Episode 172 - Murdoch Mysteries - "Houdini Whodunit" - Don’t Eat My Diorama, George!
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Sarah
One of those little radiators under the window that goes up and down, up and down. Yeah, Ruby would have had a room.
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Mark
She keeps going. I'm stuck. And then we get around to.
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Sarah
Hey, maniac.
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Mark
Hey, Maniac.
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Sarah
It's Mystery Maniac.
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Mark
Mystery Maniacs. Is there a comedy recap podcast dedicated mystery TV. Each week, we dig into an episode of the show, including the murders, the mayhem, and the loonies and everything else We love this Week, Murdoch Mysteries Season two Episode four Houdini Whodunit.
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Sarah
Chuffing Hell.
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Mark
Top in.
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Sarah
Hell. And Reid says that at least thrice in this episode.
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Mark
You can let your children see Julia's naked shoulders in the morgue.
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Sarah
Hey, now that.
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Mark
They're able to watch or listen to this podcast.
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Sarah
I think they should be more upset about the flayed core than her shoulders. I know he died from being bashed on the head, but I'm going to completely disassemble him. Yeah, okay. So I get into the.
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Mark
His black.
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Sarah
Blood. Before we get into the episode, we have a very exciting announcement.
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Mark
So, okay, we've, we've, we've teased this, but now we have details.
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Sarah
Mm hmm. July 29th at 2 p.m. Eastern. Write it down right now. July 29th, 2 p.m. Eastern time.
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Mark
The maniac, brainiac. Mid-summer trivia bash.
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Sarah
Yeah, baby.
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Mark
Oh, baby. Two weeks from today. Yeah, two weeks from when we're.
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Sarah
Recording, it'll.
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Mark
Be less than two weeks. When you're listening.
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Sarah
It's going to be like a fun pub trivia quiz.
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Mark
Just imagine us all getting together and having a fun pub trivia night. Yeah, couple of things. First of all, you don't have to play. You can just come and listen. Have fun. Yeah, right. Second, we have a.
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Sarah
You can play though, and it's really easy.
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Mark
You can play and it's really easy. I did it with the children this week and it worked pretty well and we're giving away prizes, both the winners and participants. Yeah. So you don't even have. All you got to do is show up and you have possibility with them.
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Sarah
Absolutely.
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Mark
Absolutely.
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Sarah
In the meantime, though, we are using a tool we've never used before, and so we'd like to test it with a couple of people.
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Mark
Yes, The Maniac, Brainiac, Midsomer Trivia Bash test.
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Sarah
It doesn't sound nearly as fun.
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Mark
So that will be Tuesday, the 18th of July at 8 p.m..
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Sarah
Eastern.
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Mark
Eastern.
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Sarah
U.S..
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Mark
East. Five people. Now, what you need to do for this task? First of all, I'm not testing the question. I'm not testing your trivia knowledge. The questions will be easy.
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Sarah
Yes.
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Mark
Okay. There will be super easy. I'm testing the system and I need to get a test of all our streaming and everything.
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Sarah
We just want to make sure that it's going to be a good experience for everybody on the day. So if you're free on on Tuesday night, that's tomorrow night. If you're listening to this for the day that comes out.
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Mark
At 8 p.m..
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Sarah
Eastern U.S. time and you have 130 minutes is probably what it'll take me.
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Mark
The test itself will probably take about 15 minutes. And then I'd like to do a Zoom call for about half an hour if that.
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Sarah
Yeah. Just to ask like just.
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Mark
To make.
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Sarah
Sure a couple of questions. Yeah.
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Mark
Make sure it worked well.
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Sarah
So if you're available, they should email us.
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Mark
Yes. So what you'll need is a computer and a phone and have done a Zoom call before. It doesn't have to be like you don't have to be on video or anything.
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Sarah
No, no.
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Mark
Just a zoom call. You can be on video. I'll be on video. But anyway, and what you need to do if you're interested in doing that, is to send me an email at Mystery Maniacs podcast at gmail.com with quiz test in the subject line.
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Sarah
Yeah, and we just need a few people. So if you're available for a half hour, 45 minutes, we'd really appreciate it.
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Mark
It makes it so much easier that we test it so that when the day of the event, which is July 29th, 2 p.m. Eastern for the Brainiac Maniac, the Maniac Brainiac summer trivia bash itself.
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Sarah
It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. We've got different levels of questions. We've got categories. You don't have to be like a hardcore midsummer fan and know every episode by heart to get some of them right. It's going to be fun.
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Mark
It's like one of our livestreams, but we're going to ask questions. Yeah, and the the program that we're using is kind of fun in itself.
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Sarah
Yeah, it's.
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Mark
Kind of a neat way to do it.
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Sarah
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It'd be a good time.
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Mark
Well, we'll have some fun.
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Sarah
So drop us an email if you're available on Tuesday night to participate in a little test. Yes.
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Mark
Original Air Date February 24th, 2009. Fred Man who directed a bunch of these already directed this and written by Alexander Zahra one day. Alexandra. Donna, Alexandra. Yes. So I believe this is a woman who did this.
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Sarah
I would say so. If you've not seen all of Murdoch, you should know this is the first appearance of Houdini, the first mention of H.G. Wells.
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Mark
First mentioned in the first appearance of Ruby and Ruby.
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Sarah
Yeah, Ruby Ogden, who's Julia sister, was.
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Mark
All over other seasons.
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Sarah
He's something else.
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Mark
Yes, she is.
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Sarah
She comes into the ABC.
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Mark
Play Little Sister. Fantastic.
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Sarah
And as two little siblings, we recognize that.
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Mark
Yes, I am the youngest and Sarah is also the youngest. And we understand having gone to the institute of the youngest child.
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Sarah
It's a secret school we get sent to.
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Mark
Where we learn how to do all of the mean things to our older sister.
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Sarah
To annoy them in sophisticated ways.
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Mark
I'm smarter than you and I always will be.
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Sarah
Yeah, I certainly said that for about ten years. I think so. Houdini shows up.
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Mark
No, no, no. I have to be careful because now I have a second sibling to us.
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Sarah
Oh, yeah? Yeah. They're going to get onto you and.
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Mark
Shout out to Sharon if you're listening. Thank you for listening to our episodes. It's wonderful that my family is supporting me.
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Sarah
So Houdini shows up in Station four, doing a little demonstration of escaping from a restraint jacket. Yes. And handcuffs. And he actually did this to promote it?
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Mark
Totally did this to promote his shows. He would go into a town like Chicago or Cleveland or Oklahoma City and go, Let's go to the chief of police and be like tried to to put handcuffs on me.
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Sarah
Now, he'd also call a reporter. Oh, yeah. Come along with.
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Mark
Them. Oh, absolutely.
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Sarah
To cover it.
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Mark
So Houdini absolutely is an interesting guy. And there's tons of interesting facts that you've probably all heard about. Houdini. But I learned three today that I did not know. Okay. So the first one I learned was that Houdini appeared as himself in Weird Tales magazine. You know, Weird Tales is.
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Sarah
No.
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Mark
It's a pulp magazine from the twenties.
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Sarah
Okay.
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Mark
Written in a story written by H.P. Lovecraft.
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Sarah
Whoa. It got.
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Mark
That sort of crossover in history I absolutely.
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Sarah
Love.
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Mark
Yeah, I think it's fantastic. So I'm going to link. So now. So we have six degrees separation. We have Houdini and H.P. Lovecraft.
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Sarah
Uh huh.
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Mark
And Houdini was also really good friends with Doyle.
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Sarah
Yeah. Sir Arthur CONAN Doyle Yeah.
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Mark
So that's the second most interesting fact I have about him that that he is.
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Sarah
They met through the spiritualist movement. Yes.
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Mark
And then he got upset with Doyle. Yeah. Doyle got upset with him because.
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Sarah
Houdini was a skeptic. An actual skeptic. And Doyle wasn't. He wanted to believe so.
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Mark
Also, this is not an amazing fact, but they play some loose and fast with Houdini here.
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Sarah
The timeline he.
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Mark
Would have totally been married to Best by this time. Did you know? Oh, this is so sad. So Bess lived 14 years longer than Harry. They married very young. She was only 18 when they got married. Stayed married all their lives. Absolutely. Head over heels, in love with each other and said they wanted to be buried together in the Jewish cemetery.
