
Sarah
There's so much going on in terms of like ambidextrous rowers and right handed rowers. And if you're doing as if you rowing sweep, it's much more complicated to put together a team. Yeah, because you need right handed and left handed rowers and from what I read, correct me if I'm wrong, people if you know more about this, it doesn't have a lot to do with whether you're right or left handed either.

00;20;05;13 - 00;20;06;13
Mark
Oh, I don't think so.

00;20;06;14 - 00;20;13;06
Sarah
There are people who are just better at one side than the other. And you don't want to be swapped? No, you don't want that to happen.

00;20;13;07 - 00;20;19;13
Mark
No. And so this is in Canada. Rowing is far more popular than it is here.

00;20;19;20 - 00;20;22;00
Sarah
Yeah, because it's a little bit British, isn't it?

00;20;22;01 - 00;20;23;10
Mark
It's a little bit British, It's.

00;20;23;10 - 00;20;24;11
Sarah
A little bit Ponzi.

00;20;24;11 - 00;20;28;02
Mark
And we win a bunch of medals at the Olympics in America.

00;20;28;02 - 00;20;29;28
Sarah
We're like, Hey, getting a bass boat.

00;20;30;03 - 00;20;32;08
Mark
We are. We are.

00;20;32;16 - 00;20;34;08
Sarah
We got outboard motors. We know how to do that.

00;20;34;08 - 00;20;43;26
Mark
And international power and rowing in the Olympics. I love the Olympics and I love rowing because Canada, where else is it?

00;20;43;26 - 00;20;45;18
Sarah
Your favorite summer Olympic event?

00;20;45;29 - 00;21;05;13
Mark
No, no, I don't think so. I like I love the Olympics. Of course I love the Winter Olympics more. I really got into men's and women's eight rugby the last time. That was super interesting. I love all the weird sports, like reverse handball and stuff like that. Like I love all those weird sports, like to watch all.

00;21;05;13 - 00;21;08;22
Sarah
People have to ski and shoot and jump out of a pair.

00;21;08;28 - 00;21;11;07
Mark
That that skied skiing.

00;21;11;07 - 00;21;12;15
Sarah
Shooting again thing.

00;21;12;15 - 00;21;19;20
Mark
Is the most incredibly interesting sport in the Winter Olympics except for of course, hockey. And I love them all.

00;21;19;22 - 00;21;42;26
Sarah
I didn't realize that rowing has its own little like shorthand for men's or women's. How many people are in the boat? Yeah. And then whether it has a cock swimming or not. So if you see like M4 minus, that means that it's men's four men Team no cocks Lane. Yeah. Which means there's no collar at the front of the boat.

00;21;42;27 - 00;21;43;05
Mark
Yeah.

00;21;43;09 - 00;21;48;02
Sarah
But if you see like a plus that means it's women's eight rowers with a cock.

00;21;48;02 - 00;21;51;01
Mark
Swing, like in high school, in gym class. We did rowing.

00;21;51;12 - 00;21;52;06
Sarah
You did?

00;21;52;08 - 00;21;55;02
Mark
Yeah, because the Canoe Club was nervous.

00;21;55;04 - 00;22;02;11
Sarah
You went in the water? Yeah. You didn't just sit in a boat on the gym floor and pretend. No, that's what we would have done.

00;22;03;03 - 00;22;03;21
Mark
No.

00;22;04;05 - 00;22;04;15
Mark
We.

00;22;04;25 - 00;22;07;07
Sarah
When you were doing rowing, guess what we were doing.

00;22;07;13 - 00;22;08;01
Mark
Square and.

00;22;08;03 - 00;22;09;00
Sarah
Square dancing.

00;22;09;00 - 00;22;11;21
Mark
That's right. We also did curling. And you're doing.

00;22;11;21 - 00;22;23;13
Sarah
Sport. We did not curl. No, and we're not. We're not going to make fun of rowing terms, even though there's a Cox. Swain. Yep. Cox and Coxless boat.

00;22;23;13 - 00;22;23;27
Mark
Yes.

00;22;24;07 - 00;22;30;19
Sarah
There's a Coxless pair. Yes. Bo Cox. Yeah. Cox, mate. And my favorite, the Cox box.

00;22;30;19 - 00;22;31;18
Mark
The Cox box.

00;22;31;28 - 00;22;34;06
Sarah
We've got it out of our system. Yeah, right.

00;22;34;06 - 00;22;34;28
Mark
It's all out.

00;22;39;07 - 00;22;58;19
Sarah
So Richard Hartley replaced Forrest Briggs on the rowing team. And we're led to believe initially that it was because Forrest Briggs, the commoner on the team. Yeah, the gardener. He could only be more of a trope if his dad was the gardener and he was the son of the gardener. And he was a friend of the family.

00;22;58;19 - 00;23;01;12
Mark
Well, we know he's a gardener because he has suspenders.

00;23;01;12 - 00;23;23;11
Sarah
Yes. And gets his hands dirty. Yeah, They lead us to believe that it was a personality conflict. That horse was not easy to get along, and that's why Richard replaced him on the boat. But in reality, Horace got bumped off the team because Richard was wealthier and suspected his girlfriend was having an affair with the gardener. And so getting kicked off the team.

00;23;23;11 - 00;23;24;08
Mark
Wanted him gone.

00;23;24;10 - 00;23;31;25
Sarah
But. But the rest of the team would rather have had Horace than Hartley. Yes. They wanted the gardener. He was better.

00;23;32;02 - 00;23;32;11
Mark
Yes.

00;23;32;12 - 00;23;34;10
Sarah
He just sweeps his boat on the edge of the water.

00;23;34;10 - 00;23;37;03
Mark
Just leaves it there, I realize.

00;23;37;06 - 00;23;38;04
Sarah
Does that bother you?

00;23;38;04 - 00;23;38;17
Mark
Yes.

00;23;39;10 - 00;23;45;13
Sarah
Because that. That boat, that skull. Yes. Is going to end up in the middle of the lake in about 5 minutes, is it not.

