Episode 162 - Murdoch Mysteries - "Belly Speaker" - Puppet Lovin’ & Eww, It’s Got Lumps in it!
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Sarah
Why are you doing that? Mark Apple is. Hey, maniac.
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Mark
Hey, maniacs.
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Sarah
It's mystery maniacs.
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Mark
Mystery Maniacs is a comedy recap podcast. I just got myself from doing that. The Bela Lugosi voice dedicated to mystery TV. Each week we dig into an episode of the show, including the murders, the mayhem, the loonies and everything else We love. This Week Murdoch Mysteries Episode nine From Season one Barely speaker.
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Sarah
Barely speak.
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Mark
Barely. Oh.
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Sarah
We were just talking about Bela Lugosi before we got recording time.
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Mark
The Children of the Night named Mark.
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Sarah
I'm Sarah. Wow. Well.
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Mark
We've had weeks. We've had weeks where we've had pandemics. We've had weeks where we've got sick, We've had weeks where we've been crazy. End of the semester stuff. But this week, I think may trump the case. Hmm. Not only did I get the comic book that I've been working two years to get printed.
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Sarah
Yeah, it finally came in the mail.
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Mark
Finally came in the mail.
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Sarah
Part of our house. Looks like a comic book shop right now.
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Mark
It's a.
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Sarah
Warehouse. There's a table that's bending from the way to right now.
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Mark
And more on that later. If you're interested in my comic book, I will be posting and probably doing a real about that for you guys later on. It doesn't need to interrupt or take over the show or anything like that.
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Sarah
But but on Monday, Mark called me while I was at work and said, What are you doing tomorrow at around 1030?
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Mark
Because my new friend wants to start.
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Sarah
Something like, Well, I'm I got to teach class in the morning, but once that's over, I'm fairly open until lunch time. And he said, good because in that badly and wants to talk to us tomorrow at 1030 and like.
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Mark
Annette Bradley end of midsummer and Ted Lasso of Fame was interviewed by us over Zoom this week from my house. It still has not sunk in.
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Sarah
She was so awesome. She was she was super fun.
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Mark
Super fantastic, though.
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Sarah
So we are going to air that as a podcast and also as a video on YouTube on May the eighth that will come out.
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Mark
Now, I got to tell you, I got to listen, folks.
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Sarah
There's some mid-summer goodies in there. There's some lasso goodies in there, but mostly it's a Nat Badland wisdom and she has so much of it.
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Mark
Good. Close to your podcast and device here in my right, in your ears. This lady is impressed that we're raising money for target ovarian cancer. So we need to sell a bit more merch.
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Sarah
It's a good cause. We're happy to support it.
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Mark
It's a fantastic cause and we do sell merch, but I would like to have a little more money to give to these people. Remember, we're not getting anything out of this and in fact we're doubling what you give us.
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Sarah
Yeah.
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Mark
So we spend 45 minutes talking to my new best friend and that and talked about all sorts of things in the Sarah's right midsummer. And we talked Ted Lasso and we talked her career and we talked about where her giving and charitable slant fell in center.
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Sarah
We talked about her hanging from Ropes.
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Mark
Phil.
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Sarah
Philanthropic travel, I mean, you name it, all kinds of fun stuff. She's genuinely and and really interesting generous, awesome.
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Mark
Person cannot cannot be described by anything other than lovely. Yes, she was fantastic. So you will see her on video and audio on YouTube and then you will see.
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Sarah
It'll come out as a podcast.
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Mark
As a podcast episode to just Fantastico.
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Sarah
So that was a weird start to the week. And then that same night, I know it's really boring to hear about people's dreams, but I had this really weird dream that's been following me all week.
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Mark
This is what we've been talking like.
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Sarah
Well, so I had a dream. I was standing in a crowd of people who were all wearing t shirts with big printed text on them that contained some combination of the words quiet than my things. So some people had quiet the night pigs. Some people had pigs. The night quiet, some people had the pig's night quiet or pigs quiet tonight.
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Sarah
It's been following me all week.
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Mark
So of course we immediately took to calling all of.
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Sarah
The night.
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Mark
Piglets.
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Sarah
Because she snores at the foot of our bed every night. She is the night, pig.
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Mark
She is the night.
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Sarah
So then we were joking about bellicose. He's a quiet the night pigs.
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Mark
You know, never mind the fact that on top of all of this is the single solitary, most stressful two week period for my sports watching.
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Sarah
Yeah.
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Mark
Which drives Sarah insane, because I am I am an abused to Toronto Maple Leafs fan. They haven't won a playoff series since 2004 and they haven't won the Cup in my lifetime. So I'm rather tense at this period of time.
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Sarah
So what do they do? The first game in the playoffs, they completely blow it and almost by four points in the second game they win.
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Mark
90 minutes.
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Sarah
Of Yeah and then turned it off pouting so you can watch something.
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Mark
I'm not pouting. I'm not watching them not pouting. They have to do something different for me to watch them. So all of that happened this week. It was crazy time.
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Sarah
Oh, we get to end it with recording this episode about daily speakers Bells. Speakers Awesome.
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Mark
Originally aired in March 16, 2008 for Rodman, the guy who directed the first episode directed this episode, and you can kind of tell it has a definite early Murdoch feel to it. Yeah, I think the characters are further along in their development.
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Sarah
The writing was really good.
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Mark
Larry Leland and Philip Bedard wrote it, which sounds more like hockey players named.
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Sarah
Any comic wire sounding. That sounds like a hockey name. Yeah. Why do you like this episode so much? Give me two reasons why it's one of your favorites.
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Mark
I like this episode because it has an open ending. Okay? And it is unfortunate that they haven't brought this character.
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Sarah
Back because that's one reason.
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Mark
I do like that. I also like that everybody is unsettled by this puppet and it it's always fun when adults are unsettled by unsettling things. It is truly uncanny. The word.
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Sarah
Yeah. Like back and read puts the hat over it so he doesn't have to look at it.
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Mark
So he doesn't have to look at his face. And it is that situation where you have something that is so lifelike and pretends to be lifelike and then isn't lifelike.
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Sarah
It's uncanny. Valley Right?
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Mark
Yeah, it's it's uncanny valley. And so there's a story about this. I forget which famous person was, but some famous person had the Muppets on their show, and one of the Muppets was laying on the table and they were. They were upset. They had to go.
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Sarah
Black, wasn't it?
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Mark
Yeah, I think it was Jack Black. They had to go and say, Oh.
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Sarah
No, it was Bobcat GOLDTHWAIT.
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Mark
Well, yes, Yes, it was Bobcat Go.
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Sarah
GOLDTHWAIT Elmo was just laying on a table, just.
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Mark
Laying on the table. And he was like, Go put your head in him.
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Sarah
Yeah, it's wrong that it's just laying there like a piece of fabric. Yeah, it's like instead.
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Mark
And especially the Muppets, I don't think I, I would expect the Muppets to move if I ever met them. Like, I would expect them to be moving because they are so integral to my entire childhood and adult life.
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Sarah
I think that's the difference. If you saw a muppet puppet, you would want it to move. But when you see a dummy like Minecraft in this episode, you really hope that it doesn't.
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Mark
So. So now the dummy that bothers you in the credits that is in the chair that turns around. Did you notice it's in Murdock's office in this episode?
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Sarah
No, I didn't.
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Mark
Yeah, it is. It's in the background.
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Sarah
It's kind of like an artist's dummy, like one that you posed to do figure sketching.
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Mark
He has that abstract face.
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Sarah
It's mostly that it has a gun that bothers me in the.
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Mark
Mycroft.
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Sarah
Is Mycroft had a gun. He'd be much scarier.
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Mark
So there's a movie in 1978 called Magic with Anthony Hopkins. It's really an incredibly good movie. It has incredibly good people in it, like Ann-Margret and Burgess Meredith. It's fantastic, but it's a scary, killer puppet movie. And the puppet wields weapons in that movie. It's not alive, though. In that movie. It's not like Chucky.
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Sarah
Somebody is moving it.
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Mark
Yeah. Okay.
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Sarah
It's because the puppeteer is actually a puppeteer. Okay? You see, that's the difference he uses.
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Mark
Well, sort of the personality that is the puppet is taken over his personality.
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Sarah
But unlike Chucky, who is autonomous. Right.
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Mark
But he's not.
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Sarah
There's a long line of scary puppets. People are bothered by it, Right? R.L. Stine has that power in the Goosebumps books that keeps coming back and he looks almost just like this one.
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Mark
So yeah, our the same with Stephen King, R.L. Stine. Just because Stephen King makes that really scary and.
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Sarah
GROSS Yeah.
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Mark
I'll turn it back.
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Sarah
And look and write it for kids. Yeah, Yeah. So we get started right away with somebody being dead, right?
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Mark
No, no, no, no. Before that, we get brown brothers on that. Really horrible first shot of the episode. Did you see that? Oh, it's another one of these. Let's take an old picture.
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Sarah
Oh, yeah.
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Mark
And put people in little.
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Sarah
It's just those does bother me. And so I don't talk about.
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Mark
Okay this one is particulary horrible Brown brothers is the the sort of featured thing in.
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Sarah
Storefront in the photo. Yes.
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Mark
And I'm going to I'm not going to spoil anything. But Brown Brothers is one of the buildings that's destroyed in the fire in 1904.