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Mark
And her family buried her in a Catholic cemetery.
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Sarah
Oh, that sounds so sad. I do know that he really wanted there to be life after death. He he wanted that to be true, though he was skeptical of whether it was true. And so they had secret words between them that whoever died first would if they could come back, that's how they would prove that.
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Mark
She did see séances every year on his death, never had any response. And the Magic Circle, which is a place in L.A., like a magic club, does a séance every year. Yeah, to try to.
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Sarah
He really wanted to talk to his mom. That's kind of where it started.
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Mark
But did you know that Houdini testified in front of Congress?
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Sarah
No. About what?
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Mark
What do you think.
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Sarah
I'm going to say? Spiritual. A psychics? Yes. And debunking them?
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Mark
They were going to ban fortune tellers in DC. And Houdini came and spoke at.
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Sarah
This in favor or against.
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Mark
Against or in.
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Sarah
Favor, in favor of banning them.
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Mark
Not only that, he also had infiltrated all of the DC Spiritualists communities with with compatriots and found out which Congressmen were using spiritualists to decide on policy.
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Sarah
No, they were going and getting their cards read to help them decide on policy that is so.
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Mark
And named.
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Sarah
Names of Congress. They must have been like, You're a psychic. How do you know that this.
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Mark
Spiritual is were so upset that the lead spiritualists in DC said he'd be dead within the year that Houdini.
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Sarah
Would.
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Mark
Be, and he was.
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Sarah
Wow. That may be the one thing that guy said that was true.
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Mark
In addition, he said he put up ten K, this is 26th 1926.
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Sarah
Houdini put up ten, put.
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Mark
Up ten K for anyone that could prove a spiritualists was real.
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Sarah
Oh, he's amazing. Randi before Amazing Randi.
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Mark
He I read a great a great quote, a great quote from that which he said, if I if if an apparition materialized before me in one of these spiritual sessions and I pulled out of the gun and shot it, I would not be culpable for murder.
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Sarah
Wow. But you would have killed somebody because it would have been their their lackey sidekick in a sheet like that.
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Mark
I want video of that.
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Sarah
Yeah.
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Mark
Because that would be so fantastic. When he started naming people's names.
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Sarah
The Jaws monster really dried.
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Mark
Up. Absolutely. So those are mere facts about Houdini. He is the king of the escape artist. He wasn't a great magician ever.
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Sarah
But that's not what he did. Yeah, I mean, he did illusions, but mostly he was a biologist.
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Mark
He was indeed.
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Sarah
And so in this episode, he's in Toronto doing a show at the cemetery, which is named after the production company.
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Mark
Yeah, that's a little fun. It's fun.
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Sarah
The poster they have out front, the Houdini, the Handcuff King poster.
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Mark
He's kind of bent over.
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Sarah
It's a classic.
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Mark
Yeah, And he's in his underwear.
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Sarah
No, he's in tax. Oh, that's.
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Mark
Right. He's in.
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Sarah
Charge of him around the outside edge doing things in the.
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Mark
Tux.
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Sarah
That's a 1906 posters. This is about ten years too early for it, but it's a great poster.
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Mark
So there is film of Houdini. It's all later in life, of course. Yeah. And there is audio of his voice, too.
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Sarah
I'm just amazed at how charismatic he was from such a young age because he was a natural showman, you know, self-promoter.
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Mark
He absolutely understand self-promotion.
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Sarah
This is it's so smart for him to go and challenge the police and give them free tickets.
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Mark
And I love how people are like, he used to do all this stuff to get attention. That's his job.
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Sarah
Yeah.
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Mark
His job was to get himself attention so that he could charge people tickets so that they would come and see him.
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Sarah
Yeah. Butts in seats make money. Like there's nothing wrong with, you know, he wasn't hurting anybody.
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Mark
They do use this poster everywhere.
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Sarah
It was probably the most popular Houdini poster ever done.
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Mark
But like in this set, it's like five or six places in the background.
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Sarah
Yeah, You're.
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Mark
Like.
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Sarah
He's with a guy who he says is the brother and Right Houdini brothers, but he's not really his brother. He's Leopold Romanoff, who is a fellow illusionist, but acting as his assistant from this show.
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Mark
And now he actually did perform with his brother for a little while.
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Sarah
Yeah, he.
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Mark
Did. But mostly he was known as the Houdini's and it was him and and Bear.
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Sarah
Yeah. His wife.
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Mark
Murdoch, gets roped into going with Julia and.
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Sarah
Barack and Barack.
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Mark
And Reid and George.
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Sarah
Yeah.
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Mark
And I love how Murdoch is like. He must be doing this with mirrors and everyone poops.
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Sarah
SHALHOUB You're ruining it. I am that person in an audience for an illusion. Yes. That's all I think about is how are they doing it? Yeah. I never I can never just sit back and enjoy it again.
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Mark
I've learned by watching illusionists that when they say, look at this, I look in the mirror.
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Sarah
Look everywhere else I.
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Mark
Look in the absolute opposite direction. And one of the things you might see in the opposite direction is Julianne being upset. She is visibly upset. And as.
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Sarah
Soon as Ruby smiles.
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Mark
Ruby is.
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Sarah
Revealed. Yeah. When you be.
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Mark
Oh my gosh.
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Sarah
If you were sitting there and one of your sisters was on Sharon, what do you do in a minute? That's my sister. Yeah, you're talking about. Look here. Don't look there when they do the pan of the street. So it's the Shaftsbury Theater. A bank, The Shakespeare Theater. There's a bank. Hey, did you notice there's a bank? Yeah, it's right next door.
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Sarah
It's a it's a bank. A bank is.
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Mark
They're bank of the bank. There's the.
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Sarah
Theater. There's the bank. They show you like I've. I'm like, don't forget there's a bank and it's right next door.
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Mark
Then right next door there's a bank. Yes. And there's a robbery going.
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Sarah
Banks have vaults and vaults have money. Yes. And people like money, so they take money from banks. Hey, guess what's going to happen?
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Mark
So Houdini goes into the into the safe, and his assistant Leopold turns over an hourglass.
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Sarah
Yeah. So for 11 minutes, that's how long he's got to get out of the safe. Let me just say before you go on about the. The hourglass, this is one lame trick. He gets into a safe that has a false bottom and leaves the trapdoor to the stage. That is so obvious. I don't think Houdini would have ever done that.
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Mark
No, I don't want to.
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Sarah
Incredibly obvious.
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Mark
And like, he's in a bag and he has some chains on him, but like Houdini would get out of that in 2 seconds.
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Sarah
It's still a false bottom. Yeah, they would have wheeled the safe around to prove that it wasn't that. Yeah, At least. So they flip over an hourglass.
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Mark
So how old do you think our glasses are?
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Sarah
I would assume that they're a thousand years old, at least.
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Mark
No, ours.
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Sarah
They were sundial era.
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Mark
No, they are mechanical clock era. Oh, they are only roughly 700 years old. There's a couple of reasons why. One, they didn't have the glass ability to make it.
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Sarah
Like it is pretty complex. Glass Yeah.
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Mark
And second of all, so this is like it's a timer. It's not a.
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Sarah
Clock, right?
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Mark
And it's also.
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Sarah
You. So you need a clock to create one. Yes.
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Mark
And it's also not very good in the sense that, like the sand is affected by things like humidity and all sorts of things. Right. The benefit of it that they didn't have before, like they had water clocks before, but they.
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Sarah
Couldn't count down like that.
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Mark
The benefit of it is that it's reusable.
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Sarah
Yeah, right. You can just keep flipping it over and you can visually see how much time is lost So early.
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Mark
14th century, probably monks.
00;16;33;02 - 00;16;34;28
Sarah
That's way later than I said. Yeah.
00;16;35;01 - 00;16;39;16
Mark
Absolutely. Largest hourglass in the world. Take a guess.
00;16;39;20 - 00;16;41;06
Sarah
Guess at how big it is. Yeah.
00;16;41;07 - 00;16;43;21
Mark
And it has a ton of sand in it.
