Episode 170 - Murdoch Mysteries - "Snakes and Ladders" - Dance Lessons & Hysteria Soup!
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Mark
Double, double, double what.
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Sarah
Is? Hey, maniac.
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Mark
Hey, maniacs.
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Sarah
Welcome to Mystery Maniacs.
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Mark
Mystery Maniacs is a comedy recap podcast dedicated to mystery TV. Every week we dig into an episode of the show, including the murders, the mayhem, the loonies, and everything else we love. This week, we're covering murder mysteries. Season two Episode two Snakes and Ladders.
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Sarah
Yes.
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Mark
If your children are old enough to play snakes and ladders, they're old enough to watch this episode and listen to this podcast.
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Sarah
If you're American, it's Chutes and Ladders Chutes. And because we don't like your snakes, we want slides. They're way more fun. We all the way down to degradation.
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Mark
Hey, if this podcast is kind of amazing this week since, boy, have we had some weather.
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Sarah
Yeah, I'm really, really glad we're recording almost on schedule because we have been without internet and or without power at least once a day for the last five days.
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Mark
Yes, our children are clinically insane. Oh, my. Maybe we should put them in giant pack tubs and push their heads down.
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
It's like Dr. Roberts doesn't episode. It's amazing how we all kind of forget how to entertain ourselves when we have no Internet. Everybody is just sitting around staring at each other like entertain me.
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Mark
The other night I was like, I don't want to talk to the children anymore. So I was like, Let's talk about your futures.
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Sarah
And they all just disappeared.
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Mark
They all just disappeared. I didn't really want to talk about them.
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Sarah
No. You just wanted them to go away and entertain themselves somewhere else.
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Mark
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Sarah
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Sarah
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Mark
Also, busy, busy month for Marky Mark and his funky bunch. I'm probably going to do a Kickstarter this month, so you'll have to hear about that from my comic company.
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Sarah
So only a little.
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Mark
It is only a little, but I think this book more than the other book, is a great gift for a granddaughter or a grandson.
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Sarah
Maybe.
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Mark
Maybe.
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Sarah
Oh, by the way, Happy Canada Day.
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Mark
Thank you very much. And happy Independence Day for us. Independence Day.
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Sarah
Happy Independence Day.
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Mark
Well, we still have the queen and everything, but no, the king of all the queen anymore.
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Sarah
So they're coming to get you now. Yeah. You can't make that kind of mistake and stay in the monarchy.
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Mark
February 10th, 2009. This was originally broadcast. Now, so, Fred, man directed this. He also directed Power and the Belly Speaker. Mm hmm. And I think power, he had no idea what he was doing.
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Sarah
Nobody did.
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Mark
They're trying to figure out. Belly speaker. They were almost there. He got the brief this time. Yeah. This is a whack a doodle murdoch episode.
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Sarah
It is. It's got fun. It's got murders and grisly bits. And. Yeah, Personality written.
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Mark
By Karl Coombs. So the cold open is straight out of a hammer horror movie. It's dark street. There's a lonely woman. There's a carriage that drives up.
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Sarah
Why aren't these street lights on?
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Mark
It's late at night.
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Sarah
That's when you need them the most. They should be on. Yeah. You know.
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Mark
This is one of those weird carriages where you ride inside of it and drive.
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Sarah
Oh, so he's sitting on the little couch inside with the reins in his hand?
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Mark
Yes, because there's a big open space front.
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Sarah
Open? Yeah. It's got blood red curtains in the windows.
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Mark
In that great step there falls down that.
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Mark
Plank.
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Mark
Come on.
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Sarah
But that's the equivalent of pulling up next to somebody and leaning over and opening the door, the car door. Get in. That's. No, don't get in. You're showing me you're from Scotland Yard. What does that mean to me? Yeah, nothing.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
We're not in England. Nothing. I'm not getting in. I no way, no how. But the first girl, Muffet, she has been a prostitute in the past. Yeah. So she's more likely to get in, I guess.
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Mark
I guess so.
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Sarah
But then Murdoch has son in a box.
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Mark
Son in a box? He's step one. Put his son in the box.
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Sarah
He invents a UV light.
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
As one of his many like you did. Right. So what?
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Mark
The rowing club murders had some floppy, phosphorescent, glowing grain. I think it was. Yeah, I remember. Right. Yeah. Or dirt or something. And he's.
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Sarah
It was drawings of some sort.
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Mark
He is extrapolated from that, that if you put the sun in the box, you can see my fingernails.
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Sarah
Thing is that lots of things glow under black light. Ah, UV light. Yeah. A lot of things. Not just blood.
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Mark
Blood does not. And so it would come across as very black.
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Sarah
Yeah, I'm just saying that sort of catch up.
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Mark
Well.
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Mark
Yeah. You know.
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Sarah
Somebody had a bunch of hot.
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Mark
Dogs and.
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Sarah
Catch.
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Mark
Up. Hasn't been invented yet.
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Mark
That's not.
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Sarah
True. They had tomato sauce, I guess.
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Mark
Two tickets for the dinosaur thing. Sure.
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Sarah
It's the dino.
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Mark
Ball. The dino ball.
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Sarah
That's what I'm calling it. It's the dinosaur ball.
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Mark
Which is what we get to see next week.
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Sarah
The dino ball, the dino ball. It's true. That's true. I guess I can't decide whether I'm surprised that Murdock doesn't know how to dance. He went to a Jesuit school where they would not have focused on those kinds of things.
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Mark
I think he's just trying to.
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Sarah
He wants to be sure he. And he can impress Julia. Yeah.
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Mark
He knows that Julia is richer than him, so he doesn't want to. He wants to appear prepared and like this is a big thing for him. This is really his first date. Yeah, since his fiancee.
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Sarah
But Julia should know how to dance. Julia should call in shenanigans.
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Mark
She absolutely should know how to dance.
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Sarah
Yeah, she was raised wealthy. She has a younger sister. They both would have been taught how to dance even if she didn't buy into the whole, you know, debutante thing that people of her class might have. I think she would have learned the basics of dance. I think she would have been expected to go to some parties in her teenage years.
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Mark
I would think so. I think they even make reference to that when her sister shows up in two episodes.
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Sarah
Yeah. Then we get a body.
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Mark
We get a body that's been gutted.
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Sarah
Little Miss Moffat.
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Mark
Alberta Moffat has been gutted. Did you know that your first name is a province.
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Sarah
That's the pattern.
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Mark
She does.
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Sarah
She should've known it when Quebec Johnson was killed. Some poor kid going fishing. Found something he wasn't looking.
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Mark
Saskatchewan. John?
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Mark
Yeah.
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Mark
Poor Prince Edward Island. Wilson.
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Sarah
We finally figure it out when none of it. Rogers was found dead. Oh, How many Nunavut women are there?
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Mark
These are the twins, Newfoundland and Labrador.
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Sarah
None of them got a better name than the other one. Yeah. So Alberta muffin has been gutted. Very similar. Nice Jackson.
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Mark
Really nice to be here. But I have a problem with this entire scene. But did you know something about the writing?
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Sarah
So first look, it says Try to stop me in blood on the other side of the fence.
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Mark
On the other side of the fence, way down at the ground. Do you lie under the fence to do this? Okay. Did you also bring a stencil? Because, boy, the letters are perfect. The next one is clearly written in blood. Okay, This.
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Sarah
One is too. Okay. So he puts her on some hay bales on one side of the path. The rock is on the other side of the path. So he had to. He murdered her in the carriage. Right. Okay. So he dumps her body and then dips his fingers in her guts, goes over, writes one letter on the rock, comes back, dips his fingers again.
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Sarah
You're right. You're right.
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Mark
You're missing an important part. He had to put the stencil on the rock first.
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Sarah
But nobody noticed him going back and forth between a bystander.
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Mark
He lost out because the only way you can do it is if you lie down.
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Sarah
Because it's so low to the ground. Well, maybe he picked it up. Maybe he's much stronger than you think.
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Mark
Maybe he's just crawling back and.
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Mark
Forth.
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Mark
With the stance.
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Sarah
And nobody notice.
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Mark
It was impressive. His registration was quite well.
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Sarah
Good. Maybe he put the centerline and then he just, like, squelched your guts up against the rock one time, like a big stamp. And then later over there.
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Mark
That would work. Maybe. Human stand. Yeah, I could see that. You're just like, I don't have time for this. I'm Edward Scarlett.
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Sarah
Scanlon. Scanlon of Scotland Yard.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
Okay, so I'm not showing you any ID or any evidence of who I am. Just take me at my word because I have an accent.
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Mark
The incredible conceit is, Oh, he's a British person. He can't be lying.
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Mark
Right?
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Sarah
There's lots of British people in Canada.
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Mark
But God forbid he was Irish.
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Mark
Oh.
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Sarah
Liar. Pants on fire. Yes, I love it.
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Mark
He'll kill again. Wow. Okay. Really, really.
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Sarah
Genius Bracken. And comes out his Scanlon shoves his way through the constables. How dare you touch me? Get off me and Bracken Reed, Inspector Thomas Bracken Reed of the Toronto Constabulary and whips his jacket open to show his badge. Now, more professions should be able to do that. I should be able to go. Doctor Sarah Smith Robins, Podcaster, Web designer.
