Episode 166 - Murdoch Mysteries - "The Prince and the Rebel" - Snidely Whiplash & The Curdling Stones
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Sarah
And then heading to the hotel. Hey.
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Mark
Hey, mister. Remain here.
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Sarah
Yeah, man.
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Mark
Each week we dig it. Do an episode of the show, including the murders, the mayhem, the loonies, and everything else we love this week. Murdoch Mysteries The Prince and the Rebel Season one Episode 12 I am Mark Harper.
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Sarah
Sarah, I think I'm slap happy today.
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Mark
Speaking the t shirts.
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Sarah
Yeah. Not. We have a new t shirt in the merch store. Speaking of murder, mayhem, and everything else, such.
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Mark
As murders, the mayhem, the loonies and everything else we love.
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Sarah
Yeah. So if you're interested, you should go snag one.
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Mark
Apparently, some people. And if you do this and record it, we would be so happy because we'll play it on the show. Yeah, if you say it along with us or like to say it or want to say it, please send us the recordings and we'll put them on the show of.
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Sarah
People saying the murder, the mayhem, the loonies and everything else we love.
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Mark
Yep. Each week we dig into it. Episode of the show, including the murders, ma'am, the list and everything else we love. Yeah, that would be amazing.
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Sarah
That'd be super fun.
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Mark
Especially if they sent us a picture of them doing it in the t shirt.
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Sarah
Well, now you're raising the bar a little bit higher.
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Mark
I know, but anyway, you got it. You got a couple of days left to get in on demand money.
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Sarah
To target ovarian.
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Mark
Cancer and ovarian cancer.
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Sarah
Then we'll have a new charity starting June 1st. Speaking of the t shirts, we were looking around mostly because you mistakenly ordered a t shirt, send it to the wrong address, but thought that it hadn't come when you accidentally sent it somewhere you didn't mean to. But anyway.
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Mark
So you've let us not speak of moment?
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Sarah
No, no. But you thought spread shirt was was being really slow. But in fact they weren't they were just sending it to where you told them to. Yes. Anyway. But because of that we were like maybe we should look around and see if there are other places where we should be putting our merch instead. And ladies, there is a crime going on on the internet that I was not even aware of.
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Sarah
So few places that are print on demand like Spread shirt is actually have women's shirts. It's so super stupid.
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Mark
And like, okay.
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Sarah
Like they just have unisex t shirts which are men's t shirts. There's three and that's it. There's three everywhere. Listen to this.
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Mark
The rest our women aren't.
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Sarah
Absolutely not. We are not going to switch to a vendor who doesn't have not just one women's t shirt, but lots of different women's shirts. Yes. Okay. Yeah. So we will not be switching stores. No, no, because boobies need room.
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Mark
Exactly.
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Sarah
And men's shirts don't do it. No, not in a flattering. No, I like flattering t shirts.
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Mark
Well, our audience is predominantly female.
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Sarah
And that's all you're going to say about it. So we're not going to sweats. The other thing that we would just want to remind you up at the top before we dive in is the new Midsomer Murders episodes are being released in the UK starting this weekend. So if you yes, we've said it a few times now.
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Mark
So Midsomer Norton.
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Sarah
If you haven't seen them, you'll be able to see them. Are we ready for Prince and the Rebel?
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Mark
Yes. Original Air Date April six, 2008. John McEnroe on the air is directing this one as well.
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Sarah
In our many years of French. Did you take you can't say his name 30 yeah.
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Mark
Alexander.
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Sarah
That was 13.
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Mark
Zero one he is the writer.
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Sarah
I like this episode a lot.
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Mark
I think this is maybe the best written episode of the first season so far.
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Sarah
Yeah, well, it does have some really good interplay between characters. It has some international intrigue and some political subtlety, some violence, some some scary, stressful tension fire explosions.
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Mark
Sometimes TV writers don't get the most notes that things do change slightly in each episode, and sometimes writers get the notes that things should change slightly in each episode. They successfully got the notes this time.
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Sarah
Yeah, this is it's it's an interesting episode. I'm not going to say it's kooky. It's nice to know, but it's interesting.
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Mark
It is indeed interesting. There's lots of things to be interested, but I'm.
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Sarah
Going to say Prince Alfred is a little kooky.
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Mark
Okay. So couple of things. He never came.
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Sarah
Prince Alfred never visited Canada.
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Mark
No. Second of all, he would have been speaking German. Most likely he was born in Buckingham Palace. Yeah, but he moved to Germany very early on in his life because his father fell out of succession.
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Sarah
Well, Prince Albert spoke with a German accent, right? Yes. Victoria's husband.
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
I mean, his whole side of the family.
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Mark
Yes. And Prince Albert Junior. So he's Prince Albert, Edward, who is Victoria's son, did come to Canada in 1860.
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Sarah
So Alfred's dad visited, but Alfred didn't know.
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Mark
No, it's not Alfred's dad. It's easy to get confused, but it's not off.
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Sarah
I'm already.
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Mark
Confused. It's not.
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Sarah
Alfred's dad. Okay? This guy, this prince who is in this episode historically in reality, did not visit Canada. That's the point. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yes.
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Mark
But you are correct. It is his father who did exist and they're all named Alfred.
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Sarah
Okay. But you didn't have to double check. You were like, No, you're wrong. Okay? You were right. Yeah. Okay. So is Dad dead? But he didn't.
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Mark
Yes. And he came to acknowledge Canadians involvement in the Crimean War, which was yet another fantastic war where, yes, Canada was involved, but a lot of Canada's involvement was getting there. Sometimes we show up late to the party because we're far away.
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Sarah
Well, it takes a while to pack. Yeah, I'm going to decide. Do we need the troops? Don't we need the troops?
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Mark
But he was here for two months.
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Sarah
How much maple sirup can we take? Yeah. You know. Yeah.
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Mark
He visited the falls and all sorts of things. Of course he did. The very first royal visit.
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Sarah
They introduced Alfred as the Prince of Saxe-Coburg Gotha.
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
Right. Which was. Yes. Which is Victoria's husband's family. Yes. Albert's line. Yep. Germans. Right. Mm. Because the Royals, they were all like, let my kid marry your kid. And that will mean that we both get to be royalty for longer because we're like, you know, secure.
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Mark
Yeah, They all looked each one, it looked like each other.
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Sarah
Well, they were related. They would. Yeah. Okay. Weird.
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Mark
Well, no, like you put you, you put the brothers, you put Alfred and the guy from Russia and the guy from Germany all in a room together, and you're like, Oh, yeah.
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Sarah
Yeah, brother. They're related. Yeah, definitely. But I didn't know where I knew that Saxe-Coburg was German. I had never heard of gossip before, But that's just another town in Germany.
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Mark
No, it sounds fantastic.
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Sarah
But as soon as I started looking into it, the first thing I saw was that they were the lunatic branch were like, What the hell.
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Mark
Is agnostic?
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Sarah
What is an exotic branch of a family? Yeah. So you know what Prem a janitor is, right?
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
Who? Who gets the throne or who who inherits the lot. Right. So typical premature, immature is the oldest male of the family would take the throne or whatever. And that prima gesture means that it's just so weird. So I know it's it's. It's critical. Yeah. No, it's not critical. It's interesting. Yes, but it's difficult to explain. Natick Prima Ginger means that the firstborn child gets to be the next ruler.
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Sarah
Yes, but if they're a woman, their kids are not the next in line.
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
Okay, So, like, so Elizabeth the second became queen. But if they were agnostic, primogeniture, Charles would not be king. It would be her nearest male relatives. Oldest son. Yes. I don't even know who that would be.
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Mark
I don't know.
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Sarah
Either, because she had a sister. Does she have a brother?
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Mark
No, she has a sister. That's it.
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Sarah
That's it? Yeah. So it'd be some cousin.
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Mark
It would be some weird cousin.
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Sarah
Some guy random guy living in Liverpool or something would be like, I'm next. So all the king's children would be eligible for the throne, but his daughters children would not be in that. We're all.
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Mark
Very.
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Sarah
It's like it skips a generation.
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Mark
If there was.
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Sarah
We're only sexist every other generation.
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Mark
And I would say from like 1850 to 1950, there was a lot of change at all the heads of Europe.
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Sarah
Yeah. Yeah. Well, the other thing I didn't know is that male royal male ancestors are called Agni and female, not ancestors descendants. Female descendants are called cognates. Did you know.
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Mark
That? No, I didn't.
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Sarah
So Charles is an AG. Nate? Yes, but Elizabeth's sister, What's her name? Margaret. Margaret. She's a cognate. Okay. I thought cognate was only in language like a.
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Mark
It's only it's a word that's the same in both languages. I like.