00;16;43;23 - 00;16;45;08
Sarah
20 feet tall. I don't know.
00;16;45;08 - 00;16;48;23
Mark
It is 17 and a half feet tall.
00;16;48;26 - 00;16;54;09
Sarah
I was close. Yeah. Where is that? Is that. Why do they have that? How long does it take?
00;16;54;09 - 00;16;58;27
Mark
It is in the Nima Sand Museum in Japan.
00;16;58;29 - 00;17;01;05
Sarah
Wait a minute. It's a museum for sand.
00;17;01;05 - 00;17;01;26
Mark
Yes.
00;17;02;00 - 00;17;04;21
Sarah
Okay.
00;17;04;23 - 00;17;19;05
Mark
It has an s an estimated 20 £200 of sand. So there's a ton of sand in it with somewhere in the neighborhood of 629 trillion grains of sand.
00;17;19;05 - 00;17;21;06
Sarah
And they never flip it over because it's too heavy.
00;17;21;06 - 00;17;30;23
Mark
Nope, they flip it over once a month. Year o it takes a year for the sand to change from top to bottom.
00;17;30;29 - 00;17;31;13
Sarah
Wow.
00;17;31;13 - 00;17;35;15
Mark
And on top of it it's singing sand.
00;17;35;19 - 00;17;37;20
Sarah
So this may sound cool.
00;17;37;21 - 00;17;39;25
Mark
That rubs together. Makes this.
00;17;39;25 - 00;17;42;08
Sarah
Eerie sound.
00;17;42;08 - 00;17;44;10
Mark
Yeah, sound as it goes through.
00;17;44;10 - 00;17;48;07
Sarah
I've only ever heard of singing Sands and desert. So they make really cool sound.
00;17;48;07 - 00;17;54;26
Mark
Yep. Well, this is. I think that is a fantastic item to have in the Sand Museum.
00;17;54;26 - 00;18;00;04
Sarah
If you're going to have a museum for sand, you better have a timer. Yeah. Okay.
00;18;00;07 - 00;18;03;14
Mark
In the meantime, I'll do more tricks while he's in the safe.
00;18;03;21 - 00;18;17;04
Sarah
Yeah. Silently doing nothing. And Romanoff, like he saw a ruby and half. He stabs her with swords to a case. Yeah, You know, like he's just doing a run of the mill tricks.
00;18;17;07 - 00;18;17;11
Mark
Know?
00;18;17;14 - 00;18;21;13
Sarah
And I guess Ruby's just little enough that she can contort and box.
00;18;21;13 - 00;18;22;24
Mark
And what I don't like.
00;18;22;24 - 00;18;23;15
Sarah
Is that.
00;18;23;20 - 00;18;36;27
Mark
It is already bad enough that magician assistants are not magician assistants. Magicians. Assistants are also magicians. Yeah. Who play a different role than the lead magician.
00;18;36;27 - 00;18;37;10
Sarah
Right.
00;18;37;15 - 00;18;43;12
Mark
So already they get a bum rap. And Ruby, who's like, I'm a journalist, so I could do.
00;18;43;17 - 00;18;45;06
Sarah
Anything.
00;18;45;09 - 00;18;49;25
Mark
Intake X years of training to pull these tricks off as well as she's doing.
00;18;49;25 - 00;18;55;05
Sarah
Yeah, but, you know, she's Ruby. She can do anything. That's kind of her thing.
00;18;55;07 - 00;18;56;14
Mark
Chuffing hell.
00;18;56;17 - 00;19;12;29
Sarah
Meanwhile, somebody is running from the bank wearing a tux and then conveniently slips into the theater, making sense. Somebody sees them? Yeah. With apparently $152,000 in a bag the size of a purse.
00;19;12;29 - 00;19;14;01
Mark
Yeah, that.
00;19;14;03 - 00;19;17;24
Sarah
It must be a really big denomination. Like thousands.
00;19;17;25 - 00;19;21;22
Mark
We have two bills. One is a 72,000.
00;19;21;24 - 00;19;22;18
Sarah
Dollars.
00;19;22;20 - 00;19;24;27
Mark
Mrs.. And $72,000.
00;19;24;28 - 00;19;39;22
Sarah
Go. I didn't know they made those Looney Tunes 172,000 denominations. That's okay. And then, of course, Houdini just appears at the back of the theater because that's what you do in a trick like that.
00;19;39;24 - 00;19;47;06
Mark
Well, and that's a fantastic trick if you've ever seen it. It is exciting to see an allusion to that.
00;19;47;08 - 00;19;50;08
Sarah
But meanwhile, at the bank, somebody is dead.
00;19;50;13 - 00;19;52;09
Mark
So now we know it's on.
00;19;52;16 - 00;19;54;12
Sarah
Jonah Deckard is dead.
00;19;54;13 - 00;19;56;20
Mark
We'd all just happen to be here.
00;19;56;26 - 00;19;59;12
Sarah
Conveniently. All the police are next door.
00;19;59;14 - 00;20;08;26
Mark
Okay, I'm going to tell you as the chief superintendent of the Toronto police, maybe I'm breaking up station four because all they do is create dead bodies.
00;20;08;29 - 00;20;16;04
Sarah
Well, you don't know that all the other stations aren't having just as many. That's true. They're probably going unsolved because they don't have a murdoch.
00;20;16;06 - 00;20;26;19
Mark
So what we have here is three episodes we have, Hey, it's Houdini, and he does weird stuff and he's a young kid and he'd be 22 at this time.
00;20;26;20 - 00;20;27;07
Sarah
Mm hmm.
00;20;27;10 - 00;20;30;11
Mark
And he he and Brack and Reed don't get along.
00;20;30;12 - 00;20;30;25
Sarah
Right?
00;20;30;29 - 00;20;48;17
Mark
So we have that. We have the second story, which is Ruby, Julia and Murdoch. Murdoch. And then we have a not a bad whodunit. Mm. Right. So that's why I think, and I told you this when we were, when I was telling you about preparing for the episode. This episode hums.
00;20;48;17 - 00;20;49;16
Sarah
Along. It does.
00;20;49;21 - 00;20;52;05
Mark
You're, you're like, Whoa, we're halfway through. All right.
00;20;52;06 - 00;20;53;08
Sarah
There's a lot going on.
00;20;53;09 - 00;20;58;25
Mark
Yeah, absolutely. Poor Jody. Get banged on the head. Biggest deposit of the year.
00;20;58;27 - 00;21;02;15
Sarah
Yeah, that would be $5.5 million today.
00;21;02;15 - 00;21;08;17
Mark
I can remember when we first saw this. I do remember first seeing this going. Oh, it's the bank.
00;21;08;20 - 00;21;20;16
Sarah
Yeah, obviously it's the bank manager. Sims. I love Murdoch's model of the bank in the theater. He uses pencils for the bars around the vault.
00;21;20;18 - 00;21;29;02
Mark
Is you in a season of diorama? As in the show of time, this may be his finest diorama in this season.
00;21;29;03 - 00;21;45;03
Sarah
We don't get to see enough of it. I wish we had to see more of it. We do bracket Roxanne is playing with your toys. Yeah. Oh, maybe. And I love Bracken. Read comes into the station house. He's like, Don't worry about it. I got to figure it out. I'm going to draw here on the chalkboard. There's a theater.
00;21;45;09 - 00;21;51;27
Sarah
There's a bank. Houdini goes from the theater to the bank, takes the money, and then he goes back. See, I figured it out.
00;21;52;00 - 00;21;53;01
Mark
Did you stay up all?
00;21;53;05 - 00;22;00;18
Sarah
They were like, Okay, so basically, you just said Houdini did it. Good job. Okay.
00;22;00;20 - 00;22;01;26
Mark
By the way, it was Houdini.
00;22;02;01 - 00;22;22;03
Sarah
And I understand why they think it's Houdini. Obviously, he's they the criminals want it to appear as if the two Dini, who, of course, has an alibi kind of right. He's not in the safe, but where was he? And he won't tell Brock and read where he was. He won't involved the secret of his trick, which is trap door.
00;22;22;03 - 00;22;26;19
Sarah
Slip out the back, come in the front of the theater to die. And there's not really any.
00;22;26;20 - 00;22;27;17
Mark
List for this.