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Sarah
Oh, will you spoil that for us? That happened in reality, right?
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Mark
That happened in.
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Sarah
Reality. Way to ruin reality, Mark.
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Mark
But there's a murdoch connection at that point.
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Sarah
And you gave it away. Yeah. Okay. Then we get the body in.
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Mark
Grimsby is the dead body, and he is found by this drunk, this other drunken guy.
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Sarah
Stanley Poke, poke. Hey, I'm a messing around with my life is quite the catch. Although, I mean.
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Mark
We will get to Amy because she is. I think she may be one of the best parts of the obviously.
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Sarah
Shoulders the door open and Frank Grimsby dead and Crabtree says he's a part time dockworker, full time drunk. Yeah.
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Mark
And this is another fantastic Johnny Harris episode.
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Sarah
Yeah, Crabtree is Crabtree, this is Bracken Reed. They're both really fun.
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Mark
Crabtree and Bracken Reed carry this episode when they need to.
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Sarah
When they need to. Yeah. And it's clear that Grimsby has died of some kind of poisoning or something because, well, there's a puddle of vomit.
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Mark
What do you think they make that vomit of?
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Sarah
If I had to guess about this particular vomit mark, I would say it's cream of chicken soup.
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Mark
It's certainly.
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Sarah
Yes.
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Mark
And creamy.
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Sarah
And it's got to be something edible because it's in the actor's mouth. Yeah. Poor Duncan MacLeod, who plays Roderick Grimsby.
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Mark
Who does a good job. He.
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Sarah
He's not just a corpse able to be still. He gets manhandled, rolled over. Yep. Throttled. Now he has an autopsy? Yeah, He has to have the vomit on his face and his mouth and will act.
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Mark
For a character who only walks into a room and then gets Father's poured down his throat. He goes a phenomenal amount of acting.
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Sarah
He really does. Yeah. I'm going to go with Cream of Chicken Soup. What do you think it is?
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Mark
It might be custard. It's pretty creamy.
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Sarah
It's got lumps in it. Oh, that's right. I was going cream of chicken.
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Mark
So let's think about it.
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Sarah
It could be cream emulsion.
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Mark
So you come in as an actor, you have to get your makeup done right now. Blue and green noses, the dead body.
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Sarah
Yeah. It's got to have the bruises put on his neck.
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Mark
So many years to lay down. Yeah. And then an intern, I'm assuming it's.
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Sarah
Oh, no, this is important work. That's true. The puddle of vomit has to be just right. This is a professional job.
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Mark
I am the volunteer.
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Sarah
Yes. Executive vomit. Vomit artist.
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Mark
From the.
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Sarah
Cast? Yes. The puke practitioner.
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Mark
Vomiting.
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Sarah
Mess. Fancy.
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Mark
Now it's like Somalia, but yeah.
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Sarah
They've got it prepared in some kind of container.
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Mark
They vaccinated allergies.
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Sarah
And all that stuff.
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Mark
They got to talk to him while he's doing it because you want to make him comfortable as possible.
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Sarah
Yeah.
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Mark
And then you're putting it on the carpet. The other thing is they must have to deal with in Murdoch that, okay, these are walls that we made and furniture that we made so you can do all sorts of crap with them. But this is an actual antique here.
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Sarah
It's a nice rug. It's big. It's beautiful.
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Mark
So it has to be something that doesn't damage that rug. I bet you that rubbed his legs.
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Sarah
Or it can't. Yeah, I can't stain it can't hurt his skin. It has to be edible, nontoxic and non allergenic.
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Mark
It's a puzzle.
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Sarah
If he was a vegetarian, then it would be like cream and mushroom. But if he's not, I'm going cream of chicken. You're saying custard, but there's lumpy bits. Now I've made custard that winds up with lumpy bits that are not supposed to be in there. That's when you have to strain the custard. That's not a euphemism for anything.
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Mark
Now the header chrome here comes up later on, but if you notice, they're pushing the visuals right away.
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Sarah
Oh yeah, His eyes are open and you see that they're two different colors, one's brownish, one's bluish gray. It's great curb's acting because Murdoch comes in and rolls him halfway over, puts his hand on his throat, everything. And it's just.
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Mark
Fantastic, but have.
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Sarah
No chance vomit rolling around and then. And then, you know, the weirdness switch gets flipped.
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Mark
Oh, the voice.
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Sarah
Because you hear it. You still hear he's still here. And immediately I am creeped out. Everybody turns and looks at the wardrobe. Yeah, Like you open it, You open it, you open it. Crabtree kind of steps. Takes a step back at first. Yeah. Joy is like I'm behind you, Murdoch.
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Mark
Protect me, Murdoch.
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Sarah
What would you do?
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Mark
I Well, okay.
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Sarah
So you're in. You're in our house. You're in our bedroom. We have three closets in our bedroom. Yeah, all the sliding doors. And you hear that voice clearly coming from one of them.
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Mark
I'm telling you to get out of the house and I'll investigate.
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Sarah
Are you just going to start opening doors? Yeah. You wouldn't get out to.
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Mark
No, I.
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Sarah
Mean, they're police. It's their job to open the.
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Mark
Door to find out what it is before I call the police.
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Sarah
Okay? And you just find a dummy sitting in the closet.
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Mark
Good bye, Mark. Save all that.
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Sarah
Could happen in our.
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Mark
House. That could happen to her. We noticed that. Okay, Inner library. We have a full sized representation of Slimer from Ghostbusters. Yes. Have you noticed that he's kind of leaning on the telescope, kind of looking for Lord lately?
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Sarah
Yeah, he's shifted a little bit and he's like.
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Mark
Oh, I'm tired, poor guy.
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Sarah
He just sits in the front room all the time.
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Mark
And that is our life.
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Sarah
Yes, I'm looking at four boxes with skeletons in them right now. Okay, that's just how we are. So it's perfectly possible that you would open the closet door and they're going down.
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Mark
And trying to figure out what weapon I would get.
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Sarah
That's what we don't have is a bunch of weapons around Rolling pin.
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Mark
I'd probably get a knife or a rolling pin from the kitchen.
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Sarah
I go for rolling pin because it's less likely to get turned on you used against you.
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Mark
I could see that knife.
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Sarah
Yeah. If you wrestle over it, you're going to get hurt.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
I got one of those rolling pins that has a little rings on it so you can roll Cookie dough at the right depth. Yeah, So it's got extra. You're going to leave a weird mark by somebody if you.
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Mark
Know.
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Sarah
That dent is exactly one quarter of an inch deep.
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Mark
Plus, if I open up the door, I got to be honest. I open up the door and there's a doll there and it's saying that it still I'm beaten to death.
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Sarah
You're grabbing its head with one hand and its body with the other hand pole and.
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Mark
Just beating it.
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Sarah
Why are you doing that, Mark?
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Mark
Apple Oh, no, it's my name.
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Sarah
It's time you pull it in half and then you hear he's still here. Oh, there's another dummy in the next closet. What are you doing? Yeah, he's just sitting in the wardrobe. And then he basically confesses to the murder.
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Mark
That is there to lead you back to the wardrobe later.
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Sarah
On. Right. Harcourt is a ventriloquist by profession. I guess he's trying to be a professional ventriloquist, which means also comedian. Yeah. Do you know the history of ventriloquism?
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Mark
So there's there's a there's a turn in this history, right? There's everything that happens before.
00;18;19;17 - 00;18;20;05
Sarah
Vaudeville.
00;18;20;06 - 00;18;26;05
Mark
Vaudeville and everything after and really before vaudeville can be summed up with the word demons.
00;18;28;04 - 00;18;37;20
Sarah
Not demons so much as. But it's belly talker, right? Yeah. That's why they call it belly speaker the episode. Because ventriloquist really means belly talker.
00;18;37;20 - 00;18;38;05
Mark
Yes.
00;18;38;15 - 00;18;45;00
Sarah
But in in Greece, in ancient Greece, they called it gastro Nancy gasp. Yeah.
00;18;45;05 - 00;18;45;15
Mark
So it.
00;18;45;21 - 00;18;47;12
Sarah
Sounds like reading entrails, but.
00;18;47;19 - 00;18;52;20
Mark
It does. Or the sound that my stomach makes when I am stomach cramps.
00;18;54;21 - 00;19;08;22
Sarah
It was related to necromancy. Oh, but Castor Manzi. And they believed that it was the voices of the dead that were trapped in your stomach and made their way out through your mouth.
00;19;09;12 - 00;19;10;19
Mark
Okay. Okay.
00;19;10;22 - 00;19;11;13
Sarah
So if you want.
00;19;11;15 - 00;19;11;24
Mark
To talk.
00;19;11;24 - 00;19;22;09
Sarah
To the dead, you would talk to a ventriloquist and they might be able to, like, channel somebody or the or the quote on living, which means some other spirit.
00;19;22;19 - 00;19;29;00
Mark
The idea of a medium taking being taken over by a spirit isn't new. The idea of it being in your stomach.
00;19;29;00 - 00;19;30;25
Sarah
Specifically in your stomach.
00;19;30;25 - 00;19;32;13
Mark
Yeah, that's a little weird.
00;19;32;13 - 00;19;33;22
Sarah
Like, how does it get there?
