Episode 182 - Father Brown - "The Hammer of God" - Your Mother Makes Scones in Hell! - REMIX!
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Mark
Hey.
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Mark
Maniacs.
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Mark
This is Mark, and this is episode 182, which is a remix episode of episode 137 Father Brown Season one, Episode one. We already covered it, so we just wanted to judge up the episode code a bit. Our episode was originally broadcast on September 12th, 2002, before we began a couple of announcements at the top. We have our newsletter coming out on the 1st of November, which will have the November and December schedules in it, as well as some other announcements.
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Mark
And then we return to Father Brown season one episode to the Flying Starz on November 6th. So without further ado, please enjoy Father Brown. Season one Episode one Your Mother Makes Scones in Hell Remix.
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Sarah
Hey, maniac.
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Mark
Hey, Maniac.
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Sarah
It's Mystery Maniacs.
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Mark
Mystery Maniacs is a comedy recap podcast dedicated to British mystery TV. Each week we dig into an episode of the show, including murders, memes and loonies and everything else we love. This week we're covering Father Brown Season one episode one The Hammer of God.
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Sarah
And this is the more recent 20 1320.
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Mark
13.
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Sarah
Series 18.
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Mark
70.
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Sarah
Four Potatoes and that was made before I was born. Though those are kind of worth watching. If you don't know, maybe you take a shot every time you're creepy out.
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Mark
There and you'd be real.
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Sarah
Good and drunk. They love it, I bet.
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Mark
Incredibly strange for 1970s TV, it is more like and people are going to be weirded by this. I would say that show is more like Doctor Who than it is like EastEnders.
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Mark
Wow. Yeah, there are some.
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Sarah
Plot wise.
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Mark
There.
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Sarah
But production wise.
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Mark
The production and the episode that takes place in the Strange Castle thing with the Americans.
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Mark
Yeah, that is bonkers.
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Mark
From start to end that episode.
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Sarah
Again, go back and watch them if you want to. But I recommend drinks. Yeah, it'll make it more fun. Now we're talking about the Mark Williams Father Brown.
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Mark
Yes. And I think in a nod to that original Father Brown that that Father Brown was Kenneth Moore did that was Father Brown, I think in a nod to that. That's why they did Hammer of God first, because Hammer of Gods, not the first story now.
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Sarah
And it's a short story. Yeah. And so these are written by Chesterton, who was an odd duck, too, by the way.
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Mark
Yeah. And this is a response to the Protestant ism of Sherlock Holmes. And it's also, as I would say, it's also a response to the war that's coming because these are pre World War One.
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Sarah
Stories when they're written. Yeah. Now these are set in the 1950s.
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Mark
Yeah, I wondered why they did that.
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Sarah
I was sure I couldn't find anything definitive from the writers or the producers about that decision. But I can only assume that there are a lot of shows set in the thirties in England. The interwar years, the forties in England, and that maybe they just wanted to shake it up a little bit.
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Mark
I also think purely as a production situation that it is harder. Like you can set these in the teens because the cars that they would.
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Mark
Have, yeah.
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Mark
Don't work anymore right?
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Sarah
Like when you're doing a play, you know, anything before like 1949 would be so dark and bleak and sad. Yes. That if they wanted to make a show about a priest and church extravaganza and scones, they couldn't set it then.
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Mark
And and later on in these episodes, I don't I'm not sure if it's referenced in any of the episodes that we're going to cover. But he was in the war. He was in the Second World War, and he makes reference to that.
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Sarah
Father Brown Yeah. Yes. And so do we ever learn his first name? He doesn't have a first name, right?
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Mark
He doesn't have a first name in the books. Different people say it's John, but it's just Father Brown.
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Sarah
Wow. And in these years, you know, one in five men was named John.
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Mark
Yeah, exactly.
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Mark
So.
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Mark
But his war back story, I really like that he had gone through that and he's still like in the second episode that we're going to do the Apollo episode, it deals with the trauma of war, but it also deals with with Father Brown, not being affected by that trauma.
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Sarah
Well, and I think it's an important this is not fun stuff, but I think it's an important thing to remember that though this is set in 1953, this episode as every man, every person really, but specifically the men that you're seeing, they have all been at war. All of them. Yeah. The pre, the priest, the reverend, the Iron Smith, the biologist, you know, Norman, the jerk face who gets killed.
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Sarah
All of them have been to war. Yep. And all of the women have dealt with rationing and, you know, giving up their country estates to the military and worrying about, you know, spouses and brothers and sons going away. They've all been through that.
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Mark
I love the way that especially this episode really talks about the end of rationing without talking about the end of rationing.
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Sarah
They mess up.
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Mark
They do?
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Sarah
Yeah. Okay. Let's just talk about 1953 before there's a.
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Mark
Lot to go on with 1950.
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Sarah
Three. We know that it's 1953 because that's what's on Elizabeth's confession when she signs the date is there. Oh, goodness.
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Mark
June 15th is when the murder happens. In the 16th is when she confesses.
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Sarah
Okay, so we're mid-June.
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Mark
And.
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Mark
They screw up today. By the way, it's actually Monday, Tuesday instead of Thursday.
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Sarah
The 60 calendar. Yes or so and.
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Mark
53 gal.
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Sarah
And let me tell you about 1953.
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Mark
It is.
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Mark
Perfectly set. They do a really good job.
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Sarah
Yes. They make one mistake. We'll talk about.
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Mark
The of the day.
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Sarah
It's it's interesting that we're talking about this now. Yes. Because 1953, June 2nd, so a week and a half before this happens in this timeline, Queen Elizabeth, the second was had her coronation day.
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Mark
They should have more bunting everywhere.
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Sarah
Well, they would have taken the bunting down a week and a half later.
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Mark
I don't know. It was a pretty big deal.
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Sarah
Yeah, but I would have expected maybe a little reference to it.
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Mark
A reference show.
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Sarah
Would have been on TV. Yeah. So and everybody knows who's listening, but just in the last day or so, she died.
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
So it's sad, remember? But this is the year that she had her coronation, which was a big deal.
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Mark
You know, an unabashed midsummer fan like. Absolutely Love Midsummer.
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Sarah
Oh, Liz. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She liked Midsummer.
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Mark
She loved Midsummer. You see lots of pictures of her and John Nettles online. She was a fan. I bet you she watched Father Brown.
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Sarah
I bet you she didn't.
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Mark
I bet you she did.
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Sarah
Apparently, she liked to take box sets with her when she went away to the world to watch stuff.
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Mark
Okay.
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Sarah
So I think she was a binge or too.
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Mark
Oh, I think so. It must be weird. Liz. I love Liz, but can you imagine her watching this episode going? I was coronated like three weeks.
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Sarah
They didn't even mention it.
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Mark
Didn't even mention.
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Sarah
I can't I can't separate Queen Elizabeth now from Russell Howard's impression of her.
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Mark
Well, yes.
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Sarah
Every time he jokes about her, he makes her sound so bad.
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Mark
Ass.
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Mark
And it's that impression is done of love.
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Sarah
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. You have to see him. Russell Howard, talk about Queen Elizabeth meeting Trump. It's so funny. Yeah. Sense of fun. Absolutely. So the other things that happened in 1953, in February of that year, Watson and Crick discovered DNA. Yeah. So that was a big deal. Casino Royale, the first James Bond book, was released in April, just before this, just a few days after this, in June.
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Sarah
John Christy was sentenced to death. Christy was a big deal. He murdered his wife and eight other people. Wow. He was sentenced to death. And he hung he was hanged in June, July one, just a month later. Things are different now. Yeah. Yeah. So here's the mistake they made. Sugar rationing didn't end until October.
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Mark
Oh, okay.
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Sarah
So in June, Mr. would still be pretty tight with the sugar for her scones. Now, that doesn't mean that she didn't save up enough to do it, but there wouldn't be nearly as many sweets on the table as there would have been before. Rationing or much or after this.
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Mark
The other thing that happened at this exact time. So in 52, Alan Turing is arrested for being a homosexual.
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Sarah
Alan Turing, who built the Enigma machine that allowed the Brits to decipher German coded messages and really change the tide.
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Mark
This is when all the Bletchley Park stuff starts to come out.
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Sarah
If you haven't seen that show go out.
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Mark
And then then 54 is when he's chemically castrated and is devastated and commits suicide. That also is in the background here.
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Sarah
Yeah. So when Philip Walker, the the entomologist in this episode is confronted about being gay and he's scared, he's got reason to be terrified.
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Mark
Because a major news story is happening every day. Yeah. About a war hero who we know who the press now has turned on because he's homosexual.
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Sarah
Yeah. So that was top of mind. Yeah. The other thing is that there were still a lot of police Polish resettlement camps in the UK. So Suzy was in the camp. Yeah. And they which is.
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Mark
In an old it's an airfield that would have been used during the.
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Sarah
War. Yeah. Those are called Nissen huts.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
And they were invented by a guy named Nissen. Okay. In America we call them Quonset huts. Yeah. Because that's where they were built in on a in a factory on a point in Rhode Island that's called concept point.
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Mark
Okay.
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Sarah
But they're corrugated sheet metal bent into temporary. Yeah, Yeah. But like starting in 1947, the Polish refugees in the UK were were given rights officially. So they can file for unemployment. They could get jobs without getting special paperwork. They were basically de facto UK citizens. All of a sudden this.
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Mark
Is a period of great migration.
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Mark
Yeah, all.
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Mark
Over the immigration and migration, all over Europe especially.
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Sarah
Yeah, well by 1949, a quarter of a million Polish troops were in the UK with their families.
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Mark
Mm.
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Sarah
That's a lot of people. Yeah. That is quarter of a million people back then. So that's the world in which this episode happens.
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Mark
And they're clearly making reference to all those things.
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Sarah
And sorry for all the seriousness here, but we just wanted to kind of set that up.
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Mark
We start with the most unsexy, sexy scene.
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Sarah
Oh my gosh, can we all just agree that Norman should die earlier than he does?
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Mark
Well, I'm like.
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Mark
Going, Do.
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Sarah
You want to kill him constantly?
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Mark
I'm going to postulate that his brother is a worse human being than he is.
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Sarah
Oh, I know. I don't disagree with that at all.
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Mark
Oh, my.
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Sarah
God. At least Norman's nasty on the outside. Yeah, the rev is nasty on the inside.
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Mark
When the Rev goes to Father Brown and says you should accuse this other guy, I'm like.
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Mark
Now.
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Sarah
When he's happy to have Simeon go to jail.
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Mark
Yeah, Yeah.
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Sarah
I think if Simeon had been arrested, none of this happens.
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Mark
Going to happen.
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Sarah
No, he would have just been hanged. And that would have been it. Yeah. And the Rev would have been like, done. Yeah. Norman, though, his hypocrisy makes me so angry. Which, of course is supposed to, Right? Yeah. So he's pointing the finger at Elizabeth, saying, you know, in the Bible, people who didn't pay their debts were stoned to death.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
Meanwhile, he's blackmailing a married woman to have sex with him and threatening the life of her husband. Yeah, but she's the bad one.
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Mark
Oh, yeah. I just want to slap him.
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Mark
He is horrendous. So then we get the. The Father Brown titles. Now, the Father Brown titles are in silhouette and is clearly.