00;22;27;23 - 00;22;42;07
Sarah
Yeah. If it had been a good trick, I could understand why he wouldn't divulge it. But what he's really keeping secret is whether he was just, like, downstairs having a cup of coffee or he had to pee during those 11 minutes, or, like, whatever he's doing is.
00;22;42;09 - 00;22;44;10
Mark
The secrecy for three.
00;22;44;12 - 00;22;45;23
Sarah
Like, 3 seconds, 30.
00;22;45;23 - 00;22;47;22
Mark
Seconds to go. It's trap door.
00;22;47;26 - 00;23;08;13
Sarah
So where he was doesn't really matter if there was nobody there to see him. Yeah, but Houdini not being willing to give up the secret, I think, is totally legitimate for an illusionist like him. They don't want to divulge that because they don't know how many more people will find out about it. There is one example of that actually happening, and it's to David Copperfield, of all people.
00;23;08;14 - 00;23;14;07
Mark
Who in Herod, who bought a lot of Houdini stuff. Yeah, from the inherent he.
00;23;14;10 - 00;23;14;22
Sarah
First he.
00;23;14;22 - 00;23;27;24
Mark
Did. Yeah. He David Copperfield has a well-known collection collection of magic. He enters well, not real magic items like magic.
00;23;27;26 - 00;23;28;14
Sarah
He does have.
00;23;28;14 - 00;23;29;12
Mark
A bag of holding.
00;23;29;12 - 00;23;36;07
Sarah
Or David Copperfield is infamously known for supposedly making the Statue of Liberty disappear. Right?
00;23;36;08 - 00;23;38;25
Mark
He did. I saw live on television CBS.
00;23;38;26 - 00;23;39;03
Sarah
Yeah.
00;23;39;03 - 00;23;40;24
Mark
No tricks. I absolutely.
00;23;40;24 - 00;24;07;12
Sarah
Saw it. But in 2018 he was performing in Vegas and he brought 13 volunteers from the audience up on to the stage. And then he made them disappear. Yeah. And they reappeared at the back of the theater, just like Houdini does here. And one of the volunteers was an elderly guy. And of course, they shuffle the volunteers through like a little tunnel and round the back and up through the front of the theater.
00;24;07;14 - 00;24;35;06
Sarah
And this old man fell during that hustle and hurt himself. And he sued Copperfield and he sued the MGM Grand in Vegas for his injury because I guess they were really hustling them, I guess, Which means they shouldn't take a volunteer. No, that doesn't look able bodied, right? Yeah. But the court forced Copperfield to give away exactly how the trick is done so that they could assess whether or not he was responsible.
00;24;35;06 - 00;24;38;03
Mark
Did they protect him like he only had to tell the judge.
00;24;38;07 - 00;24;58;23
Sarah
No, no, you said it in court. Oh, wow. And the stage production manager backed him up and had diagrams and they walked the jury through the path that they had to go and everything. Okay. That trick is no longer a trick. It's completely reveal, but it's just as lame as this trick. Yeah. Oh, there's a trapdoor. And they go through a hallway.
00;24;58;24 - 00;25;04;15
Sarah
Like, that's all there is to it. There's. It's all this showmanship that makes it look, you know, Incredible.
00;25;04;15 - 00;25;07;05
Mark
Well, have you actually seen him? David Copperfield.
00;25;07;05 - 00;25;09;00
Sarah
Live? Yeah. In person? Yes.
00;25;09;01 - 00;25;13;09
Mark
No, I. I've been less than I'm away from. You saw him.
00;25;13;10 - 00;25;15;13
Sarah
So was he magical?
00;25;15;15 - 00;25;29;26
Mark
Actually, he was. So this was in the eighties in Ottawa. He was doing a show. But there's a place in Ottawa called the Byward Market, which is this big marketplace. And he was there on the afternoon of his.
00;25;29;26 - 00;25;31;19
Sarah
Show doing the street magic.
00;25;31;19 - 00;25;40;25
Mark
And he did Hands on Street Magic and then put a bucket around for the the children's hospital. Oh.
00;25;40;27 - 00;25;43;22
Sarah
That's cool. Ottawa That's a good way to drum up publicity.
00;25;43;22 - 00;25;49;25
Mark
They were drummed up publicity and he looked like he was amazing at hand.
00;25;49;25 - 00;26;12;04
Sarah
Magic. Oh, he's got to be fantastic. Anybody who does that like pen and Teller are incredible in person. Yeah. So Murdoch is going to have to interview everybody involved with the show. Yeah, right. Because he doesn't think Houdini did it. But they can't make out of proof. You know who did do it then, right? Yep. So he goes to Julia to warn her that he's going to have to interview Ruby.
00;26;12;05 - 00;26;20;13
Sarah
Yes, That's the whole purpose of his visit is to say, I'm going to talk to your sister. Yes. Just so you know, I'm going to talk.
00;26;20;13 - 00;26;21;29
Mark
To you, which is okay.
00;26;22;04 - 00;26;25;14
Sarah
No, I think it's a sign of affection for her.
00;26;25;17 - 00;26;26;11
Mark
I think so, too.
00;26;26;11 - 00;26;40;24
Sarah
Because he picks up on the chemistry between Julia and Ruby pretty quickly. You think? All right, little sister. Troublemaker makes Julia nervous. Julia is not nervous very often. Yeah. I'm going to cover my basement.
00;26;40;26 - 00;26;43;07
Mark
Why is she washing the floor in her underwear?
00;26;43;07 - 00;26;50;25
Sarah
Because she's understaffed. Yeah, she's not in her underwear. She just has her skirt clipped up. But poor woman, she looks like she's doing everything all at the same time.
00;26;50;25 - 00;26;57;05
Mark
She doesn't see it at first that she's understaffed. And I'm just like, Why is Julia washing the floor?
00;26;57;05 - 00;27;14;27
Sarah
I'm just glad it's getting washed. Yes, that place should be splattered in blood all the time. No soap, no gloves, no nothing, no PPE in that place. Your skirt is not PPE, Julia. Old days, Bracken, Reed and Houdini do not get along. And it's wonderful.
00;27;15;01 - 00;27;19;29
Mark
It is in the copper tub. Scene is great.
00;27;20;02 - 00;27;35;19
Sarah
And when Houdini cuffs, Bracken Reed to the table without him noticing and all the constables are outside the not one way window. Yeah. Giggling and then run off. It's going to go. It's so good.
00;27;35;20 - 00;27;39;27
Mark
3 minutes and 22 seconds without air is how long he lasts.
00;27;40;04 - 00;28;00;28
Sarah
It's a good long time to me, the relationship between Bracken Reed and Houdini is like a combo of the young whippersnapper who's like, coming up in your field and thinks they know more than you do. And always, you know, is challenging you. And like the first guy your daughter brings home for a date.
00;28;00;28 - 00;28;01;26
Mark
Yeah.
00;28;01;29 - 00;28;20;10
Sarah
I would do not keep this boyfriend. I'm sorry. He is not respectful of me because Houdini knows exactly what he's doing. He has all the attitude, but he has the skill to back it up. Yeah. And is not afraid of Bracken Reed at all. No, Houdini was just a little bit smarter. He would be like.
00;28;20;13 - 00;28;20;29
Mark
He's done.
00;28;21;00 - 00;28;22;10
Sarah
With. He would acquiesce a.
00;28;22;13 - 00;28;23;22
Mark
Bunch of bracken.
00;28;23;22 - 00;28;25;02
Sarah
Rings. Oh, I'm sure.
00;28;25;07 - 00;28;35;14
Mark
But he's so charming. He does it. He is very good at being charming. But you know what time it is? It's George's weird cornering time. Ha ha ha ha. So George has a theory.
00;28;35;20 - 00;28;49;03
Sarah
He's hearing a little constable who's holding a big bar of butter. I don't know what the. What he's supposed to is something yellow. The little statue of the miniature constable. But me, he's putting me in his mouth. I can't get it out.
00;28;49;06 - 00;28;50;22
Mark
Of my diorama.
00;28;50;24 - 00;28;53;08
Sarah
Don't eat my diorama, George Toad.