00;23;45;14 - 00;23;47;06
Mark
Somebody he's going to have to swim out and get it?

00;23;47;12 - 00;23;48;11
Sarah
Probably. Horace?

00;23;48;11 - 00;23;55;21
Mark
Yes, Mark explains. Canada in the early 19th, early the 20th century to our American friends.

00;23;55;22 - 00;23;57;13
Sarah
Oh, is this a marks Canada corner?

00;23;57;14 - 00;24;05;14
Mark
Yes, Marks Corner. So you may have noticed the enormous amount of Union Jacks in this episode. So they're all over the Canoe Club.

00;24;05;19 - 00;24;10;06
Sarah
I just assumed it was because they were poncy. Canadians who would rather be British than Canadian.

00;24;10;06 - 00;24;19;16
Mark
Know that is the Canadian flag at that point in time. Oh, we had a flag that was the Union Jack until the sixties.

00;24;19;23 - 00;24;22;00
Sarah
Meaning you didn't have your own flag.

00;24;22;00 - 00;24;23;09
Mark
We didn't have our own flag.

00;24;23;13 - 00;24;26;14
Sarah
That's not the Canadian flag. No, you just didn't have one.

00;24;26;14 - 00;24;27;09
Mark
We didn't have one.

00;24;27;09 - 00;24;32;26
Sarah
No. So it's the British flag? Yes, the Union Jack. And then you just call it the reunion, Jack, which I think is very funny.

00;24;33;12 - 00;24;33;22
Mark
Yeah.

00;24;34;02 - 00;24;49;05
Mark
Then in the sixties, somebody sort of said in the hall, how we got our flag is super interesting, said maybe we should have our own flag. And that's where you get the maple leaf. Good. Which is beautiful. I love our.

00;24;49;05 - 00;24;52;17
Sarah
Flag. I'm glad you guys were able to get your own. Yes. It's important.

00;24;52;23 - 00;24;53;24
Mark
For a little slow.

00;24;53;25 - 00;24;58;19
Sarah
Especially if you go to the Olympics and you've got the same flag as another team. That's kind of confusing.

00;24;58;19 - 00;24;59;03
Mark
Yeah.

00;25;00;26 - 00;25;24;17
Sarah
Crabtree and Murdoch, try coffee like it's new. Not I try not to let the anachronisms bother me because they can be really fun, but this one doesn't make any sense to me. Coffee had been around for, like 100 years in the States and in Canada, and it wasn't unusual for people of all classes to have it. I don't know why they act like it's special now.

00;25;24;17 - 00;25;27;05
Sarah
If they were like, This is espresso or something.

00;25;27;06 - 00;25;27;20
Mark
That's.

00;25;27;20 - 00;25;33;03
Sarah
Latte. Yeah, I'd be like, Oh, frothy coffee. Maybe that's new. Or Italian in coffee or something.

00;25;33;04 - 00;25;41;22
Mark
Something. But no, it's clearly not new. It's there is a plot device so that creepy Murdoch at the end can go, Hey, let's go for a coffee.

00;25;42;29 - 00;25;45;16
Sarah
It's Julia who invites him for a coffee.

00;25;45;16 - 00;25;47;05
Mark
I know, but he's still creepy.

00;25;47;05 - 00;25;50;25
Sarah
And it means that Crabtree can be all hopped up because he's had, like, eight.

00;25;51;27 - 00;25;56;07
Mark
I thought that we saw him more hopped up in this up episode.

00;25;56;12 - 00;25;58;14
Sarah
Yeah, in my memory, he was too. He was hyper.

00;25;58;15 - 00;26;00;04
Mark
That might be another episode.

00;26;00;04 - 00;26;03;09
Sarah
Yeah. Or maybe it was just a joke that we thought should have been there. And was.

00;26;03;09 - 00;26;04;29
Mark
That went back to the.

00;26;04;29 - 00;26;06;08
Mark
Cocaine. Yes.

00;26;06;19 - 00;26;07;22
Mark
It's not a spoiler.

00;26;07;22 - 00;26;13;04
Sarah
It's not a spoiler. There's a few episodes where Bracken read he gets prescribed cocaine for like a head cold or something.

00;26;13;04 - 00;26;13;21
Mark
Something.

00;26;14;14 - 00;26;16;13
Sarah
Yeah. He gets interesting for a little while.

00;26;16;16 - 00;26;20;04
Mark
Speaking of interesting things, breaking the bottom.

00;26;21;16 - 00;26;26;25
Sarah
I'm just going to put this out there. He gets hazed. Hartley gets hazed as a new river of the team.

00;26;26;25 - 00;26;27;18
Mark
All hazing and.

00;26;27;18 - 00;26;33;13
Sarah
Hazing is horrible. It's a form of bullying to the extreme. That's right out. And that's all I'm going to say about it.

00;26;33;13 - 00;26;34;07
Mark
Never happen.

00;26;34;17 - 00;26;44;03
Sarah
But in reality, we initially get to think that this is a hazing thing gone wrong. Yeah, but they were purposely over hazing him because they didn't want him on the team.

00;26;44;03 - 00;26;47;02
Mark
Yeah. They wanted to beat him up so that he would be injured.

00;26;47;02 - 00;26;55;23
Sarah
Yeah. So he couldn't row so Horace could come back on the team, which is unusual that the fancy people wanted the Gardner back on the team because.

00;26;55;28 - 00;26;57;23
Mark
Was better when they wanted to win.

00;26;57;23 - 00;26;58;13
Sarah
He's a better role.

00;26;58;13 - 00;27;00;07
Mark
So they gave him a paddling a.

00;27;00;17 - 00;27;09;02
Sarah
Then. And Murdoch has to talk with Joy, his ex-boyfriend, about it while walking in the woods. I just don't see the benefit of spanking like awkward.

00;27;09;02 - 00;27;09;12
Mark
Yes.

00;27;09;20 - 00;27;15;18
Mark
So Julia and Isaac went to Tash.