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Sarah
Here's my.
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Mark
Bed. I meet ComicBook.
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Sarah
I don't think that would be as effective though.
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Mark
Have you ever had a badge or anything in any job?
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Sarah
I have a swipe card.
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Mark
Yeah, I have a name. I've like had a name badge, but that's.
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Sarah
When I was a crossing guard in elementary school. I had a badge. Oh, it was silver.
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Mark
Wow.
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Sarah
It was shining.
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Mark
That's. That's more badge than I am.
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Sarah
I got to wear it on a little land thing that went. It went across your chest and around your waist that you were over your clothes. That was reflective. Made you look really important.
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Mark
Wow.
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Sarah
I kept more kids from getting run over.
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Mark
That's good. It's a good job.
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Sarah
It's important. They've got a sketch of Haaland or Gill. One name that's a bad name.
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Mark
Yeah, it is. And the Canadian Women's Council is mentioned here, formed in October 27th, 1893. So, yes, one of the oldest advocacy organizations in Canada, Lady Aberdeen.
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Sarah
Is it like the WPA.
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Mark
Kind of was elected this president?
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Sarah
Not not the Works program administration? No, the Women's Institute. Yeah. But it's a little.
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Mark
More centered on like actually getting some rights then.
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Sarah
Gotcha. Then making.
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Mark
Institute.
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Sarah
So Scanlon says that he tracked Orgel to Canada. Yeah. We are going to spoil this, by the way. Yes. That he tracked Oracle to Canada because of one cutting from a newspaper that mentioned this Canadian women's group. And that's how he knew he was going to Canada. Yes, well, because him.
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Mark
Suppose he knew he.
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Sarah
Was going to Canada, but he's got this sketch of Orgel. Yeah, it looks to save you. He's a maniac. He's a maniac on the floor dancing like he's never danced like.
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Mark
They.
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Sarah
Should. They should have made the sketch and made him look evil. Like, give him, like, pointy eyebrows in my hair.
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Mark
He should look totally nothing like a cargo.
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Sarah
Well, but he doesn't. He doesn't look like Scanlon's. Yeah, or Gal doesn't. He's been chasing him for 14 months. Three weeks and four days. Yeah, and 2 hours and 52 minutes.
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Mark
Ugly everyday.
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Sarah
That's where Bracken.
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Mark
Says, like.
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Sarah
Oh, it's quite a while.
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Mark
And we tried to figure out what that would mean. Maybe.
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Sarah
I think it's a reference to March of 1895, which was a good six years after the last Jack the Ripper killing, but there was a murder in spittle fields in England and then that was very similar to Jack the Ripper. The M.O. was very similar. I think they're kind of winking at that, like maybe that was his first murder in England, and then he killed seven more people and then fled to Cairo and then Bombay.
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Mark
Well, wait a minute, Sarah. I have to go insane Over board game. He has a note from out of nowhere. He goes crazy. Like, as soon as that happened, every black Scotland Yard. What do you notice, dude? Because he's kind of crazy.
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Sarah
I have in my notes checkers tantrum.
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Mark
But.
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Sarah
Okay, so Scanlon is the murderer, right? He is. Or girl and he's killed 25 people now. Has not been caught. Now he killed the one detective who was actually on his trail. Yes. So if he's upset with the police for not catching him, he can't exactly blame the real Scanlon because he killed him. Well, you didn't catch me because I killed you.
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Mark
Well, and darn.
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Sarah
You, the.
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Mark
Whole idea is that he is Jekyll and Hyde, right? That he has this good personality and a bad personality. And we see some of his bad personality here, and then never again.
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Sarah
Well, he wants to be caught. He wants to be stopped. It's like killing is a compulsion and he can't help himself. So he wants somebody to catch him, but not so much that he's going to just tell them he's the killer. Right? That would be easy.
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Mark
He wants.
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Sarah
To play. So when he sees people playing checkers, he's like, Darn you, you should be trying to catch me. Yeah. Standing right here next to you.
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
But then he buys them snakes and ladders as an apology, like he broke their checkers board. But he didn't. He just dumped it on the floor. It's not.
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Mark
He just upset the table.
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Sarah
Yeah, They can still play checkers.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
Anyhow, obviously there's not much crime going on because Murdoch's building sun in a box, so.
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Mark
I'd also.
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Sarah
Be too busy.
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Mark
What are you doing, Deuce? But maybe not throw a tantrum.
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Sarah
Oh, they don't know who he is. Why would they listen to him?
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Mark
Season two City shot.
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Sarah
It's better.
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Mark
It's much better.
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Sarah
Yeah.
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Mark
It actually looks like a place. So we go see the victim's mother who had to go all the way to Coburg from Grafton. Seven and a half miles. That would have been. That's quite a bit.
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Sarah
If you have to walk. Yeah, if you're driving.
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Mark
Well in Coburg, be 25 miles I think to Toronto like probably get a train but any distance.
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Sarah
Yeah. Is long when you just found out your kids dead.
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
Right. It's really far.
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Mark
That's true.
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Sarah
But on a lighter note, Mrs. Moffet Mills is her name is played by Wendy Lyon.
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Mark
Okay.
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Sarah
Best known for her role in Hello, Mary Lou Prom night two.
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Mark
I've seen that.
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Sarah
Or she plays.
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
Not the killer, but a killer. A killer in a sequined prom dress in the eighties.
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
Yeah.
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Mark
Yes. In that movie.
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Sarah
Yeah. It's quite the quite the contrast between that role and this one prom night to murder Boogaloo.
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Mark
Murder boogaloo.
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Sarah
She admits that though Alberta's job was in a laundry, she also was a prostitute because they were very poor.
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Mark
She doesn't do that anymore.
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Sarah
Not anymore. She washes underwear for a living until late into the night. I guess she turns to the only board game I could find from the 1890s that I thought was interesting. A lot of them are very familiar and and Snakes and Ladders was actually quite old at this time, but had just been introduced in the UK to Canada.
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Sarah
Yeah, it's from India. From India and they had been around for a long time but I found one called Spirit Cans which I just think it's a great name.
00;16;09;22 - 00;16;12;06
Mark
For a name. No kids.
00;16;12;08 - 00;16;13;28
Sarah
Do you want to guess what Spill it cans.
00;16;13;28 - 00;16;22;06
Mark
Is is it like one of those games like Kerplunk where you have to like it's like a balance dexterity game?
00;16;22;06 - 00;16;24;13
Sarah
Sort of. It's pick up sticks. Yeah.
00;16;24;15 - 00;16;25;03
Mark
Yeah. Okay.
00;16;25;08 - 00;16;28;12
Sarah
So yeah, let's play game and spill again.
00;16;28;15 - 00;16;36;15
Mark
Did you know that snakes and ladders may be the origin of the phrase back to square one? No, it makes sense.
00;16;36;17 - 00;16;37;20
Sarah
It does make sense.
00;16;37;20 - 00;16;41;01
Mark
Yeah. I thought goes for it. Do you think of snakes and ladders? Have you ever.
00;16;41;01 - 00;16;43;25
Sarah
Actually I think it has no skill.
00;16;43;27 - 00;16;44;20
Mark
It has no.
00;16;44;21 - 00;16;50;22
Sarah
I've never played snakes and ladders. I have played chutes and ladders and there's no skill. So then so that annoys me.
00;16;50;22 - 00;17;00;09
Mark
This is the problem I have with this game. It is supposedly a moralistic game showing you the choices that you make that are bad.
00;17;00;13 - 00;17;01;18
Sarah
Have consequences.
00;17;01;19 - 00;17;02;18
Mark
Ruin and conflict.
00;17;02;19 - 00;17;06;23
Sarah
But you make no choices while playing. The game is just dice.
00;17;06;23 - 00;17;27;23
Mark
No choices during the game and you are really. Fate is capricious to you. And if you ever want to read the most boring paragraph ever written, there's a paragraph on the mathematics of Snakes and Ladders on the Wikipedia page. Boy, I read the whole thing.
00;17;27;25 - 00;17;28;14
Sarah
Sorry.
00;17;28;20 - 00;17;34;12
Mark
I was like, Wow. I was. I was like grasping at straws, going, There's got to be something interesting about.
00;17;34;12 - 00;17;35;00
Sarah
No.
00;17;35;06 - 00;17;38;00
Mark
No, no, not an interesting thing.
00;17;38;02 - 00;17;42;23
Sarah
It's boring. Murdoch goes for dance classes. This isn't boring.
00;17;42;23 - 00;17;44;25
Mark
Well, I have a question before this.
00;17;44;25 - 00;17;45;07
Sarah
Okay.
00;17;45;09 - 00;17;55;06
Mark
Before the dance classic, Murdoch says we're going to catch this man. Okay. I don't think Murdoch knows now, but I think he knows earlier than he lets on that.
00;17;55;06 - 00;18;03;16
Sarah
Scanlon is the killer. Yeah, okay. When we get to the point where you think he knows, you say yes, because I agree. And I wonder if it's the same point.