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Sarah
Lashkar. Yeah, well, that was really interesting. Sarah and Mark, thanks for teaching us about Agnostic Prema. Ginger I'm a cognate now.
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Mark
There is some bits of interesting things with Alfred because poor Alfred doesn't last much longer than this. He lost four more years.
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Sarah
Historically. Historically, the real person. Yeah. Wow. So he lived to be like 30 or something? 24 Oh, Oh, yes. So he would have been 20th this time.
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Mark
At this time I would have been 20 if he actually gone to Canada. And it's completely okay.
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Sarah
Dying or worse.
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Mark
Or not much shattered that. Hold on. If if he did come to Canada and there was a Fenian assault on him, it would be completely understandable that they covered the whole.
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Sarah
Thing up.
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Mark
Because at 24, at his parent's 25th wedding anniversary party, something bad happened to Alfred. I'm not 100% sure. Nobody's 100% sure. The idea is range from He went through a largely.
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Sarah
Mental illness.
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Mark
Mental illness.
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Sarah
Syphilis, which would be mental illness.
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Mark
He had some sort of epileptic or something fit him. He may have gotten a gun and tried to commit suicide. No one knows. It all happened at this party, the worst party ever. And six days later, after being.
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Sarah
Okay, way, way, way, way back up, back up. We don't know why he did it, but he shot himself at his parents party.
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Mark
That is the general accepted idea right now.
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Sarah
But he didn't die right away.
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Mark
No, he lasted a couple more days.
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Sarah
Oh, that's awful, dude. Yeah, The party. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's people there who could talk to you. Yeah.
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Mark
Oh, like everybody.
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Sarah
He should have just gone to Canada. Yeah. See if he'd actually gone to Canada. Maybe he would have pepped up. Maybe felt better.
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Mark
Poor guy.
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Sarah
Wow.
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Mark
I feel sad for him.
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Sarah
Well, broken read causes everything. It's completely his fault. This entire shenanigan is his fault. You know why? Why? Because he says to Jennings, the prince's sidekick.
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Mark
You mean Snidely Whiplash?
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Sarah
Yeah, Snidely Whiplash. Don't worry about the Irish terrorism in Canada. It doesn't happen here. Never say that, dude. Okay? Just guaranteeing its to happen.
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Mark
Totally.
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Sarah
I promise that won't happen.
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Mark
Now, for those of you who don't have history of Canada, talk to you.
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Sarah
Here's some more boring stuff. No.
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Mark
The Fenian raids were so after the British took full possession of and squashed the fight for independence in Ireland in the late 19th century. A lot of those Irish people went to the United States and a lot of them fought the Civil War. So they were pepped up and armed.
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Sarah
Mm hmm.
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Mark
And they were like, this was their plan, their Fenians plan was this We're going to take over Canada so that you'll free Ireland.
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Sarah
Oh, so they were going to take all of Canada basically hostage?
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Mark
They were going to take Canada hostage. Take over Canada. And then that would allow the Irish homeland to be free.
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Sarah
Because they thought that that Great Britain would choose Canada over Ireland.
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Mark
I guess so. This is what happened.
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Sarah
That's like taking the kid that you don't like hostage like. Go ahead. Just take them. It's fine.
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Mark
They had a three pronged assault, right? One in northern Ontario, one at Buffalo, and one across the river from Montreal. Hmm. All right. This was supposedly upwards of 20,000 men invading Canada. And if 20,000 men had shown up and they had done this at the same time, perhaps if they.
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Sarah
Had been coordinated, it might have worked.
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Mark
Perhaps. Perhaps there are rumors that maybe they were a little drunk.
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Sarah
And maybe like ten of them showed up.
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Mark
15 showed up in Buffalo.
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Sarah
It's a little underwhelming.
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Mark
To which the American authorities said.
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Sarah
I know you guys want to go home, sleep it off. We'll talk later.
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Mark
Some of them got across the border. There were a couple of battles, right.
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Sarah
Small battles.
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Mark
There from.
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Sarah
Terrorizing.
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Mark
Very small battles. What's weird is I absolutely drove through both of the battlefields where they.
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Sarah
Are two weeks ago.
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Mark
Two weeks ago, like right across the border from Buffalo. They were supposed to go across at Montreal to. But the Canadian soldiers in Montreal, who would have been French were like.
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Sarah
No, no, no. Oh, no, no, that's not good. So was this supposed to happen? When was it supposed to happen? It was.
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Mark
Supposed to happen in 1860.
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Sarah
Six. Okay. So by the time we're we're at the 1895 mark for this episode that has passed. The Irish uprising failed.
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Mark
There were a couple of.
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Sarah
Thousand.
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Mark
70, 1771, but it's 20 years ago.
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Sarah
Yeah, but now they're just an immigrant group in Canada. Yes. Okay.
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Mark
When she was running alone. Alone in the park at night, did you immediately go, Where's the clock guy from last year?
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Sarah
Oh, same park. She's going to get shot with a crossbow any second. Yes. No, I didn't think that.
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Mark
Dirk Dastardly meets with Crabtree and Murdoch. Oh, sorry. Jennings.
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Sarah
Jennings. Hey, The guy who plays Jennings, Chris Gascoyne, he was in a in over 1600 episodes of Coronation Street. Wow. There are probably dudes who saw him. And even under that mustache went his fat. That guy from Coronation Street, even with that bad mustache. I think that's him.
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Mark
Murdoch of Voyage. Pleasure at all.
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Sarah
Possible. This is the most underwhelming show of security ever since Murdoch and Crabtree. Two dudes. Two dudes to protect the prince who might be under attack, who came all the way to Canada with one guy to keep him safe.
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Mark
And how did like. Okay.
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Sarah
And reality Jennings. We spoil things, by the way isn't really motivated to keep him safe anyway.
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Mark
Can we say that on the application to work in Buckingham Palace, there should be the question. Are you a Fenian terror?
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Sarah
Yeah. Is anybody in your family a terrorist? Does anybody in your family want to kill the royal family? If you check any of these boxes? Yes. I mean, can I qualify.
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Mark
For When I emigrated to the U.S. and got my green card, I had to answer like, 500 questions. There's this huge question here. And one of the questions is, do you plan to overthrow the American government? To which I answered no.
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Sarah
I wonder how many applications they get where. Yes, it's checked and then scribbled out and then no is checked. Like it was just a joke. I was just curious.
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Mark
A lot of weird.
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Sarah
I wasn't paying attention.
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Mark
I thought they should have been asking that question. There's a reference here to Toronto. The good which actually comes from this idea of Victorian morality, from the mayor, William Holmes.
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Sarah
How he wanted to brand Toronto as Toronto, the place.
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Mark
Yep. And it was used in a in the 1890 book by X Clarke titled of Toronto The Good. So it would have totally been in the vernacular at this point in time. What's weird is it's still in the vernacular, huh? Well, that's.
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Sarah
That once again.
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Mark
So what.
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Sarah
Is it? Is it making people be good?
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Mark
This is what happens whenever anything bad happens in Toronto. Somebody goes, Well, it's Toronto, the good, you know, party.
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Sarah
Ha ha. The irony.
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Mark
So this is a nice scene here because you're given which scene.
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Sarah
I know what you're talking about and.
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Mark
You're given the prince's.
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Sarah
Introduction.
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Mark
With the the young lady being.
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Sarah
Killed, the top and back and forth. Yeah. Because poor Margaret Kilpatrick is being killed. Yes, he. Okay. The assassin has a scarf on his face and a bowler hat. And a black coat. Yes. Like that's his killer gear.
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Mark
Yep.
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Sarah
Okay.
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Mark
They so shoot at the dude in the cloak.
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Sarah
I know.
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Mark
Just in the back.
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Sarah
Yeah. I'm running past in the background. Like, here I am waving his crossbow, like, Hey, dude.
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Mark
Hey, dude.
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Sarah
He knocks her down, and, like, I think he kneels on her chest. Yeah, well, he's strangling her. Well, because otherwise, it's way too fast.
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Mark
We have to assume this is Jennings. Yes, because it's not his red haired stepchild.
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Sarah
Which is Brier, which is why he has to wear the scarf because he has to hide his mustache.
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Mark
You wouldn't know.
00;18;01;11 - 00;18;03;14
Sarah
It was just signature mustache.
00;18;03;15 - 00;18;05;25
Mark
What do you mean? Are you Ian McShane?
00;18;05;27 - 00;18;06;26
Sarah
No, no.
00;18;06;29 - 00;18;07;18
Mark
Low rent.
00;18;07;19 - 00;18;15;13
Sarah
Ian McShane takes her necklace because it's an Irish cross. Yep. But then we find out she has a black sun tattoo on her shoulder.