00;27;15;18 - 00;27;16;12
Sarah
Is that his name?

00;27;16;12 - 00;27;37;01
Mark
Tash went to Bishop's with this, which is in Sherbrooke, Quebec, which is east of Montreal. Now, again, I mentioned to our friends in the United States, there are not 8 billion universities in Canada like there are in the United States. There are 92. And at that, at this time, they're even fewer than 19.

00;27;37;04 - 00;27;45;20
Sarah
Why are there so few in comparison? Is it because they're all like started by the state in some way, or is it just there aren't as many people?

00;27;45;20 - 00;28;01;09
Mark
So termination of two things. One, we have a 10th of the population, right? And second of all, there is a huge clear delineation between university graduate educated and not university graduate educated.

00;28;01;09 - 00;28;06;23
Sarah
Well, you have colleges and universities right to your degrees and for your degrees are by.

00;28;06;26 - 00;28;14;12
Mark
Colleges very much expected to be where you learn a skill for a job. Well and.

00;28;14;13 - 00;28;15;17
Sarah
Vocational school.

00;28;16;06 - 00;28;17;13
Mark
I don't want my.

00;28;17;15 - 00;28;18;19
Sarah
That's not a bad thing.

00;28;18;19 - 00;28;19;29
Mark
You know if.

00;28;19;29 - 00;28;23;29
Sarah
You go to vocational school to get skill specific for a vocation.

00;28;24;00 - 00;28;24;14
Mark
My brother.

00;28;24;14 - 00;28;25;14
Sarah
Were a field went.

00;28;25;14 - 00;28;31;14
Mark
To college and he did very well for himself and oh, well, all my brothers and sisters went to college. Yeah, very well for them.

00;28;31;17 - 00;28;32;21
Sarah
And you went to university and then.

00;28;33;03 - 00;28;34;14
Mark
I went to university.

00;28;34;14 - 00;28;34;24
Mark
And.

00;28;35;10 - 00;28;37;29
Mark
Did better just stay.

00;28;37;29 - 00;28;39;03
Mark
In this.

00;28;39;24 - 00;28;40;14
Mark
First one.

00;28;40;14 - 00;28;40;28
Mark
Since.

00;28;42;06 - 00;28;42;21
Mark
We got to.

00;28;42;21 - 00;28;43;08
Sarah
Canada.

00;28;43;08 - 00;28;50;14
Mark
But it was never a question that I was going to university.

00;28;51;22 - 00;28;53;26
Sarah
Because you decided when you were like four, right?

00;28;54;02 - 00;28;56;12
Mark
So I think so.

00;28;56;15 - 00;29;10;00
Sarah
You and me both. It's younger. It's younger sibling syndrome. Yeah. I don't know what I'm going to do, but it's going to be better than you. We also get to hear about the first case that Murdoch and Julianne worked on together.

00;29;10;00 - 00;29;12;03
Mark
Clayton Bowles Wow.

00;29;12;03 - 00;29;17;27
Sarah
This is I can see why there's no episode about this case because it's a bit heavy.

00;29;17;28 - 00;29;20;28
Mark
Yeah. And Murdoch just kind of throws it off.

00;29;21;03 - 00;29;33;15
Sarah
Yeah. There is this 14 year old kid who killed his parents, then hung himself in the yard. Anyway, I was right. And Tash is like, Oh, okay. And anyway, spanking, I don't know.

00;29;33;19 - 00;29;37;15
Mark
She's like, This is just awful. I'm like, That's correct. They've left a.

00;29;37;15 - 00;29;53;06
Sarah
Mess. Yeah, they have a big mess. If they were trying to cover a crime scene, if they thought, Oh my gosh, Richard went off and we don't know what happened to him, wouldn't they have run out there and cleaned it up? This is two episodes in a row where people don't clean up after themselves. Yes. And it gets them in trouble.

00;29;53;08 - 00;29;54;11
Mark
I don't like it at all.

00;29;54;11 - 00;30;03;29
Sarah
But you know what? We have hooligans. They don't clean up after themselves. No drive around on campus on a Sunday morning. It's everywhere. You just make a mess and then they go pass out.

00;30;04;06 - 00;30;09;00
Mark
They just go pass out some more. Wow. This is the old part, old person's part of the episode.

00;30;09;01 - 00;30;12;22
Sarah
Welcome to Foggy Corner, where we talk about how the youths of today.

00;30;12;23 - 00;30;14;17
Mark
Let me tell you about our children.

00;30;14;17 - 00;30;15;03
Mark
Yes.

00;30;17;09 - 00;30;24;28
Sarah
Hey, they're not on campus getting drunk, playing bags with sand games, with sand bags and leaving beer bottles everywhere and checking cornhole.

00;30;24;29 - 00;30;30;26
Mark
No, but they are here making mess. Anyway, let's move on to a dungeon full of dandies.

00;30;31;13 - 00;30;46;16
Sarah
That's my favorite line of the episode. Bracken Reed is so worried about the rowers because they're the children of very wealthy, influential people and we have to handle them with kid gloves. You know what? Kid gloves are, right?

00;30;46;17 - 00;30;49;26
Mark
Yes. They're made from actual calves. Leather.

00;30;50;02 - 00;30;51;21
Sarah
No, they're from baby Go.

00;30;51;21 - 00;30;53;00
Mark
Baby goat leather. Sorry.

00;30;53;02 - 00;31;07;24
Sarah
We baby goat to have nice thin skin. Yeah. So that they're very sensitive gloves. Yeah, you do. You know, in this town, even in the 1890s, a woman without gloves was just as bad as a woman showing her boobs.

00;31;07;24 - 00;31;09;01
Mark
Yeah, it was.

00;31;09;08 - 00;31;10;22
Sarah
Like it was the equivalent.

00;31;10;23 - 00;31;14;05
Mark
Like Minerva is dressed appropriately, and Julia never is.

00;31;14;14 - 00;31;19;19
Sarah
No, Julia's like, I don't even wear gloves, flies, people open, and then I just smear the blood on my clothes and.