00;18;03;16 - 00;18;06;08
Mark
I thought that we would compare the points.
00;18;06;09 - 00;18;07;02
Sarah
Yes.
00;18;07;04 - 00;18;10;18
Mark
Okay. Like there's a point certainly of no return where he knows.
00;18;10;18 - 00;18;15;04
Sarah
Yeah, you tell me when you're standing on, alarm goes off then. Okay. And I'll tell you where mine went off.
00;18;15;10 - 00;18;17;19
Mark
Meanwhile, there's another murder while there's dance class.
00;18;17;23 - 00;18;20;02
Sarah
Led by Professor Otranto.
00;18;20;08 - 00;18;21;01
Mark
Trudell.
00;18;21;01 - 00;18;22;02
Sarah
He's a professor.
00;18;22;06 - 00;18;26;08
Mark
Yeah, I don't. He's fantastic. First of all, the actors. Fantastic.
00;18;26;09 - 00;18;32;22
Sarah
It's Conrad Dun. Yeah. He was in stripes with Bill Murray and John Candy. Oh, such is a pretty big role.
00;18;32;23 - 00;18;36;29
Mark
Such a good movie. That is problematic. It is now, yeah.
00;18;37;04 - 00;18;38;24
Sarah
Yeah.
00;18;38;26 - 00;18;52;10
Mark
But it's when you're when you're an adult and you watch a movie where Bill Murray is a layabout who can't get a job or keep a girlfriend, you're like, You're not dating my daughter.
00;18;52;13 - 00;18;57;11
Sarah
When you're younger and you're his his age. In the movie, you're like, Hey, leave a layabout.
00;18;57;11 - 00;18;59;18
Mark
He's just trying, man.
00;18;59;20 - 00;19;04;17
Sarah
But when you're older, you're like, that Damn straight, you're not dating my daughter now.
00;19;04;19 - 00;19;05;14
Mark
Right away.
00;19;05;14 - 00;19;12;29
Sarah
Easy, jerk. But professor at Toronto is like snapping his fingers like, Maria, come dance with this man.
00;19;12;29 - 00;19;15;23
Mark
Assume the position.
00;19;15;25 - 00;19;18;04
Mark
And Burke has no idea.
00;19;18;09 - 00;19;22;15
Mark
Now, Dad, I love how scenery here.
00;19;22;21 - 00;19;28;12
Sarah
We have to see how bad you are. Yeah, you know. Know how much? He's like. Oh, there's so much work.
00;19;28;16 - 00;19;34;09
Mark
Mature. But that. That was what's missing from season one.
00;19;34;09 - 00;19;45;03
Sarah
Yeah, we need that. Like comic relief in this episode because people are getting gutted and you need to giggle every once in a while.
00;19;45;03 - 00;19;48;04
Mark
You know what the problem with the second crime scene is?
00;19;48;06 - 00;19;51;12
Sarah
He apparently shows up but doesn't need to mess.
00;19;51;20 - 00;19;52;09
Mark
You forgot his.
00;19;52;10 - 00;19;53;00
Mark
Stencil.
00;19;53;04 - 00;19;58;29
Sarah
Oh, he had a free hand at the time and free in the gazebo galore.
00;19;59;00 - 00;20;01;11
Mark
Gloria Abercrombie from a Really. Yeah.
00;20;01;18 - 00;20;02;07
Mark
Mhm.
00;20;02;10 - 00;20;08;27
Mark
So she's a seamstress YMCA audibles on the prowl and he visited her.
00;20;09;03 - 00;20;13;08
Sarah
Her name should be Victoria Abercrombie or B.C..
00;20;13;11 - 00;20;15;13
Mark
British Columbia Abercrombie.
00;20;15;17 - 00;20;17;15
Sarah
It's quite the name.
00;20;17;17 - 00;20;19;06
Mark
Do you know where that comes from?
00;20;19;10 - 00;20;19;22
Sarah
No.
00;20;19;23 - 00;20;25;05
Mark
The Latin of Vivus and Seco sixtieths cut.
00;20;25;06 - 00;20;26;24
Sarah
Right or separate.
00;20;26;27 - 00;20;28;27
Mark
Yep. And you know what Vivus is.
00;20;29;00 - 00;20;29;12
Sarah
Cut.
00;20;29;19 - 00;20;30;20
Mark
Alive.
00;20;30;22 - 00;20;32;02
Sarah
Oh that's right.
00;20;32;05 - 00;20;34;00
Mark
A live cutting is.
00;20;34;03 - 00;20;49;00
Sarah
That's right because vivisection is when you because vs Yeah. So it's when you cut something apart while it's still alive. Yeah. As opposed to what's the opposite of it's not necro section it's.
00;20;49;02 - 00;20;49;13
Mark
So.
00;20;49;20 - 00;20;53;06
Mark
I don't know I'm a little grossed out by what we're done.
00;20;53;08 - 00;21;06;29
Sarah
Well when you postmortem an autopsy. Yeah. Is a neck resection. Yes, but I don't think that's the right word. It's the opposite of vivisection. I don't know. Well, Google it. You got a computer in front of you?
00;21;07;01 - 00;21;08;28
Mark
Sorry.
00;21;09;00 - 00;21;14;25
Sarah
This is behind the scenes here. I've just got paper and pencil in front of me. He's got a computer in front of him.
00;21;14;27 - 00;21;22;11
Mark
By the way. That's going to be the last thing that goes on the episode. It's just Google it. You've got a computer in front of you.
00;21;22;12 - 00;21;23;28
Sarah
Go faster, faster.
00;21;24;01 - 00;21;31;12
Mark
Get. Okay. Vivisection, antonyms. Mm hmm. Now, there's no word that's coming up is that.
00;21;31;13 - 00;21;32;29
Sarah
Somebody is going to tell us a thousand.
00;21;32;29 - 00;21;34;20
Mark
Times.
00;21;34;23 - 00;21;36;20
Sarah
Google Necro section and see if that's a.
00;21;36;20 - 00;21;38;21
Mark
Word.
00;21;38;23 - 00;21;40;27
Sarah
Because Necro is dead.
00;21;41;00 - 00;21;41;16
Mark
Be stark.
00;21;41;17 - 00;21;42;14
Sarah
But one's Latin.
00;21;42;15 - 00;21;49;20
Mark
One's glad we start another browser.
00;21;49;23 - 00;21;56;12
Sarah
See, this is this. You're. You're seeing how the sausage is made here, folks.
00;21;56;15 - 00;21;59;12
Mark
Oh.
00;21;59;14 - 00;22;03;15
Sarah
It's usually me who does it bad. Google's. Is it a word?
00;22;03;18 - 00;22;08;22
Mark
The first result is for pancreatic neck vasectomy.
00;22;08;26 - 00;22;10;17
Sarah
So. So is it a word?
00;22;10;17 - 00;22;11;04
Mark
No.
00;22;11;05 - 00;22;12;07
Sarah
Oh, okay.
00;22;12;11 - 00;22;13;00
Mark
Now.
00;22;13;06 - 00;22;13;21
Sarah
Okay.
00;22;13;24 - 00;22;19;21
Mark
Okay. Get a little throw up.
00;22;19;23 - 00;22;21;19
Sarah
We'll just call it an autopsy.
00;22;21;22 - 00;22;22;16
Mark
There we go.
00;22;22;21 - 00;22;23;06
Sarah
All right.
00;22;23;06 - 00;22;25;22
Mark
Okay. I have a gigantic problem.
00;22;25;22 - 00;22;28;10
Sarah
Hey, Julia has a goldfish. Okay? Is that.
00;22;28;10 - 00;22;30;16
Mark
Better? No. Does that help? No, She's.
00;22;30;16 - 00;22;31;01
Sarah
A goldfish.
00;22;31;01 - 00;22;36;29
Mark
Because of what she says. Just bothers me. What? That her hymens intact?
00;22;37;04 - 00;22;41;05
Sarah
It bothers Murdoch, too. And it shouldn't bother either of you because it's just a fact.
00;22;41;12 - 00;22;51;17
Mark
No, it does. What? What bothers me is I don't like any notions of virginity because I see it as a social contract.
00;22;51;20 - 00;22;59;23
Sarah
But it's evidence she hasn't been raped yet. That's why she's mentioning it. And see, really the only evidence other than additional things that she could find.
00;22;59;24 - 00;23;01;06
Mark
Yeah, but it's just.
00;23;01;09 - 00;23;02;08
Sarah
She's I don't think.
00;23;02;13 - 00;23;05;16
Mark
You I don't think in 2023 they would say that.
00;23;05;19 - 00;23;06;18
Sarah
Oh I think they would.
00;23;06;19 - 00;23;07;24
Mark
No, I don't think so.
00;23;07;25 - 00;23;12;17
Sarah
Yeah. No, unfortunately I was trying to lighten the mood here. Oh get section.
00;23;12;20 - 00;23;13;19
Mark
Goldfish.
00;23;13;22 - 00;23;21;28
Sarah
There's a goldfish in the morgue and we get a nice little shot of it. Living thing. Yeah. You're staying out in the morgue, along with the record playing.
