The Passive-aggressive Tree House | Brokenwood | "The Witches of Brokenwood" | Mystery Maniacs Podcast EP238
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Sarah:Hey, maniacs.
Mark:Hey, mystery maniacs. Mystery maniacs is a comedy recap podcast dedicated to mystery TV. Each week, we dig into an episode of the show including the murders, the mayhem, the loonies and everything else we love.
Sarah:This week, Broken Woods season seven episode two.
Mark:The Witches of Broken Woods which is the least witchy episode ever. So disappointing. Disappointing the lack of witchiness.
Sarah:There's no witches. There's no witchiness.
Mark:Nope. And it's certainly no witches of
Sarah:The closest thing in this episode is Silver Cloud.
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:To a witch. And he's not.
Mark:And in the end, in in the end, Silver Cloud tells the truth and is nice to people. Yeah. And yet we think that he's horrible.
Sarah:Oh, he's cheating on his
Mark:Oh,
Sarah:girlfriend. Yeah. That's usually She's the best vegan chef in New Zealand. Apparently. This is our tenth episode in four weeks.
Sarah:Yes. For cranking.
Mark:We're we're a little slap happy. We've had five minis and four full episodes.
Sarah:If you're not listening to the minis before you watch season eleven, you're missing out.
Mark:There's all sorts of weird connections between eleven and seven.
Sarah:Yeah. There are.
Mark:Like sudden chompers.
Sarah:Yeah. You forget that he just shows up at the end of the episode.
Mark:We mentioned it at least.
Sarah:We are gonna spoil things. This is a spoiler podcast. Yes. The minis are spoiler free. This is not.
Sarah:This is not. Just saying.
Mark:We did mention in several episodes previous to this that we met Roxy. We do not meet Roxy. No. I was completely wrong.
Sarah:You never see her.
Mark:And that I thought there was a big build up to to Breen's last show like there were two or three No.
Sarah:He's just gone.
Mark:He's just gone.
Sarah:No. Now he can't Roxy is a video game playing pole dancing jujitsu karate master who teaches scuba diving. She sounds quite interesting actually.
Mark:She does indeed sound interesting.
Sarah:She's James Bond.
Mark:And Breen gets a better send off than say Scott in Midsummer.
Sarah:Right. But wow. He's just gone. That's it. Don't I don't know.
Mark:We'll get to it, but Chalmers must have been doing undercover work when he gets there.
Sarah:Alright. So this episode takes place at Brokenwood Health Retreat. Yes. Otherwise known as the prison you pay to pay to stay at.
Mark:Yeah. I don't understand it. The 04/05/2021 is when it was released. Addie Walker erected it, and Sarah Kate Lynch wrote it and with Timbalm,
Sarah:of course. Are men allowed at this retreat? I
Mark:don't know.
Sarah:Like the only men that are there are either visiting or Silver Cloud? Like, do you think they ever take male clients?
Mark:I don't know and I'm kind of okay with that because it's supposed to be a healing place. I completely understand that. But the presence of the golf pro must have been upsetting. I thought more people would get upset.
Sarah:Maybe they like alternate like if you want a book and you're a man, you book on during a man's week.
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:And this is just a woman's week. But it it seems like some of these women live there. They're there way too often. I don't know how they can afford
Mark:it. So these two young women are going to the sauna and us who have had experience with these kind of cozy murders
Sarah:know They're about to find a body.
Mark:They're gonna find a body.
Sarah:I love that they say it smells like dumplings. Yes. But it's just a steamed body. Yes. People taste like pork I guess.
Sarah:Maybe they smell like steamed pork dumplings. So I really like those two.
Mark:I think we yes. I do too. I hope we see more of them. I'm not sure if we do. We also I think we've told the sauna Finland story before.
Sarah:Sauna and steam rooms are different.
Mark:Yeah.
Sarah:I don't like either one of them for the record. So But all I thought when Sims talks about the towel that you're supposed to be sitting on and Joy, the body, is not sitting on her towel.