00;18;15;14 - 00;18;23;20
Mark
Yes. Which is the IAB at this time would have had a sunburst on their flag. So that looked kind of like that.
00;18;23;21 - 00;18;52;08
Sarah
But it's clearly a cover up tattoo. Yes. And Julia uncovers the Phenix rising tattoo underneath it, which in what looks like the most painful tattoo removal procedure ever. I don't even know how that would work. Yeah, I've put some acid on the cadaver. Now, granted, it's a cadaver, so we don't have to worry about it hurting. But I put some acid on it that makes these top layers of skin just peel away.
00;18;52;09 - 00;18;52;29
Sarah
Okay.
00;18;53;02 - 00;19;01;21
Mark
Let's back up a tiny bit, because first of all, everybody should be going. A woman with a tattoo.
00;19;01;21 - 00;19;03;06
Sarah
Yeah. What? What would.
00;19;03;09 - 00;19;04;13
Mark
A person with a.
00;19;04;13 - 00;19;07;04
Sarah
Tattoo. Yeah, that's true. Who's not a sailor?
00;19;07;07 - 00;19;14;23
Mark
Not a sailor. Right. So we live in a world where tattoos, facial tattoos are almost the norm.
00;19;14;25 - 00;19;15;13
Sarah
Yeah, right.
00;19;15;17 - 00;19;16;19
Mark
This is not the case.
00;19;16;22 - 00;19;19;08
Sarah
Neither of us has any face tattoo, by the way.
00;19;19;09 - 00;19;22;11
Mark
No. Of 1895, they would have been gone.
00;19;22;12 - 00;19;25;26
Sarah
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, yeah. She's a prostitute, And so. Yeah, right. Yeah.
00;19;25;29 - 00;19;41;15
Mark
Phenix Rising that they expose later on is usually accompanied by the words out of the ashes rose the provisional, which is the idea that the IRA and the IAB rose out of the English is taking over.
00;19;41;20 - 00;19;42;06
Sarah
Our.
00;19;42;08 - 00;19;43;00
Mark
Suppression and.
00;19;43;03 - 00;20;04;22
Sarah
Control of Ireland. Yeah. Meanwhile, at the hotel, the prince wants to get up to naughty things. He does because he only has one guard because of all the police in Toronto. When there is a murder, let's take half of the Prince's guards away to investigate it and leave Crabtree.
00;20;04;24 - 00;20;07;07
Mark
Go ahead, George. Read it. Do you have the bill?
00;20;07;09 - 00;20;16;22
Sarah
There was a prince who liked to succumb to vulgar girls with big bands, but he knew he was trapped and would have to adapt. So he begs you instead for some rum.
00;20;16;25 - 00;20;18;25
Mark
He gets both.
00;20;18;28 - 00;20;31;11
Sarah
I don't think he's going to settle for just around me. He's like, Get me, girl. Girls, girl. What is Crabtree do? Does he call down to the concierge? Does he go out and hit the streets and come back with a parade of girls following him?
00;20;31;14 - 00;20;43;06
Mark
Because the prince shows some actual character at the end of the episode? Yeah. We are going to gloss over the fact that women are treated horrifically in this episode.
00;20;43;09 - 00;20;48;25
Sarah
He seems to be showing them a good time. They can leave any time they want. I'm just all getting paid, but.
00;20;48;25 - 00;21;06;15
Mark
They're all sitting around waiting for some prince to call up and be like, Can you show me your big bum? So that's what I mean by women. They're being treated horrifically. And Crabtree, I don't know, he called down to the station is like, Do you have any vulgar.
00;21;06;15 - 00;21;22;21
Sarah
Girls in the cells? Send them dancing to nobody. You'll notice a conga line of vulgar girls heading to the hotel. And how many women have been approached saying there's a prince at the hotel who would love to meet you? Follow me. No way, brother.
00;21;22;22 - 00;21;24;19
Mark
And who is looking after the brand?
00;21;24;20 - 00;21;27;12
Sarah
Exactly. George, who's doing the whole.
00;21;27;12 - 00;21;28;23
Mark
Dirty, bad things?
00;21;28;28 - 00;21;29;21
Sarah
So.
00;21;29;23 - 00;21;31;13
Mark
Did you like my poor?
00;21;31;16 - 00;21;36;24
Sarah
The logo? Do you know the limerick is actually pretty well written, though?
00;21;36;24 - 00;21;37;12
Mark
Yes.
00;21;37;14 - 00;21;40;19
Sarah
So what did I do? I need more limerick.
00;21;40;20 - 00;21;41;28
Mark
Well, of course we did.
00;21;42;00 - 00;21;51;07
Sarah
But I'm not going to write them myself. No. So I went to check and got some limericks about British princes visiting Canada.
00;21;51;12 - 00;21;56;07
Mark
Would you like to hear the. Oh, boy, do I want to hear them.
00;21;56;09 - 00;22;01;21
Sarah
I know most people are probably so tired of hearing about chat, but it is it is useful.
00;22;01;21 - 00;22;03;05
Mark
And I think it's a very useful.
00;22;03;10 - 00;22;03;19
Sarah
Appendage.
00;22;03;21 - 00;22;04;28
Mark
Writing dirty limericks.
00;22;05;05 - 00;22;25;18
Sarah
Or going to get well. What's great is that, you know, it's it's programed not to say hateful things or violent things, but it can stereotype out the wazoo. I said, please write a one stanza funny limerick about a British prince visiting Canada. Okay. Okay. That's what I told it to do.
00;22;25;19 - 00;22;26;06
Mark
Okay.
00;22;26;11 - 00;22;37;09
Sarah
There once was a prince, also regal, but his behavior was often illegal. From wild parties galore to scandals and more. This Royal's antics were simply unequaled.
00;22;37;11 - 00;22;38;16
Mark
That's perfect.
00;22;38;22 - 00;22;42;15
Sarah
But no mention of Canada? No. So I had to remind it. He goes to Canada.
00;22;42;15 - 00;22;43;18
Mark
Canada as a country.
00;22;43;20 - 00;23;06;24
Sarah
Okay, so we got another guy. Another try here. Okay. There once was a prince from the throne, visited Canada all on his own. It's like it's in the episode. Yes. With a love for poutine. He'd eat it obscene, leaving no gravy or curling stones. I don't know. Snow, stoat and cheese curds. But I didn't understand. Yeah, I got one more for you.
00;23;06;25 - 00;23;26;07
Sarah
Okay. Okay. I love these. There once was a prince with great charm, visiting Canada causing no harm. But he got lost in the snow. Ended up in a row after moose for directions. What a qualm.
00;23;26;10 - 00;23;32;19
Sarah
I didn't include the ones where I was like, Oh, maple sirup. And he got stuck in maple sirup and. Yeah.
00;23;32;22 - 00;23;33;12
Mark
Wow.
00;23;33;19 - 00;23;39;27
Sarah
With a love for poutine, he'd eat it. I've seen.
00;23;40;00 - 00;23;41;17
Mark
Obscene poutine.
00;23;41;19 - 00;23;48;04
Sarah
Leaving no gravy or curdling sound. Isn't that what's on poutine? Gravy and curdling.
00;23;48;04 - 00;23;56;21
Mark
Stones. No gravy and kernels. No curd gravy and cheese curds. And it's delicious.
00;23;56;23 - 00;24;00;06
Sarah
So Henry is absolutely over his head trying to assist.
00;24;00;07 - 00;24;05;11
Mark
But again, this is a great episode because there's a little bit of improvement of.
00;24;05;13 - 00;24;07;05
Sarah
Henry Crews, a little bit Henry.
00;24;07;05 - 00;24;13;03
Mark
GROSS. You can in television shows, you can have great growing moments, but you have that little growing number.
00;24;13;03 - 00;24;20;25
Sarah
But they certainly couldn't swap him out for George and Kate and behind with the prince. Can you imagine George and the prince?
00;24;20;26 - 00;24;28;21
Mark
Yes, he's a good boss here. Hey, ladies. Yeah. How you search public records right now?
00;24;28;24 - 00;24;32;26
Sarah
Yeah, because there's a database that you can just go back and look at and don't.
00;24;33;01 - 00;24;38;12
Mark
Don't deal with the press. Don't send Henry over to talk to the press.
00;24;38;15 - 00;24;42;19
Sarah
Adapt. Bastard. That threat bracket read gossip. Yes.
00;24;42;22 - 00;24;44;25
Mark
Sorry, ma'am.
00;24;44;27 - 00;24;55;00
Sarah
Higgins. Bastard. What would happen if I called somebody at work? A desk bastard like that? I think I would get in trouble, especially if I yelled it in public.