00;28;53;08 - 00;28;54;22
Mark
Eat my diorama. Yeah.
00;28;54;22 - 00;28;59;01
Sarah
His theory is that Houdini covered himself in butter and slid through the vents.
00;28;59;03 - 00;29;06;24
Mark
And then we have the great moment where Murdoch goes, baby, he's right, Drag. Just like what.
00;29;06;26 - 00;29;16;03
Sarah
Happened? How was he? But he wasn't covered in butter when he came back to the theater. Yes. So I couldn't have done it.
00;29;16;04 - 00;29;26;12
Mark
But it's Ruby now, of course, what the real problem is with going in the vents, as Mythbusters proved, is it's incredibly loud. If you go through the vent.
00;29;26;14 - 00;29;28;02
Sarah
Never mind. They don't support your weight.
00;29;28;02 - 00;29;29;13
Mark
They don't support your weight.
00;29;29;13 - 00;29;46;14
Sarah
And those vents wouldn't be there. Yeah, because those are vents for electrical ventilation and not gas. Yes. So she would have had to fit through a radiator. One of those little radiators under the window that goes up and down. Up and down. Yeah. Ruby would have had a spiral.
00;29;46;16 - 00;29;50;02
Mark
She keeps going unstuck, and then they get her out in like 2 seconds.
00;29;50;04 - 00;29;56;26
Sarah
Wow. She said her shoulders were wedged. Yes. She says she has to take her dress off because it was too bulky and she couldn't fit. Where did she leave it?
00;29;57;00 - 00;29;57;23
Mark
I don't know.
00;29;57;24 - 00;30;02;02
Sarah
On the other end of the vent. Where's the other end of the vent? Outside.
00;30;02;05 - 00;30;04;11
Mark
Murdock's looked for my coat on. Please.
00;30;04;12 - 00;30;18;25
Sarah
Did she go in from the roof? Well, she's in the equivalent of bra and panties. Yeah. So I can understand why he wants to cover up. Never mind if Julia finds out. Oh, you saw my sister in her underwear today. Oh, yeah. Great. Yeah.
00;30;18;28 - 00;30;29;08
Mark
Never mind. She goes to dinner with her like, woof. Oh, Murdoch is so out to lunch here. But we do get angry. Murdoch, at the end of this scene where he's like, You.
00;30;29;08 - 00;30;30;24
Sarah
Don't hesitate to arrest you.
00;30;30;24 - 00;30;34;04
Mark
Yeah, like, and don't mess with my girlfriend either.
00;30;34;04 - 00;30;43;21
Sarah
Yeah, because I like her. But I'm not saying Ruby is a Yeah, she's a little sister. Yeah, in all those ways. But she's not dumb.
00;30;43;28 - 00;30;44;09
Mark
No.
00;30;44;14 - 00;30;52;11
Sarah
And she doesn't want Murdoch. She wants Julia and Murdoch to get together and she's just not very good at going about it.
00;30;52;12 - 00;30;56;19
Mark
And when does she let slip that Jules has the record?
00;30;56;26 - 00;31;06;15
Sarah
Oh, in the in the bank. She's right. I'm not the one who's got the record. Yeah. And Crabtree goes. Dr. Ogden was arrested and we're like, Oh, make a note of that.
00;31;06;16 - 00;31;08;14
Mark
Yeah.
00;31;08;16 - 00;31;10;13
Sarah
Julia has a criminal record.
00;31;10;15 - 00;31;16;10
Mark
I deal with logic, not feelings, really, because there's a lot of feels from me.
00;31;16;12 - 00;31;16;21
Sarah
In.
00;31;16;24 - 00;31;18;16
Mark
This episode, especially.
00;31;18;22 - 00;31;28;20
Sarah
That's all right. Because Julia's finding out that the guard was injected in that eyeball. Yes, And the eyeball just is.
00;31;28;20 - 00;31;35;19
Mark
Blood is black. How do you think he did? They made that injection like, by the way, Corpse of the week.
00;31;35;19 - 00;31;39;24
Sarah
That eyeball. Yeah, I think it's just an eye drop or something.
00;31;39;29 - 00;31;40;15
Mark
I guess with.
00;31;40;15 - 00;31;52;01
Sarah
Some red coloring in it. I mean, theoretically, I think you could probably take a food safe marker and. And put a dot on your eye and it would last for a second before it turned out. It wouldn't take a lot.
00;31;52;05 - 00;31;58;29
Mark
When Ruby goes to see the body, she there's the smell of tobacco. Mm hmm. Right.
00;31;59;01 - 00;32;17;09
Sarah
And she does what everybody would do at some grass. Meanwhile, Julie is like, shoving her face off and into a flayed human being. I'm going to taste a little bit of this. Yeah, you're right. Tobacco. Yeah. Okay.
00;32;17;11 - 00;32;19;04
Mark
With that being said, some.
00;32;19;04 - 00;32;20;04
Sarah
Of your face clouds.
00;32;20;04 - 00;32;24;17
Mark
Are some of the best writing in the episode. Is their talk here about their parents.
00;32;24;18 - 00;32;25;12
Sarah
Yeah.
00;32;25;14 - 00;32;32;22
Mark
Where she says, Have you visited Mother? And we're like, mother. And she goes, I haven't been to the cemetery for a while.
00;32;32;22 - 00;32;34;29
Sarah
And Ruby helps her put her hair back up.
00;32;35;02 - 00;32;46;21
Mark
Yeah. And then Daddy isn't seeing you. He wants us to go to the rowing club for lunch, and then they get into Murdoch and how gorgeous he is. And I think it's just well done writing.
00;32;46;28 - 00;32;55;20
Sarah
I do, too. Yeah. Ruby clearly wants her sister to be happy, and if she can't talk her into just getting over herself, does this make her jealous enough that she has to admit it?
00;32;55;26 - 00;33;11;14
Mark
Okay, so now I have a problem here. Mm hmm. So, first of all, they leave Julia working, and they go out for dinner. Okay, But second of all, Julia is testing all of these poisons on giant test tubes of blood.
00;33;11;15 - 00;33;12;23
Sarah
Yes.
00;33;12;26 - 00;33;16;15
Mark
Where does she get all of this blood?
00;33;16;15 - 00;33;19;15
Sarah
I think it's like pig blood or something. I think she would have got it from.
00;33;19;21 - 00;33;25;01
Mark
I'm worried the constables fall down.
00;33;25;04 - 00;33;30;08
Sarah
All the constables are lining up to donate. Yeah, so she's got enough vials to test.
00;33;30;10 - 00;33;37;06
Mark
So then we have Punchy Murdoch because he shows up at the, at the morgue.
00;33;37;10 - 00;33;38;00
Sarah
Mm.
00;33;38;02 - 00;33;43;01
Mark
And he's full upon your conviction of character.
00;33;43;03 - 00;33;57;28
Sarah
Why. And she says alpine's the lowest form of humor or something like that. Yes. And then he imagines her naked. Yes. Why, In the morgue, She says she was skinny dip and that's how she got arrested. Yeah. And she was a student at the.
00;33;57;28 - 00;33;59;05
Mark
Time one point.
00;33;59;09 - 00;34;06;02
Sarah
And then he's like, Oh, you skinny dipping naked. Oh, she's like, Hello, Murdoch. He's like, Yes.
00;34;06;02 - 00;34;06;13
Mark
Yeah.
00;34;06;18 - 00;34;19;29
Sarah
Sorry. I was just imagining you naked, standing over a dead body looking for an injection site. This is. It's so weird. It's the wrong place. Murdoch. It is.
00;34;20;02 - 00;34;21;23
Mark
Put the dinner would have be the worst.
00;34;21;25 - 00;34;29;24
Sarah
Oh, gosh, yes, it would have been worse. I mean, this is really the one place they always hang out. Yes, it's the morgue. So if he's going to.
00;34;29;24 - 00;34;32;13
Mark
But it really should have been in Murdoch's office.
00;34;32;15 - 00;34;36;03
Sarah
So I don't know. I think the fact that it's in the morgue is funny.
00;34;36;06 - 00;34;38;15
Mark
But it's clearly meant to be funny.
00;34;38;18 - 00;34;39;25
Sarah
She's got her back to him.