Mark:It's a laudalina right there.
Sarah:Is the Finnish word for the butt towel for the sauna. A laurelina.
Mark:If you haven't got to the episode That's
Sarah:the only Finnish word I picked up. Told you.
Mark:We went to Finland to do some academic talks. It was a weird time. And we arrived, I'm still amazed that we arrived at like midnight in this northern Finnish town to meet these people who we had never met really before.
Sarah:But we were gonna stay with them.
Mark:We were gonna stay with them and our luggage did not arrive.
Sarah:Our luggage was in Cleveland, Ohio, I think.
Mark:So we had been in the same clothes for twenty four hours
Sarah:at least. Loose. I think like thirty six. We were crusty. It was bad.
Mark:Yeah. And and they were like, well, you have to sauna.
Sarah:Oh. Okay. Okay. They were nice.
Mark:They were extremely nice, but it was not I did not smell the best. I know.
Sarah:We we went, we had to buy all of our replacement clothing in a department store that was basically from like the Soviet era. It was a really bizarre department store.
Mark:There will be more Soviet stories later on, by the way.
Sarah:Okay. So the ladies are all
Mark:So in a weird situation here, everyone arrives in the same car. That's a very weird thing for this
Sarah:show. It's rare Yeah. For this show.
Mark:Breen is in the back seat like a little kid. Yes. He might as well ask if are we there yet?
Sarah:Yeah. So so Joy is dead
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:In the sauna. Sorry. In the steam room. The difference is one is dry and one is wet. Mhmm.
Sarah:And Fleur, the owner, immediately gets on my nerves.
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:She is Like, I understand being a business owner and having to protect your business, but a little sympathy when what you're supposed to be doing is like healing people's emotional side as well as their physical side wouldn't go awry I think.
Mark:And the retreat has a little bit of plot armor in that it's simultaneously giving away free nights and just about to go under. Yeah. There very rarely are situations in any of these cozy shows where it's like, no, my business is pretty successful. It's not wildly successful, but it's pretty successful and
Sarah:I'm doing It's stable and I have a comfortable living.
Mark:Yes. There's very rarely business
Sarah:Without owing money to anybody unduly or anything like that. It's just a good business except Frodo. He seems to be doing okay. It also has a little bit of plot armor in that it is like a prison. You can't leave and there's cameras everywhere and yet people go in and out all the time.
Mark:Yeah, it's like an Like that's a Christy Pilot.
Sarah:It's like the fence is man permeable. Yes. But not woman permeable. I because Frodo gets in.
Mark:Frodo gets in.
Sarah:Gren gets in. Yep. You know, but nobody's getting out. Does Mike
Mark:know what a steam room is? He kinda is like, what is this?
Sarah:Yeah. I don't know what that the purpose of that is. Why he pretends he doesn't know what it is.
Mark:I think the purpose is to give him something talk about while he's in that room.
Sarah:I guess.
Mark:With exposition scenes like that, sometimes you get a lot of people and there are a lot of people there. Yeah. So we need Mike to talk about something. So let's have Mike talk about not knowing what it is.
Sarah:Meanwhile, Roxy is off teaching scuba diving. Yes. And Brain begins his, did you see the paperwork?
Mark:Oh by the way I'm leaving.
Sarah:But we don't know what it is yet. Yes. Would you assuming that that this place welcomed men
Mark:Yes. And
Sarah:and it was a gift certificate or something, you didn't have to worry about men, would would you like to go to a place like this?
Mark:So have you ever been to anything like this? No. The closest thing I've been to that was like this was, I don't know if I've told you about this nightmare that an ex girlfriend and I went on to the North Of Canada in the middle of winter to like a winter retreat thing. Was it to
Sarah:see the northern lights or something or go skiing or
Mark:There were lots of activities but she was interested in none of them.
Sarah:Oh.
Mark:And then we drove home in probably the worst snowstorm I've driven in in years.
Sarah:It doesn't sound like fun.
Mark:Was not fun.