00;23;21;28 - 00;23;30;24
Mark
So we forgot to mention, in all the things we mentioned last week about how great this episode. Dr. Robert Doctor Roberts, he goes up.
00;23;30;27 - 00;23;32;08
Sarah
He's an alienist.
00;23;32;08 - 00;23;34;15
Mark
He is. He is fantastic.
00;23;34;15 - 00;23;36;13
Sarah
So who Radical?
00;23;36;15 - 00;23;38;15
Mark
Yes, he's. He's too radical.
00;23;38;15 - 00;23;42;11
Sarah
He's so radical. He grabs women and steam baths by the chin.
00;23;42;11 - 00;23;44;19
Mark
Oh, get there with it.
00;23;44;22 - 00;23;45;28
Sarah
He got a clipboard.
00;23;45;28 - 00;23;49;19
Mark
We have to deal with the over this dead body. I'd like to ask you out.
00;23;49;21 - 00;24;05;22
Sarah
Oh, he. He's so Scanlan is so rude to Julia. He's having a little tantrum again. Yeah, but it's not like hour. I know, I know, I know. And she's like, Okay, I'm not even trying to argue with you. Yeah, I ever did.
00;24;05;22 - 00;24;10;10
Mark
So we go to the doctor. Robert's place of business.
00;24;10;16 - 00;24;11;05
Mark
Hmm.
00;24;11;10 - 00;24;12;23
Sarah
And the incurable.
00;24;12;25 - 00;24;14;24
Mark
The hydrotherapy area.
00;24;14;26 - 00;24;15;12
Sarah
Mm hmm.
00;24;15;19 - 00;24;21;05
Mark
And the notion of incurable goes completely against what he is doing.
00;24;21;12 - 00;24;23;29
Sarah
Yeah, because he thinks they can be cured.
00;24;23;29 - 00;24;25;20
Mark
And that is the whole.
00;24;25;24 - 00;24;27;05
Sarah
That's the rational thing.
00;24;27;06 - 00;24;35;18
Mark
The whole alienist mentality is that mental. That mental health can be fixed and improved.
00;24;35;21 - 00;24;47;13
Sarah
And has a cause. Yeah, that's the key. Cause that can be remedied. Yes. Versus you're just broken. Yes. You're hysterical. Yes. Notice it's a lot of women in these tubs.
00;24;47;15 - 00;24;48;24
Mark
Oh, my gosh.
00;24;48;27 - 00;24;54;10
Sarah
You're hysterical. And you can't help it because it's just how you're made.
00;24;54;10 - 00;24;56;15
Mark
He just grabs that woman by her.
00;24;56;17 - 00;25;01;02
Sarah
She's got a long neck to begin with and he's like, Stretch Armstrong, rubber neck.
00;25;01;02 - 00;25;04;00
Mark
And he's like, giraffe lady, get over here.
00;25;04;00 - 00;25;16;08
Sarah
You're alive. Check. Next. She looks like she's having a seizure. He doesn't care about that. He's like, check. You're laced into your bathtub. Nice. Yeah, I. Oh, it does look kind of pleasant, though. Yeah, it looks like it.
00;25;16;08 - 00;25;17;02
Mark
Was nice.
00;25;17;04 - 00;25;23;11
Sarah
Pulling. I don't want anybody coming along and yanking my head, but, yeah, I think laying in a hot tub would feel kind of nice.
00;25;23;15 - 00;25;25;28
Mark
I guess so. But still, it's mysterious.
00;25;26;01 - 00;25;34;20
Sarah
It's probably. Yeah. And then we find out that the carriage that has picked these women up before they were murdered was stolen.
00;25;34;25 - 00;25;36;08
Mark
Yeah, Some tampons.
00;25;36;13 - 00;25;39;29
Mark
And they find it. And I need my son in the box.
00;25;40;03 - 00;25;45;00
Sarah
Get the son in a box and a dark barn. It's a police barn, apparently.
00;25;45;05 - 00;25;51;00
Mark
Yes. So he mentions Mr. Woods and Mitt here. Right. So I did some research on in.
00;25;51;00 - 00;25;53;13
Sarah
What and what context.
00;25;53;16 - 00;25;54;05
Mark
That he.
00;25;54;05 - 00;25;55;12
Sarah
Murdoch mentions them. Yeah.
00;25;55;12 - 00;26;21;18
Mark
He contacted Mr. Woods at MIT about his stuff in a box. Okay. There is light in a box. Absolutely true. Robert W Wood would have been. He was at Harvard and MIT at this time super smart dude. He worked with ultraviolet light and supersonic waves. First guy to take a picture of a soundwave dude. Super interesting guy in some respects.
00;26;21;18 - 00;26;25;12
Mark
Other than that, boring is all boring. No crazy ideas.
00;26;25;12 - 00;26;27;27
Sarah
No, just sound science.
00;26;27;27 - 00;26;37;28
Mark
And when he was in undergrad and married her and stayed with her for his entire life, died in his sleep of No, not of no, no, no.
00;26;37;28 - 00;26;41;23
Sarah
This and took Murdoch's calls apparently about the son in the box.
00;26;41;23 - 00;26;44;20
Mark
Just the most boring human being. No, that's.
00;26;44;20 - 00;26;45;07
Sarah
Okay.
00;26;45;10 - 00;26;46;14
Mark
Yeah, he.
00;26;46;16 - 00;26;52;24
Sarah
Came up with some good stuff. Yes. I see you busy doing solid science to be dramatic.
00;26;52;24 - 00;26;56;22
Mark
And speaking of solids science, what kind of maniac am I?
00;26;56;22 - 00;26;58;04
Sarah
I, I don't know.
00;26;58;04 - 00;27;05;10
Mark
I'm the kind of maniac who pauses and looks at the map to make sure all the streets are labeled correctly.
00;27;05;12 - 00;27;11;25
Sarah
And that doesn't make you a maniac. That makes you a nerd.
00;27;11;27 - 00;27;16;21
Mark
What they don't have, which I wish they did. Okay, so this is because.
00;27;16;27 - 00;27;25;12
Sarah
Because Murdoch has drawn the street plan on the chalkboard to show where the women were leaving from, where their bodies were found.
00;27;25;12 - 00;27;34;17
Mark
This is right downtown Toronto, west of University. I know exactly where this is because I used to work and live in this neighborhood.
00;27;34;17 - 00;27;36;14
Sarah
Maybe you're a suspect.
00;27;36;16 - 00;27;51;02
Mark
Maybe. But what they missed out on is there is John Street. It doesn't go far enough north to be Queen Street, which is unfortunate because the headquarters of the people making this show at this point in time, the right queen and.
00;27;51;02 - 00;27;54;13
Sarah
John Park, north of them, where the map stops. Yeah.
00;27;54;16 - 00;27;57;06
Mark
They should have had a little ax or something.
00;27;57;09 - 00;27;58;08
Sarah
That would have been clever.
00;27;58;08 - 00;28;01;14
Mark
As a little, you know, hint to it.
00;28;01;14 - 00;28;23;24
Sarah
But and they talk. So this is when they really talk about Jack the Ripper. Yes. And whether or Gill could be Jack the Ripper and he's clearly he's not. And they talk about how there were other well-established suspects at the time, but none of them were proven guilty. And they talk about Dr. Thomas Cream, who was Canadian, right?
00;28;23;24 - 00;28;25;27
Sarah
Yes. But he was executed.
00;28;26;03 - 00;28;31;13
Mark
He was executed, but he was in prison there in Illinois at the time of the Ripper. Murders.
00;28;31;17 - 00;28;32;21
Sarah
For what?
00;28;32;24 - 00;28;36;17
Mark
For trying to kill women. Oh, he was a poisoner also.
00;28;36;17 - 00;28;40;17
Sarah
Okay. Now, why did they think that he could be Jack the Ripper then?
00;28;40;17 - 00;28;46;11
Mark
Just because when he was executed, he said, I'm Jack the Oh.
00;28;46;13 - 00;28;47;15
Sarah
And then dropped.
00;28;47;15 - 00;28;55;06
Mark
Yes. Which is apocryphal. He didn't actually say it, but it was widely reported that he said that.
00;28;55;08 - 00;28;58;22
Sarah
Now this has got me thinking of all the awful things you did there.
00;28;58;22 - 00;29;00;22
Mark
Baker Yeah, well.
00;29;00;25 - 00;29;07;22
Sarah
There's all the awful things you could kind of say, Like there's another body. You'll never find it. Yeah. Yeah.
00;29;07;24 - 00;29;11;01
Mark
My $1 million is located.
00;29;11;03 - 00;29;12;24
Sarah
On something like that.
00;29;12;27 - 00;29;20;12
Mark
A couple of things. So. So they go over some popular theories about Jack the Ripper here. Yeah. Do you have a theory about Jack the Ripper?
00;29;20;18 - 00;29;21;01
Sarah
No.
00;29;21;08 - 00;29;29;15
Mark
You don't have any here. No, I. I may have been a bit of a Jack the Ripper person for a while and it would have been the early.
00;29;29;16 - 00;29;33;29
Sarah
I mean, I'm aware of the predominant theories, but I don't have a favorite of those.