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Mark
After a third.
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Mark
It is Adobe after all.
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Sarah
Yeah, that's the software they would have use. They're beautiful, though. I love them so much.
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Mark
They're beautiful.
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Mark
I fit.
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Mark
The show.
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Sarah
Perfectly. I'm on his little bike and it's just got the little flash of white from his collar and his glasses and that's all. That's all it takes, you know, it's him.
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Mark
So Father Brown is introduced on his bike and, oh, boy, let me tell you, I went down a rabbit hole.
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Sarah
Well, there are serious bike nerds out there.
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Mark
There are serious bike nerds out there. And I'm going to put two pages in the show notes of arguments over the bike.
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Sarah
Over whether it's right.
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Mark
Yes. Whether or not it should have reflectors on the pedals the way it does, whether or not it should have brakes like that.
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Sarah
That's serious minutia.
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Mark
It is.
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Mark
Serious minutia.
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Sarah
My favorite thing about his bike is that it's black.
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
It matches this.
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Mark
Classic.
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Mark
I had somebody I read somebody who went through catalogs and said they couldn't find an all black bike like that at that time.
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Mark
I'm like, wow, you are a maniac.
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Sarah
You think there wasn't somebody who made bikes for Preece?
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Mark
Yeah.
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Mark
I got to think like.
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Sarah
Somebody whose job it was was to give precise spikes and they painted them black before they gave them to them because they were that made them modest.
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Mark
Oh, like, like whole discussions of vendors and chrome and all of this.
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Mark
Wow.
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Sarah
Genes say it is a minimal bike. It is not super fancy.
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Mark
You know.
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Mark
And it's.
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Sarah
Functional. It's how he gets around.
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Mark
And then there's a point in the post where it kind of slows down and then somebody finds a picture of the bike with just a bike in full view. And then there are also again.
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Sarah
How does this classic not get caught up in his bike?
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Mark
I don't.
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Mark
Know. You should have the little ring thing on his pants.
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Sarah
No, not his pants leg. His coat.
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Mark
Is long. Yeah.
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Sarah
I almost want him to, like, bundle it up at his waist and, like, tuck it into his pockets before he gets on his bike.
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Mark
Now, I.
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Sarah
Just keep thinking, like he doesn't really. Does he have wheel covers? Is there a fender on his back? Well, I.
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Mark
Think so.
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Sarah
Because he would get so much blood on his casket.
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Mark
There's discussion of that. But yeah.
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Mark
Of course.
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Sarah
There is.
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Mark
And then the bike appears slightly different in the title. And so there's discussion of the bike in the purses.
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Sarah
Thank you for sparing us all that, telling us about how awesome the argument is and not telling us all about the argument. I don't think I can handle it.
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Mark
I was I was down that rabbit hole like quite a while and he so he rides through town, integrate introductions.
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Sarah
Yeah.
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Mark
And then they do again the the, the writing of this is so good because it's like, oh we're having a fight in which we, two Pete two groups are coming to an interfaith extravaganza. So everybody has to introduce themselves. Yes. What do you.
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Sarah
Know? Because people don't know each other. Hi, Mrs. M's award winning strawberry scones. Yeah, they irritate me. I now tell you why they irritate me. I'm fine with her being proud of her scones. Yes. I don't doubt that they would be award winning. That they were really, really tasty. Yes. They are not the right thing to bring to a pitch n No, because there's eight.
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Mark
There's eight of them.
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Mark
That's plus plus.
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Sarah
Not enough for everybody.
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Mark
I looked at probably 15 stone recipes, strawberry stone recipes, and nobody does them like she does. Where she makes the stone, cuts it in half. Put strawberries and the cream. Everybody puts the strawberries in the stone.
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Sarah
Oh, well, the way she makes them is the way you would kind of assemble it yourself.
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Mark
Okay.
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Sarah
When you were having tea.
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Mark
Okay.
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Sarah
The question is, does she put clotted cream on them.
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Mark
Or whipped cream.
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Mark
There? Yeah.
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Sarah
Yeah. Don't. Don't.
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Mark
There are people trying to recreate that recipe all over the.
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Sarah
Oh, wow. It's just a stone with strawberry and cream on it.
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Mark
I love how the words Catholic and Anglican are not said in this episode, but.
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Mark
It is everywhere where.
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Sarah
Oh, they are said Oh, because Norman calls them out on their rituals and everything. And yeah.
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Mark
He says Catholic, but nobody says Anglican.
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Sarah
Oh, I thought he did. Are you sure? Oh, I think he does. Maybe because I didn't know what Reverend Bohan was into. He may say Church of England.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Mark
He says, Steve. And then, then you're like, oh, scones. And everybody get introduced. And then Mrs. McCarthy is the meanest human being on the planet.
00;16;38;16 - 00;16;48;08
Sarah
She's so nasty, Susie. Now, and this is something that happens every episode in these early seasons. Mrs. M is nasty. And then she's good at the end.
00;16;48;10 - 00;16;48;25
Mark
That she's.
00;16;48;25 - 00;16;54;28
Sarah
Nasty. She's good at end. And then eventually the writers go, Maybe she just shouldn't be nasty.
00;16;54;28 - 00;16;55;21
Mark
Yes.
00;16;55;23 - 00;17;07;01
Sarah
And she still is totally gossipy and full of information, but not nearly as nasty. Yeah, but in this first season, she's sexist, she's racist, she's nasty to immigrants.
00;17;07;01 - 00;17;08;18
Mark
Oh, she's mean.
00;17;08;18 - 00;17;18;12
Sarah
The kids like. And then. But. But every episode, she redeems herself at the end in some little way that clearly doesn't really count because she's nasty again at the beginning of the next one.
00;17;18;13 - 00;17;24;14
Mark
Yes. Now, I know that the guy who wrote this is named Tarzan Gooner.
00;17;24;18 - 00;17;25;09
Mark
Mm hmm.
00;17;25;12 - 00;17;34;00
Mark
And he he's written a couple other shows, like all new tricks and stuff like that. But he is a student of all of this.
00;17;34;01 - 00;17;34;15
Sarah
Oh, yeah.
00;17;34;16 - 00;17;46;12
Mark
Because the clock tower is done. That is a difference. Like the clock tower has already been funded. They're not. They're not raising money to get the clock tower. Yeah, it's already done.
00;17;46;12 - 00;17;48;17
Sarah
It's a clock stuck on the side of a tower.
00;17;48;18 - 00;17;49;23
Mark
Oh, my.
00;17;49;23 - 00;17;50;23
Mark
Yes.
00;17;50;25 - 00;18;02;04
Mark
And in an episode where they did so good with other clocks, the clock tower clock is bad. Mm hmm. Father Brown has a pocket watch. It is an Ingersoll Triumph's.
00;18;02;07 - 00;18;02;20
Sarah
Okay.
00;18;02;21 - 00;18;03;05
Mark
Okay.
00;18;03;10 - 00;18;04;22
Sarah
Is this another nerd pit?
00;18;04;22 - 00;18;05;19
Mark
Oh, boy.
00;18;05;22 - 00;18;07;23
Sarah
We knew Nerd Bill Art.
00;18;07;25 - 00;18;08;24
Mark
So?
00;18;08;26 - 00;18;18;01
Mark
So I have a question. So, first of all, that the hands are painted with the glow in the dark stuff that causes cancer.
00;18;18;01 - 00;18;18;17
Sarah
Radium.
00;18;18;17 - 00;18;22;04
Mark
The radium stuff. So that watch is radioactive.
00;18;22;05 - 00;18;28;05
Sarah
Yeah, but the paint itself is not bad. It's the fact that the radium girls lick their brushes.
00;18;28;07 - 00;18;29;03
Mark
They ingested.
00;18;29;03 - 00;18;30;10
Sarah
It. That's how they got it. Yeah.
00;18;30;16 - 00;18;46;09
Mark
It's so tiny. Yeah. That inside the the dial is another set of numbers. So you have a beautiful set of black numbers on white and on the outside. The bureau is a gorgeous watch, but there's an inner set of blue numbers. Do you know.
00;18;46;09 - 00;18;46;24
Mark
Why?
00;18;46;26 - 00;18;56;20
Mark
No, They're the military time numbers. And I wonder people in England use military time all the time. They don't say the show is on at 7:00. They say 19.
00;18;56;20 - 00;18;58;03
Mark
Hundred. Yeah, I.
00;18;58;05 - 00;19;03;19
Sarah
Says the majority of UK people use military time on a regular basis, but.
00;19;03;21 - 00;19;12;07
Mark
Teams do, except for in this episode they don't. They see the train is at 2 p.m.. I think they probably remove the military stuff.
00;19;12;07 - 00;19;16;10
Sarah
Because it's kind of a throwback to the war that everybody wants to stop thinking.
00;19;16;10 - 00;19;16;26
Mark
About.
00;19;16;26 - 00;19;22;06
Mark
I think it's just more accessible all over the world as a show if you say 2 p.m..
00;19;22;06 - 00;19;26;00
Sarah
But also in 1953, who wants to be thinking of military time?
00;19;26;01 - 00;19;38;04
Mark
I could not find that watch. I found watches from that year. I found watches from the previous year, but that watch with the blue numbers inside and it must be incredibly rare.
00;19;38;05 - 00;19;42;18
Sarah
Maybe it's a military issue. Maybe it could be because in the war, because.
00;19;42;18 - 00;19;44;28
Mark
I found that watch without the blue numbers.
00;19;44;29 - 00;19;46;05
Sarah
Is it a valuable watch?
00;19;46;05 - 00;19;51;01
Mark
You know, watches are weird. Yeah. You know, I didn't look at prices, but.
00;19;51;01 - 00;19;56;04
Sarah
So can we talk about the scene where Norman is drinking from? Straight from the wine bottle? Yes.
00;19;56;06 - 00;20;01;04
Mark
So, Norman drives up in that car, which is gorgeous. I'm like, Oh, that's a gorgeous car.
00;20;01;06 - 00;20;02;01
Sarah
Here comes the jerk.
00;20;02;01 - 00;20;04;17
Mark
Where is he driving from?
00;20;04;20 - 00;20;09;20
Sarah
I don't know. His estate. The last scene of his being a jerk.
00;20;09;23 - 00;20;11;18
Mark
Which is in their house.
00;20;11;25 - 00;20;13;22
Mark
Yeah. So, okay.
00;20;13;24 - 00;20;19;18
Mark
Norman is awful to her. Leaves his wallet, goes out to the back of the house.
00;20;19;18 - 00;20;21;03
Sarah
Then drives his car around the block.
00;20;21;03 - 00;20;22;09
Mark
Driving past the.
00;20;22;15 - 00;20;41;04
Sarah
Extravaganza. So he's. He's awful, right? He offends everybody standing there. Yes. And then Philip says, I don't know. I don't mind, Norman. I think it's refreshing. I think he's the one who says it. It may be Father Brown who says it's refreshing. And Mrs. M says, As refreshing as I use Twilight. And then she's like.
00;20;41;04 - 00;20;42;14
Mark
Oh, sorry.
00;20;42;16 - 00;20;48;03
Sarah
Pardon me. It's like she's possessed for a second. Yeah, It's like your mother makes something out or something.
00;20;48;03 - 00;20;49;27
Mark
I don't. It just comes out of her.