00;31;20;16 - 00;31;27;07
Mark
Come on into the club. Yeah. And here with with the secondary of Danny.

00;31;27;14 - 00;31;31;19
Sarah
Bracken, Reed says, Oh, now we've got a dungeon full of dandies and.

00;31;32;01 - 00;31;37;28
Mark
We have the great visual comedy of, like, it shows a cell full of miscreants.

00;31;37;28 - 00;31;44;13
Sarah
Yeah. The camera pans across the cells and there's one full of drunks, obviously. And then there's all the dandies in the cell to get love.

00;31;44;14 - 00;31;49;06
Mark
I love when there's actual visual humor in the filming. Yeah, they do a great job.

00;31;49;06 - 00;31;53;18
Sarah
But they shouldn't put them all in the same cell. They're just going to corroborate their stories. Yes.

00;31;53;25 - 00;31;57;01
Mark
Let us have a montage of the beatings.

00;31;57;09 - 00;31;59;20
Sarah
And or a montage of numerous.

00;31;59;21 - 00;32;00;13
Mark
Yes.

00;32;00;22 - 00;32;03;17
Sarah
All these dudes undone by the blue Kool-Aid.

00;32;03;17 - 00;32;07;23
Mark
He took off because, you know, we're lying because of the blue Kool-Aid.

00;32;07;23 - 00;32;09;09
Sarah
It rises in the tube.

00;32;09;16 - 00;32;15;08
Mark
And then Mark Murdoch sinks. And there's a montage, as in thinking.

00;32;15;16 - 00;32;34;01
Sarah
Yes, well, he has to has his brainiac moment where he flashes back and collates a bunch of evidence that we've seen. And he's like, Ha, I got it. So it turns out it was all the coach's idea. It's like, I want the gardener back on the team. So you guys beat the hell out of this dandy so he won't be able to row.

00;32;34;08 - 00;32;54;11
Sarah
Then we'll get the gardener back, and then maybe we'll actually make the Olympics. And they're like, Oh, we beat him too much. He ran off. He probably drowned. Oops. And the coach is like, Well, let's flame frame the gardener for it. That which I guess since they already have an eighth rower on the team you counted, they've replaced him already with somebody else.

00;32;54;11 - 00;33;00;04
Sarah
I don't know how, but they would rather sacrifice one than seven. Like. Yeah, because they're seven dandies.

00;33;00;10 - 00;33;05;13
Mark
Yes. And then George starts the toast for the clay.

00;33;05;16 - 00;33;20;13
Sarah
So Hartley has dirt under his nails that isn't like the sand at Hell's Point where they left a mess. It's Clay. So now we're going to walk around the edge of this big lake looking for clay. Yeah, right.

00;33;20;14 - 00;33;21;00
Mark
Yeah.

00;33;21;13 - 00;33;22;29
Mark
How well do you know the shoreline?

00;33;23;00 - 00;33;30;06
Sarah
I know there is a four foot stretch on one side of the lake where there's clay, and it's nowhere else. Yeah.

00;33;30;11 - 00;33;32;10
Mark
No, no, that's not how it works.

00;33;32;19 - 00;33;36;03
Sarah
But it gives George an opportunity to talk about his neighbors. Pottery?

00;33;36;06 - 00;33;36;20
Mark
Yes.

00;33;38;27 - 00;33;50;03
Sarah
Maybe he. Maybe it was into pottery. My neighbor made a bust of his wife. It looks like an inch Fabienne of some sort with great bulging eyes. It was terrifying, really. I'd prefer if we wouldn't talk about it anymore.

00;33;50;05 - 00;33;52;02
Mark
This is definitely.

00;33;52;22 - 00;33;55;11
Sarah
I just have this image of Swamp thing.

00;33;55;11 - 00;33;57;13
Mark
Like he's like.

00;33;57;18 - 00;34;05;04
Sarah
Edna, I'm going to make a bust of you. I'm into this pottery stuff now, and he turns around and it's swamp thing with the gills and the big eyes and everything.

00;34;05;06 - 00;34;11;07
Mark
George played by Johnnie Harris here. I bet there is 30 of these.

00;34;11;10 - 00;34;17;07
Sarah
Oh, yeah. 30 takes where he just where he lived, whatever he wanted to do. And it was funny.

00;34;17;12 - 00;34;19;08
Mark
To about Clay.

00;34;19;08 - 00;34;19;17
Mark
Yeah.

00;34;20;22 - 00;34;28;29
Sarah
You know, ladies put that on their face now as a masks of. Not that I would know about face masks it leave your skin nice and soft and supple. I don't do.

00;34;28;29 - 00;34;33;10
Mark
That, Murdoch. You're bizarre and does an amazing job of not like.

00;34;33;16 - 00;34;48;02
Sarah
I keep a straight face. The bulgy eyes. Yeah. And then. Oh, I know that medicine was different. I know that they didn't have the same standards we have, but Julia really enjoys squeezing in lungs.

00;34;48;08 - 00;34;50;06
Mark
I have my lung water now. Please.

00;34;53;06 - 00;35;00;07
Sarah
But she gets her lungs out and she's like all the water cell in harm's way. Squeezing it, squeezing it.

00;35;00;14 - 00;35;02;25
Mark
We have a more important thing to talk about.

00;35;03;06 - 00;35;04;23
Sarah
More important than lung water.

00;35;04;23 - 00;35;05;08
Mark
Yes.

00;35;06;04 - 00;35;20;08
Mark
Yes. So they're looking at each other and the music swells and the kissy kissy happens. And then they're both kind of like, Oh, who is having that dream? Murdoch You think? Murdoch? Yep.

00;35;20;16 - 00;35;22;25
Sarah
I think Murdoch Imagining kissing Julia.

00;35;22;26 - 00;35;23;19
Mark
I don't know.

00;35;23;19 - 00;35;32;08
Sarah
I think because I think if it was Julia, she would have just kissed him. Oh, even if she was holding the lung in her hands. Our first was over long.