Sarah:No. I mean, I've gone to a spa for like a massage, but Mhmm. I didn't didn't really like it.
Mark:You it's not your kind of place.
Sarah:No. No. The idea of meditating just no.
Mark:I'd much prefer and I think you're the same way, but you don't work like me. I would love to go to a place with a cottage where I could spend a week working on things I wanted to work on.
Sarah:Yeah. And go and swimming in
Mark:a lake or something. Swimming on a lake, having a campfire at night, and cooking on the campfire, cooking on a grill or something like that, that would be a perfectly I
Sarah:don't even like naps. Yeah. And the idea of a pedicure gives me the heebie jeebies. I'm glad other people are into those things.
Mark:Sarah has some problems relaxing.
Sarah:I'm not good at it. And it's not a skill I'm eager to improve, I guess.
Mark:I would say that you relax differently.
Sarah:Yeah. By doing shit.
Mark:By doing shit. And I'm I'm the same way. Like, it's very hard for me to
Sarah:Says the man who falls asleep on the couch almost every day at 04:00.
Mark:Well, there is that.
Sarah:Yeah.
Mark:And I was about to say, I just don't read a book or don't just listen to music, but I do both of
Sarah:those things. The time. Yeah.
Mark:Like I'll sit out, I'll have a fire in the evening and outside of course, and just sit and listen to music. And I'm quite happy doing that.
Sarah:Yep. And I don't want to sit out there unless I got a marshmallow on a stick. No. Just sit there? Just sit?
Sarah:Just sit. Still. Just sit. Only if you strap me down. This is the most passive aggressive tree house I've ever seen.
Mark:I love the passive aggressive tree house. Must you? First of all, it is not a tree house. Okay. A tree house, I would say, requires at least space for more than one person.
Sarah:I think two people could sit up there.
Mark:No. It would be tough.
Sarah:When Mike's sitting up there, he seems to have some space.
Mark:Second of all.
Sarah:Must you?
Mark:Must you.
Sarah:That sign is awful. Never mind that it hits everybody on the head too. I think that's kind of on purpose. Sims goes up there because it's the only place you can get cell signal. She calls Gina.
Sarah:Gina answers, I'm feeling very disturbed by you. Well, hi Gina, how are
Mark:you? This season, season seven, and season eleven that we're covering in the minis, Gina and Sims' relationship is very similar.
Sarah:And it's all Gina.
Mark:And Gina is just snark, mixed dark shit.
Sarah:She doesn't want to tell Sims anything. Yeah. She criticizes her all the time. She corrects her all the time. But I don't think Sims doesn't seem competitive with Gina.
Mark:But what
Sarah:There seems to be One Direction.
Mark:What I love about the passive aggressive Treehouse, which is of course the name of the episode
Sarah:Yes. Is
Mark:that it is so obviously the writer or Tim Baum or someone in the writing room has been to one of these things.
Sarah:Yeah.
Mark:And did not get cell service the way they wanted to, so had to do some weird stuff to get cell service.
Sarah:Yeah. Like like climb a big
Mark:mountain top of I would imagine Tim Baum's phone rings on a regular basis.
Sarah:Mhmm.
Mark:So what they do, which is good writing, is they move it into the extreme but not the absurd. Right. So it's plausible you could go, Yeah, I could see that.
Sarah:Never
Mark:mind the technology and all that stuff doesn't work like that. We're going to skip over that. But then just pushes it into comedy just that tiny little bit with the must do sign.
Sarah:Well and the size of the tree house as you mentioned, it's so small. I think that's on purpose. Like they don't want it to be a comfortable place. They don't want you to go up there and hang out and play Angry Birds. No.
Sarah:It's it's the last resort if you absolutely have to make an emergency call. Though they must have landlines. They run a business.
Mark:They must have landlines.
Sarah:So if you had an emergency call to make.
Mark:Yeah. Second of all, there's a mower parked behind the the Treehouse? Treehouse. But no maintenance guy. No.