00;20;49;27 - 00;20;51;15
Mark
Yeah, it's really weird.
00;20;51;15 - 00;20;52;22
Sarah
It's so crude.
00;20;52;22 - 00;20;57;21
Mark
Yeah. You're just turned floating around like, Whoa, Mrs. M.
00;20;57;23 - 00;21;05;00
Sarah
Real it back, lady. She's. She's always really offended by anybody who disrespects Father Brown.
00;21;05;05 - 00;21;06;00
Mark
And she does it.
00;21;06;00 - 00;21;07;13
Mark
All the time.
00;21;07;15 - 00;21;13;13
Sarah
It does. It's not the same. Yes, Mrs. M has a heart in there somewhere. It doesn't always.
00;21;13;13 - 00;21;15;23
Mark
Show. Not shown as well in these.
00;21;15;23 - 00;21;28;15
Sarah
But she is never disrespectful to him. Now she raises him like a sister or a wife. Yes. Or a mother. But she's never disrespectful to him as a member of the church.
00;21;28;15 - 00;21;32;23
Mark
She's very much not a husband and wife. It's very much siblings.
00;21;32;25 - 00;22;05;16
Sarah
Yeah, He's like a nagging older sister, more than anything. Yes. I read a really interesting, very dry article that compared Sherlock Holmes, Hercule Poirot and Father Brown to DuPont, Poe's original detective. Yes. And it was really interesting because what they said was that the reason why Brown is different is that Holmes and Poro are very scientific. Yes. And they look a lot at evidence and they look a lot at the impact that a crime has had on the scene and on other people.
00;22;05;21 - 00;22;10;05
Sarah
But Brown solves mysteries by empathizing with the criminal.
00;22;10;05 - 00;22;13;18
Mark
And that's really clear in the original story. And the key.
00;22;13;21 - 00;22;15;28
Sarah
Points insulting the criminals shoes.
00;22;15;28 - 00;22;16;27
Mark
Version. Yeah.
00;22;17;02 - 00;22;22;14
Sarah
And his goal is never justice. It's reform. And to save their soul.
00;22;22;14 - 00;22;32;26
Mark
Yeah that that's clear right from the very beginning and we joked the last episode that he's the least Catholic Catholic priest ever but he is concerned for their morals.
00;22;33;00 - 00;22;49;20
Sarah
The fact that he doesn't care that Norman and Phillip are gay. Yeah, that he likes that goal. In a Catholic, he would have had to say something about it like, Oh, and that's kind of bad too. But the more important thing right now is this. Yeah, you know, we can talk about that later, but this is more important.
00;22;49;20 - 00;22;53;10
Sarah
But I don't think he ever would have said, like, I don't really care about that.
00;22;53;12 - 00;22;54;14
Mark
So the husband.
00;22;54;16 - 00;23;05;17
Mark
The husband finds the wallet and did you notice that prop that that wallet, the way it's put together? And he pulls out the Sonny Oaks Golf Club.
00;23;05;17 - 00;23;06;16
Sarah
Membership card.
00;23;06;17 - 00;23;09;03
Mark
Membership card with Norman's signature.
00;23;09;03 - 00;23;11;06
Sarah
Course. Norman's a member of a golf club.
00;23;11;10 - 00;23;22;26
Mark
But everything in that wallet is perfect. Yeah. I really want to point out to the people who did the production specifically on that wallet, there is a hero. Props shown for one shot.
00;23;22;27 - 00;23;23;11
Sarah
It's good.
00;23;23;16 - 00;23;26;28
Mark
It is perfect. It's worn in the right places.
00;23;26;28 - 00;23;37;21
Sarah
And oh, this show's always great about costuming, it's great about props, it's great about sets. Yeah, because it's only in the fifties. It's not that far back. What did you make, though, of Elizabeth and Simeon's Kitchen?
00;23;37;25 - 00;23;39;12
Mark
It was kind of weird.
00;23;39;19 - 00;23;44;23
Sarah
Did people use tools as decoration back then? To me, that's more of a modern.
00;23;44;25 - 00;23;54;19
Mark
I was weirded out because it's June and he's working in the in the forge, and then he comes home for lunch and he has this heavy wool coat on.
00;23;54;20 - 00;23;56;13
Sarah
Yeah, I don't know why he put that on of.
00;23;56;14 - 00;23;57;14
Mark
Your heavy wool.
00;23;57;16 - 00;23;59;00
Sarah
Because the forge is in their yard.
00;23;59;04 - 00;24;05;15
Mark
And then you feel bad because you feel so bad for her because her husband is also crappy to her.
00;24;05;22 - 00;24;10;16
Sarah
I think he's nice. I think he really loves her. I think their relationship is good.
00;24;10;16 - 00;24;16;28
Mark
I think so too. But worst showing that he's frustrated here and he takes it out on her a little.
00;24;16;28 - 00;24;29;27
Sarah
Bit, but he immediately. Yeah. Pulls it back. Yeah, immediately. Yes, I think he's frustrated because they're in debt. Yeah. And maybe she's not being sensitive enough to that and he feels guilty now. The debt is.
00;24;29;27 - 00;24;34;29
Mark
His debt is his problem. He is not a perfect man by no stretch of the imagination.
00;24;35;00 - 00;24;40;27
Sarah
So Elizabeth is being blackmailed by Norman about Simeon's debt.
00;24;41;03 - 00;24;44;07
Mark
Which is £50, she says later.
00;24;44;07 - 00;24;51;02
Sarah
On, which, according to the inflation calculator I looked at, would be £979 now.
00;24;51;02 - 00;24;53;19
Mark
Or about 1700 American dollars.
00;24;53;22 - 00;25;03;11
Sarah
You had a higher number. Yeah. Yeah. So Norman has forgiven this debt. What does Simeon why, what excuse was given to Simeon that the debt was forgiven?
00;25;03;12 - 00;25;05;03
Mark
I don't know. I don't know.
00;25;05;07 - 00;25;10;03
Sarah
Does he think Norman just forgave it out of the goodness of his heart? Because I don't think he would believe that.
00;25;10;04 - 00;25;11;21
Mark
No, I don't think so either.
00;25;11;21 - 00;25;17;22
Sarah
And they can't say to Simeon, Oh, well, I've decided to forgive it in exchange for having sex with your wife.
00;25;17;26 - 00;25;18;16
Mark
Yeah.
00;25;18;18 - 00;25;19;24
Sarah
That's not going to fly.
00;25;19;24 - 00;25;25;13
Mark
Obviously, though, he might say something like, I've made other arrangements and touches.
00;25;25;13 - 00;25;28;20
Sarah
Knows which Simeon would still pop him in the face.
00;25;28;20 - 00;25;28;29
Mark
For.
00;25;28;29 - 00;25;30;14
Mark
Yes, I think so too.
00;25;30;17 - 00;25;39;13
Sarah
But when I did the math. So Norman has taken advantage of Elizabeth twice and he says two more times will do it. Yeah. So four times.
00;25;39;16 - 00;25;39;29
Mark
Yes.
00;25;40;02 - 00;25;47;22
Sarah
So four divided into $979, he thinks she's worth about 225 a time.
00;25;47;25 - 00;25;48;13
Mark
Wow.
00;25;48;17 - 00;25;59;23
Sarah
I don't I don't know how to feel about that. On one hand, I'm like, that's incredibly cheap. She's a value, but on the other hand, that's not that much money. They're going to lose their house over owing £50.
00;25;59;28 - 00;26;03;02
Mark
I think it's a lot more money to them than we realize.
00;26;03;08 - 00;26;16;19
Sarah
Yeah, I guess. I mean, obviously she doesn't work outside of the house and he's a blacksmith, which can't be a hugely lucrative thing. But I don't know what it is he's making. He's making a blended stick and I don't know what he's forging that end to.
00;26;16;25 - 00;26;23;24
Mark
This episode needs a discussion of evolution that lasts for two sentences.
00;26;23;26 - 00;26;34;15
Sarah
We just have to see that Father Brown is respectful of science, that he doesn't reject science. That's all that scene is for. When Father Brown is talking to Philip about evolution.
00;26;34;15 - 00;26;41;25
Mark
I have in my mind my notes. Oh, you poor, smart, liberal, well-dressed, gay guy.
00;26;41;28 - 00;26;45;04
Sarah
I don't have time for the findings of a sycophant now.
00;26;45;04 - 00;26;51;13
Mark
And Father Brown, every time somebody says you wouldn't be interested it, Father Brown says no. Tell me more about it.
00;26;51;14 - 00;26;52;14
Sarah
Yeah, I would be.
00;26;52;20 - 00;26;55;29
Mark
That is extremely part of his character.
00;26;55;29 - 00;26;57;12
Sarah
Yeah. That he likes to learn.
00;26;57;12 - 00;27;01;20
Mark
And then we need somebody to scream at dead bodies now and in the future.
00;27;01;20 - 00;27;05;18
Mark
And we have incomes. Lady Felicia. Lady Felicia.
00;27;05;18 - 00;27;08;20
Sarah
Nancy. Carol has a long history of screaming.
00;27;08;20 - 00;27;12;17
Mark
Yes, she's absolutely made summer. And this.
00;27;12;21 - 00;27;21;07
Sarah
Yes, in midsummer she was Connie Bishop in the Great and the Good and screamed out of her own window on several occasions. And then she was also in hidden death.
00;27;21;10 - 00;27;28;29
Mark
Yeah, I think she maybe held the record for most bodies found because she found so many bodies in this episode and in this series.
00;27;28;29 - 00;27;36;06
Sarah
Yeah. Oh, and Father Brown, she finds a lot of bodies. Yeah. Yeah. Recently she was in Murder in Provence.
00;27;36;06 - 00;27;38;12
Mark
Yes. And she's fantastic.
00;27;38;12 - 00;27;44;20
Sarah
With Roger Allen. Yeah, We enjoyed it. Yeah, but I'm not sure.
00;27;44;21 - 00;27;45;07
Mark
I liked.
00;27;45;07 - 00;27;52;20
Sarah
It. There's a lot of debate about it. Like, do you know they're actually supposed to be French people? Oh, they're not expats. They're actually French people.
00;27;52;20 - 00;27;53;11
Mark
French people?
00;27;53;11 - 00;27;56;28
Sarah
Oh, no, They're not supposed to be Brits living in France. They're supposed to be French.
00;27;56;28 - 00;27;57;18
Mark
I don't know if.
00;27;57;25 - 00;27;59;17
Sarah
You understand that. If you go watch it.
00;27;59;17 - 00;28;03;16
Mark
I don't know if Roger Allen could pull off a French accent and not some crazy.
00;28;03;16 - 00;28;05;00
Mark
Name with all.
00;28;05;02 - 00;28;12;03
Mark
These all sounds like Pepe le plu. Which brings up my next point, which is she mentions Carmen have been there.
00;28;12;05 - 00;28;12;25
Sarah
Yeah.
00;28;12;28 - 00;28;16;17
Mark
Because she's going to sing it and that's from BJ's. Carmen.
00;28;16;21 - 00;28;20;03
Sarah
They have a nice string quartet there for an extravaganza.
00;28;20;09 - 00;28;23;14
Mark
That totally riffs off Bolero the whole time.