00;34;39;26 - 00;34;43;07
Mark
Oh, Houdini's escaped.
00;34;43;10 - 00;34;49;19
Sarah
It's a broken reads desk with his feet up like he's a slippery fish. You're not going to keep him.
00;34;49;21 - 00;34;56;19
Mark
Murdoch finds out, figures out it's an inside job, and goes to confront the bank manager. Outside of the bank manager?
00;34;56;21 - 00;34;59;25
Sarah
Bank Who is guilty as guilty, Guilty, guilty.
00;34;59;25 - 00;35;05;04
Mark
And then goes back to the station for and I'm like my mum. I got a part on top.
00;35;05;11 - 00;35;14;18
Sarah
Yeah. I got to get to drive the horse though. We don't see a horse. It's probably some intern pulling, pulling the carriage off of camera.
00;35;14;20 - 00;35;17;00
Mark
Leopold Romanoff plays with poppers.
00;35;17;04 - 00;35;21;12
Sarah
Yeah. And says he's not Houdini's brother. He just pretends to be his brother.
00;35;21;12 - 00;35;23;27
Mark
And just gives away a whole bunch of information.
00;35;24;03 - 00;35;49;26
Sarah
Then Murdoch has the vault lock or a version of the vault lock the time lock. Right. So the whole idea of this vault in the bank is that instead of having a combination or a key like you might use during the day to get in edge, Yeah. When the bank is closed based on the time the banks open and closed, the vault has a lock that knows what time it is and will not open for any circumstance during that time.
00;35;49;27 - 00;35;54;25
Sarah
Yes. Do you know why they had to move to that kind of lock on a bank vault?
00;35;54;27 - 00;35;58;23
Mark
Because people would come in during bank hours and rob the bank.
00;35;58;25 - 00;36;05;05
Sarah
They could still do that with the time lock. That doesn't prevent that because during the day, the vault secured with standard methods.
00;36;05;09 - 00;36;06;14
Mark
Okay, I don't know.
00;36;06;17 - 00;36;11;20
Sarah
They had to do it because in the 1860s and seventies, so many bank managers were kidnaped.
00;36;11;20 - 00;36;12;23
Mark
Oh, yeah, that's right.
00;36;12;23 - 00;36;24;19
Sarah
Because they knew the combination or they had a right, they would kidnap them or kidnap their families and hold them hostage them hostage. But with time locks, no one could get in.
00;36;24;20 - 00;36;26;17
Mark
Takes that out of their hands completely.
00;36;26;17 - 00;36;41;12
Sarah
Yeah. And I, I spent way too much time at the Sergeant and Greenleaf time lock. Oh, and I can tell you that the lock that Murdoch is playing around with there in the station, it's genuine. It is one of them. That's what they look. Oh, really?
00;36;41;20 - 00;36;42;08
Mark
That's super.
00;36;42;08 - 00;36;51;10
Sarah
Cool. They're like golden brass and all these gears and knobs. They're beautiful. What I was really surprised by is they haven't changed that much.
00;36;51;10 - 00;36;51;23
Mark
No.
00;36;51;23 - 00;36;58;19
Sarah
So, Sergeant and Greenlees sell sell time locks to this day, and they have models that look nearly like.
00;36;58;19 - 00;37;01;08
Mark
Where you want it to be. Mechanical, not digital, because.
00;37;01;08 - 00;37;01;22
Sarah
Right.
00;37;01;24 - 00;37;03;09
Mark
You don't want it powered by age.
00;37;03;13 - 00;37;24;16
Sarah
There were time locks that were electronic for a little while, but they were just too vulnerable. They were too easy to get into. Through. Yeah, cutting the power. They had backup power, but they also thought these can be hacked. Yeah, in all kinds of ways. And so they didn't stick around. So the time locks that are available now look nearly like what you see in this episode.
00;37;24;16 - 00;37;27;18
Sarah
They're just not nearly as fancy. They don't have as much.
00;37;27;18 - 00;37;28;18
Mark
So on business, that's.
00;37;28;23 - 00;37;31;22
Sarah
Yeah, yeah. I looked at the catalog today.
00;37;31;24 - 00;37;34;17
Mark
By the way. This the first appearance of George in a fountain pen.
00;37;34;19 - 00;37;37;13
Sarah
Yeah. Which he also puts in his mouth. Yeah. What is wrong with what.
00;37;37;13 - 00;37;40;25
Mark
Is wrong with Georgia? His mouth put butter on it.
00;37;40;27 - 00;37;47;01
Sarah
At this time, though, the lock would have cost almost as much as the vault. Wow. They were really expensive.
00;37;47;01 - 00;37;47;08
Mark
For.
00;37;47;12 - 00;37;51;27
Sarah
Months. Yeah, and luckily in the Jesse James things he refers to, That's true.
00;37;51;29 - 00;37;55;16
Mark
Luckily, Ruby comes in and is way too forward.
00;37;55;18 - 00;37;59;07
Sarah
Let me take you out to dinner to make my sister jealous. Official Admit that she loves you.
00;37;59;08 - 00;38;04;25
Mark
Meanwhile, back in the more Julia still doing homework.
00;38;04;28 - 00;38;12;05
Sarah
Still putting droppers and stuff in the vials and stuff. Nope, not black. So she doesn't have an assistant.
00;38;12;06 - 00;38;28;10
Mark
What I wish is Murdoc should be more like Murdoc. Should be. I don't feel comfortable doing this, but you're her sister, so I want to make her happy. So I'm going to go with you. But instead, he's kind of like, Hey, let's go.
00;38;28;13 - 00;38;32;14
Sarah
Yeah. I don't know why he's willing to go out to dinner with her in the first place.
00;38;32;18 - 00;38;33;22
Mark
Yes, it seems.
00;38;33;23 - 00;38;38;05
Sarah
I thought. I think what he might have done is said, Yeah, let's invite Juliet to go.
00;38;38;11 - 00;38;44;05
Mark
And meanwhile George is like, Yeah, he's not here. He went out with your sister.
00;38;44;07 - 00;38;46;20
Sarah
They're probably kissing right now.
00;38;46;22 - 00;38;52;29
Mark
So Julie arrives at the restaurant, unbuttoned and pinches her cheeks. What do you think about this?
00;38;53;02 - 00;39;11;22
Sarah
And she knows her sister is glamorous and she can't compete. Yeah, but I love that once she sits down, they start talking about the case and they do not stop. Yeah, they clearly have more in common. And Ruby doesn't object. She's like, I'm just going to sit back and eat my potatoes because that's what she wanted to happen the whole time.
00;39;11;22 - 00;39;12;25
Mark
Yeah, I think so.
00;39;12;25 - 00;39;14;13
Sarah
I don't think she wants Murdoch.
00;39;14;13 - 00;39;15;15
Mark
No, I don't think so.
00;39;15;15 - 00;39;21;15
Sarah
She's not going to be in Toronto for 5 minutes. She's going to leave. You know, she doesn't need to hurt her sister's feelings.
00;39;21;15 - 00;39;23;17
Mark
Oh, she's got bigger fish to fry.
00;39;23;22 - 00;39;24;03
Sarah
Yeah.
00;39;24;03 - 00;39;34;05
Mark
H.G. Wells So then Murdoch whispers to the sister, and Julia does such a great Eleanor is like. Like steam coming out of her ears.
00;39;34;06 - 00;39;40;01
Sarah
Because now she's in sister mode because she's not there. Yeah. Did he say none of your business?
00;39;40;03 - 00;39;46;19
Mark
Oh, it's such a good dynamic between them. And it always is. Yeah. They do a great job.
00;39;46;19 - 00;39;48;18
Sarah
Yeah, it's well written and well-acted.
00;39;48;22 - 00;39;49;26
Mark
Oh, Sims is that.
00;39;49;26 - 00;39;50;27
Sarah
Yeah.
00;39;51;04 - 00;39;52;27
Mark
So everybody must be dead.
00;39;52;27 - 00;39;59;28
Sarah
His poor secretary. Yes. So he's in his office. He's not to be disturbed. Oh, he's dead.
00;40;00;00 - 00;40;07;01
Mark
My mom. I got a part. Why does everybody smell like tobacco?