Mark:And it's kind of implied that she hasn't got a maintenance guy, that she's doing it all herself. But again, she's the like, send out Silver snot or whatever his name is. Like, have him go fix the freaking ladder. No. No.
Mark:I'm running the apothecary. Okay. Apothecary dispenses drugs.
Sarah:He's doing four hour tribal awakenings. Yes. That takes up a lot of your day.
Mark:They have a special name for natural medicine that works. It's called
Sarah:Medicine. Medicine. Then Mike's in the car on his own and he's listening to music, obviously, he always does. And we get some yodeling music. Yes.
Sarah:Now, you know far more about music than I do. Yes. I know that yodeling is originally an alpine Yes. Thing. It's a communication method across vast distances, yodeling carries.
Mark:Was then co opted by the country music scene of The United States.
Sarah:How did that happen?
Mark:I'm not sure, but it certainly hit its peak with a young gentleman named Slim Whitman.
Sarah:I thought it was Lawrence Welk.
Mark:No. It was probably Slim Whitman.
Sarah:But how does that happen?
Mark:I don't know but
Sarah:he definitely I mean there's folk music in other areas of the world that have not been co opted into country western music.
Mark:I would disagree wholeheartedly. Country music is a very derivative form. Like the use of the banjo is all stolen from African music.
Sarah:Okay.
Mark:So and But see, but there
Sarah:I can say, well, there were enslaved people unfortunately who may have brought that music with them or immigrants who brought that music with them and so it got melded. But I don't know of any Swedish
Mark:You're not aware of the Swiss
Sarah:The great enslavement? The great Swiss migration of the nineteen thirties? No, I'm not.
Mark:And it was it was men and women in the thirties, that sort of blue grassy country thirties, forties music.
Sarah:Maybe yodeling carries Into
Mark:the little fifties.
Sarah:Carries across the holler just as well as it carries across the mountains.
Mark:But it was certainly a thing and they're like Slim Whitman is famous for yodeling.
Sarah:He's he's really, you know, Sven Whitman. You just didn't know.
Mark:Now I've heard Dolly Parton yodel too so
Sarah:I know.
Mark:It's it's definitely
Sarah:I don't I'm not questioning that. I just don't know where they got Yeah. How they got it. Anyway, we're back at the golf club. That crap tacular murderous place.
Mark:Yes. But we have a whole new round of golf players.
Sarah:Yeah. All new jerks. Did you notice the sign when Mike is driving in?
Mark:No. But I did notice you took a picture of it. What what
Sarah:The name of the golf club is just blacked out.
Mark:Oh, it's just got like tape over it?
Sarah:Yeah. It's just blacked out. Yeah. They could've done better than that.
Mark:It's only on the sign it's only in the shot for very, like, short amount of time.
Sarah:But the newspaper was only on the screen for a very short amount of time.
Mark:We agree and we'll get to something later. The greatest sign of this episode
Sarah:Factfalexander was only on the screen for a short amount of time.
Mark:But maybe, I'm gonna suggest that maybe some of the set design was phoned in a little bit from
Sarah:the So they could have at least used white tape on the white sign.
Mark:You would think but
Sarah:Not black tape
Mark:on the white sign. Just blacked out.
Sarah:What kind of name is Gren?
Mark:I do not
Sarah:know. Is it short for Grendel? Gren McNair.
Mark:My mother is a monster. Greenwich?
Sarah:I don't I was trying to think what Gren could be short for.
Mark:Do not know. Oh by the way, we were divorcing. Okay. What?
Sarah:Well, and he does my second least favorite thing that a potential suspect does. My my first least favorite thing is when they run. Like, that's just dumb. Yes. What are you gonna do?
Sarah:Run for the rest of your life? Yes. No. The second least favorite thing I like that a suspect does is when they say, I'm looking for Bob Smith. And they go, who's asking?
Sarah:And it's always that person who says, who's asking? Like if they say, the cops, they go, we don't know him. Like, okay. That's not gonna stop it. It's dumb.