00;19;33;26 - 00;19;39;06
Mark
How like, do you have to eat the person? Is it cannibal or something?
00;19;39;21 - 00;19;54;17
Sarah
I don't know. I mean, if you were actually a cannibal, like, if you were from a culture where cannibalism was a thing and that's how you had it, I mean, after a while, you'd have a whole chorus of people yelling out of your mouth, right? Oh, every time you open your mouth, Oh, me, I'm sitting there.
00;19;55;00 - 00;19;56;20
Mark
And I'm stacked. It kinda.
00;19;57;07 - 00;20;02;12
Sarah
Hey, heartburn would have a whole different meaning for you. And stop being Gertrude Kind of.
00;20;02;12 - 00;20;04;00
Mark
Makes you guilty right away.
00;20;04;09 - 00;20;25;25
Sarah
I kind of give you away. You know? That was me. I said that? Well, it was in a funny voice, Bob. It sounded like an Evelyn who's missing now. It's not. You know, I couldn't believe when I was reading through the history in your in your right vaudeville. And, you know, people had, you know, the dummies and Charlie Parker and all that stuff.
00;20;25;26 - 00;20;30;16
Sarah
I couldn't believe how many ventriloquists there were on early radio. Yeah, which.
00;20;30;18 - 00;20;30;27
Mark
Makes.
00;20;31;13 - 00;20;34;10
Sarah
No sense to me whatsoever.
00;20;34;28 - 00;20;37;19
Mark
Like, for example, let me throw my voice.
00;20;37;22 - 00;20;54;17
Sarah
Yeah, It would be like me and you saying that we're going to grow up, right? If I talk kind of funny voice, it's not me like I'm not moving my mouth. I promise you. I wonder if they actually brought a dummy into the studio when they did that or if they just talked in a different way.
00;20;55;03 - 00;20;58;06
Mark
Wow. I would ask Candice Bergen that if I met her.
00;20;58;10 - 00;20;58;24
Sarah
Why?
00;20;58;27 - 00;21;05;27
Mark
Because her father is Victor Bergen and Charlie McCarthy. Oh, she was raised in a house with that wooden puppet.
00;21;05;28 - 00;21;14;07
Sarah
Okay. You say Charlie McCarthy. Is it that is it McCarthy? Because I think of McCarthy in the communist trials and all that. Is it?
00;21;14;07 - 00;21;17;12
Mark
MCCARTHY Yeah, it's Victor Bergen and Charlie McCarthy.
00;21;17;12 - 00;21;20;24
Sarah
Okay. I said Charlie Parker earlier didn't double check.
00;21;20;28 - 00;21;25;03
Mark
We did screw up the name in a couple of ways. It's Edgar Bergen.
00;21;25;04 - 00;21;25;19
Sarah
Okay.
00;21;25;22 - 00;21;27;28
Mark
Who is Candice Bergen's father.
00;21;27;28 - 00;21;28;08
Sarah
Yeah.
00;21;28;19 - 00;21;32;04
Mark
And Charlie McCarthy and Mortimer. Senator.
00;21;32;04 - 00;21;36;19
Sarah
His daughter was injured. Is that's it's a funny name.
00;21;37;15 - 00;21;39;07
Mark
And he's that but two.
00;21;39;08 - 00;21;57;02
Sarah
Yeah. The Howdy Doody look, talent, duty, work. There's another dummy for yet another puppet for you. I can understand why, like, vaudeville acts that did puppets were funny. And then when. When radio became popular, they would want to move. But it's one of those examples of that doesn't translate to this medium.
00;21;57;10 - 00;22;02;22
Mark
No. You know, you understand why it's so popular in vaudeville and radio shows because.
00;22;02;22 - 00;22;22;17
Sarah
You're there to see it. Yeah. You know, and there's no special effects yet, so you get to see it in person. But on the radio, I mean, come on, that's a leap of faith. Yeah, that's. It could just be a completely different person talking. And you're pretending it's your dummy. Brackenridge says that Harcourts as mad as a box of frog.
00;22;22;17 - 00;22;23;03
Mark
Box of.
00;22;23;03 - 00;22;36;09
Sarah
Frogs. I love that saying. Do you know where it comes from? No. I love looking up the origins of phrases like that to see if there are like original uses are close to what we think they mean now.
00;22;36;11 - 00;22;36;22
Mark
Yep.
00;22;37;04 - 00;22;45;18
Sarah
And this one does. But it comes from this book, from 1868 called Crockett Castle by Thomas Love Peacock.
00;22;45;26 - 00;22;47;02
Mark
That's quite the name.
00;22;47;02 - 00;23;08;25
Sarah
And it's a series of books by Peacock, and they're almost satirical allegories. Okay. Like the characters have names like Charles Chainmail and Little Miss Whatsit and stuff like that. Like they're bizarre. But a character says that man's as mad as a box of frogs, and that's the first time it's in print.
00;23;08;25 - 00;23;19;24
Mark
Anyway, I'm absolutely convinced that the Mignola who created Hellboy, the whole first series of that book is based on evil frogs.
00;23;20;21 - 00;23;23;14
Sarah
They are gross. They are. If you've seen the movie of super.
00;23;23;14 - 00;23;24;17
Mark
Gross Evil.
00;23;24;17 - 00;23;41;13
Sarah
Frogs, this episode is also another one that highlights the lack of one way mirrors. And 1893 over and over again, you were just standing outside of that window. You don't even know if it's a glass window or if it's just like a great.
00;23;41;13 - 00;23;44;00
Mark
It's just a great And did you notice it was open.
00;23;44;08 - 00;23;46;27
Sarah
So they can completely hear what's being.
00;23;47;02 - 00;23;48;23
Mark
Like open in about an inch.
00;23;49;00 - 00;23;51;03
Sarah
There. So there's absolutely no privacy.
00;23;51;03 - 00;23;52;17
Mark
Noticed it was open.
00;23;53;01 - 00;24;03;11
Sarah
So when Doyle standing out there and having a conversation with Murdoch, Harcourt can hear every word they're saying, Well, no, eating is not creme of chicken soup. It is cream of celery. Yes.
00;24;03;17 - 00;24;11;03
Mark
You know, you know what? Gag also works in the 1890, the Don't interrupt me gag. Oh.
00;24;11;12 - 00;24;14;29
Sarah
You promised you wouldn't interrupt, Doyle. You're interrupting me.
00;24;14;29 - 00;24;18;10
Mark
Yep. You know where the best place in Toronto to flirt is?
00;24;19;17 - 00;24;20;04
Sarah
The more.
00;24;20;05 - 00;24;21;07
Mark
The more.
00;24;21;10 - 00;24;22;23
Sarah
Yeah. Once there are.
00;24;22;23 - 00;24;25;05
Mark
Always that sexy talk. And of course.
00;24;25;06 - 00;24;26;27
Sarah
That's the only time they see each other.
00;24;27;15 - 00;24;28;08
Mark
I guess.
00;24;28;08 - 00;24;31;10
Sarah
When they're. Well, they're standing over a body, but they're not at a scene.
00;24;31;11 - 00;24;44;24
Mark
Boy, do they get genetics completely wrong. They do it. They try their best. But like for Murdoch to have read men, old men, he would have had to read it in the original Austrian.
00;24;45;10 - 00;24;46;10
Sarah
Too early, German.
00;24;46;10 - 00;25;00;09
Mark
Early, German, Mendel was not popular or anything at this point in time. The word gene wasn't even coined to to 1909, so she wouldn't have said genetics. It's just that is for a modern audience right there.
00;25;00;18 - 00;25;06;00
Sarah
But I love the idea of Murdoch sitting on the beach, Regan reading Gregor Mendel's treatise.
00;25;06;00 - 00;25;09;20
Mark
And I love how she's like summer reading, summer reading.
00;25;10;12 - 00;25;31;24
Sarah
And he's like, Yeah, that is what I read. Like summer reading. I remember when we first learned about Gregor Mendel in school and we had to do Punnett squares for genetics and we had to read about his pea plant experiments, and it was in high school. So of course every time the teacher said something about pea plant, people were like.
00;25;32;12 - 00;25;32;21
Mark
Yeah.
00;25;33;06 - 00;25;36;26
Sarah
You said pea plant. Be like, Really?
00;25;37;02 - 00;25;37;26
Mark
So he kind.
00;25;37;26 - 00;25;38;02
Sarah
Of.
00;25;38;13 - 00;25;42;15
Mark
Produced his paper and told some people and then just.
00;25;42;15 - 00;25;43;17
Sarah
Wasn't he a monk?
00;25;44;06 - 00;25;56;20
Mark
He was a monk in the way that he took that vocation because it was kind of chosen for him. He didn't come from very rich people and he wanted to go to college and something else.
00;25;56;24 - 00;25;57;20
Sarah
So at Ryan.
00;25;58;00 - 00;26;05;09
Mark
Augustine, he failed at being a science teacher. He wanted to become a science teacher and he kind of failed at that.
00;26;05;09 - 00;26;07;02
Sarah
But being a monk led him to science.
00;26;07;02 - 00;26;15;18
Mark
So they basically let him run the garden. And while he was in the garden, he's a scientifically minded person. He starts to do experiments.
00;26;15;25 - 00;26;18;18
Sarah
Exactly. So crossbreed these people.