00;29;33;29 - 00;29;40;15
Mark
In the early 2000, there was a comic book that came out called From Hell that Alan Moore wrote and was.
00;29;40;15 - 00;29;42;18
Sarah
Later made into Andy Card. Johnny Depp. Yes.
00;29;42;18 - 00;29;51;21
Mark
Eddie Campbell did the art, the the book. The comic is completely different than the movie, except for Dull is the the culprit in both case.
00;29;51;21 - 00;29;55;01
Sarah
And both are very, very bloody.
00;29;55;03 - 00;30;04;22
Mark
Yeah, incredibly, very gory and it is amazing what that story will do to people who try to delve into it and figure out who.
00;30;04;23 - 00;30;06;16
Sarah
There are still new books coming out.
00;30;06;16 - 00;30;07;27
Mark
Yeah, absolutely.
00;30;07;28 - 00;30;10;20
Sarah
With supposedly new evidence.
00;30;10;22 - 00;30;24;02
Mark
Yeah. We've watched another television show within the last five years in which Thomas Green appears, you know, looking at me like, What are you talking about? I am in river, which has scars guarding it. The oldest scars guard in it.
00;30;24;03 - 00;30;24;23
Sarah
Yeah.
00;30;24;25 - 00;30;26;23
Mark
Where he sees dead people.
00;30;26;23 - 00;30;27;05
Sarah
Yeah.
00;30;27;05 - 00;30;30;00
Mark
One of the dead people he sees is River.
00;30;30;00 - 00;30;31;15
Sarah
Is Dr. Thomas Crane.
00;30;31;15 - 00;30;32;02
Mark
Is Dr..
00;30;32;02 - 00;30;36;21
Sarah
Thomas. That's a really good show. If you guys haven't watched River watch it, it's really good.
00;30;36;21 - 00;30;42;23
Mark
And actually, he is played by a well-known guy, Eddie Marsan, who was.
00;30;42;26 - 00;30;48;17
Sarah
Wasn't he just in that that show about the guy who faked his death in a and a canoe? It was the truth.
00;30;48;18 - 00;30;59;07
Mark
The man hit his wife in a canoe. He also plays Lestrade in the Sherlock Holmes with Iron Man, and he's been in a million things.
00;30;59;07 - 00;31;04;29
Sarah
So long story short. ROBERTS Doctor Roberts basically comes up with a profile.
00;31;05;02 - 00;31;08;24
Mark
Yes. Did you read his report? No, I did.
00;31;08;27 - 00;31;16;28
Sarah
Of course you did. See, I don't because I know you're going to I know you're going to posit and you're going to put your face right up to your screen and read every word.
00;31;17;00 - 00;31;17;22
Mark
I may have done.
00;31;17;22 - 00;31;19;11
Sarah
Just that, so I don't bother.
00;31;19;13 - 00;31;23;16
Mark
His report is titled Hooray for This Report.
00;31;23;18 - 00;31;25;01
Sarah
Oh, that's a good name for it.
00;31;25;01 - 00;31;39;00
Mark
Yes, it's for Inspector. It's for Murdoch. Detective Murdoch. It has the date on it. May 17th, 1896, which is why we know the date it's labeled report. And basically says exactly what his lines are in the previous scene.
00;31;39;01 - 00;31;44;02
Sarah
Oh, well, that's good. Yes. So you can look at it and, you know, not have to memorize this line.
00;31;44;04 - 00;31;45;13
Mark
You just read it.
00;31;45;15 - 00;32;01;01
Sarah
I guess ultimately the whole idea is a Jekyll and Hyde is that this killer has a dark side and a light side, and that his dark side is the killer and his light side wants him to be caught. And but again, most likely not so much that he's going to just confess.
00;32;01;01 - 00;32;04;06
Mark
Is some sort of maternal or sisterly abuse.
00;32;04;06 - 00;32;08;02
Sarah
His mommy was mean to him or something anyway. So now.
00;32;08;05 - 00;32;09;25
Mark
He has to tell eight women he.
00;32;09;25 - 00;32;16;10
Sarah
Has to vivisection eight women because he's so into snakes and ladders and there's eight snakes.
00;32;16;17 - 00;32;21;03
Mark
I guess, to get there.
00;32;21;06 - 00;32;21;25
Mark
Yes.
00;32;21;27 - 00;32;24;27
Sarah
So now, if I wanted to get under your skin, all I have to do is say vivisection.
00;32;24;27 - 00;32;25;22
Mark
No, no, no, no.
00;32;25;24 - 00;32;28;14
Sarah
For me, it's moist. Yeah, I hate that word.
00;32;28;20 - 00;32;30;28
Mark
Round up the sexual deviant.
00;32;31;01 - 00;32;34;03
Sarah
Moist vivisection. Yeah. Oh.
00;32;34;06 - 00;32;38;25
Mark
Okay. So dance class number two includes Julia and ass grabbing.
00;32;38;28 - 00;32;41;10
Sarah
Yeah, well, they almost fall down.
00;32;41;13 - 00;32;44;29
Mark
Oh, look, we can flirt at dance class now instead of over dead body.
00;32;44;29 - 00;32;54;01
Sarah
But the only time that they actually dance well is when they're talking about murders. Then they. Their mind is not on their feet and they're able to actually dance.
00;32;54;04 - 00;32;54;23
Mark
Yes.
00;32;54;25 - 00;33;05;25
Sarah
This is going to make the wedding really awkward. We can't dance unless we're talking about dead people. Let's go to the club, Julia. We can figure out who did it.
00;33;05;25 - 00;33;23;20
Mark
Helene, Joy does a really good job of acting here. She. She knows that Murdock is uncomfortable and is trying to make him comfortable. And then he's like, Can we talk about the case? And she's like, Okay, this is going to make him more comfortable, and maybe he won't grab my ass as much.
00;33;23;26 - 00;33;25;05
Sarah
Or stomp my feet.
00;33;25;07 - 00;33;30;10
Mark
Or stomp on my feet. So let's talk about it and they do a great job.
00;33;30;12 - 00;33;37;14
Sarah
Well, she's also interested to test thinks about. Meanwhile, BRAC and Reid and Scanlan are at the pub. Yes.
00;33;37;19 - 00;33;40;28
Mark
And forget about poverty and dirt war and BRAC.
00;33;40;28 - 00;33;46;22
Sarah
And Reid says that he has family back at home that he misses, including his parents and brother.
00;33;46;22 - 00;33;52;02
Mark
He does. So Bracken Reid's brother, What do you think? Older brother?
00;33;52;03 - 00;33;53;19
Sarah
We never meet and we don't know.
00;33;53;19 - 00;33;54;19
Mark
No, we don't know.
00;33;54;22 - 00;33;59;09
Sarah
I think his brother is older and bigger and rougher.
00;33;59;13 - 00;34;03;17
Mark
You see, I think his brother's younger brother exactly like Crabtree here.
00;34;03;17 - 00;34;06;21
Sarah
But he's got a little nerd brother.
00;34;06;27 - 00;34;14;25
Mark
Well, what happens if it if it's Timmy, if it's a twin brother, there's two Bracken Stanton type.
00;34;15;00 - 00;34;21;11
Sarah
There's a plot. Hey, writers, if you hear this and you decide to write an evil twin to Bracken read, we get credit.
00;34;21;11 - 00;34;24;01
Mark
Yeah.
00;34;24;03 - 00;34;28;22
Sarah
He's got to have a pointy mustache, you know, and, like, darker eyebrows or something.
00;34;28;26 - 00;34;42;03
Mark
And we're going to get to this at the end. But Scanlon's like, here is a gigantic clue of how to catch me. Yeah, I'm like, I think Murdoch may know then.
00;34;42;06 - 00;34;50;18
Sarah
Okay. You think when Scanlon mentions that she stayed at the W YWCA? Yeah, that that is him. That Murdoch is like, ha.
00;34;50;21 - 00;34;59;11
Mark
No, Murdoch. I think Murdoch is like, that's a weird thing to say and I'm going to have some suspicions about you. Now.
00;34;59;11 - 00;35;17;00
Sarah
See, I interpreted that as, Oh, I hadn't thought about that. That's good detective insight. I'm going to do I'm going to act on that information. So that's interesting. Well, they get a false suspect. Poor Maurice Bailey is just a peeping Tom. He just likes to look at the ladies. He doesn't do anything to them.
00;35;17;00 - 00;35;23;26
Mark
So. Okay, so he's know he he deep and he he plays with himself.
00;35;23;28 - 00;35;25;04
Sarah
On his own.
00;35;25;04 - 00;35;32;17
Mark
Organism. This guy is a great actor. He shows up, eats the scenery for two scenes, and then is out.
00;35;32;22 - 00;35;35;18
Sarah
Well, he does take Henry hostage in the.
00;35;35;18 - 00;35;38;23
Mark
Cell, and.
00;35;38;23 - 00;35;42;02
Sarah
Then Scanlon conveniently shoots him in the back.
00;35;42;07 - 00;35;44;18
Mark
I'm not hanging for those whores.