Mark:I totally often think, what if we found a body and somebody came to our door to ask us questions? How we would interact with these people and it's nothing like any of these people do. No. We would be incredibly helpful.
Sarah:And If the police came
Mark:to the writing down. Yeah. Can we have your notebook?
Sarah:Would be obnoxious at the other end. Yes. It's like when Mo and I thought the lady down the street was in trouble, we didn't want to leave because we wanted to find out what happened. And they're like, you can go now. We're like, are you are you sure you don't need No.
Sarah:We do not need you.
Mark:We do not need you. In the steam room there are bushes for whacking.
Sarah:Gina's special.
Mark:They just leave that alone and it smells like boiled kartoshka. Do you know what that is? Cabbage? Potatoes.
Sarah:Oh the poor woman was a big boil in a bag. Yeah. Gina doesn't hold back. She calls her a crock pot later. This poor woman died.
Sarah:And Joy's sisters, they're supposed to be the witches of Brokenwood, right? Yeah. So that's what Gren calls them because he hates them. And I just, I remember the first time we saw this, I was thinking, oh, are they witchy? Like are they evil?
Mark:The title implies Witches of Eastwick, which is an eighties movie based on a book in which Cher Susan Sarandon.
Sarah:Susan Sarandon and Michelle Pfeiffer. And Jack Nicholson.
Mark:Are seduced by Jack Nicholson Who's the devil. Who plays the devil. And they are the witches. And it's a fantastically cheeky fun movie. Think
Sarah:I I will never forget the scene where that woman just starts throwing up the cherry pits and can't stop. Yes. It's so disturbing. They're But they're witches. They are witches.
Sarah:These three are just the three like misfit sisters. You know, they kind of remind me of the the three sisters in Hocus Pocus. Yes. There's like young one who's kind of pretty and the older one who's really nasty and the other one who's kind of stupid.
Mark:Well there's three sisters that they could have like, there are so many three sisters in mythology they could have made reference to.
Sarah:Yes. They could have done so many interesting things. Many interesting things. None of those things they did.
Mark:Now, one of the things I'm gonna harp on in this episode is that Joy is a different person to every single person in in her life. Yes. She's completely different to different people. Like, incredibly cruel to some people, just nasty to other people, and then she's like all lovey dovey with Grendel.
Sarah:Mhmm.
Mark:Like it's so weird how different she is with people. But Gren says that he doesn't like the sisters and I'm like, of course you don't. They obviously mistreated Joy at some point in time.
Sarah:Well, I think she gave it back. Well and then But he's gonna take her side.
Mark:They made her into dim sums. Yes.
Sarah:I like when they go to the police station for the first time, the sisters, and Mike basically gets them there by saying that they have coffee and tea and cookies. And they're like, okay. Yeah. And when they when April gets really mad and she's like, we're leaving. Yeah.
Sarah:Kitty grabs half the cookies on the plate on the way out because they've had like nothing but water and kale.
Mark:There's a brief discussion of Mike's chakras, and he's like, I don't have any chakras.
Sarah:I don't have chakras. And lots of talk about Kristin's bad coffee. And Brain hands him a cup of coffee and he says, did Kristin make this? And he says, no, I did. And he goes, good.
Mark:Like, it's totally out in the open now. Mhmm. Mike forwards the information on to Hughes about Breen's change in position. He's leaving.
Sarah:Is drum is drum ball a real thing? Do people actually do that? Beat on yoga balls with drumsticks? No. Okay.
Mark:And I was like, who is that again? And then I was like, oh, yeah.
Sarah:It's Frodo's non girlfriend. It's not Frodo's girlfriend. She wants to keep it on the down low. Yeah. Whatever, Frodo.
Mark:Which, again, is another reference to season eleven. They are connected
Sarah:Yeah. In
Mark:weird ways. Joy's laptop would be completely useless unless she was doing spreadsheets. Because I'm sure they don't have WiFi that's available.