00;26;19;08 - 00;26;25;07
Mark
So people are like, I have problems with his statistics. Well, okay, He was.
00;26;25;19 - 00;26;30;01
Sarah
Like making stuff up as he went along trying to figure it out. His break.
00;26;30;04 - 00;26;36;12
Mark
His ideas were so incredibly important. It's okay that his statistics were not the best.
00;26;36;12 - 00;26;37;26
Sarah
Yeah. Why give him a break?
00;26;37;26 - 00;26;52;22
Mark
Do you? And he never got credit. He never got a Nobel Prize or anything like that. And he became Abbot later on and then died peacefully. His super sort of non. In a world where you are about to get the rock star science.
00;26;52;22 - 00;26;54;21
Sarah
He didn't care 80 per.
00;26;54;28 - 00;26;57;18
Mark
A madam Curry and Einstein.
00;26;57;18 - 00;27;11;10
Sarah
Yeah during his lifetime you didn't have notoriety. Yeah. You know who's not a peaceful monk type? No, no. Well. Oh, because he hunts aggressively and then throws his Kane at everybody. Why does he do that?
00;27;11;10 - 00;27;14;05
Mark
So surprise Arthur CONAN Doyle.
00;27;14;20 - 00;27;14;28
Sarah
Yes.
00;27;16;00 - 00;27;23;28
Mark
I was like, So Thursdays I get the pictures or this episode to prepare the reminder social media posts. I'm like.
00;27;24;14 - 00;27;43;01
Sarah
Doyle, I forgot Doyle in his Yeah, he just shows up and starts throwing that knob. Kerry At everybody. Yeah. There's so many times when I'm like, Stop doing that. You're going to hit somebody in the face. It's got a great big silver knob on the top. It's got to be heavy. Bracken He catches it.
00;27;43;07 - 00;27;46;14
Mark
Yeah, that did. He's going to do some tap.
00;27;46;14 - 00;27;49;08
Sarah
Well, box later. Okay? Yep. Yeah. We're old boys.
00;27;49;14 - 00;27;56;28
Mark
But he's only concerned about the death of an old Chinese guy. And the show tries not to be racist here.
00;27;58;11 - 00;27;58;29
Sarah
It does.
00;27;59;17 - 00;28;10;07
Mark
It tries not to be, but, boy, it's like he's like, all over Julia. And I'm like, Oh, and we're like, Oh, we're not sure which restaurants in Toronto.
00;28;10;14 - 00;28;15;25
Sarah
What's French? There's no French food. French don't eat food. You can't possibly go to eat with Julia.
00;28;15;28 - 00;28;16;26
Mark
I want my stomach.
00;28;16;26 - 00;28;30;23
Sarah
God, did. Doyle kisses her hand and she's got a vial of vomit or other hand like I wouldn't be kissed. Enjoy his hand for a million bucks. She. She doesn't even have running water and a sink. She washes her hand in a bowl.
00;28;30;24 - 00;28;31;04
Mark
No.
00;28;31;19 - 00;28;40;16
Sarah
No. In the morgue. Like, where's the soap, Julia? Where's the clean water? Julia, That water was already pink when you put your hands in.
00;28;40;17 - 00;28;47;04
Mark
Washes the love water for was the lung.
00;28;47;04 - 00;28;53;20
Sarah
Water is great for moisturizing your hands. If your hands are a little bit chapped to vomit. Great.
00;28;53;23 - 00;28;57;13
Mark
So I have a question. I have to I have a question here.
00;28;57;17 - 00;28;57;28
Sarah
Okay.
00;28;58;03 - 00;29;04;05
Mark
Was this product called Mycroft before they wrote this, before they put Arthur CONAN Doyle in this episode?
00;29;04;06 - 00;29;07;13
Sarah
Mycroft was not that unusual a name.
00;29;07;16 - 00;29;09;22
Mark
Yeah. He goes, It's a name I'm familiar with.
00;29;09;23 - 00;29;21;03
Sarah
It sort of stops being used in the early 19 tens. Yeah, unless you're a Sherlock Holmes fan. And then, you know, like you named your kid Buffy because you like Buffy the Vampire.
00;29;21;03 - 00;29;23;15
Mark
So Mycroft, is Sherlock Holmes as brother?
00;29;23;17 - 00;29;38;01
Sarah
Yes, but the name Mycroft was not that unusual, so it's completely possible. Okay, but did the writers change the doll's name and brother's name to be Mycroft when they added Doyle to the episode?
00;29;38;07 - 00;30;02;07
Mark
Maybe he's a minor character and like, how the Baskervilles Mycroft is my always my favorite part. I love Mycroft, the Mycroft Holmes in the Jeremy Brett Sherlock Holmes is fantastic. Mycroft in Sherlock is played by Mark Gatiss. When he showed up, I was like, Oh yeah, it's.
00;30;02;07 - 00;30;18;13
Sarah
On, I think naming the dummy Mycroft and the brother of Mycroft in this episode really just makes it a little bit confusing. Oh, because Doyle's in it. Oh, I if they changed it to Mycroft because of that character being in it, I think they didn't need to.
00;30;18;15 - 00;30;22;23
Mark
Because the character already been maimed. When Ashcroft appears in the books.
00;30;22;29 - 00;30;30;26
Sarah
Yes. Oh yeah. Early. And also, I don't know why a dockworker and a house cleaner would have named their kids Mycroft and Harcourt.
00;30;30;26 - 00;30;31;10
Mark
Yes.
00;30;31;16 - 00;30;33;14
Sarah
Like wouldn't they have been James and William?
00;30;33;22 - 00;30;38;17
Mark
I keep on thinking Horror confronted my character on Star Trek.
00;30;38;25 - 00;30;40;07
Sarah
Oh, sorry.
00;30;40;12 - 00;30;45;27
Mark
Yeah. Harcourt and Mycroft, they are weird names for kids of traditional people.
00;30;46;06 - 00;30;47;23
Sarah
Not traditional, full time drunkard.
00;30;47;27 - 00;30;48;13
Mark
Full time.
00;30;48;13 - 00;30;49;23
Sarah
Drunkards. Don't name their kids.
00;30;49;23 - 00;30;55;12
Mark
Harcourt Yes, Speaking of Fred Russell, his name gets dropped in here like nothing.
00;30;55;21 - 00;30;59;17
Sarah
Well, Doyle says that he has seen Fred Russell perform.
00;30;59;27 - 00;31;19;13
Mark
So Fred Russell is a pretty interesting cat. He starts as a journalist and then basically does ventriloquism on the side. And Tom completely revolutionizes ventriloquism because he came up with the notion of the straight man and the and the puppet that told the jokes.
00;31;19;27 - 00;31;20;23
Sarah
That's amazing.
00;31;20;29 - 00;31;22;07
Mark
And I would say.
00;31;22;07 - 00;31;25;10
Sarah
So before then. The puppet was the serious one.
00;31;25;10 - 00;31;35;20
Mark
No, they they just had conversations. The idea of that being comedic is from him. In addition, he wore top hat and tails. And I would say that.
00;31;35;23 - 00;31;36;22
Sarah
That's iconic.
00;31;36;22 - 00;31;44;00
Mark
That Charlie McCarthy, that the Edgar Bergen puppet who is in top hat and tails is probably a nod to him.
00;31;44;06 - 00;31;44;19
Sarah
Yeah.
00;31;44;24 - 00;32;07;01
Mark
So he basically works as a journalist. And then after he does a couple of shows this guy in London goes, You can do this for a night a week at my theater because everybody loves it. And MIT built shows around him in built variety shows around him, so much so that he became he set up the Variety Performers Union in England.
00;32;07;17 - 00;32;15;00
Mark
So he he's a big deal organizer, incredibly well loved by both the public and other performers.
00;32;15;03 - 00;32;18;01
Sarah
Because you hear of people who are famous and also just good people.
00;32;18;12 - 00;32;28;10
Mark
He got an OBE, 1948. Charlie Chaplin spoke at his 90th birthday party. Oh, nothing but glowing terms, said that he wouldn't have had a career without him.
00;32;28;15 - 00;32;32;10
Sarah
Does his puppet have an accent that comes from the place that he didn't come from?
00;32;32;15 - 00;32;34;20
Mark
No, because that's kind of stupid.
00;32;34;27 - 00;32;37;06
Sarah
Because Mycroft is from the Bronx. I guess it's.
00;32;38;02 - 00;32;39;16
Mark
Corrupted from the borough.
00;32;39;20 - 00;32;41;10
Sarah
Yeah, that accent.
00;32;42;06 - 00;32;49;22
Mark
Can you imagine two kids running around doing that at every little kid? Does strange voices.
00;32;49;22 - 00;32;54;04
Sarah
What do you do, Inspector? Crampy cramping crab in bed.
00;32;54;09 - 00;32;55;20
Mark
Oh, the puppets.
00;32;55;20 - 00;33;07;10
Sarah
Adorable little kids that do weird voices for their animals. Yeah, Murdoch has his teddy bear near bear guy. That is the epitome of boring, isn't it? Yes, I am boring. You're right.
00;33;07;22 - 00;33;11;19
Mark
That that part is so fantastically Murdoch.
00;33;11;20 - 00;33;18;25
Sarah
Is supposed to be touching. Like, I understand, identifying with, you know, having an imaginary first part.