00;24;55;02 - 00;25;00;03
Mark
So next we're on to it. Is the morgue of not flirting? There's no flirting.
00;25;00;09 - 00;25;04;14
Sarah
No, not this time. No, It's acid scraping, tattooed time.
00;25;04;16 - 00;25;08;29
Mark
Instead of strange father. And the mentions of changelings.
00;25;09;05 - 00;25;16;18
Sarah
So Margaret's dad, Maggie, killed Pat. Gail Patrick's dad. Daniel shows up to identify the body and says that's not her.
00;25;16;19 - 00;25;20;24
Mark
Straight out of central casting for Irish immigrant father.
00;25;20;24 - 00;25;23;10
Sarah
He is Irish. Yeah, the actor is Irish.
00;25;23;11 - 00;25;23;27
Mark
That's good.
00;25;23;28 - 00;25;29;10
Sarah
He's got an accent. Is great. Yeah. I think all the accents in this episode are good. Yes.
00;25;29;14 - 00;25;37;08
Mark
Well, snidely doesn't go every time the door closes, though. There's one scene where it lingers on him, where he almost goes.
00;25;37;11 - 00;25;57;07
Sarah
He almost. Why? They put the evil mustache on him, and they could have a nice mustache on him. So her dad comes to the morgue and says that's not her because my my daughter and it's not that they've misidentified. So instead.
00;25;57;12 - 00;25;59;06
Mark
But they're confused by that at first.
00;25;59;07 - 00;25;59;19
Sarah
Yeah.
00;25;59;22 - 00;26;11;21
Mark
Which is, again, another good element of the story that moves the story along and gives them a reason to go talk to a roommate and gives them an idea of what's going on or.
00;26;11;21 - 00;26;14;29
Sarah
Yes and no. It's also kind of buying into Irish stereotypes.
00;26;15;00 - 00;26;17;02
Mark
So there's a wee stereotype.
00;26;17;02 - 00;26;27;03
Sarah
Oh, you know, the Irish, they love the fairy godfather. I'm not even going to try to do that anymore. So he says, that's not my daughter, because my daughter.
00;26;27;04 - 00;26;28;25
Mark
Was taken by the fairies.
00;26;28;27 - 00;26;39;03
Sarah
Was well, she would never have behaved. The way she was behaving. So clearly. She was a changeling. Yes. And this is the changelings corpse. So my daughter will now come back.
00;26;39;03 - 00;26;46;03
Mark
And this is totally a Irish folklore staple. Right? It's Yates's stolen.
00;26;46;03 - 00;26;54;10
Sarah
Child. Changelings of some sort are a global. Yes. Staple. Yeah. Of myth and lore.
00;26;54;11 - 00;27;01;10
Mark
Because the notion that something supernatural either takes or replaces your child.
00;27;01;11 - 00;27;19;06
Sarah
Well, the reason why they're universal is that they go back to one very unfortunate fact that there were children who were unwanted. Yes. In some sort. Yeah. Either they couldn't be supported by a family who was very poor or they were born with a disability or some other kind of deformity.
00;27;19;08 - 00;27;20;27
Mark
They were girls.
00;27;20;29 - 00;27;41;08
Sarah
That's a deformity in many parts of the world still today to be born a girl. And so. Oh, no. The elves took my baby. This is a changeling. It's not a real baby. Yeah. If I kill it, they'll return my real good baby. Yeah. Okay, let's put that to the side. Yeah, because changelings can be kind of fun.
00;27;41;12 - 00;27;42;17
Sarah
Yes. If you don't think.
00;27;42;17 - 00;27;43;16
Mark
Of the fun part.
00;27;43;16 - 00;27;48;12
Sarah
Of it, don't think about that part. Yes. Do you know how you get the fairies to give your baby back?
00;27;48;17 - 00;27;51;26
Mark
You ask them. He makes reference to it here. Well.
00;27;51;28 - 00;27;58;16
Sarah
So he thinks that you have to make her drink milk with herbs and then ask them. Yes.
00;27;58;21 - 00;28;01;01
Mark
And they can't lie. At a certain point.
00;28;01;04 - 00;28;03;02
Sarah
After they've had some milk. They can't sit.
00;28;03;05 - 00;28;04;29
Mark
With basil in it.
00;28;05;01 - 00;28;08;19
Sarah
If they've got a mustache, they have to tell the truth and only.
00;28;08;25 - 00;28;11;24
Mark
Bring that stomach a little too close to her face.
00;28;11;29 - 00;28;19;03
Sarah
In other places. You get the baby returned by making the changeling laugh. Okay. Or torturing it.
00;28;19;06 - 00;28;20;01
Mark
Okay.
00;28;20;04 - 00;28;48;05
Sarah
They're kind of extremes. Yes. But I love that. So this is part of the Welsh lore of Changeling. Okay. You identify a changeling by making the family meal on an egg shell. Okay. So I only assume that you, like, cut an egg shell and half and serves food in the eggshell. They believed the Welsh believed that when the meal was served to the Changeling, it would exclaim the following.
00;28;48;08 - 00;29;01;22
Sarah
I've seen the acorn before the oak, but I've never seen the likes of this and then vanish like you all are too crazy If you eat your dinner off of egg shells. I'm out, I'm out. I'm out of here.
00;29;01;24 - 00;29;04;13
Mark
And by out, I mean I'm just going to disappear.
00;29;04;14 - 00;29;25;25
Sarah
Yes. And then maybe your baby will appear. Maybe could be in the bed tonight. Like back in the crib. Could be in the road or in a field somewhere nearby. The baby could have could appear anywhere in Scandinavia. They believe that Iron Cup fairies away. So if you wanted to prevent your baby from being abducted by fairies before it was baptized, that's when they're really in danger.
00;29;25;25 - 00;29;43;14
Sarah
As before they're baptized. If you wanted to prevent that, you had to have some iron near the baby because that would scare the fairies off. So they would often put some kind of iron item near a cradle. Okay. Such as a knife or scissors. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah.
00;29;43;16 - 00;29;47;09
Mark
Maybe not. Yeah. May not be like a doorknob.
00;29;47;15 - 00;30;07;05
Sarah
Or a horseshoe. Maybe. Maybe. But they also thought that you had to keep a fire burning in the nursery all the time, and that the bath water the baby was washed in should never be thrown away. I hope they baptize their babies pretty soon after birth. Otherwise, you'd have quite the accumulation of old bathwater sitting around. Yeah, you know, like, don't throw that out.
00;30;07;08 - 00;30;11;00
Mark
This is all. This is all to deal with infant mortality.
00;30;11;01 - 00;30;14;26
Sarah
Oh, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Margaret's got a secret note.
00;30;14;28 - 00;30;18;27
Mark
Margaret has a secret note in her stomach. Yes. Which?
00;30;19;00 - 00;30;24;26
Sarah
It's not in her drawers like Alfred's underwear in the trees on the street. No, no, She swallowed it.
00;30;25;01 - 00;30;28;01
Mark
I take it because why was.
00;30;28;01 - 00;30;30;15
Sarah
Georges got on when he comes to the door?
00;30;30;18 - 00;30;31;05
Mark
I know.
00;30;31;06 - 00;30;36;03
Sarah
And this note is written in the seemingly most dumb cipher ever.
00;30;36;04 - 00;30;43;10
Mark
So when they make reference to the cipher, they mention Vern's Matthias and DAF here. Do you know what that is?
00;30;43;16 - 00;30;58;05
Sarah
My understanding is that it's a cipher that you and I have to have the same text. Yes. And you cut letters. You cut holes in the note. And when I get it, I put it on the same book that you were looking at. And the letters that poke through or what I should read.
00;30;58;07 - 00;31;01;05
Mark
Which happens in Metallica's send off.
00;31;01;11 - 00;31;01;23
Sarah
Okay.
00;31;01;24 - 00;31;04;08
Mark
Not that both particularly was used.
00;31;04;10 - 00;31;06;20
Sarah
Okay. It's a Bible that they use, isn't it?
00;31;06;21 - 00;31;32;24
Mark
Yeah, it's a Bible they use. But that book by Verne is is something called The Wanderers Tale. Mm hmm. Which are these kind of mid 19th century, early 20th century stories about guys who went around to different kingdoms and magical places. Clearly, Gulliver is part of this tradition. Bear Charles in the film is like this. Yeah, that. That that's with that kind of book.
00;31;32;25 - 00;31;36;08
Mark
It's not Verne's, you know, we went to space books.
00;31;36;09 - 00;31;36;18
Sarah
Right?
00;31;36;18 - 00;31;43;27
Mark
It's more an espionage kind of. Kind of. He's more of a not a James Bond character, but kind of more like.