00;40;07;04 - 00;40;21;24
Sarah
So? Because the guard and Sims are both dead. There's got to be a third person involved. Yeah, and it's not Ruby. She's not the mastermind. It's got to be somebody who knew there was going to be a lot of money and knew the magic trick. So it's got to be Romanoff.
00;40;21;27 - 00;40;33;04
Mark
Yep, we're running out of people, but now we have a chance to have Houdini in and Murdoch team up because all these really show should really be called Murdoch's mystery team UPS.
00;40;33;07 - 00;40;43;08
Sarah
Well, don't forget, we also have the Murdoch and Juliet drop things in vials of blood party. Yeah. Do you want to help, sir?
00;40;43;11 - 00;40;46;24
Mark
I've got lots of blood. Where did you get it? Never mind.
00;40;46;28 - 00;40;50;21
Sarah
I've got lots of poison. Where did you get it? Never mind.
00;40;50;22 - 00;40;55;06
Mark
I have a two liter container.
00;40;55;08 - 00;40;56;13
Sarah
She keeps it in an ice box.
00;40;56;13 - 00;40;58;03
Mark
Boy, it smells like tobacco.
00;40;58;04 - 00;41;02;15
Sarah
Smells like back in here. So pulling droppers together.
00;41;02;21 - 00;41;03;04
Mark
So this.
00;41;03;04 - 00;41;04;04
Sarah
Is.
00;41;04;07 - 00;41;16;10
Mark
This is a good explanation of of illusions and how they work. If I make your train disappear, there's only two situations it could be either it appears to disappear and it's still there, or.
00;41;16;12 - 00;41;16;20
Sarah
I was.
00;41;16;20 - 00;41;23;05
Mark
Never there in the first place. Yeah. And once you begin to look at illusions like that, you begin to figure them out.
00;41;23;07 - 00;41;37;05
Sarah
You just have to question your assumption, right? So the assumption is that somebody was able to open the vault through a lock that is impossible to unlock. Yes. So the answer has to be they got into the vault without opening the lock. How do you do that?
00;41;37;05 - 00;41;47;07
Mark
And you put an engineer in that mix and you're like, well, obviously there's some difference to the walls or Yeah, to the bank itself.
00;41;47;08 - 00;41;59;11
Sarah
Yeah. And we're supposed to believe that while the vault was installed, Simms and Decker and the guard managed to create basically a false wall next to it and nobody would have noticed.
00;41;59;11 - 00;42;07;14
Mark
Yeah. So this plan is incredibly well planned out and executed, and then they become stupid people.
00;42;07;17 - 00;42;08;13
Sarah
And. Yeah.
00;42;08;15 - 00;42;29;15
Mark
So there's a movie called A Simple Plan. It's from a book called Simple Plan. It's it's a really fantastic movie. But that movie is about stupid people who find a bunch of money and they do stupid things right away. And that's what I love about that movie is they are regular people who do stupid things with their money.
00;42;29;17 - 00;42;30;21
Sarah
Which normal people would do.
00;42;30;22 - 00;42;35;22
Mark
Which absolutely normal people. These people are incredible planners.
00;42;35;25 - 00;42;55;03
Sarah
Yeah, because the three of them were in prison in the U.S. together and must have hatched the plan then. Right. So Simms goes to Canada, reinvents himself, gets a job at a bank, gets promoted to manager, hires Decker to be a guard just before the bank agrees to install a vault with a new impenetrable.
00;42;55;03 - 00;42;56;19
Mark
Lock beside a theater.
00;42;56;22 - 00;43;10;01
Sarah
Beside a theater just in time for Romanoff to get a job being the fake Houdini brother and convinces Houdini to go to Toronto to perform in that theater so they can rob that bank and framed into an.
00;43;10;01 - 00;43;12;12
Mark
Incredible amount of coincidences.
00;43;12;16 - 00;43;15;06
Sarah
And it would take such a long period of time.
00;43;15;06 - 00;43;19;11
Mark
Like it would have been like, You can't clean out ourselves. This is our plan.
00;43;19;14 - 00;43;20;15
Sarah
Yeah.
00;43;20;17 - 00;43;24;20
Mark
Like they would have had to made a diorama.
00;43;24;22 - 00;43;28;14
Sarah
Meanwhile, Simms is like studying banking on in his free time.
00;43;28;14 - 00;43;30;26
Mark
They're all smoking cigarets like crazy people.
00;43;30;28 - 00;43;36;25
Sarah
He didn't even change his name. No. When they went to look up his record, they found it fairly easily. So.
00;43;36;27 - 00;43;42;18
Mark
Well, it says here that you have a record for robbery and have been in jail. But your manager says.
00;43;42;20 - 00;43;49;19
Sarah
Trying to be a bank manager, I think we can trust you. You know how criminals think. You won't let us get robbed.
00;43;49;22 - 00;43;59;28
Mark
Oh, the first book that Houdini published was all about how criminals work. Smart. Yeah, it was. It was super interesting. I looked at a couple of chapters in it, or.
00;43;59;28 - 00;44;02;28
Sarah
Was it a double bluff so that people didn't think he was a criminal?
00;44;03;00 - 00;44;08;19
Mark
No, no. He just was like, This is how criminals steal your money and steal your things and stuff like that.
00;44;08;24 - 00;44;09;14
Sarah
Nice.
00;44;09;16 - 00;44;10;19
Mark
Super interesting.
00;44;10;24 - 00;44;13;26
Sarah
Okay, do they catch Romanoff before he can run off?
00;44;13;26 - 00;44;19;09
Mark
Yes. More story. Sad trombone, more outlaw.
00;44;19;11 - 00;44;24;27
Sarah
Oh, I was on my way to the train station. Darn it. With my big vat of liquid to back.
00;44;25;04 - 00;44;28;14
Mark
You and your giant dog caught me. I mean, sister.
00;44;28;14 - 00;44;41;19
Sarah
And my syringe. Then Houdini's back in station house? Yes. Doing his tricks again. And Bracken Reed gets his revenge? Yes. With to do a little trick I like to call glue.
00;44;41;21 - 00;44;44;22
Mark
The trick.
00;44;44;25 - 00;45;00;10
Sarah
But I like that. Yes, I like that. Bracken Reed gets his come up, you know, Houdini gets his comeuppance via and Reed, because I want Brack and Reed to have the respect of the station house. Yeah, And if he looked like Houdini was victimizing him over and over again, he wouldn't.
00;45;00;12 - 00;45;04;11
Mark
And another sad trombone moment where he's like.
00;45;04;14 - 00;45;06;06
Sarah
Oh, you got me back and all.
00;45;06;06 - 00;45;09;25
Mark
You got got me. Ruby's like, Go hang out with Jewel.
00;45;09;29 - 00;45;10;23
Sarah
Yeah.
00;45;10;25 - 00;45;12;05
Mark
Get her outside some more.
00;45;12;05 - 00;45;18;10
Sarah
Would you like to go out to dinner and, Talk about a case about a young swimmer's, blatant disregard for clothing?
00;45;18;16 - 00;45;19;06
Mark
I think.
00;45;19;09 - 00;45;20;00
Sarah
This.
00;45;20;03 - 00;45;21;13
Mark
Oh, this is.
00;45;21;14 - 00;45;23;15
Sarah
I've been thinking about you naked for days.
00;45;23;16 - 00;45;28;14
Mark
This is the most forward we see. Yeah.
00;45;28;17 - 00;45;29;07
Sarah
So if he.
00;45;29;07 - 00;45;31;17
Mark
Is right on flirt.
00;45;31;19 - 00;45;35;04
Sarah
Yes, Yes. He's got the big eyelashes. Bling bling.
00;45;35;04 - 00;45;39;07
Mark
Bling. And she she at first is like, oh, okay.
00;45;39;09 - 00;45;41;23
Sarah
Oh, the whole ending.
00;45;41;23 - 00;45;43;20
Mark
And the whole ending is.
00;45;43;25 - 00;45;54;04
Sarah
Oh, it's very like the the end of an old murder. She wrote episode where there was like some little joke and then it freeze frames everybody laughing. Ha ha ha.
00;45;54;04 - 00;45;58;25
Mark
Ha. It is totally like the best.