00;28;23;14 - 00;28;26;29
Mark
Yeah, they're like a downer if they learn.
00;28;26;29 - 00;28;28;11
Sarah
If you're doing a song for the day.
00;28;28;13 - 00;28;34;25
Mark
If you're not familiar with that music, I'm going to put it, I'm going to put Maria Callas is version of it.
00;28;35;00 - 00;28;36;01
Sarah
It is iconic.
00;28;36;08 - 00;28;46;29
Mark
It is iconic, and you know that music immediately. But this is a rebellious word, it bird that no one can tame it.
00;28;47;02 - 00;28;49;09
Sarah
Great voice. Yeah, she really can sing.
00;28;49;09 - 00;28;55;19
Mark
Yeah, it's her introduction in the in the play in the opera and it fits perfectly here.
00;28;55;20 - 00;28;58;20
Sarah
I forgot how skinny Nancy Carol is.
00;28;58;22 - 00;29;00;03
Mark
So skinny.
00;29;00;03 - 00;29;15;05
Sarah
She's super thin. And they put shrugs on her and hats on her and dresses on her that try to fill her out a little bit. But she. Yeah, yeah, I'm not I'm not saying she's too skinny, but I forget she is so thin.
00;29;15;06 - 00;29;39;07
Mark
So then there's a whole bunch of machinations here of people to get create red herrings. All right, So people disperse throughout the dome luncheon in the church and everything. And we see Suzy arguing with Norman, and we see the scientist arguing with Philip. Yes, Philip, I have corduroy, so I must be gay or.
00;29;39;12 - 00;29;40;09
Sarah
Or an academic.
00;29;40;09 - 00;29;43;19
Mark
Yes. And so it gets it gets there, right?
00;29;43;20 - 00;29;46;28
Sarah
It means that a lot of people had opportunity and motive.
00;29;47;00 - 00;30;03;26
Mark
The only one I don't like is when the brother, the brothers are in the directory. And he says, according to Father's will, I can do this. I would have been like a that would have been read when fathers Norman would have been extremely interested in what he got it.
00;30;03;28 - 00;30;04;19
Mark
Yes.
00;30;04;22 - 00;30;07;01
Mark
So he would have known that clause.
00;30;07;01 - 00;30;07;15
Mark
Yeah.
00;30;07;16 - 00;30;11;11
Mark
And then he says, well you should read the Bible. I'm like, Well, you shouldn't kill people.
00;30;11;17 - 00;30;17;05
Sarah
Yeah, maybe you should do so. The reverend is quick to blame, Simeon.
00;30;17;10 - 00;30;23;06
Mark
So, lady Felicia finds the body. It's a did crash like an angel.
00;30;23;09 - 00;30;25;10
Sarah
And there's even bone fragments in the ground.
00;30;25;10 - 00;30;26;22
Mark
Yeah, like, really?
00;30;26;22 - 00;30;30;11
Sarah
Did you have to say that in front of everybody? Valentine.
00;30;30;18 - 00;30;39;25
Mark
Valentine is a character that will be defined much better in the future episodes. But here he's just. I'm straight out of Dashiell Hammett.
00;30;39;25 - 00;30;43;27
Mark
He's got the hat, the trench coat to go. Why does he have a.
00;30;43;27 - 00;30;44;14
Mark
Trench coat.
00;30;44;14 - 00;30;46;23
Mark
On? It's who you need.
00;30;46;23 - 00;30;48;00
Mark
You never knew.
00;30;48;00 - 00;30;48;28
Sarah
Because it's part of his.
00;30;48;28 - 00;30;51;13
Mark
Costume. He's got to have got to be serious.
00;30;51;15 - 00;30;57;11
Sarah
Inspector Valentine, played by Hugo Speer, who was in a midsummer. Not in my backyard.
00;30;57;12 - 00;31;01;26
Mark
Yes, he's he is. I think he's one of my favorite detectives.
00;31;01;26 - 00;31;06;23
Sarah
I like the detectives on this show. Yeah. When they change them up, they just they're new, but they're good.
00;31;06;26 - 00;31;15;00
Mark
Yes. And both brothers are horrible here. Horrible. And everyone's pointing the finger at Simeon, and she says, I did it.
00;31;15;02 - 00;31;19;16
Sarah
The reverend sees the bus come and grabs Simeon and throws him under it.
00;31;19;16 - 00;31;22;21
Mark
Yeah, He goes, Look, look, look, look, look. He's under the bus. I thought.
00;31;22;23 - 00;31;24;14
Mark
He's so horrible.
00;31;24;14 - 00;31;25;21
Sarah
When he knows he did.
00;31;25;21 - 00;31;26;15
Mark
It. Yeah.
00;31;26;18 - 00;31;39;05
Sarah
The only thing that stops him at all is Elizabeth saying I did it. Yeah. So he's perfectly fine with Simeon hanging for his crime, but not Elizabeth. Yeah, I think the reverend is in love with Elizabeth.
00;31;39;08 - 00;31;40;14
Mark
Oh, he definitely.
00;31;40;14 - 00;31;46;02
Sarah
I think he'd find it very convenient if Simeon was put to death. And he says to Elizabeth.
00;31;46;03 - 00;31;48;26
Mark
Because he can get married. So. Yeah, I think so.
00;31;48;26 - 00;31;50;07
Sarah
And he is definitely single.
00;31;50;09 - 00;31;53;22
Mark
So then he goes, sits on a hill.
00;31;53;25 - 00;31;54;13
Mark
And ponders.
00;31;54;13 - 00;31;54;22
Sarah
Things.
00;31;54;22 - 00;32;01;24
Mark
Father Brown walks the mile up to the hill to see him, and he gets there. He's like, Oh, how did you get here? He would have.
00;32;01;24 - 00;32;02;25
Mark
Seen them coming up the.
00;32;02;25 - 00;32;05;21
Mark
Hill. And I said, Where's your little bike now, Father?
00;32;05;23 - 00;32;09;06
Sarah
It is one of Father Brown's talents that he is kind of everywhere.
00;32;09;08 - 00;32;10;23
Mark
Yeah, you know he is.
00;32;10;27 - 00;32;14;11
Sarah
And if he's not there, Mrs. M is. So she falls into planter.
00;32;14;11 - 00;32;19;25
Mark
You always look for mysteries. Well, yes, because you're clearly the killer.
00;32;19;28 - 00;32;37;06
Sarah
Yeah, but I do think it's interesting to know that he already has a reputation as somebody who likes to solve mysteries. He's. He already has a reputation as somebody who sticks their nose into things. Yeah, the police are aware of him already. They already respect him as somebody who can be useful. Yeah. So this is not his first rodeo.
00;32;37;08 - 00;32;47;23
Mark
Yeah. And so then we get the reference here to crosswords and spy novels. And we both wondered what spy novel that would be. And it would be Casino Royale.
00;32;47;25 - 00;32;54;02
Sarah
Certainly. I mean, that wasn't the first spy novel ever. It would have been. It would have been a really recent one, and it would have been a big deal.
00;32;54;02 - 00;32;55;11
Mark
It was a huge book.
00;32;55;11 - 00;32;56;27
Sarah
Yeah, So definitely.
00;32;56;28 - 00;33;16;12
Mark
So then we see the sign confession and to which I'm like, it says on the bottom of the statement, this signed confession, I'm like, Do they have separate pages for confessions and statements? Yeah, I would think it's probably a statement and that that is just an error that you just have one pad that's for statements.
00;33;16;13 - 00;33;27;11
Sarah
Oh, I don't know. This was the era of forms that you typed on. I would not be surprised if they had witness statements and confessions separate.
00;33;27;18 - 00;33;35;02
Mark
I did look at the tape very closely because I loved typewriters of this period. Are my wheelhouse.
00;33;35;02 - 00;33;36;03
Sarah
You are super nerdy.
00;33;36;03 - 00;33;51;09
Mark
This I am super nerdy. They talk about the seal of the confession, which I think you know, I think when the seal of the confessional was written into into Catholic law, I think mystery writers everywhere went.
00;33;51;14 - 00;33;56;13
Mark
Yes, we now have a thing that you could use all the.
00;33;56;13 - 00;34;08;00
Sarah
Time that would be so handy now that we can't use mysterious identical twins, we can use the seal of the confession. You know, Father Brown is really good at never violating it.
00;34;08;00 - 00;34;09;11
Mark
No, he never does.
00;34;09;11 - 00;34;11;11
Sarah
He sticks to his guns, so.
00;34;11;11 - 00;34;13;08
Mark
He says, quid pro quo here.
00;34;13;09 - 00;34;14;01
Sarah
Valentine.
00;34;14;01 - 00;34;32;19
Mark
Time says. And that got me wondering about Vatican two because I was like, When did Vatican two happen? So Vatican two is when the Roman Catholic church moved away from Latin. It's a whole bunch of things, but when they moved away from Latin, their services to English in their services didn't.
00;34;32;20 - 00;34;37;03
Sarah
Didn't the priest turn around then to usurp actually facing the congregation.
00;34;37;03 - 00;34;48;13
Mark
Which I also assume English Roman Catholic priests took to heart right away. I'm not sure, but I would think so. But that was in the sixties. So he would still be doing Latin well.
00;34;48;13 - 00;34;56;17
Sarah
And anyone who had any exposure to Catholic school or church would have would know some Latin phrases.
00;34;56;21 - 00;35;06;04
Mark
Father Brown, SEAL of the confessional reads The spy novels Great human being accepts the evolutionary gay guy. Awesome person breaks.
00;35;06;04 - 00;35;09;08
Mark
The law right here to break the law.
00;35;09;10 - 00;35;11;16
Sarah
Just goes in the Valentines office and reveals.
00;35;11;16 - 00;35;14;14
Mark
The stats in the office and replies, Well.
00;35;14;16 - 00;35;17;26
Sarah
You know, it's for the greater good. It's not hurting anybody.
00;35;17;26 - 00;35;28;15
Mark
Oh six 2153 This is where we get the dates. It's really rare that they put dates on things and we get this such a close look. Did you notice his office? Kind of looks like a bedroom?
00;35;28;20 - 00;35;29;16
Mark
Yeah, it's.
00;35;29;16 - 00;35;30;01
Mark
Weird.
00;35;30;03 - 00;35;39;16
Sarah
Yeah, I think we're supposed to understand that he spends a lot of time there. Yeah, it's not a big police force, you know? Yeah. Do we know the name of the village?
00;35;39;16 - 00;35;40;16
Mark
It's Camelford.
00;35;40;16 - 00;35;41;03
Sarah
That's right.
00;35;41;10 - 00;35;42;11
Mark
There's a sign.
00;35;42;11 - 00;35;43;14
Sarah
That always Father.
00;35;43;14 - 00;35;46;02
Mark
Brown drives past when he rides his bike.
00;35;46;02 - 00;35;50;00
Sarah
Yes, Camelford. Yes. There's men in a barn betting on horses.
00;35;50;01 - 00;35;51;29
Mark
That speakeasy is just.
00;35;51;29 - 00;35;53;24
Sarah
For Simeon's losing his money.
00;35;53;29 - 00;35;58;29
Mark
So the Hurst Park card is what they talk about. And it Hearst.
00;35;58;29 - 00;36;00;02
Sarah
Park is a race race.