00;33;19;03 - 00;33;20;02
Mark
So touching.
00;33;20;02 - 00;33;20;16
Sarah
Like, Oh.
00;33;20;26 - 00;33;21;23
Mark
What did you eat?
00;33;22;13 - 00;33;25;00
Sarah
Bear o o.
00;33;25;04 - 00;33;27;25
Mark
Over. Who's the walrus?
00;33;28;17 - 00;33;33;03
Sarah
And then Mrs. Polk shows up and just flashes her boobs.
00;33;33;03 - 00;33;46;23
Mark
Okay, so first of all, Mrs. Polk is a combination of the world's horniest cameraperson. And Mrs. Polk. Is she the most sexually blatant character in all of Murdoch?
00;33;46;28 - 00;34;02;22
Sarah
I don't know. She's. There are some characters who are supposed to be prostitutes that are a little bit more overt or cancan girls who are more overt. But as far as hobbies. Sex. Yeah. Yes, she is. First of.
00;34;02;22 - 00;34;07;19
Mark
All, she is in no way there's no filter here.
00;34;07;19 - 00;34;08;08
Sarah
No, the.
00;34;08;08 - 00;34;14;07
Mark
First thing she says is, of course, he didn't give me a key because I would have went in this house, drank all this.
00;34;14;07 - 00;34;21;11
Sarah
Booze, and whoever did her makeup use and then tired bottle a tooth stain on her. Her teeth are so bad.
00;34;21;21 - 00;34;24;28
Mark
If you notice, her teeth are stained and so.
00;34;24;28 - 00;34;28;20
Sarah
Are Harcourt teeth. Yeah, it's a class thing.
00;34;28;24 - 00;34;29;07
Mark
Yeah.
00;34;29;08 - 00;34;50;13
Sarah
Do you know how they'd put that on? No. So if they call, it's like tooth varnish or tooth paint. So you have to completely dry the tooth and then you brush it on like nail polish. Oh, right. So you have to like take a paper or Q-Tip and dry the tooth until it's like, okay. And then you brush it on and then you got to kind of fatalis back and let it dry while they do the next line.
00;34;50;13 - 00;35;08;25
Sarah
So you got to like how your left like that, which is why you always see it on people's top teeth, but not on their bottom teeth because it's just like you can't just like hold your bottom lip down for like an hour and let it dry. But what I learned looking into this today, I knew about it, but I was looking to see where the technology had moved to.
00;35;08;26 - 00;35;28;11
Sarah
If you put it on a crown, yeah, it'll stain it. Oh, so if. Don't try it. If you don't have your real teeth because it comes right off Real teeth. Yeah. With a Q-Tip with some alcohol on it. Yeah. But if you put it on a crown or a porcelain veneer or something. Yeah. I just soaks in and it'll be that color drinking alcohol.
00;35;28;12 - 00;35;32;21
Mark
Mrs. Polk certainly enjoys her alcohol and her sexy sex.
00;35;32;22 - 00;35;38;23
Sarah
She takes her shawl down, like, look at my cleavage. And Murdock's like, Oh, that's uncomfortable. Okay. Yeah.
00;35;39;19 - 00;35;43;21
Mark
And then she says, Probably the best line in the episode.
00;35;44;05 - 00;35;52;23
Sarah
I was just there not. Boots with Rowdy Boy. Mr. Murdoch, I figure if the love is top drawer and the man wants to bring puppets into it. I'm not complaining, am I?
00;35;53;19 - 00;35;57;11
Mark
I you know, puppets is a line for me.
00;35;58;17 - 00;36;09;02
Sarah
Yeah. We all have our limits. No matter how good the loving is, puppets are right out. And I don't know why Ronnie would have had the puppet anyway. It's hardcore. It's puppet and hardcore didn't love.
00;36;09;02 - 00;36;10;29
Mark
They're. He's concerned about the puppet.
00;36;12;00 - 00;36;16;04
Sarah
I guess he wants to cry and talk about the puppet every time he gets dry.
00;36;16;06 - 00;36;19;12
Mark
Don't know. But the loving was good, so I.
00;36;19;19 - 00;36;31;10
Sarah
Okay, so here's how I interpret it. Remember, this is a spoiler podcast. We're about to tell you who the killer is and what happened and what you know, The end doesn't give it all the way. Yeah, I don't think he was talking about the puppet at all. I think he was talking about his son.
00;36;31;10 - 00;36;32;08
Mark
I do as well.
00;36;32;08 - 00;36;41;17
Sarah
He's crying about Mycroft. His son? Yeah. Not a puppet. Who? That's the only Mycroft she knows is the puppet. So, yeah, she thinks he's crying about it.
00;36;41;17 - 00;36;45;24
Mark
I completely agree. We need to have a climactic boxing match.
00;36;46;01 - 00;37;04;06
Sarah
Well, before we get there. Just so you know, if you hear Mrs. Polk talked about knockin boots. Yes, she's talking about making move having sex. Yep. And it's a pretty common since maybe the late nineties to be used in songs about hooking up with people.
00;37;04;06 - 00;37;06;23
Mark
But the rappers of the nineties, the.
00;37;06;23 - 00;37;31;29
Sarah
Reference goes in term, supposedly it goes way back. I found it in Castle's Dictionary of Slang where it says that it originates in the Wild West. Yeah, where cowboys would put their boots under the bed when they got into bed, and if things were active, the boots would knock into each other. Yeah, I'm personally not buying that explanation because I don't think cowboy boots make any noise when they knock into each other.
00;37;31;29 - 00;37;32;20
Sarah
They're just leather.
00;37;33;03 - 00;37;41;25
Mark
The other thing I heard was that you wear the boots during the activity and you're knockin your boots together. Okay. I was like, Who.
00;37;42;06 - 00;37;44;00
Sarah
You wearing your cowboy boots? And Ben?
00;37;44;21 - 00;37;49;06
Mark
Because remember, as I mentioned before with Murdock, there was horseshit everywhere.
00;37;49;06 - 00;38;10;03
Sarah
Everywhere. But my favorite thing about looking into this was I saw it was like a discussion where somebody posted, you know, what's the origin of that? And somebody answered that Well, somebody explained what it meant and then talked about the origin and. The next comment was great. This explanation has ruined this song for me. I thought knocking Boots was a reference to line dancing.
00;38;11;17 - 00;38;14;22
Sarah
It's not line dancing. You are unless it's a horizontal line.
00;38;15;09 - 00;38;16;01
Mark
Incorrect.
00;38;17;02 - 00;38;25;26
Sarah
Yeah. So Doyle and Bracken Reeder boxing in the bar. Yeah. And nobody's breaking it up because they're classy. Yeah, right. They're classy guys. They both got vests on their.
00;38;25;26 - 00;38;27;10
Mark
Doesn't know how to turn the screw.
00;38;27;11 - 00;38;28;10
Sarah
Sleeves, fold it.
00;38;28;10 - 00;38;29;00
Mark
Up. Yeah.
00;38;29;11 - 00;38;30;21
Sarah
Why are they doing this?
00;38;31;18 - 00;38;34;09
Mark
I think. I don't know.
00;38;35;02 - 00;38;36;29
Sarah
They're pugilists. They're just having fun.
00;38;37;10 - 00;38;41;19
Mark
I guess. I guess they're having fun, and they're trying to prove how manly they are.
00;38;41;19 - 00;38;43;24
Sarah
I think the actors were having a really good time.
00;38;44;01 - 00;38;51;11
Mark
In Sherlock Holmes. He fights, but everyone at the beginning of any Sherlock Holmes fight thinks he's a dandy.
00;38;51;28 - 00;38;53;23
Sarah
They don't think he's going to be a very good fighter.
00;38;53;23 - 00;38;55;06
Mark
And then he kicks their box.
00;38;55;06 - 00;38;56;25
Sarah
But he's studied. Yeah, yeah.
00;38;57;00 - 00;38;59;02
Mark
Maybe that has part of it.
00;38;59;02 - 00;39;15;05
Sarah
Well, and if you went to a fancy private school, you would learn boxing the pugilistic arts. But that's not Bracken and Reed. He didn't go to a fancy private school. No, He would have learned how to box from the streets. Yeah. So I don't know which of them would have actually won. I don't know. They're well-matched, though. They're having a good time.
00;39;15;05 - 00;39;21;21
Sarah
Well, one thing you should know, Mark, is it shellac effects the muscular system, and varnish just causes gastric bleeding.
00;39;21;24 - 00;39;23;02
Mark
Duh duh.
00;39;23;02 - 00;39;24;11
Sarah
Who doesn't know that?
00;39;24;11 - 00;39;25;25
Mark
He doesn't know that.
00;39;27;04 - 00;39;27;27
Sarah
So clearly, he.
00;39;28;02 - 00;39;30;00
Mark
Wears tux all the time.
00;39;30;03 - 00;39;36;28
Sarah
I don't think he ever gets change clothes. Once they once they find him in the wardrobe, that's it. He's under arrest. He never goes.
00;39;36;28 - 00;39;37;29
Mark
Home. He never goes.
00;39;37;29 - 00;39;53;09
Sarah
Home. We'll call him Harcourt, because that's all we're going to call him for now. Yeah, but they they make this big deal out of. Well, the dummy is so important that he only used the finest shellac. How often would you have to shellac that dummy? It's not like you have to do it every day.