00;35;44;20 - 00;35;54;12
Sarah
No, Bay, you're going to die in the cell for them instead, like. Well, how convenient that you. You kill the suspect. Well, I guess that's all wrapped up. Yep.
00;35;54;12 - 00;35;55;23
Mark
But Murdock's not happy.
00;35;55;25 - 00;36;01;22
Sarah
Well, what did Scanlon think was going to happen now? Was he just going to stick around and kill more people, or was he going to leave?
00;36;01;22 - 00;36;13;28
Mark
What Scanlon thought, As I mentioned, we'll cover the scene totally. Like, what is his plan of action? What is his end game? What is There's so many problems here.
00;36;14;01 - 00;36;24;23
Sarah
So Maurice is a suspect because he's caught looking into women's windows? Yeah, he's a voyeur. A criminal voyeur? Yes, he's a peeping Tom. They used to call them.
00;36;24;23 - 00;36;29;07
Mark
And he. He is committing crimes. Yes. No one. He observed.
00;36;29;07 - 00;36;30;04
Sarah
An image that.
00;36;30;05 - 00;36;30;27
Mark
Would be observed.
00;36;30;27 - 00;36;35;21
Sarah
And he admits that. He says, that's what I'm guilty of. Do you know why they were called Peeping Tom?
00;36;35;21 - 00;36;42;20
Mark
No. Why were. Well, I think it has to do with someone who looked at Lady Godiva.
00;36;42;20 - 00;36;44;27
Sarah
Yes, that's exactly it.
00;36;44;27 - 00;36;45;21
Mark
Yeah.
00;36;45;24 - 00;36;51;23
Sarah
So Lady Godiva was the wife of Earl or a Duke or something in this.
00;36;51;23 - 00;36;52;11
Mark
Country.
00;36;52;13 - 00;37;07;04
Sarah
Who was overtaxing the people. And she wanted him to lower the taxes and he was a jerk. And he said, I'll lower the taxes if you ride through town naked on a horse. Yeah. And so she put out an edict and said, Everybody stay inside, close your windows.
00;37;07;07 - 00;37;07;20
Mark
I'm going.
00;37;07;20 - 00;37;09;24
Sarah
To walk, I'm going to do this, but please don't look.
00;37;09;29 - 00;37;12;22
Mark
And they were supportive of her. She says, Oh.
00;37;12;28 - 00;37;23;11
Sarah
Yeah, it's heroic that she's basically doing this ride of shame because her her husband is such a tyrant and Tom is the only one who looked.
00;37;23;13 - 00;37;25;08
Mark
Yeah, he gets an eyeful too.
00;37;25;10 - 00;37;25;21
Sarah
On.
00;37;25;23 - 00;37;26;09
Mark
The horse.
00;37;26;09 - 00;37;31;22
Sarah
They're on Wikipedia. They call it the most infamous instance of voyeurism.
00;37;31;24 - 00;37;32;28
Mark
Yeah.
00;37;33;01 - 00;37;44;15
Sarah
Peeping Tom. So, yeah, Bailey takes Henry hostage. She's going to kill him. And then Scanlon just boom. And then ask Julia out for a date. And she's like, I got work to do.
00;37;44;16 - 00;37;47;01
Mark
And I didn't like Myrtle.
00;37;47;03 - 00;37;52;22
Sarah
So you're creepy, And you yelled at me over a body earlier, so, no, I don't want to go out.
00;37;52;22 - 00;37;56;03
Mark
I have to wash my hair. I mean, a body.
00;37;56;05 - 00;38;04;03
Sarah
She writes in her record books with not a quill pen, but close to it. Yeah, it's a dip.
00;38;04;09 - 00;38;05;02
Mark
It's a dip.
00;38;05;04 - 00;38;10;26
Sarah
And I don't know why. Because bald points existed already. Never mind fountain pens. It had internal ink.
00;38;10;28 - 00;38;15;13
Mark
Yeah. I don't know why she does. That's really what out a fountain pen, old.
00;38;15;15 - 00;38;16;04
Sarah
School mess.
00;38;16;06 - 00;38;20;01
Mark
George is like. Total fountain pen that later on. Yeah, but.
00;38;20;04 - 00;38;21;20
Sarah
Then there's a fingerprint montage.
00;38;21;28 - 00;38;28;08
Mark
Yes. And he goes to well before the fingerprint montage, he goes the way.
00;38;28;11 - 00;38;34;00
Sarah
Murdoch does and finds out that some policemen came and looked at their records. Yeah, this is where I think he knows.
00;38;34;03 - 00;38;35;07
Mark
First, Toronto.
00;38;35;07 - 00;38;36;06
Sarah
Puts the connection together.
00;38;36;11 - 00;38;40;27
Mark
YWCA is 1873, so totally would have happened.
00;38;41;04 - 00;38;44;25
Sarah
So you think he knows it? Scanlon earlier than this. This is where I think he knows.
00;38;44;25 - 00;38;53;11
Mark
I think when she says one of your men, we're already here. And he says, What did they look like? He's confirming that it's. SCANLON Okay.
00;38;53;15 - 00;38;54;27
Sarah
So you think he already suspects?
00;38;54;27 - 00;38;56;18
Mark
I think he already suspects.
00;38;56;20 - 00;38;58;22
Sarah
Well, the real Scanlon died in Cairo.
00;38;58;24 - 00;39;06;28
Mark
Yes. We got a telegram from the yard. Okay. This is an instantaneous telegram. Like, why did it take five days to get there?
00;39;06;28 - 00;39;18;18
Sarah
They didn't ask. They took him at his word that he was who he says he was. He probably had some ID, he had a badge. Just didn't have his picture on it. Mister, he's a maniac. Don't trust him by the picture.
00;39;18;21 - 00;39;22;25
Mark
You're frightening me. Many times. Julia, get attacked in the morgue.
00;39;22;27 - 00;39;24;23
Sarah
Quite a few. But I think this is the first one.
00;39;24;23 - 00;39;26;08
Mark
I'm thinking maybe 15.
00;39;26;11 - 00;39;27;12
Mark
She is.
00;39;27;18 - 00;39;29;27
Sarah
She's really traumatized by this stone.
00;39;29;28 - 00;39;31;06
Mark
As she should be.
00;39;31;06 - 00;39;36;02
Sarah
And he's not dead. No, he's got big scissors in his chest.
00;39;36;02 - 00;39;37;01
Mark
Yeah. What?
00;39;37;01 - 00;39;46;00
Sarah
I'd like me to attack her in the morgue in the first place with his tiny little knife. Yeah. When she's got, like, saws and scalpels and great big blades.
00;39;46;05 - 00;39;47;26
Mark
And this. This is a trope.
00;39;48;01 - 00;39;49;25
Mark
This is section two, Jake.
00;39;49;25 - 00;39;58;00
Mark
It's reversed so many times in Murdoch. It becomes a reverse trope. Okay, so the trope is Julie is in trouble, so we.
00;39;58;00 - 00;40;00;13
Mark
Have to go save her. Oh, we saved.
00;40;00;13 - 00;40;04;01
Mark
You while she was in trouble. Right? Okay, Julie.
00;40;04;01 - 00;40;04;21
Sarah
I can usually.
00;40;04;28 - 00;40;21;06
Mark
This is the princess in. Yeah, in In Peril myth. Yeah, right. So in this show, particularly Murdoch, they flip this around like in midsummer, Joy sometimes gets in trouble, and she needs help.
00;40;21;09 - 00;40;24;26
Sarah
Jean legitimately needs to be saved. Rescued? Yeah.
00;40;24;28 - 00;40;31;20
Mark
Julie, It's never like that. She kills multiple people in the morgue.
00;40;31;20 - 00;40;32;14
Mark
Yeah.
00;40;32;17 - 00;40;36;14
Sarah
Never mind out of the morgue. Shotguns.
00;40;36;16 - 00;40;37;25
Mark
Bow and arrow. Yeah.
00;40;37;28 - 00;40;39;29
Sarah
Like she can take care of herself.
00;40;39;29 - 00;40;40;18
Mark
She is, but.
00;40;40;19 - 00;40;44;02
Sarah
This is the first time it happens, and she's really upset.
00;40;44;02 - 00;40;51;05
Mark
She as she should be. She's like, I need to go home. And like, Murdock's like, No, this is.
00;40;51;07 - 00;40;52;05
Sarah
I'm going to take you home.
00;40;52;05 - 00;40;58;22
Mark
Yeah, I'm going to take you home and put my head on your ass and go down.
00;40;58;25 - 00;41;01;08
Mark
He's not like that.
00;41;01;10 - 00;41;03;24
Sarah
But I just have Poor Julia.
00;41;03;28 - 00;41;04;16
Mark
Yeah.
00;41;04;18 - 00;41;07;06
Sarah
I think he wanted to be killed, though. He said thank you.
00;41;07;07 - 00;41;11;00
Mark
Do you think they go to to dance class the same night. Yeah.
00;41;11;06 - 00;41;16;04
Sarah
Okay. Because he's. He says to Professor Otranto something happened at work today.