00;36;00;06 - 00;36;03;22
Mark
Course, and it goes from 1890 to 1962.
00;36;03;22 - 00;36;05;23
Sarah
So they're listening to it on the radio.
00;36;05;23 - 00;36;15;17
Mark
Yeah, and there's JS disinfectant also in this discussion of Suzy and that that disinfectant is still made and still has that logo.
00;36;15;18 - 00;36;17;14
Sarah
Is it still in concentrate like that.
00;36;17;14 - 00;36;18;02
Mark
Yep, it.
00;36;18;02 - 00;36;20;11
Sarah
Is because it looks like medicine or alcohol.
00;36;20;11 - 00;36;24;08
Mark
Yeah. It's Not in brown black. They were but yeah.
00;36;24;14 - 00;36;29;20
Sarah
So the, the horses that are mentioned are Bride of Frankenstein. Yeah. Fluffy duck.
00;36;29;23 - 00;36;30;03
Mark
Yep.
00;36;30;11 - 00;36;32;11
Sarah
But Eternal passion wins.
00;36;32;12 - 00;36;42;26
Mark
Yes. Father Brown gets it wrong. He doesn't. It's not. It's never. Both this series in the 74 series, Father Brown never has any mystical life.
00;36;42;26 - 00;36;44;11
Sarah
Oh, God, no, no.
00;36;44;11 - 00;36;44;23
Mark
No.
00;36;44;28 - 00;36;45;18
Sarah
No, not at.
00;36;45;18 - 00;36;57;22
Mark
All. The train to London is at 2 p.m.. Susie's trying to get away because she obviously knows that she's going to get blamed. Why does Norman not try to get on with her?
00;36;57;23 - 00;37;05;21
Sarah
I think because he sees her below him and so humiliating her wouldn't be satisfying either.
00;37;05;21 - 00;37;09;15
Mark
I don't know. He seems to be full of appetite. So the Smiths.
00;37;09;16 - 00;37;12;17
Sarah
And she says he tried and she shut him down.
00;37;12;17 - 00;37;29;07
Mark
Yeah. The clock on the wall at the train station is a Smith Electric wall clock, which would that is used in train station talked about and the Smiths English Clocks Ltd has they're not in working anymore but there's a website I'll put in the notes.
00;37;29;14 - 00;37;31;06
Sarah
I'm laughing because you're such a.
00;37;31;06 - 00;37;35;20
Mark
Nerd. The train wreck comes up. Oh no. Oh Oxford.
00;37;35;20 - 00;37;41;19
Mark
GW are 6559. Class 7903. I'm for Mark Hall.
00;37;41;20 - 00;37;42;27
Sarah
I'm sorry.
00;37;42;29 - 00;37;45;18
Mark
It's absolutely that train perfect.
00;37;45;18 - 00;37;49;07
Sarah
Meanwhile, I'm like those nuns at the coffee shop. Sure are nosey.
00;37;49;07 - 00;37;50;09
Mark
Well, okay.
00;37;50;11 - 00;37;53;06
Mark
Sarah, we have some controversy here.
00;37;53;07 - 00;37;53;29
Sarah
It's not.
00;37;53;29 - 00;37;54;18
Mark
Her.
00;37;54;18 - 00;37;56;10
Mark
But it is meant to look.
00;37;56;10 - 00;38;03;23
Sarah
Like. No, you just is wearing the glasses that women of that era in that lifestyle wore.
00;38;03;25 - 00;38;04;14
Mark
I use.
00;38;04;16 - 00;38;05;18
Sarah
Mark thinks.
00;38;05;18 - 00;38;07;00
Mark
We are one of the nine.
00;38;07;02 - 00;38;14;17
Mark
Who made this show on this show. So we can ask them is that where you got the idea? Is that a precursor? Is that you're.
00;38;14;20 - 00;38;22;18
Sarah
Basing that on Mark thinks that the two nuns that are in the train station he thinks the one in the glasses is supposed to be a reference to Sister Boniface.
00;38;22;18 - 00;38;23;21
Mark
Because it looks just like.
00;38;23;21 - 00;38;36;24
Sarah
Her. Okay. Anybody in a habit looks just like anybody and a habit, and she just happens to have glasses, which Sister Boniface also has. So you're saying that two women who are the same outfit and both wear glasses are the same person? That's what you're saying?
00;38;36;24 - 00;38;38;19
Mark
No, because I.
00;38;38;21 - 00;38;42;18
Mark
I all the credits for this episode.
00;38;42;21 - 00;38;47;04
Mark
To see of Lord of Watch was some production person or there.
00;38;47;05 - 00;38;48;13
Sarah
No places on if.
00;38;48;15 - 00;38;49;12
Mark
They're not credit.
00;38;49;12 - 00;38;52;13
Sarah
What are the nuns names what does he call them Sister.
00;38;52;13 - 00;38;53;28
Mark
Margaret and Sister Mary.
00;38;53;28 - 00;38;55;17
Sarah
What is Sister Boniface his first name?
00;38;55;18 - 00;38;56;17
Mark
Elizabeth.
00;38;56;17 - 00;38;58;09
Sarah
I think neither of them.
00;38;58;11 - 00;38;59;04
Mark
Okay.
00;38;59;06 - 00;39;02;01
Sarah
Elizabeth, do you need any more proof person that.
00;39;02;03 - 00;39;05;26
Mark
I just think they got the idea from it? I just think I.
00;39;05;26 - 00;39;07;29
Sarah
Think they were familiar with nuns in glasses.
00;39;08;03 - 00;39;13;21
Mark
Yes. So it just struck me. Okay.
00;39;13;23 - 00;39;16;24
Mark
Susie tells Father Browne what's going on.
00;39;16;24 - 00;39;27;19
Sarah
Yeah. That she caught Norman and Philip together and has been blackmailing him. Okay, But she's been blackmailing him on benefit of the community. Like when he gives her the big.
00;39;27;19 - 00;39;29;03
Mark
£10.
00;39;29;05 - 00;39;32;04
Sarah
And tells her to run off to London and never be seen again.
00;39;32;04 - 00;39;34;02
Mark
Yeah, like I said, not.
00;39;34;02 - 00;39;36;23
Sarah
Enough money for anybody. Even with inflation.
00;39;36;27 - 00;39;46;09
Mark
And think the writers do such a good job here of making it period appropriate and yet not making it goofy or funny.
00;39;46;09 - 00;39;49;12
Sarah
Yeah, yeah. It's not exaggerated.
00;39;49;13 - 00;40;06;25
Mark
Also, I do have a problem with this episode that anyone with a brain would immediately know that she is not. I want a scene with Father Brown and Valentine where Valentine goes, my hands are tied, but we both know what's going on.
00;40;06;27 - 00;40;08;16
Sarah
I think there is kind of that.
00;40;08;16 - 00;40;09;03
Mark
Kind of.
00;40;09;04 - 00;40;15;13
Sarah
When she takes her confession back. Yeah, he's like, I know, but I can't do anything.
00;40;15;13 - 00;40;19;27
Mark
He makes a reference to the courts of a assizes.
00;40;19;27 - 00;40;20;26
Mark
Yes.
00;40;20;28 - 00;40;27;14
Mark
There are periodic courts that are held around England and Wales until 1972, basically they didn't have enough towards.
00;40;27;18 - 00;40;28;18
Sarah
Their travel in court.
00;40;28;18 - 00;40;38;15
Mark
Yeah, they travel around like they did this in the Old West, too. The judge would come to town once a month and do all the courts. It was much easier for the judge to move around.
00;40;38;21 - 00;40;44;03
Sarah
Than to bring all the bad people to a central court in which they might get away during transportation.
00;40;44;04 - 00;41;09;18
Mark
Yeah. And then we have this great scene, which I think is really important to the writers in this episode, because they change what happens in this episode, in the story and in the 19 four show, Norman is killed for a different reason than here. And I think this moment at the pond is the central moment of this episode where he says, I'm terrified.
00;41;09;19 - 00;41;19;10
Mark
Yeah. And Father Brown basically says, Your secret's safe with me. And I really kind of don't care. I'm trying to find out why this man got killed.
00;41;19;12 - 00;41;30;02
Sarah
Because in the original, Norman is bad and, well, the reverend is mad at him enough to kill him because he takes advantage of somebody who is intellectually disabled.
00;41;30;02 - 00;41;31;08
Mark
Yeah, right. That's it.
00;41;31;11 - 00;41;43;10
Sarah
That's his big mean thing. Yeah, but in this version, the Reverend is angry enough to kill him because he knows that he's having some kind of sex with up in the gardens shack in the cemetery.
00;41;43;10 - 00;41;56;18
Mark
And. And I was going to get this in the end, but we can talk about this now. In this version, he throws that hammer with the intention of killing his brother. Yeah. While in the story and first version.
00;41;56;20 - 00;41;56;27
Sarah
In the.
00;41;56;27 - 00;42;03;00
Mark
Set kind of says, I dropped this hammer and God made it go to kill him.
00;42;03;00 - 00;42;08;05
Sarah
I dropped it. It could have fallen on the ground, but it didn't. And that was because God drove it to his head.
00;42;08;07 - 00;42;14;29
Mark
And why I think this scene is important and why he's a bad guy is because that original.
00;42;15;03 - 00;42;16;23
Sarah
Myself is an entomologist.
00;42;16;24 - 00;42;24;26
Mark
Yeah, Norman is has this helmet on. And his brother says it was just like the hammer had this green bug, this green beetle.
00;42;24;28 - 00;42;28;22
Sarah
It killed him even though he had a helmet on. So why was he wearing a helmet?
00;42;28;26 - 00;42;29;27
Mark
Because in.
00;42;29;27 - 00;42;30;13
Sarah
The original.
00;42;30;15 - 00;42;33;22
Mark
I forget. Okay, But I think that's why he's a bug guy here.
00;42;33;22 - 00;42;36;18
Sarah
I think it's kind of a reach, but I'll go with that, so I'll let you have it.
00;42;36;22 - 00;42;38;10
Mark
Okay, then.
00;42;38;13 - 00;42;56;00
Sarah
The other thing is, if you've never watched Father Brown before, that there's this little twist that happens at the end of every episode when when Father Brown confronts the criminal and he says, I know you did it. Yeah. Consistently. He says, I know you did it, but you can repent. Yeah. You're still going to go to prison. Don't get me wrong.
00;42;56;00 - 00;43;11;15
Sarah
I'm not saying you can get away with this, but more importantly, you have to confess to God. You have to save your soul because you are going to go to prison. But your soul is not irredeemable. And some people like that. He does that and some people dislike that. He does.
00;43;11;15 - 00;43;13;23
Mark
And he does that consistently.
00;43;13;23 - 00;43;22;27
Sarah
No matter how bad the criminal is, no matter how nasty they are, he always offers to hear their confession. Yeah, and to help them save their soul.
00;43;23;01 - 00;43;37;12
Mark
He says The truth is what's important, not who did it or jail or anything. It's the truth. Father Brown confronts him up the tower. He. He makes a motion to jump off. And Father Brown convinces him not to do that.
00;43;37;18 - 00;43;39;12
Sarah
But the Rav is not sorry.
00;43;39;12 - 00;43;43;28
Mark
No, the Rev is not sorry. He says it was guided by God.