00;39;53;18 - 00;39;59;19
Mark
Yeah. And the other thing about the dummy, the weird to me out is the the portal at the top of it head.
00;40;02;09 - 00;40;20;25
Sarah
So you have to know the mechanics of a dummy, right? Yes. Cable's in there. Yeah. So there's a job mechanism that's a trigger. So you pull the trigger on a stick and that shortens a cable. It pulls the cable down, and that makes the job go up and down, right? Yeah. You turn that handle left and right and that turns the whole head.
00;40;21;05 - 00;40;53;26
Sarah
But then you would have two little loops that are attached to wires that are on two of your fingers. And one of them opens and closes the eyelid mechanism and the other one moves the eyes left and right. Okay. Okay. So those are finicky things. I know mice build them, they're finicky and so you've got to have a way to access that eye mechanism, which is why he has a screw top head, because you have to take that part of his head off to access the back of his eyes and make sure that those cables are attached firmly.
00;40;54;09 - 00;41;01;15
Sarah
Because the last thing you want is for a cable to snap and then the eyes just go flip and they don't move anymore. And they look really weird.
00;41;01;17 - 00;41;02;23
Mark
Then it looks undead.
00;41;02;29 - 00;41;22;06
Sarah
But it it is an entire like you're gripping the rod with the palm of your hand and like a couple of your fingers, you've got your finger on the trigger. You've got two loops on two fingers and you're turning your hand back and forth. It's when he says his hand has got nerve damage and goes numb. I can believe it, because it would be it's difficult to do well.
00;41;22;06 - 00;41;32;18
Mark
And there's a person listed as the puppeteer in this episode who I'm assuming is actually doing the puppetry. Whenever you can't see the the actor. Hold that or hold it.
00;41;32;18 - 00;41;39;03
Sarah
Yeah. Like when he's being interrogated, the puppeteer could be kneeling behind him. You wouldn't see him. He'd be next to him.
00;41;39;08 - 00;41;43;11
Mark
Sort of like those people in the hallway that we can't see through the screen.
00;41;43;27 - 00;41;46;15
Sarah
No, we can see them perfectly and hear them. Oh.
00;41;46;24 - 00;41;47;29
Mark
Okay. Well, there's.
00;41;48;04 - 00;41;49;29
Sarah
Some islands, by the way.
00;41;50;01 - 00;41;52;00
Mark
He is. And there's a subplot.
00;41;52;22 - 00;41;57;25
Sarah
I know he's sad about his wife, but so to take it out on an entire bar subplot.
00;41;58;19 - 00;42;05;23
Mark
I didn't like the Here's a big black guy who's going to beat you up. I felt that was a little too on the nose.
00;42;05;27 - 00;42;12;19
Sarah
I don't think his intention is to come beat Doyle up. I think his intention is to come restrain him. That's why he doesn't punch him back.
00;42;12;20 - 00;42;13;28
Mark
I think so. But he.
00;42;13;28 - 00;42;18;07
Sarah
Gets. But Murdock has special powers. If he grabs your collar, you're incapable of fighting back.
00;42;18;07 - 00;42;20;05
Mark
You know? Stop fighting right.
00;42;20;05 - 00;42;27;22
Sarah
Away, and you leave your jacket and your hat behind and your cane, which are probably incredibly valuable, and maybe contain your wallet and your papers.
00;42;28;03 - 00;42;33;06
Mark
Probably. Oops, I'm out of here. But he tells Murdock what's going on about Toomey.
00;42;33;12 - 00;42;36;22
Sarah
Yeah. Two, he has consumption, which is tuberculosis.
00;42;36;28 - 00;42;37;25
Mark
And he's he's.
00;42;37;25 - 00;42;40;20
Sarah
Come all the way to Toronto to find a cure for it.
00;42;40;25 - 00;42;42;17
Mark
Which is cupping. Yeah.
00;42;42;27 - 00;42;45;23
Sarah
Which is what happened to Mr. Lee, the man who died.
00;42;45;27 - 00;42;53;23
Mark
So now, like, if you saw who has been cupped, you would immediately know that what what was going on.
00;42;53;24 - 00;43;19;11
Sarah
You, even if you didn't know what that was, you would you would know they hadn't been beaten with a round headed stick, that's for sure. Because it's like if you do acupuncture, they're applied in a very specific order and a specific arrangement. It's not random. And so the bruises would be like in a grid, basically. And if you can beat somebody with a stick and leave a grid, yeah, I'm impressed.
00;43;20;00 - 00;43;29;18
Mark
Well, I would go so far as to say that some famous people have been sort of outed as coppers because of these patterns.
00;43;29;21 - 00;43;43;17
Sarah
Now, because of the mark said it leaves because it does leave a mark. Right? It creates suction because they're heated so that the air contracts and draws the skin up. So it leaves like a hickey, right. Or as Julia says, a love bait.
00;43;43;21 - 00;44;05;10
Mark
Okay, so let's do cupping and then do love bites. Okay. Okay. So I'm going to read you a headline from The Toronto Star from the year 2017, which says, when this person wants a cuppa, it's apparently not tea he wants.
00;44;05;23 - 00;44;09;09
Sarah
Now, it was a bad day in the head, right? Headline writing department.
00;44;09;14 - 00;44;17;09
Mark
Can you guess who this Canadian famous Canadian is? TRUDEAU Yes. Justin Trudeau is clearly shown.
00;44;17;11 - 00;44;18;11
Sarah
The prime minister.
00;44;19;08 - 00;44;22;25
Mark
With cops on his arm like he is cupping marks on his arm.
00;44;23;01 - 00;44;31;23
Sarah
Okay. So does he admit that's one from. Yeah, okay. He Because some people believe in it as a treat. Yeah. He I don't know why, but.
00;44;31;27 - 00;44;40;12
Mark
It is beyond me. But apparently the prime Minister is into it. Okay, that's kind of weird.
00;44;40;12 - 00;44;42;13
Sarah
Substantive medicine. Yes.
00;44;42;19 - 00;44;46;06
Mark
So yes, Juliet calls them love bites or hickeys.
00;44;46;06 - 00;44;49;29
Sarah
Which is what we would call a hickey. Yes. I don't know what they call them elsewhere in the world.
00;44;51;04 - 00;44;57;12
Mark
Most people still call them hickeys or love bites. It is a very strange thing.
00;44;57;18 - 00;45;04;14
Sarah
It's a hematoma. Yes, right. The tiny blood vessels right under the skin break from the suction of somebody's mouth.
00;45;04;20 - 00;45;10;13
Mark
Yes. On different parts of the body. Mm hmm. What it would took me back to.
00;45;10;13 - 00;45;12;06
Sarah
I want to hear this. Yeah. Okay.
00;45;12;07 - 00;45;17;09
Mark
There's a couple of things that took me back about this, Okay? It took aback about.
00;45;17;09 - 00;45;17;26
Sarah
Okay.
00;45;18;16 - 00;45;19;11
Mark
Not took me back.
00;45;19;11 - 00;45;23;23
Sarah
Took me back to the old days when I used to. It took me about all of me.
00;45;23;29 - 00;45;38;01
Mark
Mostly the biggest thing I found was for an activity that is usually sexually oriented. The internet has an almost desert of information about this.
00;45;38;06 - 00;45;38;24
Sarah
Okay?
00;45;38;29 - 00;45;41;15
Mark
It is like, as we know.
00;45;41;15 - 00;45;44;11
Sarah
There's plenty of room to turn on the energy You're into.
00;45;44;11 - 00;45;48;23
Mark
Something on the internet, there's going to be a whole bunch of other people who like it, too.
00;45;49;06 - 00;45;55;00
Sarah
And nobody needs to send us a link to this secret hickey site that Mark didn't find place.
00;45;55;09 - 00;45;57;24
Mark
But None of that came up right away. Oh.
00;45;58;05 - 00;45;59;14
Sarah
Have safe search on which.
00;45;59;14 - 00;46;04;03
Mark
No. Okay. Which was weird. There was a lot of fixing hickeys.
00;46;04;09 - 00;46;11;07
Sarah
Oh, yeah. Teenagers are notorious for accidentally getting a hickey and then being desperate to get rid of it.
00;46;11;07 - 00;46;26;28
Mark
Desperate to get rid of it. YouTube is full of something. Leads me to the second point, which is these weird, bizarre hickey pranks that people play on their partners and get them really angry and film it. That's horrible.
00;46;26;28 - 00;46;29;10
Sarah
Yeah, that's. No, that's not okay.
00;46;29;15 - 00;46;36;28
Mark
And I'm going to associate that with you know, I don't want to hear this. This is a massage Jenny. It's marketing.
00;46;37;00 - 00;46;37;13
Sarah
Mm hmm.
00;46;37;23 - 00;46;49;13
Mark
And it is usually men doing it to women. All the picture. If you put in hickey neck pictures on Google, all the pictures are women. It is a form of marketing.
00;46;49;13 - 00;46;50;02
Sarah
Mark claim.
00;46;50;08 - 00;46;51;18
Mark
Ownership and blame.
00;46;51;18 - 00;46;52;20
Sarah
And embarrassment.