Sarah:Yeah, I don't know what she would be doing on it. Frodo is such a hustler, so not only does he bring the coffee cart around so the ladies can slip over and get a cup of coffee, he's delivering pizzas on the down low too to April. Every night she eats an entire pizza.
Mark:And then waits for the box. And on the box it is Porky Pigeon. Ray's Gourmet Ray's Porky Pigeon.
Sarah:He's delivering for Ray.
Mark:And so I was wrong, again I admit these things I find them. I said that there was only another one other episode to mention Gourmet Ray's
Sarah:Porky But
Mark:now, season eleven
Sarah:Yep.
Mark:There is a Porky Pig reference
Sarah:in Porky pigeon. Yeah.
Mark:Porky pigeon reference in season eleven.
Sarah:I love that Frodo wears all black. He's got a sock hat on. He's he's Puts the stuff on his face.
Mark:Yeah. He's totally He kinda falls out of the bushes.
Sarah:Gorilla pizza delivery. He's like, I'm not breaking any laws. Right? That's not against the law. Right?
Mark:I love how the not girlfriend is like they have a special code when when somebody's coming and they have to hide their drinks. Mhmm. Like it's it's
Sarah:Nutritionist inbound. Go.
Mark:Go. Go. Not only does Frodo get in there, but he gets his truck in there.
Sarah:Yes. The non girlfriend's name is Kimberly.
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:Of course, missus m is there too.
Mark:Of course, she's gotta do something.
Sarah:Sitting on a bench being the wise old woman.
Mark:Talking about Brazilians.
Sarah:What's a Brazilian? Mike, you don't wanna talk. You don't wanna know. No. They they joke about a brozillion.
Sarah:Yeah. And I looked it up, and I found two spas that refer to it as a manzillion. That's what they that's what these two spas called it. Maybe they
Mark:call it brozillions. The Legend of Zelda
Sarah:shows. The Ocarina of Time.
Mark:So an Ocarina most well known for being part of the Legend of Zelda video Zelda video games, but actually a very old instrument.
Sarah:Yes.
Mark:Right? It does make sense that crazy old crazy Silver Cloud would be blowing away on his pan pipes.
Sarah:He has a ponytail and therefore should not be trusted.
Mark:I agree.
Sarah:You can't say that.
Mark:As a person who had a ponytail.
Sarah:Just because a man has a ponytail doesn't mean he's not trustworthy.
Mark:I had a ponytail in the eighties.
Sarah:The tribal awakening ceremony. Do you think there's some kind of like Ayahuasca involved in that?
Mark:There's certainly some kind of something. Or mushrooms or I want to know how many things they did. So he burns the incense
Sarah:and Wraps her in the gauze. Ties her to a tree.
Mark:Like how many other things did they like film and then went no, we can't use that.
Sarah:Yeah, that looks weird. That doesn't work. I'm disappointed we don't get any footage of Mrs. M doing any of those things. Yes.
Sarah:She looks like an old blind lady sitting on the bench because she's got her sunglasses on and her cane. Yeah. Talking about teaching Dreamweaver Dreamweaver classes and I'm just thinking, that software, anybody still use Dreamweaver? And No. She's talking about Dreamcatchers.
Mark:Yes. There was a point in my life where I thought people like this, like mister Silver Cloud
Sarah:Simon Smith. Were were not real people.
Mark:Like real people were never like that. And then I worked at the holistic school I worked at Mhmm. And I was like, what?
Sarah:And then you you met entire groups of people who were just like that.
Mark:Who would speak often about my aura and things like that.
Sarah:Quite seriously.
Mark:I was just like, what the wow woo woo are you talking about? They believe in that stuff. Are you not the middle school science teacher?
Sarah:It's okay if they believe in It's not hurting
Mark:I guess so. I guess so.
Sarah:We probably have listeners who believe in that stuff. Hint hint. Don't make too much fun of I
Mark:won't make fun of it.
Sarah:It's I bet you
Mark:we have listeners who listen to Judas Priest just like Frodo too.
Sarah:He's got his t shirt on.