00;43;43;29 - 00;43;46;07
Sarah
I didn't do it. God did it.
00;43;46;07 - 00;43;46;26
Mark
God.
00;43;46;26 - 00;43;48;17
Sarah
All I did was throw the hammer.
00;43;48;17 - 00;43;48;25
Mark
At.
00;43;48;25 - 00;43;57;17
Mark
Father Brown. Does the perfect mad Father Brown here? Yeah. Where he goes. Don't let God be your scapegoat.
00;43;57;19 - 00;44;00;16
Sarah
And it's very much a how dare you it.
00;44;00;18 - 00;44;01;09
Mark
Wow.
00;44;01;11 - 00;44;12;09
Sarah
Which, whether you believe in God or not, is really satisfying. Yeah. He's like, You are not going to get away with that. With that excuse, It doesn't fly with me or with anybody else.
00;44;12;09 - 00;44;14;27
Mark
But the Rev has a career that he's missing here.
00;44;15;04 - 00;44;15;25
Sarah
Yeah.
00;44;15;28 - 00;44;37;00
Mark
He is the luckiest shot in the entire world. Okay, folks, I went outside of our house. We have a deck. I have a hammer that I use to help split wood and stuff in the backyard. And I threw the hammer from the deck, and I'm like, No way. You hitting anything. Certainly not something 50 feet away.
00;44;37;01 - 00;44;46;09
Sarah
How many experiments do you do off our back deck? You drop knives off of there, now you're throwing hammers off the back deck. Never mind. Norman is not like underneath him.
00;44;46;09 - 00;44;47;23
Mark
No, He's.
00;44;47;25 - 00;44;51;15
Sarah
20, 30 feet away from the church wall. He's got to throw it.
00;44;51;15 - 00;44;56;01
Mark
Out in the 74 show. And the story. He's right beside the church.
00;44;56;01 - 00;44;59;28
Sarah
Yeah, he basically just drop it off the edge. Yeah, but this one.
00;44;59;28 - 00;45;01;19
Mark
It's like.
00;45;01;21 - 00;45;02;16
Sarah
He. Yeah, he.
00;45;02;16 - 00;45;04;09
Mark
Needs a little, like, laser.
00;45;04;09 - 00;45;08;15
Mark
Pointer. Did do do do locked on brown.
00;45;08;21 - 00;45;09;28
Sarah
Did you feel it.
00;45;10;00 - 00;45;12;10
Mark
Oh yeah. Like, man it would hurt.
00;45;12;13 - 00;45;18;21
Mark
And they do this great shot where he falls down just as Lady Felicia goes outside.
00;45;18;23 - 00;45;19;12
Mark
Yeah.
00;45;19;14 - 00;45;23;12
Mark
And like, I really like that shot. I think they did that That was a nice.
00;45;23;12 - 00;45;35;03
Sarah
She was just at the door and the reverend couldn't know that she was just at the door. And then she went in and throws the hammer and she comes back. Yeah. She could have easily seen the hammer fly.
00;45;35;03 - 00;45;36;28
Mark
Yeah, she could easily.
00;45;36;28 - 00;45;42;22
Sarah
And if she did, they would have known exactly who did it right then and there. Yeah. Let's talk about title for a second.
00;45;42;23 - 00;45;44;03
Mark
Okay. Hammer of God.
00;45;44;03 - 00;45;49;19
Sarah
Because the rabbi says God did it. Yes, Right. I was just his instrument. God did it.
00;45;49;19 - 00;45;51;23
Mark
God made me go to the blacksmith's shop.
00;45;51;23 - 00;45;52;16
Mark
To get to.
00;45;52;22 - 00;45;54;15
Sarah
Borrow a hammer to fix the clock.
00;45;54;18 - 00;45;54;28
Mark
Yeah.
00;45;54;28 - 00;45;57;11
Mark
My brother, he was going to fix that clock.
00;45;57;17 - 00;46;04;17
Sarah
So is God's hammer. The hammer does the Reverend see himself as God's hammer?
00;46;04;19 - 00;46;05;29
Mark
So this is a loan larger.
00;46;06;02 - 00;46;09;13
Sarah
Is Father Brown the real hammer of God?
00;46;09;15 - 00;46;15;24
Mark
Because. So there's a long tradition of people being objects of God, the sword of God.
00;46;15;24 - 00;46;16;16
Sarah
The right hand.
00;46;16;16 - 00;46;23;02
Mark
The right hand of God. You know, that that is a well-known tradition that is not Christian based, Right?
00;46;23;04 - 00;46;25;12
Sarah
So it's not exclusive to Christianity.
00;46;25;12 - 00;46;27;14
Mark
But Hammer is a modern thing.
00;46;27;15 - 00;46;28;01
Mark
No, no.
00;46;28;04 - 00;46;28;20
Sarah
In the Bible.
00;46;28;20 - 00;46;31;04
Mark
It's in them. I look for the word hammer the Bible.
00;46;31;04 - 00;46;32;17
Sarah
Oh, it's all over the place.
00;46;32;19 - 00;46;34;26
Mark
It's all about gold in the Bible.
00;46;34;26 - 00;46;35;24
Mark
No, God.
00;46;35;27 - 00;46;47;06
Sarah
God says, I wish I'd written it down. I'm not a biblical scholar. Okay, But he says, Am I not a hammer that I like? Break up the hearts of men who are like stones?
00;46;47;07 - 00;46;48;00
Mark
To me.
00;46;48;02 - 00;46;52;12
Mark
That's a new that's a New Testament reference, I think. Well, you're talking.
00;46;52;12 - 00;46;54;05
Sarah
Okay, but that was written well before this.
00;46;54;09 - 00;46;59;00
Mark
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You saw like, a modern thing.
00;46;59;02 - 00;47;05;01
Mark
That I think is what you're referencing. If you say Father Brown's the hammer of God.
00;47;05;01 - 00;47;09;06
Sarah
Yeah. Like, he's like he is the symbol of righteousness.
00;47;09;08 - 00;47;09;21
Mark
Yes.
00;47;09;25 - 00;47;15;16
Sarah
And of smiting. I mean, he doesn't like, throw the reverend off the roof or anything.
00;47;15;16 - 00;47;16;05
Mark
No, but.
00;47;16;11 - 00;47;27;17
Sarah
He's definitely not going to let him get away with this. No. You know, he's going to definitely turn him in if he doesn't turn himself in for sure. Yeah. Suzy has made a dish. She made a dish for the extravaganza.
00;47;27;17 - 00;47;34;05
Mark
Yes. And it's not really talked about the name of it doesn't appear in the subtitles Very well.
00;47;34;07 - 00;47;35;16
Sarah
It doesn't appear at all.
00;47;35;17 - 00;47;38;13
Mark
No, they kind of just go. Oh, never mind.
00;47;38;15 - 00;47;54;00
Sarah
She and and, and I'll tell you that the actress who plays Suzy Cassia Collette, is Polish. Yes, she's actually Polish. When Father Brown tastes it at the extravaganza, it's clear that it's like a spaghetti.
00;47;54;06 - 00;47;55;15
Mark
That like a noodle eating.
00;47;55;16 - 00;47;58;19
Sarah
Like a noodle is like a cold noodle salad kind of thing.
00;47;58;26 - 00;48;01;07
Mark
Doesn't go with strawberry score.
00;48;01;10 - 00;48;06;17
Sarah
Well, there's there's a selection of things in the pigeon. People bring what they want. But what Suzy.
00;48;06;19 - 00;48;08;16
Mark
Said, we got to eat more before I do this.
00;48;08;16 - 00;48;10;28
Mark
Podcast. My stomach's like a rumbling.
00;48;11;00 - 00;48;23;17
Sarah
What Suzy calls it then, and it's very quick sound, something like GROSS is making. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. I'm like, I got to know what this is. I looked all over the place, right?
00;48;23;17 - 00;48;24;22
Mark
This is your rabbit hole.
00;48;24;22 - 00;48;37;05
Sarah
And then I found a board of people who are Polish, Polish, American, discussing all kinds of things. And one of the things that somebody asked about is this dish.
00;48;37;11 - 00;48;38;08
Mark
In this scene.
00;48;38;08 - 00;49;02;15
Sarah
In this scene philosophically is what they're talking about. And these are people who clearly know what they're talking about. Yeah, skimmed around the other threads. They know what they're talking about. And what they say is they think what she's actually made is something called Clu Ski Club Johnny or Club Jump. I can't sit or clue Ski and clue Ski is like noodle or dumpling.
00;49;02;16 - 00;49;29;04
Sarah
Okay. McCluskey Ski is potato dumplings that are sort of like noodles, vodka. But Clue ski club Johnny is probably closer because they're noodles that you sort of drop into boiling water. So they're like almost like a batter that you drop into and it forms into noodles and that would be more spaghetti like, yeah, but then I went a little bit further because I'm like, No, it looks like pasta.
00;49;29;04 - 00;49;30;22
Sarah
It makes like spaghetti and.
00;49;30;22 - 00;49;33;00
Mark
Make in the face. I'm a little worried here.
00;49;33;00 - 00;49;36;29
Sarah
And I found this very well known Polish pasta dish.
00;49;36;29 - 00;49;38;04
Mark
Okay.
00;49;38;06 - 00;49;57;25
Sarah
Now, I'm not saying that people around the world can't eat their own stuff and that I have to like it, you know, whatever you like. Fine. Great. And I also know that a lot of recipes, traditional recipes, originate out of not having a whole lot to put together. You know, you don't have everything to choose from. You make do with what you have.
00;49;57;28 - 00;50;08;01
Sarah
It's a lot of traditional recipes are born out of necessity, but I don't think there's any explanation for this one. Are you ready? Okay. This is a well known Polish pasta dish. Okay? It is pasta with strawberries.
00;50;08;04 - 00;50;11;18
Mark
We're not now making fun of Polish people for their food.
00;50;11;18 - 00;50;13;13
Sarah
It is pasta with strawberry sauce.
00;50;13;20 - 00;50;15;27
Mark
This dish is not good.
00;50;16;00 - 00;50;19;12
Sarah
It is like ziti with a sauce made from strawberries.
00;50;19;12 - 00;50;20;23
Mark
Is it served cold or warm?
00;50;20;28 - 00;50;21;27
Sarah
Pasta's warm.
00;50;21;29 - 00;50;24;11
Mark
The sauce is cold. And it's.
00;50;24;13 - 00;50;25;00
Mark
Got all the.
00;50;25;02 - 00;50;31;01
Sarah
Stuff. You got to listen. Okay? It's made with strawberries. Okay. Sour cream, honey and vanilla.
00;50;31;03 - 00;50;32;00
Mark
That's okay.
00;50;32;03 - 00;50;32;27
Sarah
And that's over.
00;50;32;27 - 00;50;33;11
Mark
Pasta?
00;50;33;16 - 00;50;36;02
Mark
Yeah, it should be over ice cream.
00;50;36;02 - 00;50;37;05
Sarah
It's dessert.
00;50;37;07 - 00;50;38;26
Mark
Yeah, it's dessert pasta.
00;50;38;28 - 00;50;39;28
Mark
I just can't.