00;46;52;20 - 00;46;56;17
Mark
And embarrassment. They cannot be disguised.
00;46;56;24 - 00;46;59;01
Sarah
No, you can't hide it. Yeah, depending on where it is.
00;46;59;18 - 00;47;08;13
Mark
And so I don't like that kind of aspect of it as well. So there there's the weird it's not really talked about.
00;47;08;14 - 00;47;26;18
Sarah
Okay, so I'll lighten this up a little bit. One of my friends in high school is going out with this boy and she got a hickey on her neck and she was mortified. So she was determined to get rid of it. And this is before the Internet, mostly because her parents were really not going to be happy and makeup was not going to cover it up.
00;47;26;18 - 00;47;35;18
Sarah
And she had short hair, too. So that wouldn't even have to happen. Somebody told her, if you put toothpaste on a toothbrush and you massage it, then it would be like.
00;47;35;20 - 00;47;36;05
Mark
Oh, there.
00;47;36;05 - 00;47;41;14
Sarah
Are they would distribute that. Yeah, the blood under the skin and it would go away faster.
00;47;41;18 - 00;47;42;19
Mark
It just made it worse.
00;47;42;19 - 00;48;08;02
Sarah
But the diatoms in the it's like sand, basically really fine sand and the toothpaste just abraded her neck. So. So not only did she have a big hickey, but she also had a big scab on her neck. And it just I mean, it just got worse and worse. She had no excuse for that either. Go. Stop. Just leave it alone.
00;48;08;11 - 00;48;16;24
Sarah
Yes. Get a scarf. Shut up! Stop. Everything she did made it worse and bigger and worse.
00;48;16;24 - 00;48;34;08
Mark
Wow. And then I am led to what I find is maybe the most disturbing page on the internet. Okay, there is a wikiHow article on how to give a cookie. No, with illustration.
00;48;34;08 - 00;48;36;16
Sarah
No, no, no.
00;48;36;22 - 00;48;40;11
Mark
Thank goodness they didn't hire models to do these pictures.
00;48;40;17 - 00;48;44;19
Sarah
So the dog calls says Inspector Crab and peed. And that's.
00;48;44;19 - 00;48;47;01
Mark
Funny. I told you you would be.
00;48;47;02 - 00;48;51;11
Sarah
Crabbe and peed is funny about that is not funny.
00;48;51;15 - 00;48;55;24
Mark
All the way to the weirdest page on the internet.
00;48;55;24 - 00;49;06;00
Sarah
I asked Chad GPT to give me other punny ways to make fun of the name Barack and read and this was not very good. It was like stacking lead.
00;49;06;06 - 00;49;08;00
Mark
We're not going to be replaced by Chad.
00;49;08;05 - 00;49;16;15
Sarah
Beatty or not when it comes to making fun of things. Now. No, it's very bad at making funny things. You can't write jokes.
00;49;16;15 - 00;49;17;26
Mark
Right up the apple cart.
00;49;20;09 - 00;49;41;24
Sarah
Who does Julia have special connections in the records office? Who gave her all of the G birth records for three years in Toronto and let her just carry them out? And on a day where there were no computers, there wasn't really even carbon paper. Wow. So these are original. They are the sole version of these documents and she just carries them out.
00;49;41;24 - 00;49;43;07
Mark
Just gets them.
00;49;43;13 - 00;49;49;08
Sarah
And couldn't she have easily gone through them and just pulled those too out? She knows the last name.
00;49;49;08 - 00;49;51;09
Mark
Yeah, she could have easily done it.
00;49;51;10 - 00;49;56;27
Sarah
She doesn't need the whole stack. Yeah. Did you look at those birth certificates? They look like library. Old library.
00;49;57;01 - 00;50;02;23
Mark
They do look like that book. I looked at. The one that they had. It was was.
00;50;02;27 - 00;50;09;16
Sarah
Recorded on 911. Yes, I noticed that. Yeah. But otherwise. Yeah. Father's occupation.
00;50;10;00 - 00;50;22;00
Mark
And then the thing that happens in every single episode of a television show that has a ventriloquist with a dummy, we must go and not talk to the ventriloquist. We must go and talk to the dummy.
00;50;22;05 - 00;50;25;01
Sarah
Yes, because the dummy is his alter ego.
00;50;25;05 - 00;50;27;13
Mark
I've been speaking to the wrong way.
00;50;27;15 - 00;50;31;25
Sarah
Harcourt has a twin, Mycroft. Now this breaks a major rule.
00;50;31;26 - 00;50;33;13
Mark
Okay, Twins is a bad.
00;50;33;15 - 00;50;49;16
Sarah
You cannot use twins as a plot point. Yeah, unless we already know there are twins. Yeah, right. If they're introduced as identical twins, that's fine. But you can't have a secret twin. Yes, it breaks the rule bad, Murdock. Bad.
00;50;49;24 - 00;51;01;07
Mark
It breaks the rule. It ends up that the twin is stuck in the cupboard. And we learned in the theater episode that bodies don't decay. Putrefying or smell. No, in Toronto.
00;51;01;11 - 00;51;14;27
Sarah
So because you can't be drunk enough to miss that. No, I don't care how bad of a drinker Roddy was, he would have noticed for what, 15 years? There was a body. Yeah. In there. So yeah, it's been a while.
00;51;15;02 - 00;51;24;12
Mark
And then we get the. But to me, the best part of the episode where you are confirm that he is completely faking. He throws away the dummy and walks off.
00;51;24;13 - 00;51;45;29
Sarah
I do like the moment when they realize they haven't had Harcourt in custody at all. It's been Mycroft the whole time, and they realize that after they've released him. Yeah, right. So they say, Oh, your brother did it. Yes, he did it. I don't know where he is. Yeah, they let him go and then they realize that it was him the whole time.
00;51;46;16 - 00;51;57;25
Sarah
But again, suspension of disbelief. I know if they're identical twins, their heterochromatin would be identical to generics.
00;51;57;25 - 00;51;58;14
Mark
There's not really.
00;51;58;17 - 00;52;05;25
Sarah
Understood. I know, I know. I also don't trust the photography of the time to know that it's not a reverse negative.
00;52;05;25 - 00;52;08;07
Mark
Yes, I did think about that as well.
00;52;08;07 - 00;52;20;03
Sarah
So I guess they would have to match it to the dad's eyes and say, well, his are left and right and these are left and right. So there is this and I, uh. Then Murdock sees a ghost. Yeah.
00;52;20;08 - 00;52;25;19
Mark
Let's talk about Murdock and the ghost. Okay? Okay.
00;52;25;26 - 00;52;27;27
Sarah
So in the mirror.
00;52;30;01 - 00;52;32;05
Mark
This is always an important thing.
00;52;32;05 - 00;52;36;12
Sarah
For the ghost is in a mirror. I'm just pointing that out so his little eyes are flip flopped.
00;52;36;12 - 00;52;36;25
Mark
I know.
00;52;36;26 - 00;52;38;16
Sarah
Okay, so who knows who he is?
00;52;38;17 - 00;52;50;20
Mark
Knows who he is. Anyway, this is always an important point for me. I think it's because I was raised on The X-Files. Mm hmm. Right. So I'm always looking for that point where you're like, Oh, crossed a line.
00;52;50;28 - 00;52;53;01
Sarah
Yeah. And it's supernatural now.
00;52;53;01 - 00;53;11;24
Mark
And this is important to me. Even in my own, like in my comic is about a bunch of teenage girls who use science to disprove ghosts. Yes, but then one shows up, right? And it is a clear line of delineation. Yeah. Like there is before this page happens, and after this page happens.
00;53;11;24 - 00;53;14;20
Sarah
Well, it might not be a ghost. It might be an angel, Mark.
00;53;14;20 - 00;53;17;02
Mark
It could be an angel. It could be.
00;53;18;00 - 00;53;19;25
Sarah
He may be having a religious vision.
00;53;19;25 - 00;53;24;07
Mark
I don't like that Murdock sees the ghost here. I really don't like.
00;53;24;18 - 00;53;28;23
Sarah
The glowing little boy in the flat cap because I finally been avenged.
00;53;28;26 - 00;53;29;10
Mark
Yeah.
00;53;29;10 - 00;53;30;26
Sarah
And gets to go off in peace.
00;53;30;26 - 00;53;32;10
Mark
He earned his wings.
00;53;32;22 - 00;53;40;18
Sarah
It just makes me think that Harcourt, the real Harcourt, the dead Harcourt should have been haunting this apartment the whole time.
00;53;40;19 - 00;53;44;16
Mark
Should have been. Well, we don't know what he saw.
00;53;44;18 - 00;53;50;06
Sarah
That's true. Knock in boots. But that's why he's a troubled ghost.
00;53;50;23 - 00;53;51;20
Mark
Could you? Okay.
00;53;52;01 - 00;53;52;13
Sarah
Go ahead.
00;53;52;21 - 00;53;57;00
Mark
Could you kiss somebody in a room where that puppet was?
00;53;57;13 - 00;53;59;16
Sarah
Yeah. Okay. They're sitting on a shelf.
00;53;59;19 - 00;54;00;27
Mark
Okay, well, I don't care.
00;54;01;05 - 00;54;01;27
Sarah
Wouldn't bother me.