Mark:That is his favorite t shirt. And how do we know it's his favorite t shirt?
Sarah:He's wearing it again in season eleven.
Mark:Season eleven.
Sarah:Yet another connection.
Mark:Gina accuses Sims of reading Wikipedia. What's wrong with reading Wikipedia?
Sarah:It just means that you don't have real knowledge. I I should have had results sooner, but the human crock pot makes it more difficult. She's so harsh. Gina, when they ask Silver Cloud where he was, he says he was alone and involved nakedness, kombucha, the Egyptian goddess of the starlit sky.
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:So he was laying in the grass naked drinking kombucha?
Mark:I guess so. What's funny is Do you think he
Sarah:do you think we are meant to believe that he actually believes all that stuff.
Mark:No. No. And the reason why I think that is because in that single solitary moment where she he talks to the woman who runs the retreat and he says that ring was worth nothing and I mean nothing. Like here is underneath me, the real me.
Sarah:I disagree with that. I don't think that means that he's not sincere about his current life. He just has knowledge from his former life which was into stealing But he knows that she needs money. Yes. And he's saying it's not gonna help you.
Sarah:Yeah. Let it go.
Mark:That's true. Maybe.
Sarah:I think he I think he's sincere.
Mark:Maybe.
Sarah:I don't think you could do that four hour tribal awakening with people four or five times especially with the same And
Mark:the apothecary.
Sarah:If you didn't actually believe that stuff. Yeah. It would make you crazy angry after a while
Mark:And again
Sarah:if you thought it was all bullshit.
Mark:It's it's it is valid to be interested in alternative forms of both consciousness and medicine.
Sarah:If it helps people Yeah. So long as they're doing it instead of taking regular medication, I got no problem with it.
Mark:But any reference to kombucha is now permanently locked in my mind in relation to my hockey team. Oh, my poor hockey team who have lost in the playoffs.
Sarah:What does that have to do with kombucha?
Mark:The former captain, the soft spoken, very emotionally reserved captain
Sarah:John Tavares.
Mark:John Tavares has a kombucha tap in his house.
Sarah:Oh, for him?
Mark:Yes. And his family, he likes it that much. Oh. So now I'm thinking of John naked in the backyard with kombucha.
Sarah:With the Egyptian goddess of the starlit sky.
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:It would explain why he's so laid back and soft spoken.
Mark:There are several references to the ring and precious, my precious, this is all Lord of the Rings Lord of the Rings.
Sarah:I love when Breen calls Sims and he's like, precious, my precious, over the phone. People in New Zealand must have a love hate relationship with Lord of the Rings. Like, there must be times when they're like, I'm tired of it. Okay? I just need a break.
Mark:I need a break.
Sarah:Stop mentioning it for five minutes.
Mark:And and really, it's funny because up until, like, the the making of the first movie, so that would have been '98, they started making them, something like that.
Sarah:Lord of the Rings was more associated with Oxford.
Mark:Was in no way related to New Zealand?
Sarah:No. Not at all.
Mark:And it must have been weird that it it and it must have really overtaken the country at that point in time.
Sarah:Yeah.
Mark:And so Gina says she much preferred when Lord of the Rings was banned.
Sarah:In her country.
Mark:Yes. Which we are assuming is Russia. Mhmm. Now, I've done some research into this.
Sarah:Was Tolkien ever banned in Russia?
Mark:First of all, the actress who plays Gina was not born in Russia.
Sarah:Right.
Mark:She was born in Transylvania, in Romania, which would have been behind the iron curtain at this point in time. Mhmm. She went to college in '94. So I'm assuming that if she went to college, it's hard to find her birth date. If she went to college in '94, she was born roughly in 1976.
Sarah:Because you're saying that the character and the actress are roughly the same age.
Mark:Are roughly the same And in the Soviet Union, the Lord of the Rings was in fact banned. And it's easy to see why it was banned because a bunch of free thinking religious folks are against a over oppressive industrialized state which wants to take over the world. Like, it's easy to see why they might have had some problems with
Sarah:They might have thought it was anti communist. Yes.