00;35;33;26 - 00;35;35;00
Mark
I believe that my loved one.

00;35;36;02 - 00;35;48;24
Sarah
I think it's him because he's discombobulated, because he's been caught staring at her, because he's having a little daydream. And then he's, you know, he's all slobbered up, and he has to go get my long marker, please. Goodbye.

00;35;49;00 - 00;36;01;19
Mark
By the way, folks, here's Mark's social corner here. We've had a lot of corners of the day, and if someone tells you in your life that they don't have much of a social life these days, they're flirting with you.

00;36;01;20 - 00;36;03;20
Sarah
They're asking you to ask them out.

00;36;03;20 - 00;36;04;04
Mark
Yes.

00;36;04;17 - 00;36;09;13
Sarah
But I would like to have a social life with you if you would invite me someplace. That's what they're actually saying.

00;36;09;21 - 00;36;12;19
Mark
Anyway. The long water smells of laughter.

00;36;13;18 - 00;36;17;21
Sarah
I'm not smelling anybody's long water. No, I don't care if you've boiled it.

00;36;17;26 - 00;36;19;29
Mark
If you really want strawberry cooler.

00;36;20;02 - 00;36;30;19
Sarah
If you raise a dish to my face and say, Smell this long water, that's worse than, like, smell this. I think it's bad. Yeah. You know, Has this not gone mad? I don't know. Smell it. You smell it?

00;36;30;19 - 00;36;31;20
Mark
It's a smell. Bad. You?

00;36;31;20 - 00;36;33;26
Sarah
Yeah. Oh, I don't want to try that.

00;36;33;26 - 00;36;34;04
Mark
Bill.

00;36;34;24 - 00;36;42;00
Sarah
Because I crabtrees reaction's funny. Smells like lavender. You know, my aunt uses stuff in the bath. It makes your skin tart. I'm not that I would not.

00;36;42;00 - 00;36;43;22
Mark
I wouldn't know anything about the hand.

00;36;43;25 - 00;36;45;14
Sarah
I've never used it. Mm.

00;36;45;22 - 00;36;47;26
Mark
No. They do a very good job.

00;36;47;26 - 00;36;53;14
Sarah
I bet you George smells. Really nice. I bet you just can't agree with him. Little packages. It's good stuff.

00;36;53;15 - 00;37;12;07
Mark
It's great writing because you know exactly what's going on with George. And no one calls him out on it. No has to say. And now we have to complete the joke and say George uses for lavender water in his back like that's never there. And that's mature, smart writing. Mm hmm. Well, we find out.

00;37;12;19 - 00;37;21;17
Sarah
Minerva had a love shack. Even though she didn't love Richard, she set up a love shack. And then he was late, so she changed her mind about their entire lives together.

00;37;23;12 - 00;37;24;09
Mark
Yeah, I think.

00;37;24;16 - 00;37;31;16
Sarah
It started out as a romantic evening with candles and dinner and everything. But then he was late, and she smoked so much, she decided she didn't want to marry him.

00;37;31;16 - 00;37;40;22
Mark
I think that they kind of flubbed it there because she clearly didn't like him in the beginning already. He chose me.

00;37;40;26 - 00;37;41;10
Sarah
Yeah.

00;37;41;18 - 00;37;42;20
Mark
I didn't choose him.

00;37;42;26 - 00;37;44;21
Sarah
She was trapped in that engaged.

00;37;44;22 - 00;37;53;12
Mark
And then this is where she's right throughout the entire episode. Minerva as aloof, smoking harlot. Right. Like she is.

00;37;53;12 - 00;37;55;27
Sarah
Trapped in a gilded cage of her richness.

00;37;55;27 - 00;38;04;21
Mark
Well, you don't even think you're. She's trapped. You just think she's so aloof and poncy. But now you begin to sympathize with her.

00;38;04;21 - 00;38;06;19
Sarah
And realize she's in a gilded cage.

00;38;06;19 - 00;38;06;29
Mark
Yeah.

00;38;07;01 - 00;38;09;27
Sarah
And it's so hard to be so beautiful and rich.

00;38;09;29 - 00;38;15;27
Mark
Well, he kind of almost forces himself on her, so I have incredible sympathy for her.

00;38;15;28 - 00;38;29;18
Sarah
He is bad. He's the bad. Don't get me wrong. Yep. So she's got the love shack all set up? Yep. Richard shows up late and beat all the hell. And she goes, By the way, I break up. Is that what you would say? What happened to you?

00;38;29;28 - 00;38;31;29
Mark
She's been working up the nerve all night.

00;38;31;29 - 00;38;42;21
Sarah
I think she dislikes him so much that even when he shows up, beat the heck she's still ready to dump him. And he says, Oh, I just need a bath. I just need a warm soak in lavender.

00;38;42;21 - 00;38;43;27
Mark
Water, if only to.

00;38;43;28 - 00;38;45;08
Mark
Feel to.

00;38;46;01 - 00;38;50;22
Mark
Meet you. Like if you had abrasions and open wounds, would that not be like.

00;38;50;22 - 00;38;55;26
Sarah
Oh, I don't know. I think it would be irritating to have oil in your water if you were.

00;38;56;05 - 00;38;56;19
Mark
Being so.

00;38;56;25 - 00;38;59;16
Sarah
Covered in open wounds and bleeding feet.

00;38;59;25 - 00;39;04;15
Mark
And we know this because there's bone meal mixed with the long water.

00;39;04;20 - 00;39;05;24
Sarah
It's points.

00;39;05;24 - 00;39;09;27
Mark
For its a glowing phosphorescent.

00;39;09;28 - 00;39;12;14
Sarah
Because it's got phosphate. Yeah I think.

00;39;12;14 - 00;39;17;20
Mark
This break the rule like we know he's a gardener does Mark break the rule here.

00;39;17;26 - 00;39;18;13
Sarah
What rule.