00;31;43;28 - 00;31;46;28
Sarah
Hence why he would use ciphers and codes. Right.
00;31;46;29 - 00;31;56;10
Mark
I have in my notes that the back and read should know who Verne is since he has Verne's books in his office. But I was wrong. He has H.G. Wells books, not Verne.
00;31;56;11 - 00;32;00;26
Sarah
Now he has the racist books. Yes, Yes. Yes.
00;32;00;29 - 00;32;03;18
Mark
The eugenicist books at his office.
00;32;03;22 - 00;32;10;28
Sarah
I'm not even going to try to understand how Murdoch knew to ignore five letters at a time and this code?
00;32;11;01 - 00;32;14;11
Mark
That language was centuries old.
00;32;14;14 - 00;32;14;28
Sarah
Mm hmm.
00;32;15;00 - 00;32;18;27
Mark
It would be like somebody from our time using early English.
00;32;19;01 - 00;32;21;11
Sarah
Yeah. Yeah. Like, really early English.
00;32;21;12 - 00;32;33;19
Mark
Never. Like, never mind. They have no idea how to put it on the page. There is a lot of hand-waving during that. That period. And I'm like, I don't look. It says Durham on the chalkboard. That's the clue.
00;32;33;23 - 00;32;41;13
Sarah
Look away, look away. Then we get the the biggest explosion in Murdoch so far.
00;32;41;16 - 00;32;47;11
Mark
Yes. And it is a real explosion. I will watched several times now.
00;32;47;13 - 00;32;49;20
Sarah
None of those people is anywhere near.
00;32;49;21 - 00;32;50;28
Mark
No, no, it's not CG.
00;32;51;00 - 00;32;54;11
Sarah
Right. Which is why we don't see them at the same time.
00;32;54;15 - 00;32;56;06
Mark
No, they blow up and carriage.
00;32;56;06 - 00;32;59;26
Sarah
But they absolutely blow up a carriage. They do it is impressive.
00;32;59;27 - 00;33;02;10
Mark
It is. It is some pyrotechnic go work.
00;33;02;10 - 00;33;05;19
Sarah
And it burns so hot it instantly incinerates a man.
00;33;05;20 - 00;33;08;09
Mark
Yeah, I think he was probably dead before that. He.
00;33;08;16 - 00;33;16;25
Sarah
He was dead. But he wasn't pre burned. No, but he would have had to be to be charred to this level that quickly.
00;33;16;26 - 00;33;20;22
Mark
Now is he the redheaded ex-boyfriend, Tucker? Yes.
00;33;20;24 - 00;33;24;08
Sarah
He's Jennings brother. Yes. Snidely, Whiplash. His brother.
00;33;24;11 - 00;33;25;10
Mark
Which. Okay.
00;33;25;12 - 00;33;26;24
Sarah
Who's really Dick Dastardly?
00;33;26;27 - 00;33;32;19
Mark
The bartender. The bartender knows what's going on from the very beginning.
00;33;32;19 - 00;33;33;13
Sarah
Eddie. Colin?
00;33;33;14 - 00;33;43;17
Mark
Yes. And doesn't tell Murdoch anything? No. He has an unfortunate family story. The Troubles are all about unfortunate family stories for either side.
00;33;43;19 - 00;33;44;11
Sarah
Yes.
00;33;44;13 - 00;33;48;27
Mark
So I think it's interesting that I have a child in Ireland right now.
00;33;48;27 - 00;33;49;20
Sarah
As we speak.
00;33;49;24 - 00;33;51;02
Mark
Studying the troubles.
00;33;51;03 - 00;33;51;13
Sarah
Yeah.
00;33;51;17 - 00;33;54;03
Mark
He seems to have been a friend of Murdoch.
00;33;54;08 - 00;34;00;20
Sarah
Murdoch and Colin were at seminary school as well. They were at a Jesuit school. As children. As children? Yes.
00;34;00;26 - 00;34;14;26
Mark
And then he kind of should be like dastardly bad guy. Whiplash, snidely. Whiplash is a bad dude. He's going to go crazy. Like you know that 5 minutes after he reveals his disguise that he's not the Bobo?
00;34;14;28 - 00;34;35;18
Sarah
I don't know. I think when you're involved in a cause like this, sometimes you have to ally yourself with people that you wouldn't choose. But if they're for the same cause you are. You make it work. But when Jennings does snap and says you have to kill Murdoch. Yeah. Colin says no, because. No, fundamentally, he's a good guy.
00;34;35;22 - 00;34;41;05
Mark
Again, there's there is change in Colin. Mm hmm. From the start to the end.
00;34;41;06 - 00;34;45;19
Sarah
Yeah. Okay. But we can't skip over cost. We can't skip over dress up time.
00;34;45;25 - 00;34;54;25
Mark
Okay. Because Henry should play the Mr. Dress up theme and talk about the tickled drag because George goes to the tickled drunk and gets some fancy done.
00;34;54;25 - 00;34;59;09
Sarah
He does, but then Henry gets to dress up in the Princess outfit, too.
00;34;59;10 - 00;35;04;01
Mark
Now, that silly had the prince was. There are pictures of him in that silly hat.
00;35;04;02 - 00;35;06;11
Sarah
Oh, yeah. Actual do. It's an accurate costume.
00;35;06;11 - 00;35;07;10
Mark
There's an accurate.
00;35;07;10 - 00;35;09;17
Sarah
I think he would have had more medals. It is a.
00;35;09;19 - 00;35;10;22
Mark
Very silly hat.
00;35;10;24 - 00;35;15;18
Sarah
Yes, it's a it's a not a tricorn. It's a two to tap. Tap. Right.
00;35;15;21 - 00;35;16;20
Mark
It's a biker.
00;35;16;20 - 00;35;20;09
Sarah
Yeah. Poor dude. Probably had to wear all kinds of stupid stuff.
00;35;20;14 - 00;35;21;03
Mark
Oh, I'm.
00;35;21;03 - 00;35;24;05
Sarah
Sure he probably had to wear tights and breaches at some point for.
00;35;24;05 - 00;35;31;09
Mark
Something. I'm not exactly sure why George has to dress up. It makes sense that Henry dresses up. But not George.
00;35;31;11 - 00;35;36;01
Sarah
George tries on the clothes because Alfred tells him to. Even though they're built completely different.
00;35;36;02 - 00;35;36;25
Mark
Oh, they.
00;35;36;28 - 00;35;43;21
Sarah
The pants alone would have been a problem. No, but they sell them because it makes them mix. It makes them blend in.
00;35;43;22 - 00;35;47;17
Mark
There's all those guys there to dress him, but nobody to provide security.
00;35;47;19 - 00;36;04;24
Sarah
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. All those people are like, I'm only in charge of his cravats. I don't care if he lives or not. I'm sorry. I just tie the cravat. Yes. But when Henry turns around from that mirror, he looks like a little kid who's put his dad's suit up.
00;36;04;24 - 00;36;05;23
Mark
Oh, totally.
00;36;05;25 - 00;36;12;15
Sarah
It's like you and I. Wave, guy. Wave. But. But they don't give him a mustache. No, they needs a mustache.
00;36;12;16 - 00;36;29;02
Mark
They don't give him a mustache. And anyone from 20 yards away would be like, Who's that? Yeah. And, okay, like, everything becomes so easy. And Murdoch figures out that maybe it's not easy. It's being set up.
00;36;29;06 - 00;36;29;20
Sarah
Mm hmm.
00;36;29;27 - 00;36;36;29
Mark
But wouldn't you know that as soon as the carriage exploded and they weren't in it? Like, that's obviously a set up then.
00;36;37;02 - 00;37;02;06
Sarah
I don't know. They weren't supposed to be in the carriage yet, so I don't know. But as soon as Jennings pulls out two pistols. Yeah, he certainly figures it. Yeah. And then they're back at the police station. Okay. George is dressed as the prince. Yeah. I'm sorry. Henry's dressed as a prince. George has his top hat and morning coat on, and then Barack and Reid is like, we have to find them, right?
00;37;02;07 - 00;37;11;11
Sarah
Because Murdoch and the prince have been taken hostage. Yes. Julius, like, Oh, no. Murdoch might be in danger. I found a bullet in a jar. And then he's like.
00;37;11;18 - 00;37;12;06
Mark
Well, okay.
00;37;12;07 - 00;37;24;16
Sarah
To find out anything we want. And I had this image of George of Henry sitting his desk, wearing the prince's outfit, doing police work in that outfit, you know. But they they change clothes before the next scene. They're back. And so.
00;37;24;18 - 00;37;41;13
Mark
So I know this episode was written by a woman, but I would have made a guess that was written by a woman because of that scene where Juliet comes in and says, I have an incredibly important piece of information to give you. And Bracken reads like, We don't have time for that.