00;45;58;27 - 00;46;02;18
Sarah
I think we both agree it's d'accord because they get surprised eyeball.
00;46;02;22 - 00;46;04;03
Mark
To eyeball, man.
00;46;04;06 - 00;46;06;14
Sarah
And then he gets flayed like a fish.
00;46;06;19 - 00;46;08;04
Mark
And then like.
00;46;08;06 - 00;46;18;02
Sarah
And Julius screams in blood. Let me get right in there and get a good whip. Yeah. To back.
00;46;18;05 - 00;46;20;13
Mark
So a bunch of people go to jail here.
00;46;20;15 - 00;46;20;27
Sarah
Yeah.
00;46;20;29 - 00;46;22;25
Mark
Houdini needs a new assistant.
00;46;22;28 - 00;46;30;01
Sarah
Well, a bunch of people who Decker doesn't. He's dead. Simms doesn't. He's dead. Romanoff goes to jail. Who else goes to jail now?
00;46;30;01 - 00;46;30;21
Mark
Romanoff?
00;46;30;27 - 00;46;43;05
Sarah
That's it. Yeah. Now, if it was in today's money, we'd be looking for all the people who helped them accomplish all this stuff. Yes, but yeah, you know, Murdock. So Romanoff goes to jail. Ruby's off to turn next adventure.
00;46;43;12 - 00;46;44;13
Mark
Which we are.
00;46;44;13 - 00;46;46;14
Sarah
Following Houdini more, I guess.
00;46;46;15 - 00;46;50;18
Mark
Ruby. I don't think we see her again this season, but we see her next season.
00;46;50;18 - 00;46;51;07
Sarah
Yeah, we see her.
00;46;51;10 - 00;46;54;15
Mark
When H.G. Wells shows up. There's a spoiler.
00;46;54;15 - 00;46;58;14
Sarah
She's always hanging out with people questionable. Been writing a book.
00;46;58;14 - 00;47;00;20
Mark
You read it to me in his backyard.
00;47;00;21 - 00;47;05;14
Sarah
He's an amorous. That's a long ball. And that was after she was with the Raj.
00;47;05;17 - 00;47;16;21
Mark
And also. Okay, if you've read, have you read Time Machine? Time Machine? There's a lot of social commentary with very little side to science fiction at the beginning. Yeah, like the whole.
00;47;16;22 - 00;47;20;05
Sarah
I was disappointed as a kid how little sci fi there was.
00;47;20;09 - 00;47;36;18
Mark
Like, you see, you see time after time or the time machine movie with Malcolm McDowell in it. Like those are exciting and interesting. And the Malcolm McDowell one has like Jack the Ripper in it. Yeah. Like it's bad tastic.
00;47;36;19 - 00;47;38;08
Sarah
It's time after time, isn't it?
00;47;38;09 - 00;47;46;07
Mark
No time after time is the the that it may be time after time. Yeah. The other one I was thinking of is the Christopher read time travel.
00;47;46;07 - 00;47;46;28
Sarah
Yeah. Okay.
00;47;47;04 - 00;47;55;13
Mark
So there's those two and they're exciting and fantastic made for television movies and then you read the Time Machine book and you're like.
00;47;55;13 - 00;47;58;28
Sarah
This is all about one class of people being oppressed by another.
00;47;58;28 - 00;48;06;01
Mark
And this is really archeology, kind of like it's, it's kind of folklorists trying to vote a.
00;48;06;01 - 00;48;10;27
Sarah
Little bit, putter something. Yeah, I'm fine.
00;48;10;29 - 00;48;15;22
Mark
He's great ideas, not the best storyteller. That's what I'm going to say.
00;48;15;24 - 00;48;19;29
Sarah
Well, that is Houdini. Who done it? Yes, who done it? Romanoff did it.
00;48;20;00 - 00;48;30;26
Mark
Season two Episode four Next week will be season two, Episode five The Green Muse. Do you remember this episode? No. Oh, you.
00;48;30;26 - 00;48;32;05
Sarah
Don't? I don't know.
00;48;32;08 - 00;48;32;29
Mark
I'm going to say.
00;48;33;00 - 00;48;33;14
Sarah
I've seen.
00;48;33;14 - 00;48;41;25
Mark
It. I'll say so many times. Either you'll be shocked or you'll remember Murdoc and Julia go to the park and drink absinthe.
00;48;41;26 - 00;48;43;11
Sarah
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00;48;43;12 - 00;48;47;06
Mark
Almost. Get naked. And there is talk of condoms.
00;48;47;13 - 00;49;00;09
Sarah
The Green Fairy. Yeah. Like, wow. They're like, nothing happens. Wow. She's a modern woman, and he's a Catholic prude.
00;49;00;09 - 00;49;07;21
Mark
I'm. I'm not. I'm not surprised by Julia. No by surprise. Oh, we're not like we're getting it.
00;49;07;21 - 00;49;12;18
Sarah
Oh, well, later. He doesn't touch alcohol. He doesn't drink at all, so. Yeah.
00;49;12;21 - 00;49;18;17
Mark
Yeah, Murdock's drinking is on again. Off again. Their cover, the plot needs is on again.
00;49;18;22 - 00;49;22;26
Sarah
With the absinthe. They're getting a little crazy. Then later on, they smoke opium together.
00;49;23;02 - 00;49;25;05
Mark
They do a taste. Wow.
00;49;25;09 - 00;49;26;26
Sarah
Then crazy time.
00;49;26;29 - 00;49;50;08
Mark
Absolutely. So just to recap, after the beginning, we have the maniac brainiac Midsomer Trivia Bash test, which will be Tuesday the 18th at 8 p.m.. If you're interested in helping me out, I need five or six people Mystery Maniacs podcast at gmail.com with the subject Quiz test.
00;49;50;12 - 00;49;51;21
Sarah
Yes.
00;49;51;23 - 00;49;56;05
Mark
And I'll send you all the instructions that you need. You need a telephone, you need a telephone.
00;49;56;05 - 00;49;59;13
Sarah
A cell phone. You need a computer to dial on.
00;49;59;15 - 00;50;03;05
Mark
I need a cell phone. You need a smartphone?
00;50;03;05 - 00;50;03;26
Sarah
Yes.
00;50;03;26 - 00;50;15;05
Mark
And you need a computer computer to see YouTube or where the stream will be. And the email I send you will have all the links, plus the zoom link.
00;50;15;05 - 00;50;19;12
Sarah
It'll be easy to do. That's the whole point. That's what testing is. And it's easy.
00;50;19;14 - 00;50;20;17
Mark
It will be super easy.
00;50;20;17 - 00;50;21;19
Sarah
So if you can.
00;50;21;21 - 00;50;24;11
Mark
You don't have to log in or give your information, you.
00;50;24;12 - 00;50;32;17
Sarah
Know? So if you've got 30, 45 minutes on Tuesday night, please send us an email. We love to have your help. That is in preparation for the Maniac.
00;50;32;17 - 00;50;34;23
Mark
Brainiac Big summer trivia bash.
00;50;34;23 - 00;50;39;22
Sarah
On July 29th at 2 p.m. Eastern US time. Yes, we hope you will join us.
00;50;39;22 - 00;50;50;19
Mark
We hope you'll join us and we're back again week for an episode. And then we do the trivia bash and then we're off for two weeks because we become the busiest human beings on the planet.
00;50;50;19 - 00;50;52;25
Sarah
Again. Again, it happens every month.
00;50;52;28 - 00;50;53;22
Mark
I can't believe.
00;50;53;22 - 00;50;57;08
Sarah
Scores. Don't say that.
00;50;57;10 - 00;51;01;20
Mark
Oh, I said it to the children the other day. They were like, four are all right.
00;51;01;23 - 00;51;04;04
Sarah
You're lucky you're out of my arm's reach right now.
00;51;04;07 - 00;51;05;25
Mark
I just go to work every day.
00;51;05;26 - 00;51;12;11
Sarah
I know. That's why you can say that kind of crap, because it doesn't impact you. I get.
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Mark
Okay, maniacs.
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Sarah
By maniac.
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Mark
By maniac.
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Sarah
Is. Oh, that was a mean thing to say right at the end to.