00;50;40;02 - 00;50;53;09
Sarah
Oh, I'm glad they like it. Hey, if you like it, great. Convince me. Yeah, Somebody convinced me if you had it. Yes. It sounds like ruining two good dishes. Like you could just have the pasta and you could have that strawberry sauce on just about anything.
00;50;53;09 - 00;50;53;25
Mark
Yes, a.
00;50;53;25 - 00;50;57;01
Sarah
Scone. Yeah. Toast? Yeah. He would be better.
00;50;57;06 - 00;51;02;23
Mark
Yes. Why would you want. You could ask Why would you do that?
00;51;02;23 - 00;51;05;14
Sarah
I can't think of a single dessert made with pasta.
00;51;05;15 - 00;51;07;06
Mark
No, I don't like cold food.
00;51;07;06 - 00;51;09;09
Sarah
So that's your problem? Yeah.
00;51;09;13 - 00;51;12;10
Mark
Anyhow, that is hammer of God.
00;51;12;11 - 00;51;23;21
Sarah
Let me tell you one more thing before we go. Okay? That is funny. So I'm looking into Catholics, right? Because what I want to know and it's such a stupid question, probably Browns cassock has a whole bunch of buttons on the front.
00;51;23;21 - 00;51;24;04
Mark
Yes.
00;51;24;06 - 00;51;25;19
Mark
Do you think to wear his pants under that?
00;51;25;19 - 00;51;26;12
Sarah
He definitely does.
00;51;26;16 - 00;51;30;24
Mark
Covers up the screwdriver of God.
00;51;30;27 - 00;51;42;17
Sarah
Mark Williams is but which we saw on the other day. I want to know whether they're real buttons because what a hassle. Yeah, right. That's a lot of buttons so a lot of their wedding dresses that have little satin buttons down the back and underneath a zipper.
00;51;42;17 - 00;51;43;21
Mark
Yeah, there's a fake.
00;51;43;21 - 00;52;02;24
Sarah
But yeah, I mean so I wanted to know. So I go looking around to see if in the fifties Catholics would have had real buttons. Yeah. And I find out that they have this thing called they call it like a Chesterfield front. Yes. Where they're fake buttons. And underneath there are buttons, but they're bigger and there's fewer of them like under a fly.
00;52;02;25 - 00;52;12;14
Sarah
Yeah, right. I find this great description on Wikipedia explaining that for ease of use, they did this with the buttons, right? And then the next link I go to is on Amazon.
00;52;12;19 - 00;52;12;24
Mark
Yeah.
00;52;12;28 - 00;52;15;05
Sarah
For a cassock that you can buy.
00;52;15;08 - 00;52;15;18
Mark
Yes.
00;52;15;23 - 00;52;33;02
Sarah
That isn't a costume. It's not a cheap cassock. It's being sold by an ecumenical costume. Ecumenical equipment company. Yes. They sell serious stuff. They do. Yeah. A black wool cassock. Yes, I read the description. It sounds familiar. I go back to Wikipedia. It's the same.
00;52;33;02 - 00;52;36;01
Mark
Text on both pages.
00;52;36;03 - 00;52;44;15
Sarah
So either Wikipedia has stolen a description from an Amazon page or the cassock company copied and pasted Wikipedia for their Amazon page.
00;52;44;15 - 00;52;47;20
Mark
Now that is it. I want to know the answer.
00;52;47;20 - 00;52;53;15
Sarah
But there's no reference see on either one might go and we saw this from Wikipedia or this is copied from a Catholic description.
00;52;53;15 - 00;52;55;25
Mark
And this I and it's not fair. That's weird.
00;52;55;26 - 00;53;03;06
Sarah
It's not very well written either. So they both made bad choices. Anyhow, he didn't have to button all those buttons. There's probably just a few buttons underneath it.
00;53;03;06 - 00;53;04;20
Mark
Oh, you old woman.
00;53;04;22 - 00;53;39;28
Sarah
Yeah. Mrs. M learns to make the recipe that we don't know. Yeah, Susie tries it. A lot of people say, and I don't know this for sure if you're a Catholic or you were raised Catholic or have experience with this, you can let us know that you're not supposed to eat before you take communion. Yeah. And so Susie, tasting it on the way into church is kind of a big deal because either she's making a pretty big mistake that she's eating something or she knows she shouldn't, and she's eating it anyway to be to show goodwill towards Mrs. M all I kept thinking this is what life was like before Tupperware.
00;53;40;05 - 00;53;41;15
Mark
Yes.
00;53;41;17 - 00;53;51;09
Sarah
That you had to have a bowl with a cloth on it to take food to a party. She sticks her fingers right. The ball that, my friends, is hammer of God.
00;53;51;10 - 00;53;52;09
Mark
Yeah. We don't have our.
00;53;52;09 - 00;53;53;21
Sarah
Introduction to Father Brown.
00;53;53;21 - 00;53;55;13
Mark
We don't have a best corpse because we just.
00;53;55;14 - 00;53;56;19
Sarah
There's only the one.
00;53;56;19 - 00;53;57;29
Mark
What about after the credits?
00;53;58;06 - 00;53;59;18
Mark
Oh.
00;53;59;20 - 00;54;11;29
Sarah
I think Elizabeth and Simeon are going to be just fine. I don't know who's going to take over the Bohan estate when one brother is dead and the other one's going to prison. Maybe they have a sister who's decent to take over.
00;54;11;29 - 00;54;14;05
Mark
She should be taking all the money.
00;54;14;07 - 00;54;19;09
Sarah
I think Philip are our entomologist, is going to be just fine. I hope he.
00;54;19;09 - 00;54;20;23
Mark
Finds a nice man in London.
00;54;20;24 - 00;54;22;06
Mark
Yeah, Yeah, that's it.
00;54;22;08 - 00;54;23;08
Mark
Okay.
00;54;23;11 - 00;54;27;17
Sarah
I don't have a horrible movie for you this time. All these people, all these actors have made good choices.
00;54;27;23 - 00;54;28;05
Mark
Yes.
00;54;28;05 - 00;54;29;10
Sarah
I'm not what they're going to be here.
00;54;29;10 - 00;54;31;25
Mark
And you can find.
00;54;31;27 - 00;54;33;04
Sarah
You can find us everywhere.
00;54;33;07 - 00;54;33;21
Mark
Yes.
00;54;33;25 - 00;54;39;15
Mark
On Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, email, all that good stuff. Again, we're still taking off on Instagram.
00;54;39;15 - 00;54;41;00
Sarah
What's our next Father Brown?
00;54;41;00 - 00;54;48;18
Mark
Our next Father Brown is season one, Episode six, which is the eye of Apollo.
00;54;48;21 - 00;54;50;00
Mark
Oh, it's a good.
00;54;50;03 - 00;54;51;24
Mark
It's a very, very good.
00;54;51;27 - 00;54;56;26
Sarah
We always have to do the first one. Not that the first episode is bad. He God is it is a good episode.
00;54;56;26 - 00;55;02;23
Mark
They do so many things right in this episode. I remember when we saw it, we first were like Father Brown.
00;55;02;29 - 00;55;06;01
Mark
Yeah. And it started Potato Vision. Yeah, yeah, Yes.
00;55;06;01 - 00;55;12;25
Mark
And then we saw it was Mark Williams and we're like, Yes, he's awesome. And then we watched that first episode and we're like, Oh, we got to watch another one.
00;55;12;25 - 00;55;13;26
Sarah
This is going to be good.
00;55;13;26 - 00;55;14;23
Mark
Yeah, this is going.
00;55;14;23 - 00;55;31;23
Sarah
To be good. So the next one we're going to do is episode six of this season. Feel free to watch all the ones in between if you haven't seen them for sure. But if you can't and you skip right to episode six, you will be fine. Yeah, they're very good at not relying on each episode in order.
00;55;31;28 - 00;55;39;20
Mark
If you worry about continuity with these episodes, you got to watch the first and the last episode of each season because that's where I need real change.
00;55;39;20 - 00;55;43;05
Sarah
The big story arcs happen like characters come and go and things like that.
00;55;43;05 - 00;55;46;21
Mark
But you have the first and last episode, so.
00;55;46;23 - 00;55;49;07
Sarah
All right, so until next time.
00;55;49;10 - 00;55;50;20
Mark
Buy Maniacs.
00;55;50;20 - 00;55;55;20
Sarah
Buy me X, your mother, Mexicans and how.
00;55;55;22 - 00;56;29;28
Mark
Hey, welcome back, maniacs. It's Marc. And I just want to intersect quickly because I've added on to this episode a little part from episode 140, where we discuss getting an email from Jude Tindle, who solves the sister bond first conspire C for us. And after that I've added some audio outtakes for you to enjoy. After the theme music, I hope you like them by Maniacs.
00;56;30;00 - 00;56;31;26
Sarah
And last but not least.
00;56;31;26 - 00;56;32;23
Mark
But not least.
00;56;32;23 - 00;56;39;07
Sarah
This is my favorite announcement of the week. Before we dive in. We're not quoting.
00;56;39;07 - 00;56;40;03
Mark
An end.
00;56;40;03 - 00;56;41;00
Sarah
Except a lot.
00;56;41;00 - 00;56;44;00
Mark
To this sister. The first conspiracy is the.
00;56;44;00 - 00;56;47;03
Sarah
Train station sister by an office conspiracy.
00;56;47;05 - 00;56;58;22
Mark
So just to reiterate, I noticed in episode one of the new father Browns that in the background of the scene in the train station, there was a woman who looked quite a bit like.
00;56;58;24 - 00;57;06;14
Sarah
There are two nuns sitting there, one wearing glasses. And you said, I think that's Lorna Watson. I think that's Sister Boniface in the background.
00;57;06;18 - 00;57;08;27
Mark
Yes. This divided the Internet.
00;57;08;28 - 00;57;11;10
Sarah
I disagreed vehemently.
00;57;11;11 - 00;57;13;16
Mark
Some were in.
00;57;13;18 - 00;57;22;08
Mark
Camp Sarah that said no, There was one person on Facebook that just said because I posted is a question and they said, no.
00;57;22;10 - 00;57;24;08
Mark
That was their entire comment.
00;57;24;10 - 00;57;25;19
Sarah
You don't need to argue it.
00;57;25;19 - 00;57;26;22
Mark
It's obvious.
00;57;26;25 - 00;57;36;15
Mark
But there were others who sent me pictures of the two of them together, which I was like, yes, yes, absolutely. And said, sorry, Sarah, this is true.
00;57;36;15 - 00;57;40;15
Sarah
And I was like, are nuns? And glasses are not all identical.
00;57;40;16 - 00;57;45;18
Mark
We argued about this on an episode and we now have.
00;57;45;18 - 00;57;48;15
Mark
Different means to to pursue.
00;57;48;18 - 00;57;50;26
Sarah
Debate in this. But now we have a definitive answer.
00;57;50;26 - 00;57;53;15
Mark
We have a definitive answer because.
00;57;53;15 - 00;57;57;14
Sarah
You sent messages to everyone you could related to that.
00;57;57;14 - 00;57;59;15
Mark
Episode and ask them.
00;57;59;15 - 00;58;04;20
Mark
We reached out to a couple of people we know in England and see if we could get in touch with.
00;58;04;20 - 00;58;04;29
Mark
People.
00;58;04;29 - 00;58;10;06
Sarah
Who even looked at Lorna Watson's filmography to see if she was filming says.