00;39;18;20 - 00;39;20;29
Mark
That you have to know everything hmm.

00;39;21;10 - 00;39;38;24
Sarah
That that the detective can't know things that we as viewers don't know. Yeah, he tells us it's glowing bone. Yeah. We have to figure out what that means. Yeah, I mean, I've got a bag of bone meal in the garage. Yeah, for flowerpots. I mean, it's not that rare. I've never checked to see if it goes in the dark.

00;39;38;24 - 00;39;57;19
Sarah
I don't think it does. It might glow under UV light, which is not what's coming from his oil lamp. No, but I'm. I'm just kind of impressed that he can recognize a sand sized fragment of bone. Yeah. Under a microscope. But I do like his little glasses with the microscope. Oh, there's little glasses.

00;39;57;26 - 00;40;00;01
Mark
Murdoch gadgets are right on in this.

00;40;00;01 - 00;40;09;25
Sarah
He's got a fence. Fancy I have in notes. It says glowing phosphate bone fragments in lunch water instead of water.

00;40;10;10 - 00;40;11;12
Mark
So he takes off.

00;40;11;24 - 00;40;13;17
Sarah
Don't drink that with your lunch. Right.

00;40;13;24 - 00;40;21;07
Mark
Horse goes in and confront him and kills him in the tub. And then they hide the body at the lake.

00;40;21;08 - 00;40;27;02
Sarah
So the tragedy here is that Horace doesn't know that Minerva and Richard broke up.

00;40;27;15 - 00;40;29;03
Mark
But he knows she left.

00;40;29;12 - 00;40;43;11
Sarah
So does he. Oh, I'm confused by this. They act like it's this tragedy that if Horace had known that she dumped him, that he wouldn't have had to kill him. Yeah, like, but she left place.

00;40;43;11 - 00;40;44;14
Mark
And she was obviously.

00;40;44;14 - 00;40;54;03
Sarah
Distraught. She ran away from the love shack. So, I mean, it wouldn't have been a big leap to assume that they would then, if they hadn't already split up, that they would have split up soon.

00;40;54;08 - 00;40;56;07
Mark
Yeah, I didn't get that part.

00;40;56;07 - 00;40;56;20
Sarah
I'm not.

00;40;56;20 - 00;41;07;13
Mark
I don't. And I think they easily could have a case not to jump to the end, but easily have the case of he was attacking her. And so I stopped him and we accidentally killed him.

00;41;07;25 - 00;41;11;13
Sarah
I stabbed him by running him a nice warm bath and shoving his head in it.

00;41;11;18 - 00;41;15;09
Mark
Well, maybe you could push him in the bath accidently and they hit his head.

00;41;15;11 - 00;41;16;24
Sarah
But he doesn't have a head injury.

00;41;17;00 - 00;41;21;13
Mark
Scar. Lots of injuries. Plus, Julie is going to be like, Oh, yeah, that's what happened.

00;41;22;26 - 00;41;23;06
Mark
Because.

00;41;23;06 - 00;41;23;09
Sarah
It's.

00;41;23;09 - 00;41;25;03
Mark
Romantic. Give me a cigaret Minerva.

00;41;25;06 - 00;41;31;03
Sarah
So they must have taken his body from the nice warm bath and dumped him in the lake.

00;41;31;03 - 00;41;33;13
Mark
All oiled too, by the way. He went under.

00;41;33;13 - 00;41;51;10
Sarah
Oil only from like the waist up, from the waist down, even with a small hoop. But then they have to dump him in the lake to make it look like he drowned. Yes. Which means that Minerva would have had to explain to Horace what happened to Richard before he got there. Like he showed up. Beat up?

00;41;51;16 - 00;41;52;02
Mark
Yeah.

00;41;52;10 - 00;41;58;05
Sarah
So, in a way, Horace and Minerva are sort of framing the rowing team.

00;41;58;09 - 00;41;59;14
Mark
Almost kind.

00;41;59;14 - 00;42;04;20
Sarah
Of just like they then try to frame him where it is. The blood on the aura come from. If it's not Richard's.

00;42;04;25 - 00;42;06;04
Mark
There's blood all around.

00;42;06;19 - 00;42;14;24
Sarah
But they. The rowing team purposely puts it on the order to frame Boris. Yeah. So one of them like cuts their finger and smears it on the OR.

00;42;15;01 - 00;42;19;08
Mark
Well we haven't mentioned the whole oarsman beefcake scene.

00;42;20;27 - 00;42;21;02
Mark
The.

00;42;21;02 - 00;42;22;15
Sarah
Shirtless rowers.

00;42;22;15 - 00;42;24;24
Mark
Because there is like, okay.

00;42;24;24 - 00;42;25;27
Sarah
It's big enough, oily.

00;42;28;04 - 00;42;42;01
Mark
I think. I think that is like though that scene is refreshing almost in the sense that it's like there's so many scenes of half naked women in all media.

00;42;42;05 - 00;42;48;25
Sarah
Yeah, right. Like, Oh, I had to go in the dressing room of this cancan show and see all these women and just their corsets.

00;42;49;08 - 00;42;58;29
Mark
Like, I thought that was a refreshing scene of like, they're all young men topless. And they were, they're clearly because they were beefcake.

00;43;00;17 - 00;43;06;02
Sarah
They're all oiled up with lavender oil. No, we only have showers here. We don't have bathtubs at the rowing club.

00;43;06;05 - 00;43;07;28
Mark
Well, except for in that shack.

00;43;08;02 - 00;43;11;27
Sarah
Well, the love shacks are different, but in. But in the rowing team's clubhouse.

00;43;12;03 - 00;43;12;17
Mark
I guess.

00;43;12;24 - 00;43;14;19
Sarah
They don't have baths, too.

00;43;14;20 - 00;43;17;24
Mark
We haven't talked about the concierge and how great he is.

00;43;18;03 - 00;43;19;02
Sarah
Let's talk about him.

00;43;19;03 - 00;43;19;15
Mark
Okay.