00;37;41;16 - 00;37;47;10
Sarah
Shut up, lady. And she's like, No, she persists. Yeah, because she's got a key piece of information.
00;37;47;12 - 00;37;49;04
Mark
Then he goes, You're right.
00;37;49;10 - 00;37;51;03
Sarah
Tucker was dead already.
00;37;51;03 - 00;37;53;02
Mark
Like, There is a change in Bracken.
00;37;53;10 - 00;37;58;29
Sarah
Yeah, Yeah. He's like, Oh, wait a minute. I should listen to you. You do have important information. Yes. Wait a minute.
00;37;59;05 - 00;38;02;23
Mark
Did you see where the map was from that they looked at all the regions?
00;38;02;26 - 00;38;03;18
Sarah
No.
00;38;03;21 - 00;38;08;04
Mark
The direct only company of Canada. Of Toronto.
00;38;08;05 - 00;38;09;07
Sarah
Mighty Directory.
00;38;09;07 - 00;38;10;24
Mark
Mighty directory.
00;38;10;26 - 00;38;22;01
Sarah
Wow. Way to be boastful in your business name. I don't know where Super podcasting company of the universe would live up to that.
00;38;22;03 - 00;38;35;04
Mark
So boom, the carriage explodes. There's a dead man in it. It's the redheaded stepchild. And we find out that he has the missing necklace on him, and it is completely fine.
00;38;35;07 - 00;38;40;18
Sarah
Yeah, well, then we find out that Tucker is Jennings brother, because Jennings is actually a talker.
00;38;40;23 - 00;38;55;01
Mark
So then before that, and right at the end of the morgue scene is such a midsummer trope. Okay, There's been an explosion. Yeah. Probably the only one in Toronto that year.
00;38;55;02 - 00;39;01;22
Sarah
Yeah. I don't know. Stuff exploded all the time back then. Oh, the barrel of maple sirup just broke up.
00;39;01;28 - 00;39;03;02
Mark
At least one.
00;39;03;02 - 00;39;03;29
Sarah
Okay. Okay.
00;39;03;29 - 00;39;17;02
Mark
And that explosion clearly is related to the prince. The library opening. By the way, no library in Toronto looks like that. Mm hmm. Okay. And at the end of the Maude scene, they're like, Let's have a parade.
00;39;17;06 - 00;39;19;14
Sarah
Yeah. Yeah, I know.
00;39;19;14 - 00;39;22;09
Mark
They're like, maybe a parade is not the best thing.
00;39;22;09 - 00;39;36;21
Sarah
We know that somebody just tried to kill him and blew up the vehicle he was supposed to be in. So let's put him in another vehicle. Yes, And a more public place. Yes. No, No, no. Wait a minute. Let's put Henry in the car. Yeah.
00;39;36;22 - 00;39;38;07
Mark
Why is Henry not going?
00;39;38;07 - 00;39;46;09
Sarah
Oh, I don't want to die. I don't want to die. I'm too young to die. I'm too pretty to die.
00;39;46;11 - 00;39;50;24
Mark
So there's a small change in plan because Chip Lovejoy has taken over.
00;39;50;25 - 00;39;56;05
Sarah
Yes. Snidely. Whiplash, a.k.a. Jennings, has taken Murdoch and the Prince to.
00;39;56;05 - 00;39;57;29
Mark
The Summerhill Ravine.
00;39;58;01 - 00;40;02;05
Sarah
To a barn where all the Fenians are just hanging out.
00;40;02;11 - 00;40;05;05
Mark
Yeah. Where were those Fenians before?
00;40;05;08 - 00;40;06;05
Sarah
Sitting in the bar.
00;40;06;11 - 00;40;07;02
Mark
And.
00;40;07;04 - 00;40;07;26
Sarah
Not.
00;40;07;29 - 00;40;08;08
Mark
I love.
00;40;08;10 - 00;40;09;06
Sarah
Not fighting.
00;40;09;08 - 00;40;15;14
Mark
I love. George calls his Scotland Yard, and they're like, Oh, yeah. Jennings. This way, Sus.
00;40;15;20 - 00;40;35;01
Sarah
Yeah, I know. We let the prince go across the ocean with them, and he's the only person we send with him. Other than that cravat guy who's pretty useless. But, yeah, he's. He's a baddie. Oh, Do you think we should have done something about that? Oh, you guys should do something about that. He's a baddie.
00;40;35;03 - 00;40;36;09
Mark
You've seen it.
00;40;36;11 - 00;40;38;26
Sarah
You've seen his mustache. Yeah. Come on. Obviously, he's.
00;40;39;02 - 00;40;39;20
Mark
Clearly.
00;40;39;21 - 00;40;40;03
Sarah
Yeah.
00;40;40;09 - 00;40;44;27
Mark
Who snitched? Kate. Dude, it's not that hard to figure out.
00;40;44;29 - 00;40;56;11
Sarah
You're. You're in the number two guy's house. Yeah, that he owns. Yeah, that's just outside of town. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty easy to figure out.
00;40;56;13 - 00;41;05;13
Mark
Now, the prince at this point has said he's going to do the parade because his grandmother was was there were many assassination attempts on his grandmother.
00;41;05;13 - 00;41;11;14
Sarah
And there were. And there were there was this a really good BBC podcast about all the people who tried to kill Victoria.
00;41;11;15 - 00;41;12;19
Mark
I think you mentioned that.
00;41;12;19 - 00;41;14;28
Sarah
Most of them were Looney Tunes teenagers.
00;41;14;28 - 00;41;23;01
Mark
Yeah, Looney Tunes. So that and I took that as kind of fake bravado, but he shows some real bravado here.
00;41;23;08 - 00;41;27;05
Sarah
Well, when they're being held hostage, he says Murdoch has nothing to do with this. Let him go.
00;41;27;06 - 00;41;29;15
Mark
Yeah, Which it shows some character.
00;41;29;17 - 00;41;30;10
Sarah
Yeah.
00;41;30;12 - 00;41;41;05
Mark
He's not making up dirty limericks now. No, he knows this is serious. And I actually appreciated that he got the hell out of Dodge when he could. He didn't. He wasn't like, Oh.
00;41;41;05 - 00;41;42;12
Sarah
Do you not.
00;41;42;15 - 00;41;44;09
Mark
Know? He was like, I'm out of here.
00;41;44;09 - 00;41;46;20
Sarah
I'm running. You should run to come.
00;41;46;20 - 00;41;49;07
Mark
On, because that's what Murdoch would have told him to do. Yeah.
00;41;49;11 - 00;41;58;03
Sarah
Yeah, I think he shows a lot of character. Yeah. Maybe he shouldn't throw his underwear in trees. Maybe. But maybe somebody's got those underwear. I'm sure they were very nice.
00;41;58;04 - 00;42;02;16
Mark
So, Snidely Whiplash gives the bartender the Sophie's Choice here.
00;42;02;16 - 00;42;02;28
Sarah
Kill him.
00;42;03;03 - 00;42;05;00
Mark
You've got to kill Murdoch to prove.
00;42;05;02 - 00;42;07;00
Sarah
Your loyalty to the cause.
00;42;07;00 - 00;42;08;23
Mark
Your loyalty to the cause.
00;42;08;29 - 00;42;10;03
Sarah
He's not going to do it.
00;42;10;03 - 00;42;14;27
Mark
No. So there's a moment, and then he shoots snidely Whiplash.
00;42;14;27 - 00;42;15;11
Sarah
Yes.
00;42;15;17 - 00;42;17;03
Mark
And all hell breaks loose.
00;42;17;09 - 00;42;22;04
Sarah
Well, because he's. Jennings has poured gasoline all over the straw.
00;42;22;10 - 00;42;25;28
Mark
Yeah. Did everybody else not be like, eh.
00;42;26;00 - 00;42;29;06
Sarah
I didn't sign up to die in a barn with you? Dude, I'm out. Yeah.
00;42;29;13 - 00;42;31;01
Mark
Did they call it gasoline?
00;42;31;01 - 00;42;35;21
Sarah
Petrol? I don't know. They didn't say he was just cornered out of the can because it was pretty clear.
00;42;35;21 - 00;42;39;05
Mark
What it was to be lamp oil. It wouldn't be gasoline, because at this.
00;42;39;05 - 00;42;40;23
Sarah
Point in time, they wouldn't have any. You're right.
00;42;40;24 - 00;42;49;17
Mark
They have no idea what to do with gasoline. Gasoline is a byproduct of oil. Refining. Refining? Yeah. They're throwing it in the water.
00;42;49;17 - 00;42;50;04
Sarah
Yeah, they just.