00;41;16;07 - 00;41;25;19
Mark
Yeah he does. And she says, and this is where I think this acknowledgment of trauma is good. Where she goes, I'd really like to be held right now.
00;41;25;20 - 00;41;31;19
Sarah
Tonight, more than any night. I would very much like to be held. Yes, but you've skipped a really important scene.
00;41;31;19 - 00;41;32;15
Mark
What did we skip?
00;41;32;21 - 00;41;35;20
Sarah
Murdoch returns to the incurable asylum.
00;41;35;20 - 00;41;36;03
Mark
Yes.
00;41;36;03 - 00;41;39;11
Sarah
To tell Dr. Roberts that his profile was correct.
00;41;39;11 - 00;41;39;26
Mark
Yes.
00;41;40;01 - 00;41;45;01
Sarah
And we get to see the best character in the episode.
00;41;45;03 - 00;41;46;12
Mark
Oh, my God.
00;41;46;15 - 00;41;54;15
Sarah
He gets a microsecond of full screen. There is a kid at the asylum who.
00;41;54;17 - 00;41;55;25
Mark
I help with.
00;41;55;26 - 00;42;03;26
Sarah
His hair. I don't know if his hair is making him crazy or if he's crazy. So he has that hair, but he's just standing there grinning like an idiot.
00;42;04;00 - 00;42;08;05
Mark
He is clearly placed in this episode for mania. Ecstasy.
00;42;08;05 - 00;42;13;15
Sarah
Yes, we have a screenshot of him. I challenge people to notice him if he's.
00;42;13;17 - 00;42;16;03
Mark
Got to be the sun or if.
00;42;16;03 - 00;42;16;16
Sarah
You boil.
00;42;16;17 - 00;42;16;29
Mark
Some.
00;42;16;29 - 00;42;17;29
Sarah
You will miss him.
00;42;17;29 - 00;42;20;22
Mark
Relative of somebody in the crew.
00;42;20;22 - 00;42;21;05
Sarah
Yes.
00;42;21;12 - 00;42;24;13
Mark
He's a big giant Encino man hair.
00;42;24;15 - 00;42;26;00
Sarah
It looks like Pauly Shore.
00;42;26;04 - 00;42;34;01
Mark
You look like some nineties. Lola puts the loser fans reject.
00;42;34;03 - 00;42;36;14
Sarah
Wait, just standing there grinning like.
00;42;36;15 - 00;42;39;26
Mark
Grinning like a crazy person. That's a crazy person.
00;42;39;26 - 00;42;44;12
Mark
How is this bad wig? Part of my treatment, Doc?
00;42;44;17 - 00;42;45;29
Mark
Do you think it's a wig or do you think it's.
00;42;45;29 - 00;42;46;29
Sarah
I think it's a wig.
00;42;46;29 - 00;42;49;19
Mark
I think it's a wig. Do you had to get dressed?
00;42;49;19 - 00;42;56;28
Sarah
Unless they just. The casting director just happened to see this kid with this hair. And I was like, I got a part for you guys.
00;42;57;00 - 00;42;59;00
Mark
Come here. Come here, kid.
00;42;59;02 - 00;43;05;11
Sarah
Your hair has earned you a pardon not to stand here and grin. Okay? Yeah, I'll be fine.
00;43;05;14 - 00;43;12;26
Mark
I want you all when you watch this. If you even watch this again to point out your television and scream Encino man.
00;43;12;26 - 00;43;16;22
Mark
Yeah.
00;43;16;25 - 00;43;18;06
Sarah
Miller That crazy house?
00;43;18;06 - 00;43;21;02
Mark
No kook.
00;43;21;09 - 00;43;32;26
Mark
Well, this is not the end of Dr. Roberts. One of our favorite characters, who they do a very good job of going, okay, he's a good character, and we're not going to put him in every episode ever again. Yeah, they do a good job of that.
00;43;32;26 - 00;43;42;12
Sarah
So they theorize that I'm just going to call on Scanlon that Scanlon kills eight people because they're eight snakes and snakes and ladders.
00;43;42;12 - 00;43;48;18
Mark
But they leave it open. And I don't like that, but I don't like Scanlon is a killer. The whole thing.
00;43;48;19 - 00;43;49;05
Sarah
Yeah.
00;43;49;05 - 00;43;50;14
Mark
What is is inciting.
00;43;50;14 - 00;43;53;27
Sarah
What we know nothing about or. Yeah, who he really is. What's.
00;43;53;29 - 00;44;18;24
Mark
What is his inciting incident? What is the reason he comes to Toronto? Why does he like if he's going to shoot that guy and he knows he's going to kill six more other women, why does he kill him? Like, why not let him rot in prison? And I just he's he is a great, goofy character. But if you take 10 seconds, it makes no sense.
00;44;19;01 - 00;44;20;21
Sarah
Well, I can answer part of that.
00;44;20;23 - 00;44;21;06
Mark
Okay.
00;44;21;13 - 00;44;27;17
Sarah
The reason that he comes to Toronto is that he has heard of Murdoch and he thinks Murdoch can catch.
00;44;27;17 - 00;44;30;00
Mark
I think that's the most likely.
00;44;30;00 - 00;44;50;13
Sarah
Suggestion and that's why he pretends to be a policeman to insinuate himself into the case, because the closer he is to Murdoch, the more likely Murdoch is to catch him. But he's Looney Tunes, so he can't just confess and be caught. Yeah, but he wants to be quiet, right? So he wants to be close to the investigation so that he can get caught.
00;44;50;15 - 00;44;53;22
Sarah
If so, it's flattering to Murdoch that he came all the way from Auckland.
00;44;53;22 - 00;44;58;01
Mark
If Doyle knows about Murdoch, then he would certainly know about murder.
00;44;58;01 - 00;45;02;01
Sarah
Yeah, I think it would take like two months to sail from Auckland.
00;45;02;01 - 00;45;05;25
Mark
I would say so. And he cannot kill somebody on the boat. He gets bored.
00;45;05;25 - 00;45;07;03
Sarah
Yeah. When you.
00;45;07;05 - 00;45;08;00
Mark
If you're a.
00;45;08;02 - 00;45;11;17
Sarah
I mean just going from London to Cairo I think he'd probably want to kill.
00;45;11;19 - 00;45;13;11
Mark
If you're a maniac killer.
00;45;13;13 - 00;45;16;09
Sarah
But you can't kill eight people on a boat. And no.
00;45;16;11 - 00;45;18;08
Mark
People are going to notice that.
00;45;18;11 - 00;45;20;11
Sarah
Maybe nobody would play snakes and ladders with.
00;45;20;12 - 00;45;20;29
Mark
Him.
00;45;21;02 - 00;45;27;26
Sarah
But says he's obsessed with it. I'm like, Are you playing it all by yourself? Yeah. Is that it? You're playing it against your side.
00;45;27;26 - 00;45;33;29
Mark
He gets at the game. I'm like, You regret the dice, not the game.
00;45;34;01 - 00;45;46;19
Sarah
Just be glad it was there. There. There's so many other board games. He could have been obsessed with that would have been so much worse. If he was obsessed with chess, he would be like killing royal families, I guess.
00;45;46;19 - 00;45;48;18
Mark
Maybe I hate.
00;45;48;18 - 00;45;50;10
Mark
Castles. Yes.
00;45;50;13 - 00;46;02;20
Sarah
Or if he wants to the monopoly be killing people who lived on third streets like he would have all these street of all these cities to go. Which one has a boardwalk where I can go.
00;46;02;23 - 00;46;05;05
Mark
That makes a little more sense.
00;46;05;07 - 00;46;14;14
Sarah
And be like ABC murders like yeah Agatha Christie. And the best one I thought of though was sorry that would be.
00;46;14;16 - 00;46;17;00
Mark
That's the most anything.
00;46;17;02 - 00;46;17;14
Mark
Like.
00;46;17;17 - 00;46;19;01
Sarah
I kill. Sorry, sorry.
00;46;19;04 - 00;46;24;04
Mark
Sorry, sorry, sorry I.
00;46;24;07 - 00;46;33;11
Mark
I have to tell you I played. Sorry Maybe twice. My parents bought it for me. I played it maybe twice, and I just didn't like it. And I remember.
00;46;33;13 - 00;46;37;16
Sarah
You don't like being kid anybody. So even if you get to say sorry.
00;46;37;16 - 00;46;45;21
Mark
So I have two brothers and two sisters, but they are much older than me, so I was left alone as a child. A lot of.
00;46;45;21 - 00;46;47;19
Sarah
Did you play Sorry against yourself?
00;46;47;21 - 00;46;50;21
Mark
Played.
00;46;50;24 - 00;47;07;08
Mark
So I never like like I had especially special rule when I played myself. The whole idea of stories. If you land a token on another player's tokens space.
00;47;07;08 - 00;47;10;04
Sarah
It's like a race game to say sorry, but you can.
00;47;10;10 - 00;47;12;03
Mark
Send them home. Yeah, but.
00;47;12;03 - 00;47;14;05
Sarah
My research was.
00;47;14;07 - 00;47;15;11
Mark
That didn't count.
00;47;15;11 - 00;47;19;05
Mark
When I was playing.