00;43;19;20 - 00;43;25;04
Sarah
I love that Julia warns Murdoch about him. Yeah, like you better call ahead.

00;43;25;09 - 00;43;29;15
Mark
And I think there's a scene where Barack and Reid does the same thing that gets cut.

00;43;30;22 - 00;43;41;27
Sarah
This is the first of many episodes of Murdoch where we see a class clash. Yes. Where being a policeman doesn't just give you free rein.

00;43;42;01 - 00;43;42;10
Mark
Yeah.

00;43;42;15 - 00;43;48;13
Sarah
Back then, because policemen were seen more as tradesmen. Yeah. They literally tell them to go in the tradesmen and you.

00;43;48;13 - 00;43;51;27
Mark
Don't have a membership card. He goes, This is my membership card.

00;43;51;27 - 00;44;04;07
Sarah
Yeah. And the concierge is like, So what else? We're above the law. Yeah, but he's, he's not rich. The concierge isn't rich. Just represents rich people. Yes, he's been bestowed.

00;44;04;12 - 00;44;05;01
Mark
He is the.

00;44;05;01 - 00;44;07;23
Sarah
Gatekeeper. Fanciness upon him.

00;44;07;23 - 00;44;12;05
Mark
And Murdoch is like Murdoch is the son of a drunk.

00;44;12;19 - 00;44;12;26
Sarah
Yeah.

00;44;13;01 - 00;44;18;03
Mark
Who was basically left to the Jesuits. Yeah. So, like, he is in high class.

00;44;18;03 - 00;44;24;14
Sarah
No, he's not even middle class. He's kind of worked his way into the lower middle class. Those job maybe other than that.

00;44;24;17 - 00;44;32;05
Mark
But like, at this point in time, when Murdoch says he lives on that street, we learn later on that he lives in a boarding house.

00;44;32;12 - 00;44;34;04
Sarah
Well, that was pretty common for single men.

00;44;34;04 - 00;44;35;26
Mark
Single men lived in boarding. Yeah.

00;44;35;26 - 00;44;37;20
Sarah
Who's going to do their job and feed them if they.

00;44;37;20 - 00;44;40;02
Mark
George in his bath, live in the morning?

00;44;40;20 - 00;44;55;12
Sarah
It's fancy bathtub. The concierge is great, though. He does a really good job of being super snooty and then turning it off and on. Like when Julia walks in, he just changes completely. Yeah, just flip. He's polite and flip.

00;44;55;22 - 00;45;00;09
Mark
And Juliet knows Julia went there because she knew that Murdoch was going to be.

00;45;00;11 - 00;45;09;19
Sarah
Not going to get anywhere in there. Yeah, she shows up in her overly floral, roughly gathered dress with a lamb chop arms.

00;45;09;19 - 00;45;18;05
Mark
I think they do such a good job of when. When Julia is out of the morgue, you can sense that she's uncomfortable.

00;45;18;10 - 00;45;19;16
Sarah
Mm. That's her place.

00;45;19;16 - 00;45;22;10
Mark
And that's how Lina Joy's amazing acting.

00;45;22;11 - 00;45;22;23
Sarah
Mm hmm.

00;45;23;06 - 00;45;30;01
Mark
Because even though she is raised in high society, she doesn't like it. And you can tell right away.

00;45;30;02 - 00;45;32;14
Sarah
Yeah, but she can still move in those circles. Yes.

00;45;32;14 - 00;45;43;28
Mark
So we have the final scene with Julie in Minerva, where the moral of the episode arrives. The moral of the episode is, if you only had traveled more.

00;45;44;27 - 00;45;59;09
Sarah
I don't think so. She's saying you don't have to be constrained by the societal rules that are here. Other places are different. Yeah. And you are wealthy and young and single and you can travel and you can see that not every place is like this.

00;45;59;14 - 00;46;01;18
Mark
Go to friends and have an affair.

00;46;01;18 - 00;46;04;19
Sarah
Yes. Go become a can can denser.

00;46;04;19 - 00;46;12;00
Mark
So did you notice that Murdoch's kind of creepy? He's standing off to the side and just standing there while they talk.

00;46;12;04 - 00;46;14;18
Sarah
I thought he was being polite. You think he's creepy?

00;46;14;26 - 00;46;21;00
Mark
He's a little creepy. But there's a more important thing. At the very last scene, I don't know if you saw it.

00;46;21;04 - 00;46;21;23
Sarah
I don't know.

00;46;21;28 - 00;46;35;25
Mark
So there's this whole discussion of coffee and going for a coffee and the implications of that coffee and the smooches that come along in the background. There's 30 people in modern clothes.

00;46;36;00 - 00;46;39;03
Mark
White. Yeah. What.

00;46;39;16 - 00;46;40;25
Mark
Like shorts?

00;46;41;12 - 00;46;45;26
Sarah
Right. I completely miss that. Right at the end. And that closing scene.

00;46;46;06 - 00;46;49;16
Mark
At the back on the other side of the bridge. But they're they're.

00;46;50;01 - 00;46;50;24
Sarah
Manned by.

00;46;50;27 - 00;46;51;23
Mark
A whole bunch of.

00;46;51;23 - 00;46;57;02
Sarah
People. They must run into that all the time. They it must be so hard.

00;46;57;02 - 00;47;03;05
Mark
And it's a close up of one of the characters and you're like, oh, they couldn't they couldn't get.

00;47;03;05 - 00;47;06;19
Sarah
Rid of that. They couldn't crop it out. They couldn't greenscreen it because in.

00;47;06;20 - 00;47;12;27
Mark
2008, we're we're the very beginnings of digital media still. In 2008.

00;47;12;27 - 00;47;13;09
Sarah
Yeah.

00;47;13;25 - 00;47;16;18
Mark
We're like, we could go backwards and forwards and.

00;47;17;15 - 00;47;21;08
Sarah
It would have been a major ordeal. Yeah. To keep that footage and move.