00;42;50;04 - 00;42;52;05
Mark
Because they have idea what to do with you.
00;42;52;05 - 00;42;53;26
Sarah
Can't run a horse on gas.
00;42;53;28 - 00;43;13;12
Mark
And there were articles about you can't run no worse on gasoline. Gasoline? The the petrol byproduct was thrown away in huge amounts because they had no idea what to do with it. Yeah. One of the smartest things about the coming car revolution is.
00;43;13;12 - 00;43;14;15
Sarah
That use that stuff.
00;43;14;16 - 00;43;26;07
Mark
They use that stuff and it all. The only problem with it was that it created NOx things in the engine and if we just shove enough lead in it, we'll be okay.
00;43;26;10 - 00;43;36;18
Sarah
Well, the scary thing is that when they were throwing it out into waterways and stuff, you wouldn't know because it was odorless. Yep. Right. The smell that we associate with gas is added to it.
00;43;36;20 - 00;43;37;18
Mark
Yes, it is.
00;43;37;20 - 00;43;39;08
Sarah
So otherwise, I mean, you would.
00;43;39;12 - 00;43;41;29
Mark
It would just be a film on the water if that.
00;43;42;00 - 00;43;44;10
Sarah
Yeah. Yeah. So you could be drinking it. You wouldn't.
00;43;44;10 - 00;43;47;07
Mark
But you know, the good old days, there are so great.
00;43;47;10 - 00;43;59;21
Sarah
Lamps all over the. Hey, let's ride it out. Jennings is like, we're going down. No, no, I'm just a third rate henchman guy back here in a flat cap. I'm not doing that. No.
00;43;59;22 - 00;44;11;02
Mark
Now, I would have done it slightly different. I would have had him go in, run back in and free Murdock in the print, because then we definitely know why he ran back in.
00;44;11;08 - 00;44;11;25
Sarah
Mm hmm.
00;44;11;27 - 00;44;12;23
Mark
But here.
00;44;12;23 - 00;44;15;24
Sarah
Cullen running back into the barn while it's on fire, it's.
00;44;15;24 - 00;44;18;05
Mark
Suicidal. It's not dying heroically.
00;44;18;06 - 00;44;19;02
Sarah
Right.
00;44;19;04 - 00;44;23;01
Mark
He acted heroically, but he did not die heroically.
00;44;23;06 - 00;44;41;22
Sarah
No, because he voluntarily ran back in. Yes. Now, if you think that's what he did. Yes. Because he knows he's going to get in trouble for shooting Jennings. Yes. Right. Though he probably wouldn't have because he saved everybody's life. Yeah, right. Self-defense and all. He could have run right through the barn and out the other side to get away and not be.
00;44;41;24 - 00;44;42;18
Mark
All he totally.
00;44;42;18 - 00;44;43;10
Sarah
Charged with.
00;44;43;10 - 00;44;48;21
Mark
It could have easily like these people had no idea who the woman was for like, half the episode.
00;44;48;22 - 00;44;49;11
Sarah
Yeah.
00;44;49;13 - 00;44;50;23
Mark
You can easily hide out.
00;44;50;28 - 00;44;57;07
Sarah
Yeah, he could have just gotten away. Yeah, but I don't think that's what he did. I think he actually killed himself in the barn. Yes.
00;44;57;10 - 00;45;02;22
Mark
To be with his family. Yeah. So then we have the turn with Julie.
00;45;02;24 - 00;45;03;17
Sarah
Murdoch's kind of.
00;45;03;17 - 00;45;09;24
Mark
Booboo. Murdoch has a booboo, and Julia is tending to him, and it just becomes too much.
00;45;09;25 - 00;45;10;22
Sarah
She tears up.
00;45;10;26 - 00;45;30;28
Mark
And I don't fault that at all. No, I think her feelings are a lot more than Murdoch latch on. His feelings are. Mm hmm. And she has come face to face with the knowledge that he almost died. Mm hmm. And he came very close. This is the closest we've seen Murdoch dying, even including getting shot with the arrow.
00;45;30;29 - 00;45;32;06
Sarah
He had a gun aimed at his head.
00;45;32;07 - 00;45;36;12
Mark
Yeah. This is serious. This is the first time. This is a really funny episode.
00;45;36;13 - 00;45;37;10
Sarah
It is. There's a long.
00;45;37;10 - 00;45;41;20
Mark
Record. He's like, Let's go to the armory and get the long guns.
00;45;41;22 - 00;45;51;18
Sarah
You get kind of used to stand back and read with a big gun. Yeah. It suits him. Yes. To be carrying a shotgun. It just kind of looks right on him, I guess. I don't know.
00;45;51;21 - 00;46;02;21
Mark
What I like is it's touching. Murdoch understands what's going on, and he doesn't have to say. Are you upset because I almost died? Yeah, he knows that.
00;46;02;24 - 00;46;05;18
Sarah
Aw, shucks. Are you into me or something?
00;46;05;23 - 00;46;08;10
Mark
None of that. This is what I.
00;46;08;14 - 00;46;09;13
Sarah
Guess that's.
00;46;09;15 - 00;46;21;25
Mark
What I really like about this end scene is what two people who actually cared about each other would do in this situation. She would be upset, but she would be trying to hide it.
00;46;21;26 - 00;46;25;11
Sarah
Yeah. Ah, Get. Just get through it. Not make a big deal out of it.
00;46;25;17 - 00;46;28;25
Mark
And he doesn't make a big deal of it because he loves her too.
00;46;28;26 - 00;46;31;18
Sarah
He doesn't say, Julia, I like your big bum.
00;46;31;24 - 00;46;32;13
Mark
No.
00;46;32;15 - 00;46;33;29
Sarah
Will you be my vulgar girl?
00;46;33;29 - 00;46;37;17
Mark
Will you be my vulgar girl with your big bum?
00;46;37;19 - 00;46;40;21
Sarah
Who knows how big or bum as they were in those big dresses? Who knows?
00;46;40;22 - 00;46;41;02
Mark
Who knows?
00;46;41;03 - 00;46;46;16
Sarah
She could have a little bitty bum. She could have a great big bum. We wouldn't know.
00;46;46;18 - 00;46;57;06
Mark
I don't know where to go with that. And Julia's bum will be on the near the end of the episode.
00;46;57;08 - 00;46;59;21
Sarah
Are you ready for Snidely Whiplash?
00;46;59;28 - 00;47;01;24
Mark
Shooting at Julia is.
00;47;01;27 - 00;47;05;11
Sarah
Curling Stone's best corpse.
00;47;05;17 - 00;47;08;19
Mark
Well, okay, we got to. Mm hmm. We got.
00;47;08;22 - 00;47;16;13
Sarah
Rob. Really? We have three. We have Maggie, We have Tucker, and then we have Jennings. Yes, because Jennings is face down in the bar and he's dead.
00;47;16;14 - 00;47;29;26
Mark
Yeah. I got to say her because she does a good body on the slab, especially when Julia is scraping fuckin with that appliance. Like you would have normal natural reactions to that.
00;47;30;01 - 00;47;35;17
Sarah
I'm going to go with Tucker because he's insta char. That's impressive. That's hard to do.
00;47;35;18 - 00;47;37;19
Mark
It's a good dead body model.
00;47;37;21 - 00;47;38;22
Sarah
Not really. It's just.
00;47;38;22 - 00;47;39;29
Mark
It should have a little red hair.
00;47;40;00 - 00;47;47;02
Sarah
It's like you're really into him being a redhead, aren't you? We see him one time and he's wearing a hat. I don't know why you're so in this area.
00;47;47;03 - 00;47;52;28
Mark
Because it's much like the bar. It is the stereotypical Irish dude.
00;47;52;29 - 00;48;07;28
Sarah
Yeah. Yeah. Like the corpse should be charred, but still have freckles. Is that what you're saying? Nugget about be rusted lucky charm. What are those flecks on? I know it's black, but I can see that. Oh, those are just freckles. They burn different after the credits.
00;48;08;03 - 00;48;09;21
Mark
After the credits.
00;48;09;23 - 00;48;11;13
Sarah
I think Colin's dead.
00;48;11;15 - 00;48;12;01
Mark
You do?
00;48;12;02 - 00;48;12;12
Sarah
Yeah.
00;48;12;16 - 00;48;13;13
Mark
Okay.
00;48;13;16 - 00;48;22;01
Sarah
I think Mr. Gale Patrick is going to have to accept that no fairies are going to be returning his daughter. No, I hope that he does.
00;48;22;06 - 00;48;24;02
Mark
His daughter is definitely gone.
00;48;24;05 - 00;48;29;04
Sarah
Who is going to go back to England with Alfred? I don't. Is he going to travel alone?