00;47;19;07 - 00;47;31;21
Sarah
You never set yourself back to the beginning that you. I thought your house rule was going to be if you could. You had to. You have to send yourself back.
00;47;31;21 - 00;47;32;04
Mark
Know.
00;47;32;04 - 00;47;34;14
Sarah
Even if it's just you playing against yourself.
00;47;34;16 - 00;47;36;02
Mark
No, I didn't like that.
00;47;36;03 - 00;47;45;05
Sarah
I'm not sorry. Sorry. I can't send you back to the beginning like I'm supposed to. You're too.
00;47;45;05 - 00;47;48;10
Mark
Nice.
00;47;48;12 - 00;47;55;07
Sarah
Murdoch goes back to dance class, and Professor Tronto says your abilities are not that bad.
00;47;55;09 - 00;47;57;27
Mark
But they're not that bad.
00;47;58;00 - 00;47;59;08
Sarah
He seems to be getting better.
00;47;59;08 - 00;48;01;05
Mark
They have a nice moment with Julie.
00;48;01;09 - 00;48;01;28
Sarah
They do.
00;48;02;04 - 00;48;05;09
Mark
And next week they go to the dinosaur show.
00;48;05;11 - 00;48;07;06
Sarah
Mm. The Dino ball.
00;48;07;06 - 00;48;09;11
Mark
The dental ball.
00;48;09;14 - 00;48;10;26
Sarah
Best corpse.
00;48;10;28 - 00;48;12;27
Mark
I think Alberta is the best.
00;48;12;28 - 00;48;16;06
Sarah
Or I do too. We hardly see Abercrombie.
00;48;16;06 - 00;48;20;08
Mark
Yeah, Alberta does a great job and she's just lying there and.
00;48;20;08 - 00;48;21;17
Sarah
On the hay bales.
00;48;21;19 - 00;48;27;18
Mark
They make a really good job of making the pictures look like the ripper pictures, but they're not the Ripper.
00;48;27;18 - 00;48;39;12
Sarah
Pictures. They're too clear to be the pictures, frankly. Yeah, they need to be way blacker and smudge here and stuff. So after the credits pour, I feel so bad for Morris Bailey.
00;48;39;14 - 00;48;40;04
Mark
Oh.
00;48;40;07 - 00;49;01;00
Sarah
I mean, he was a criminal. He deserved to be punished. And he should not have taken Henry hostage. But he was desperate. He. He. What he did was not directly violent. He thought he was going to be sent to the noose, which that's the way to get to plead your case. Yeah, but poor Mrs. Moffet just has to go home without her daughter.
00;49;01;02 - 00;49;04;08
Mark
Yeah, all the way to Coburg and then grafted.
00;49;04;14 - 00;49;08;17
Sarah
And I guess Bracken Reed's going to have to write a letter to Scotland Yard.
00;49;08;19 - 00;49;09;07
Mark
Yes.
00;49;09;07 - 00;49;19;10
Sarah
And I solved your murders for you. Yeah. Cairo, Bombay, Auckland. It's solution. It was this guy. Are you ready for a terrible movie?
00;49;19;10 - 00;49;21;21
Mark
I am ready for a terrible movie.
00;49;21;21 - 00;49;25;05
Sarah
Oh, I've got one. I've just got one. But boy, is it a doozy.
00;49;25;05 - 00;49;26;24
Mark
Okay.
00;49;26;26 - 00;49;31;13
Sarah
So Conrad Dunn, who plays professor of Toronto, the dance instructor, is in this movie.
00;49;31;13 - 00;49;32;09
Mark
Oh.
00;49;32;12 - 00;49;33;20
Mark
Mark.
00;49;33;23 - 00;49;35;08
Sarah
And he's like a major.
00;49;35;08 - 00;49;36;28
Mark
Do we see him again?
00;49;37;00 - 00;49;37;23
Sarah
I don't know.
00;49;37;23 - 00;49;43;15
Mark
I didn't know. I won't look him up on IMDB because I'll probably see the movies and he.
00;49;43;18 - 00;49;58;13
Sarah
Yes, Please don't. Now you're going to touch the computer in front of you. I see how it is. Yeah. He plays a major character in this movie. Yeah. He's not just like in the background. Okay. This is a 1996 movie. Okay? The tagline is Danger has a new face. Okay.
00;49;58;20 - 00;49;59;24
Mark
Okay.
00;49;59;26 - 00;50;19;29
Sarah
After his wife is killed in a criminal deal gone wrong, a policeman is shot in the face and declared dead, but instead undergoes secret plastic surgery to disguise himself as the hitman who killed his wife. Going undercover he infiltrates a dangerous underworld in order to find a mobster and a valuable microchip.
00;50;20;05 - 00;50;21;10
Mark
Okay, so this.
00;50;21;12 - 00;50;27;17
Sarah
So his wife is killed. He gets shot in the face and then gets plastic surgery to look like the man who killed his wife.
00;50;27;17 - 00;50;28;29
Mark
And I think this is.
00;50;29;04 - 00;50;30;07
Sarah
So he can fool the mobsters.
00;50;30;07 - 00;50;33;04
Mark
So this is a rip off of face off.
00;50;33;04 - 00;50;36;20
Sarah
It's before face off, isn't it? For office 1996.
00;50;36;23 - 00;50;37;25
Mark
I don't know if.
00;50;37;27 - 00;50;40;00
Sarah
It stars Lorenzo Lamas.
00;50;40;04 - 00;50;44;20
Mark
Oh, wow.
00;50;44;23 - 00;50;48;20
Mark
So Lorenzo Lamas was famous for being on Destiny.
00;50;48;22 - 00;50;50;01
Mark
Yeah.
00;50;50;04 - 00;51;01;18
Mark
With Joan Collins War. And he tried to be an action star in the nineties. Yeah. And this this I in 98 if it.
00;51;01;18 - 00;51;04;00
Sarah
Wasn't Lorenzo Lamas, it would have been Dolph Lundgren at.
00;51;04;05 - 00;51;11;16
Mark
Something. Yeah. I would have not seen this movie because it would have been above Lorenzo Lamas movies. Oh. At this point in time.
00;51;11;17 - 00;51;18;22
Sarah
Well Conrad Dun plays the mobster who who He's out to get nice. It's called Masque of Death.
00;51;18;22 - 00;51;20;06
Mark
Masque of Death?
00;51;20;06 - 00;51;31;05
Sarah
Yes. Wow. His plastic surgery is so good, it fools all of the mobsters into thinking that the assassin they sent out has just come back. I mean, he just looks just like him.
00;51;31;07 - 00;51;35;28
Mark
Wow. Because it's just your face. It's not like how you.
00;51;36;01 - 00;51;37;08
Sarah
Know what your.
00;51;37;08 - 00;51;38;04
Mark
Sound is.
00;51;38;04 - 00;51;42;18
Sarah
Stuff. Like what you know about who you've killed since you're an assassin who killed a cop's wife. And.
00;51;42;18 - 00;51;42;28
Mark
Yeah.
00;51;43;04 - 00;51;45;16
Sarah
Where have you been while you're healing up? I don't know.
00;51;45;16 - 00;51;46;21
Mark
I don't know. No.
00;51;46;23 - 00;51;55;23
Sarah
So Lorenzo Lamas gets to play the assassin and then he gets to play the cop pretending to be the assassin. Wow. That takes an acting skill.
00;51;55;23 - 00;51;56;13
Mark
That's.
00;51;56;15 - 00;52;01;02
Sarah
That's Lorenzo Masque of Death. At one point for me to.
00;52;01;04 - 00;52;10;12
Mark
Mr. Maniacs can be found on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and email as well as here. By the way, the mid-summer Reddit has had some really good discussions.
00;52;10;12 - 00;52;11;11
Sarah
Oh, yes.
00;52;11;13 - 00;52;12;17
Mark
Absolutely.
00;52;12;19 - 00;52;17;15
Sarah
Thanks, everybody, for pitching in there and having a good conversation. What's season two?
00;52;17;15 - 00;52;25;20
Mark
Episode three It is Dinosaur fever. Yeah, I got a fever. It's dinosaur.
00;52;25;20 - 00;52;27;24
Sarah
Paleontology. Yep. It's going to be fun.
00;52;27;24 - 00;52;39;22
Mark
Absolutely. And that will be released on 710. Remember the Kids? The Mystery Maniac newsletter comes out this Wednesday, which will be the 5th of July.
00;52;39;24 - 00;52;54;08
Sarah
Information, important announcements and announcement. If you don't subscribe and you don't want to, you'll see them announced thereafter in the social good newsletter. And we'll remind the next year heart on it. I know you do, and it only comes out once a month. You don't think it's not spam?
00;52;54;08 - 00;52;55;16
Mark
No, it's not spam.
00;52;55;18 - 00;52;57;25
Sarah
All right. Until next time by.
00;52;57;25 - 00;52;58;12
Mark
Mania.
00;52;58;15 - 00;53;13;06
Sarah
By me and.
00;53;13;08 - 00;53;20;29
Mark
And and there's a there's a movie with them. I'd love to cut this.