00;54;02;00 - 00;54;03;13
Mark
You wouldn't put a helmet over?
00;54;04;04 - 00;54;14;11
Sarah
No. Now, if I was trying to go to sleep and some sliver of light was coming through the curtains and striking only its eyes, Oh, I might adjust the curtains and turn its head around.
00;54;14;11 - 00;54;15;08
Mark
And it was saying.
00;54;15;13 - 00;54;20;11
Sarah
He's still here. Yeah. I'm getting Poltergeist and the dummy.
00;54;20;11 - 00;54;24;18
Mark
Yeah, it's there. I really don't like the ghost part at the end.
00;54;24;21 - 00;54;39;00
Sarah
I can tell you, though, why Mycroft, the character doesn't come back. You said it's open ended, so you would have loved to have seen him come back in another episode. I can tell you why definitively he does not come back because he burns the dummy. So he's curse now.
00;54;39;06 - 00;54;39;29
Mark
That's true.
00;54;39;29 - 00;54;41;06
Sarah
So he's probably dead.
00;54;41;11 - 00;54;45;08
Mark
He might as well have broken a Ouija board on top of it.
00;54;45;08 - 00;54;48;10
Sarah
Exactly. He's totally.
00;54;48;10 - 00;54;50;24
Mark
Curse. You know, if you break them, they bleed.
00;54;50;27 - 00;55;08;20
Sarah
Yeah. And so he will be forever haunted by a ghost dummy that you can't be killed going. Yeah. Why don't you do crab and P? Yeah. So he's either in an asylum or he's dead. And that's why he never comes back as a character. Wow. He's done.
00;55;08;29 - 00;55;09;14
Mark
And that.
00;55;09;21 - 00;55;20;06
Sarah
And a dummy that has his name. Yes. So what are you going to do? You're going to argue with it? Yeah. Mycroft Shut up! Mycroft, shut up! You're like, you know, he's locked up somewhere.
00;55;20;10 - 00;55;25;24
Mark
So this is our first non happy ending too in the show. That kind of forces happy endings.
00;55;25;24 - 00;55;29;01
Sarah
Well, the Doyle ending is happy. He's going to go home and hang out with Toohey.
00;55;29;05 - 00;55;30;01
Mark
And he does.
00;55;30;01 - 00;55;38;16
Sarah
Yeah. And that's a good, that's a good ending. So we don't get a satisfying tie up of the case, but we do get Yeah, paid.
00;55;40;16 - 00;55;43;24
Mark
We don't even need to talk about Best Corpse.
00;55;43;25 - 00;55;46;03
Sarah
Now because there's only one and he is awesome.
00;55;46;03 - 00;55;48;14
Mark
Well no there's two, but one is skeletal.
00;55;48;18 - 00;55;56;25
Sarah
That doesn't count. Think it's a prop? Yeah, but it still doesn't top rotting and his vomit being rolled around on the floor and strangled.
00;55;56;25 - 00;55;59;28
Mark
No, I have one question for after the credits.
00;56;00;03 - 00;56;02;19
Sarah
Other than that, Mycroft is going to be cast.
00;56;02;27 - 00;56;08;27
Mark
Yes. Well, do the bulk still stay together or she looking for a new man and not boots with?
00;56;09;27 - 00;56;15;04
Sarah
I think Amy and Stanley stay together. They've been together this long. Why would they split up?
00;56;15;04 - 00;56;17;05
Mark
You probably have children and stuff like that.
00;56;17;05 - 00;56;18;27
Sarah
Crazy do. Yeah, but are they his.
00;56;19;04 - 00;56;19;19
Mark
Maybe.
00;56;19;19 - 00;56;23;18
Sarah
Don't die. There's another mystery in this.
00;56;23;22 - 00;56;33;11
Mark
This whole part has the air of poverty in Whitechapel Nurse that I think the books have. Yeah, certainly the movies have.
00;56;33;23 - 00;56;42;06
Sarah
Yeah. Emmy is a happy, poor person. Yes, a happy drunk, poor person. We're not supposed to think about the fact that she lives in poverty.
00;56;42;06 - 00;56;46;16
Mark
And I think it is liberating that she enjoys sex for sex.
00;56;46;22 - 00;56;47;11
Sarah
Okay.
00;56;47;19 - 00;56;50;11
Mark
No, like as a character at that time.
00;56;50;12 - 00;57;12;10
Sarah
Okay, So I support that idea. But not Emmy because she's a little over the top now, the German woman in the couple in the earlier episode. Yeah. Where he liked to watch her sex with other people. I support her and her openness and what she wants to do with her life.
00;57;12;10 - 00;57;13;13
Mark
But they're rich.
00;57;13;22 - 00;57;20;01
Sarah
They're rich, and she's not like walking around with their boobs hanging out. No, Emmy's a little over the top.
00;57;20;01 - 00;57;22;09
Mark
She is Emmys a little over the top.
00;57;22;09 - 00;57;26;11
Sarah
She needs a bath. Yeah, a toothbrush and some buttons.
00;57;27;11 - 00;57;31;03
Mark
Some of that whitening toothpaste. It's a button.
00;57;31;09 - 00;57;38;17
Sarah
And some buttons. Don't put it on a hankie. Put it on your teeth. It'll work. So that is barely speaker. Yes. What's episode ten?
00;57;39;03 - 00;57;50;17
Mark
Episode number ten is Child's play. Now, this is a pretty serious episode. Comes out May 1st. For us, it's about home children.
00;57;51;05 - 00;57;52;22
Sarah
It's about the home school.
00;57;52;28 - 00;57;59;27
Mark
No, it's about the children sent from England to live in the New world. Okay. They are called home.
00;57;59;27 - 00;58;03;25
Sarah
Children, okay? Because they're sent away. Yeah. So they're called home.
00;58;04;03 - 00;58;06;24
Mark
I guess that's obvious. I'm sure we'll find out.
00;58;06;28 - 00;58;08;01
Sarah
It's a bad scene.
00;58;08;01 - 00;58;08;28
Mark
It's a bad scene.
00;58;09;05 - 00;58;12;07
Sarah
But it's a good episode. It is. And we'll find things to poke fun at.
00;58;12;07 - 00;58;18;06
Mark
And I think we will. Now, on May 8th, we will be releasing our interview with Annette Bad.
00;58;18;14 - 00;58;19;25
Sarah
She's so awesome.
00;58;19;25 - 00;58;20;19
Mark
She's fed.
00;58;20;24 - 00;58;24;06
Sarah
I fangirl quite a bit, I have to admit. I'm sorry.
00;58;24;06 - 00;58;25;24
Mark
Also fangirl quite a bit.
00;58;25;24 - 00;58;28;14
Sarah
I didn't go in but it was close.
00;58;28;15 - 00;58;37;05
Mark
I may have went Squee. We're not going to have a newsletter in May, but I may post thing to the list about the Net Badlands interview.
00;58;37;05 - 00;58;44;19
Sarah
And then and now we have maybe false confidence to maybe try to land in an interview with somebody else who's important.
00;58;44;19 - 00;58;45;10
Mark
So join.
00;58;45;12 - 00;58;45;27
Sarah
Our other.
00;58;45;27 - 00;58;47;29
Mark
People. We're going to go after some other people.
00;58;47;29 - 00;58;53;21
Sarah
And now we can say Annette Bening and talk to us. Yeah, She's more famous than you are. Yes. I don't get them. Yes.
00;58;54;14 - 00;58;56;29
Mark
That's not a way to do it, but it's.
00;58;56;29 - 00;58;58;06
Sarah
Why you do it. And I don't.
00;58;58;06 - 00;59;05;28
Mark
And then we will return on the 22nd of May because we're going to take a week off. Yeah, because I will be in Canada. Yeah.
00;59;06;03 - 00;59;13;20
Sarah
So it's hard to podcast at a distance. We could do it, but it wouldn't be as good. Yes. Oh, until then, try to keep your creamy chicken in your mouth.
00;59;13;20 - 00;59;16;27
Mark
Yes. Give that lady some buttons.
00;59;18;08 - 00;59;27;02
Sarah
Glue, hot duct tape, whatever. Something. Yeah. Cover your boobies in the Emmy, Mrs. Polk, and your boots.
00;59;27;11 - 00;59;41;15
Mark
Okay. It's not mentioned at all, and I really noticed it. No, no, I really noticed it in this episode. How? And it's. It's mentioned later, but Juliet calls him William and calls everybody else.
00;59;41;15 - 00;59;42;26
Sarah
Mr. Who.
00;59;43;05 - 00;59;50;07
Mark
Like That part of their familiarity is already set in stone so much we don't even notice he.
00;59;50;07 - 00;59;52;08
Sarah
Has daydreaming about kissing her.
00;59;52;08 - 00;59;56;05
Mark
While in the morgue because all the flirting takes place in the morgue.
00;59;56;05 - 00;59;57;13
Sarah
Because that's who they are.
01;00;01;06 - 01;00;02;23
Mark
Quiet. The night.
01;00;03;06 - 01;00;08;13
Sarah
Night base. All right. And it's till next time by maniac, by.
01;00;08;13 - 01;00;10;12
Mark
Mania just.
01;00;23;28 - 01;00;28;08
Sarah
Pack it In Argentina, the dummies are getting to me. Get my hair done as.