00;48;29;06 - 00;48;31;20
Mark
They're going to have to send somebody.
00;48;31;22 - 00;48;35;20
Sarah
I think maybe George and Henry should go with them and escort him back to England.
00;48;35;22 - 00;48;36;18
Mark
Well, okay.
00;48;36;18 - 00;48;44;18
Sarah
Then maybe the queen could say thank you to them personally. That is an episode I want to see real bad.
00;48;44;19 - 00;48;48;20
Mark
Well, we kind of almost see it in the latest episode of Murdoch.
00;48;48;20 - 00;48;54;05
Sarah
Well, yeah, in season 16. Yeah, he does go to England. But no, I want to say no. I want to.
00;48;54;05 - 00;48;55;28
Mark
See Mr. England or why they go.
00;48;56;01 - 00;49;01;21
Sarah
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want to see those three on a boat for whatever a month. Yeah, it would take.
00;49;01;24 - 00;49;02;17
Mark
And we'll be fed.
00;49;02;21 - 00;49;05;02
Sarah
Living it up. That's what I want to see.
00;49;05;10 - 00;49;07;24
Mark
You eventually would run out of women on the boat.
00;49;07;24 - 00;49;09;13
Sarah
And alcohol, I would think. I would.
00;49;09;13 - 00;49;10;12
Mark
Think so.
00;49;10;14 - 00;49;13;02
Sarah
Are you ready for a horrible movie?
00;49;13;05 - 00;49;16;23
Mark
I think that everybody. So. Yeah. Hit me up with the horrible movie.
00;49;16;23 - 00;49;18;18
Sarah
Oh, I got one for you now.
00;49;18;19 - 00;49;19;25
Mark
Oh, good.
00;49;19;27 - 00;49;28;17
Sarah
So, Vincent Walsh, who plays Eddie Cullen. Yes. The friend who goes back into the barn is in this 1996 film.
00;49;28;20 - 00;49;34;02
Mark
Okay. I would have been living in Canada when this was on. I don't know if he's Canadian or not.
00;49;34;04 - 00;49;48;13
Sarah
He is. I'm going to give you the tagline first. Okay. They've shipped everything from square pegs to antigravity beer, but now they've got a load of real trouble square peg. I guess you can start.
00;49;48;14 - 00;49;53;16
Mark
So this is not the weird import one with the crazy Santa?
00;49;53;18 - 00;49;56;01
Sarah
No, no, no. That's way after 90. So it's.
00;49;56;01 - 00;49;56;27
Mark
Way after 90.
00;49;56;27 - 00;49;58;12
Sarah
Six. Ready for the synopsis?
00;49;58;13 - 00;49;58;28
Mark
Yes.
00;49;59;02 - 00;50;13;03
Sarah
A space trucker and his cute fiancee are on the way. Their way from a space station to earth with an unknown cargo. When space pirates hijack them, 5000 disintegrating robots are found in the cargo. Wow.
00;50;13;05 - 00;50;18;04
Mark
96. Mm hmm. I was too busy playing darts, wearing suits, and.
00;50;18;06 - 00;50;26;16
Sarah
You can't believe who's in it. Okay, Charles, dance. Wow. Who plays the the dad on Game of Thrones, right? Dennis Hopper.
00;50;26;19 - 00;50;28;29
Mark
It's a Dennis Hopper movie I haven't seen.
00;50;29;02 - 00;50;32;07
Sarah
And George Wendt was Norm in Cheers.
00;50;32;07 - 00;50;33;12
Mark
Norm and Cheers.
00;50;33;15 - 00;50;34;02
Sarah
Mm hmm.
00;50;34;05 - 00;50;36;09
Mark
Well-known Bob Mold fans.
00;50;36;11 - 00;50;39;00
Sarah
All these big people are in it.
00;50;39;02 - 00;50;43;02
Mark
I know. I'm going to have said I heard of it, but I never saw this.
00;50;43;10 - 00;50;55;02
Sarah
It's called Space Trekker. Space, which I just realized. I said when the synopsis, I had to play it off. Yeah. Space trekker. Wow. It's a wackadoo looking movie, I can tell you that.
00;50;55;05 - 00;50;57;04
Mark
Charles Dance in some rough movie.
00;50;57;04 - 00;51;00;26
Sarah
I could not figure out whether it was supposed to be funny or not.
00;51;00;28 - 00;51;03;19
Mark
I'm with George Wendt and thinking funny.
00;51;03;21 - 00;51;11;22
Sarah
I don't know. I couldn't tell whether it was supposed to be funny or just have funny moments. And it's just a really bad movie.
00;51;11;24 - 00;51;16;14
Mark
It doesn't look like it has. Oh, Stephen Dorff, Debi Mazar.
00;51;16;16 - 00;51;18;15
Sarah
Debi Mazar. That's his name. Oh, my.
00;51;18;15 - 00;51;23;14
Mark
Gosh. Why have I not seen this movie? Well, I didn't see this movie because I was too.
00;51;23;14 - 00;51;24;14
Sarah
Busy being yuppie.
00;51;24;14 - 00;51;26;10
Mark
Working like crazy mad.
00;51;26;10 - 00;51;31;13
Sarah
At this space trucker 1996 Vincent, while she plays Eddie, Colin is in it.
00;51;31;18 - 00;51;36;17
Mark
I definitely have seen the VHS cassette in a store.
00;51;36;19 - 00;51;37;21
Sarah
You've seen the cover?
00;51;37;22 - 00;51;38;25
Mark
Yeah, I definitely.
00;51;38;25 - 00;51;40;02
Sarah
You've never seen the movie?
00;51;40;03 - 00;51;41;20
Mark
I never saw the movie.
00;51;41;22 - 00;51;55;16
Sarah
One for me. Yeah. Wow. Jean, I should be tracking points, like every six months or something totaling them up every 20 episodes. Or we should be playing the long game. Maybe. See who's gonna lose by.
00;51;55;21 - 00;51;57;14
Mark
A million points, and I would have none.
00;51;57;17 - 00;51;58;11
Sarah
You have some?
00;51;58;11 - 00;51;59;06
Mark
I have some.
00;51;59;06 - 00;52;08;13
Sarah
There's some times when you got all. I have like, three movies and you get all of them sometimes. All right. That's the prince and the rebel. This is episode 12 of season one.
00;52;08;14 - 00;52;12;18
Mark
One more of episodes. And that episode.
00;52;12;18 - 00;52;14;09
Sarah
Is a favorite episode.
00;52;14;13 - 00;52;17;02
Mark
And the toys. That Red Planet.
00;52;17;10 - 00;52;18;00
Sarah
Yeah.
00;52;18;01 - 00;52;22;02
Mark
Oh, my God. In the enterprise space.
00;52;22;05 - 00;52;32;18
Sarah
The final frontier of murder and dirt. My turn to Mars. Dastardly international agent. Yes. I won't do any limericks next week, I promise.
00;52;32;20 - 00;52;37;26
Mark
Okay. You can find us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and all the.
00;52;37;26 - 00;52;40;28
Sarah
Websites and subreddit and play YouTube.
00;52;41;01 - 00;53;10;20
Mark
Please. If you are a listener, please follow us on all these things. It helps us hit new people. Right. I know, especially with YouTube, we have a lot of people who listen on YouTube or maybe not subscribed, but please subscribe because this helps us find new listeners and grow the community. Remember the merch sales to the 1st of June are going to target ovarian cancer and there is a new shirt in the shop that you can pick up right now.
00;53;10;21 - 00;53;27;20
Sarah
New design. It's orange shirts, it's on tote bags on aprons. Yeah. If there's something that you wanted on that I didn't put up, let me know. But we can put it on. You can put baby outfits, whatever. Yep. And I think babies should have T-shirts that say murder. But, hey, if that's your thing, I'll put it on the baby.
00;53;27;20 - 00;53;29;22
Mark
With the baby in the Sacko Fox T-shirt.
00;53;29;23 - 00;53;34;14
Sarah
That's true. That's different, though. Yes. Yes. All right. Till next time.
00;53;34;16 - 00;53;35;18
Mark
By me.
00;53;35;20 - 00;53;40;12
Sarah
Are you a change? No, you're not really my husband. You moved to Canada and came back. Changed.
00;53;40;18 - 00;53;42;04
Mark
What's this all about?
00;53;42;06 - 00;53;58;17
Sarah
Boots by me.
00;53;58;20 - 00;54;07;09
Mark
Mystery Maniacs is a comedy recap podcast, dedicated mystery TV. Each week we look into the.
00;54;07;12 - 00;54;17;26
Sarah
Year so far. That's for your sake. Each week we like that. Each week we get an episode of his show.