00;58;10;08 - 00;58;13;11
Mark
I wish I could do that.
00;58;13;13 - 00;58;17;02
Sarah
And you had a corkboard with Red String on it?
00;58;17;02 - 00;58;19;20
Mark
Practically, yeah.
00;58;19;23 - 00;58;44;29
Mark
And two days ago from when we're recording this, we got an email from one dude Tindle Mm hmm. Who is Jude Tindle in the name may be familiar because he basically wrote Every Father Brown that we cover. Mm hmm. She wrote Christmas episodes. I think she wrote the Halloween episode. She wrote a whole bunch of them. She's also the co-creator of Sister Bond Fan.
00;58;45;02 - 00;58;45;24
Mark
And.
00;58;46;01 - 00;58;47;12
Mark
Shakespeare. Anne Hathaway.
00;58;47;13 - 00;58;48;23
Mark
Mm hmm.
00;58;48;25 - 00;58;52;11
Sarah
A.K.A. somebody who will definitely know.
00;58;52;11 - 00;59;02;01
Mark
So she says the following. I was sent your podcast on The Bride of Christ. I really enjoyed your forensic critiques.
00;59;02;03 - 00;59;03;18
Mark
That's a nice way of putting it.
00;59;03;18 - 00;59;14;07
Mark
It's a very nice, fabulous stuff, and I hope I can answer one question as I wrote the episode. And then she goes on to answer the question and she's a very nice lady.
00;59;14;07 - 00;59;17;27
Sarah
Read it, read it.
00;59;17;29 - 00;59;20;03
Mark
She says, and hope.
00;59;20;03 - 00;59;40;04
Mark
I can answer a question. As I wrote the episode, it wasn't Laura in the background of the other episode. You're quite right. They're transmitted out of order. And in fact, episode six was the last one written in which time the one with the bespectacled supporting card artist had already been shot.
00;59;40;09 - 00;59;41;07
Mark
And.
00;59;41;09 - 00;59;41;28
Mark
So on.
00;59;41;29 - 00;59;43;00
Mark
And so.
00;59;43;00 - 00;59;45;27
Sarah
On. What does it say?
00;59;46;00 - 00;59;54;12
Mark
As our Bee's blog for the episode said EARNEST eyes behind owl glasses because she's a buffoon.
00;59;54;16 - 00;59;55;12
Mark
Yes.
00;59;55;15 - 01;00;00;24
Mark
So what does that translate that for our American viewers?
01;00;00;27 - 01;00;14;03
Sarah
The description of the character is that she should wear glasses. Yeah, because she's a sciency person. Yes, but the nun in the train station is not Sister Boniface.
01;00;14;03 - 01;00;15;04
Mark
No, it is not.
01;00;15;04 - 01;00;17;11
Sarah
This is definitive. This is.
01;00;17;11 - 01;00;18;04
Mark
Definitely.
01;00;18;08 - 01;00;22;29
Sarah
Lorna Watson has been on the set. She was not there. No, it is not her.
01;00;22;29 - 01;00;25;20
Mark
I was wrong completely and utterly.
01;00;25;23 - 01;00;28;19
Sarah
And me and my camp were right.
01;00;28;26 - 01;00;29;26
Mark
Yes, you were.
01;00;29;29 - 01;00;31;03
Mark
Yes.
01;00;31;06 - 01;00;47;29
Sarah
Listeners, the man before me sucks the fun out of being right. I can tell you he does this whole. Oh, you were right. I was wrong. Okay? You can't even. He just. You can't go. It's no fun. You can't be like Nina, nene or Nene Nina, because he's like, Oh, okay, I was wrong.
01;00;48;02 - 01;00;48;27
Mark
You ruined it.
01;00;48;27 - 01;00;50;25
Mark
If this wasn't as definitive.
01;00;50;25 - 01;00;51;19
Mark
As it is.
01;00;51;19 - 01;00;52;29
Mark
I would still be trying to.
01;00;52;29 - 01;00;56;14
Mark
Find. This is pretty definitive.
01;00;56;14 - 01;00;57;23
Sarah
Yeah. Yeah.
01;00;57;29 - 01;01;02;04
Mark
How amazing is it that we got an email from Judith?
01;01;02;07 - 01;01;06;27
Sarah
I know. That's incredible. And it's so nice of her to settle the argument.
01;01;06;27 - 01;01;19;25
Mark
I was mean to Sarah. I sent her a text that said I have a definitive answer on the sister Bond. First conspiracy. And that is all I said.
01;01;19;28 - 01;01;23;25
Sarah
I didn't speed home that day to get back to find out.
01;01;23;25 - 01;01;49;24
Mark
The other part of this is we now have dude Jindal's email address in every other family except for mine that.
01;01;49;27 - 01;01;50;09
Mark
You know.
01;01;50;13 - 01;01;51;29
Sarah
And every other family but yours.
01;01;51;29 - 01;01;53;10
Mark
I don't know what I would say in there.
01;01;53;11 - 01;01;53;28
Sarah
I don't either.
01;01;53;28 - 01;01;55;01
Mark
We're going to have to skip that.
01;01;55;01 - 01;02;02;21
Sarah
Yeah, because people are going to wonder, well, there's your clip for the end of the show after the.
01;02;02;21 - 01;02;07;20
Mark
Music and see.
01;02;07;22 - 01;02;10;26
Sarah
Is there something I don't know.
01;02;10;28 - 01;02;17;23
Mark
I meant to say that my I am in no way interested in my brother's wife, but it came out bad.
01;02;17;26 - 01;02;19;00
Mark
You made it sound like it.
01;02;19;00 - 01;02;19;27
Sarah
Was okay in your.
01;02;19;27 - 01;02;27;07
Mark
Family. Just bad. Okay. Are we ready? Yes.
01;02;27;09 - 01;02;31;27
Mark
So five, four, three, two, one.
01;02;32;04 - 01;02;33;05
Sarah
Hey, maniac.
01;02;33;07 - 01;02;38;10
Mark
Hey, maniacs. I'm sorry.
01;02;38;11 - 01;02;46;03
Mark
Well, okay, we'll start this again.
01;02;46;06 - 01;02;48;17
Mark
Okay? Won't be any better.
01;02;48;17 - 01;02;51;25
Mark
You got to stop apologizing.
01;02;51;27 - 01;02;56;09
Sarah
I want people to know my voice sounds like this, and it's not your fault with the editing.
01;02;56;11 - 01;02;59;18
Mark
Hey, come over here.
01;02;59;20 - 01;03;02;16
Sarah
I know you can't use that in the outtakes because it won't make any sense at all.
01;03;02;17 - 01;03;14;01
Mark
No sense at all. Midsummer Maniacs, a comedy Recap podcast dedicated to the ITV dedicated to the ITV series.
01;03;14;01 - 01;03;17;28
Sarah
We're not dedicated. We're committed in more ways, in.
01;03;18;01 - 01;03;19;05
Mark
More ways than one.
01;03;19;06 - 01;03;19;14
Sarah
To.
01;03;19;14 - 01;03;26;23
Mark
That committed to the midsummer. Midsummer Maniacs. Midsummer Maniacs.
01;03;26;27 - 01;03;31;02
Sarah
Is a comedy recap podcast dedicated to the ITV series Midsomer.
01;03;31;02 - 01;03;33;26
Mark
Murders. Okay, we need to start that. One of us.
01;03;33;26 - 01;03;36;19
Mark
Does the whole thing.
01;03;36;22 - 01;03;38;25
Sarah
You're looking at it and you can't do it.
01;03;39;00 - 01;03;45;22
Mark
Midsummer Maniacs is a comedy recap podcast committed to the ITV series Late Summer.
01;03;45;26 - 01;03;50;10
Sarah
You don't have my joke in there because you always say dedicated. And I was making a joke.
01;03;50;13 - 01;03;52;13
Mark
Okay?
01;03;52;15 - 01;03;55;23
Sarah
And if you deliver it that way, it sounds so boring.
01;03;55;25 - 01;03;57;11
Mark
Midsomer Murders.
01;03;57;14 - 01;04;06;28
Sarah
Now we're Midsomer Maniacs, The Slaughter. There's blood all over your beard. How weird.
01;04;07;01 - 01;04;17;23
Mark
There's an outtake. It's kind of like that tight, tight little outfit that.
01;04;17;25 - 01;04;20;08
Mark
There's not a website that gives you celebrity.
01;04;20;08 - 01;04;27;07
Sarah
Tattoos. Not that I could find. But, you know, in my long history of nefarious Googling, since we started.
01;04;27;07 - 01;04;28;27
Mark
Making this show.
01;04;28;29 - 01;04;37;25
Sarah
I was Googling, you know, does Orlando Bloom have tattoos? Of course he does now use different ones, right? Yeah. But then I you know, pictures of Orlando Bloom's stomach.
01;04;37;28 - 01;04;38;10
Mark
Yeah.
01;04;38;10 - 01;04;53;02
Sarah
And that's more like his six pack, right? Yeah. And then, like, No, no below Orlando Bloom, Billy biting because it's really low. I'm like, Mark's going to see this and wonder what I'm doing anyway.
01;04;53;05 - 01;04;54;23
Mark
La, la la.
01;04;54;26 - 01;04;56;10
Mark
Stop bouncing. I'll stop.
01;04;56;10 - 01;04;57;19
Sarah
There. You're going to make me seasick.
01;04;57;25 - 01;04;58;07
Mark
Okay?
01;04;58;12 - 01;04;59;02
Mark
Okay.
01;04;59;04 - 01;05;02;07
Mark
But it's not George's office. It's kind of a lab on the side.
01;05;02;08 - 01;05;06;18
Mark
It's a weird lab. It's like a closet lab. Yeah, It's like.
01;05;06;20 - 01;05;11;12
Sarah
Who has a what do they call it? The thing that spins the blood out. The.
01;05;11;15 - 01;05;12;16
Mark
I don't know.
01;05;12;18 - 01;05;13;12
Mark
I know what you mean.
01;05;13;12 - 01;05;14;19
Sarah
Uses centripetal force.
01;05;14;19 - 01;05;16;24
Mark
Yes, separator.
01;05;16;24 - 01;05;17;22
Mark
So, no.
01;05;17;25 - 01;05;19;09
Sarah
That's after.
01;05;19;11 - 01;05;25;22
Mark
Peggy. It's built. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I'm mean, it's cage. Okay. Never mind that out. Yep.
01;05;25;25 - 01;05;30;03
Mark
You have a head cold?
01;05;30;05 - 01;05;33;28
Mark
No, I don't.
01;05;34;00 - 01;05;35;13
Sarah
Do not have any.
01;05;35;15 - 01;05;36;18
Mark
Things appearing.
01;05;36;18 - 01;05;38;11
Mark
At the end of the episode.
01;05;38;13 - 01;05;39;17
Sarah
Are you already recording?
01;05;39;21 - 01;05;42;16
Mark
Yeah, of course you are.
01;05;42;18 - 01;05;50;15
Mark
Anyways, welcome to house Sarah Marker uptight Canada.
01;05;50;17 - 01;05;53;10
Sarah
Well, first spinster. She was nice.
01;05;53;13 - 01;05;55;11
Mark
No one said the S word.