00;47;21;09 - 00;47;29;22
Mark
Those people and we'll put that in the show notes. But yeah, there are people back there and I'm almost 100% sure they're in modern dress.

00;47;29;28 - 00;47;35;29
Sarah
I don't know why they didn't just change the camera angle on like I see them from the side looking out onto the water or something.

00;47;36;04 - 00;47;37;16
Mark
I don't know, but it's fair.

00;47;37;18 - 00;47;48;08
Sarah
Oh, the poor and the people who produced the show, they must constantly have to. Okay, now we got to turn everybody 90 degrees here because we can't get rid of that thing in the background.

00;47;48;08 - 00;47;51;10
Mark
Well, the giant tower. Yeah, In Toronto.

00;47;51;10 - 00;47;51;24
Mark
Yeah.

00;47;52;13 - 00;48;17;24
Mark
So what happens when you do TV normally is all this gets shot and then the director and the editor sit in a little room and do more or less story editing along with, like, principal photography. Editing. Yeah, it really comes alive. Television really comes alive in the editing bay with the director and the editor. Yeah, they're far more powerful than the writer and, and things like that in American TV.

00;48;18;11 - 00;48;20;21
Mark
So there must be like.

00;48;21;01 - 00;48;26;14
Sarah
Oh, crap. But they must have a small army of people who are responsible for keeping people out of shot.

00;48;26;19 - 00;48;29;25
Mark
Yeah, that's, that's Andy Production Company.

00;48;29;25 - 00;48;36;09
Sarah
Yeah. That. And for filming locations where it's easy to hide modern things in the background.

00;48;36;09 - 00;48;52;14
Mark
Yeah. I tried to find where that bridge and the the grandstand were. I think it's in, which is a small town in southern Ontario but I'm not sure hundred percent. But there are definitely people back there and I'm almost positive they're in modern drama now.

00;48;52;14 - 00;48;52;25
Sarah
I got I.

00;48;52;25 - 00;48;53;16
Mark
Look. Yeah.

00;48;53;27 - 00;48;59;10
Sarah
So that is still. WATERS Yeah. Episode eight of season one. What's what's our next one?

00;48;59;11 - 00;49;01;10
Mark
So that's all down Corpse.

00;49;01;10 - 00;49;03;19
Sarah
I'm sorry, but there's only one. Yes, it's right.

00;49;03;23 - 00;49;10;01
Mark
And he does a fantastic job after the credits. I don't think he gets hung. I think they can.

00;49;10;08 - 00;49;12;08
Sarah
He's going to do a long time in jail.

00;49;12;09 - 00;49;16;13
Mark
I think he goes to jail, but I think they can figure out a case.

00;49;16;24 - 00;49;20;12
Sarah
The big question is whether Minerva will testify on his behalf.

00;49;20;16 - 00;49;21;29
Mark
I think she probably will.

00;49;22;06 - 00;49;25;22
Sarah
Because if she does, I think he he will not be hanged.

00;49;25;28 - 00;49;32;06
Mark
Well, I think it pisses off the people around her. And I think she's at that level now where she's like, screw them.

00;49;32;15 - 00;49;43;22
Sarah
Yeah. And maybe even the rowing team will say he was not nice. Yeah, he was a really bad person. It absolutely. So it's just a question of how influential the Hartleys are.

00;49;43;23 - 00;49;45;25
Mark
Meanwhile, those boys are never going to play.

00;49;46;09 - 00;49;47;05
Sarah
Hide and seek.

00;49;47;05 - 00;49;47;27
Mark
Again.

00;49;51;06 - 00;50;01;13
Sarah
Maybe they're the same kids in a later episode who find a body, another body or a robot or maybe something. So what's our next episode? What's episode nine Our next episode?

00;50;01;13 - 00;50;18;08
Mark
Episode nine is the belly speak while belly speakers. What? It's not the belly speaker, but belly speaker and wow, this episode Woo woo! This is one of my favorite episodes of Murdoch of all time.

00;50;18;08 - 00;50;21;28
Sarah
Wow. Of all 16 seasons. One of your favorite.

00;50;21;28 - 00;50;22;11
Mark
Yeah.

00;50;22;18 - 00;50;24;12
Sarah
You're setting it up. Yeah. Up.

00;50;24;13 - 00;50;40;24
Mark
Yeah. It is fantastically weird. And the ending is awesome and I love everything about it and I haven't seen it in a long time, so I bet you I'm going to be like, like this episode. I was like, Oh, this is a rowing episode. And then I'm like, Oh, George is fantastic.

00;50;40;25 - 00;50;42;03
Sarah
Yeah, it's always something.

00;50;42;06 - 00;50;44;23
Mark
They have all sorts of really good stuff.

00;50;44;23 - 00;50;49;28
Sarah
But you all should be looking forward to the belly speaker because it is a weird episode.

00;50;49;29 - 00;51;09;18
Mark
Tucker James Mystery Maniac. You can find us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and email. Please take the time to follow us on all those things. It helps all sorts of ways that you don't know about as well as on YouTube. Like and subscribe the videos and buy some merch.

00;51;09;26 - 00;51;11;19
Sarah
You can even hop over to the subreddit.

00;51;11;23 - 00;51;18;14
Mark
Yes, we have a subreddit from the show which discussed what to do when we don't have an episode.

00;51;19;20 - 00;51;24;23
Sarah
Or how quickly you can get a gravestone made. Yes. Yeah. So all kinds of fun stuff.

00;51;24;23 - 00;51;31;15
Mark
Thank you all so much for listening. We've had a crazy busy week and this has been the best end to it.

00;51;31;15 - 00;51;33;21
Sarah
I agree. All right. Until next time.

00;51;33;26 - 00;51;34;27
Mark
Bye, Mania.

00;51;34;27 - 00;51;35;25
Sarah
Bye, maniacs.

00;51;50;04 - 00;51;53;09
Mark
That I have to reach right.

00;51;55;01 - 00;51;55;17
Mark
Now to.

00;51;55;17 - 00;51;56;01
Mark
Read.