Mark:So it was banned in Russia, but there was a in 1982, there was an there was like a an abridgment released for children. Now, I don't know if it's been a while since you read Fellowship of the Rings, it's not a kid's book. Hobbit, you could argue, is a kid's book.
Sarah:Yeah.
Mark:It's high adventure Lord of the is not a kid's book.
Sarah:Special kind of kid who can get through it.
Mark:So, it was banned in the Soviet Union until there was no Soviet Union anymore. She is absolutely right that that was the case. I do not think that she would hate it as much, but it's fun that she hates it. It's fun that Breen plays it up. And it's fun that Kristen plays kinda in the middle where she's
Sarah:Just tired of hearing about Tired of hearing about it. The witches come to confess. Yes. Danny confesses. Kitty confesses.
Sarah:Why does Kitty find it difficult to meditate because she thinks about laundry and string beans other than that she's She's just
Mark:like the prototypical housewife.
Sarah:You think that's why?
Mark:I think that's why she's
Sarah:Why string beans?
Mark:I don't know.
Sarah:Why not laundry in the soccer run? Why string beans?
Mark:I don't
Sarah:She mentions it twice.
Mark:She mentions the string bean twice. And
Sarah:But she must be She's the middle one, right? April is older. I think it's I think it's April, Kitty, Joy, Danny.
Mark:Yeah, think so.
Sarah:From oldest to youngest. Yeah. And so it makes sense that Kitty who is kind of in the middle is trying to make up. Right? She she arranges for these three sisters to be there when Joy is going to be there.
Sarah:Yeah. And that makes all of them mad. Yes. Poor Kitty. She just wants to have some string beans and have everybody So
Mark:much time at the passive of aggressive tree house yelling at each other.
Sarah:Enjoy throwing rocks at them from up above.
Mark:You're a party pooper. I'm like, woah. Who poops at parties?
Sarah:Half the people listening, more than half, have never seen that video.
Mark:So there's a YouTube video of a German comedian talking about the weirdness of the phrase party pooper, where we have put in our vernacular.
Sarah:Yeah. And I'll put And it's not literal.
Mark:I'll put it in the show notes.
Sarah:But he's taking it literally, and it's very funny.
Mark:It's incredibly fun. Why would anyone poop at the party? So this is kinda it becomes kinda Rashomon here.
Sarah:Yes. Right? Where we read story. I don't understand the St. John's wort situation.
Sarah:No. Right? So Gren has a business where he's importing these lightweight golf clubs from China.
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:And he also buys some St. John's wort extract from China. And that's part It's like super potent. That's part of what kills joy.
Mark:And he wants to poison her with happiness?
Sarah:I don't know if he I don't think he means to kill her
Mark:No.
Sarah:Because he wants her back.
Mark:Yeah.
Sarah:He's he's not angry at her.
Mark:When when she says, I wanna try again, they both that the scene
Sarah:They both look very happy.
Mark:The scene the acting in that scene is very good.
Sarah:Yeah. I think he's legitimately happy. So if he imports it and it's much more potent than what she has been using, it might be a mistake. Maybe. I don't even know if he meant to do that.
Sarah:He can't read it.
Mark:The the who gets in trouble and who's to blame here is kinda all mixed up at the end.
Sarah:So all three of the sisters claim that they've killed her. Yes. But they also all three claim to have gone back to take the wedge out.
Mark:Yes. Do you buy that there would be a wedge there?
Sarah:No. I think the cleaners would have their own wedge
Mark:I think so.
Sarah:On their cleaning cart that they would use to prop open every door that they need to prop open.
Mark:Because that's a dangerous thing.
Sarah:Yes.
Mark:Like even as a joke.
Sarah:Plus I think she could have slid it out from under the door from the inside.
Mark:I totally think she could have done that.
Sarah:With a piece of paper or stick or Towel. Anything really unless they wedged it in there really well.
Mark:Bread. One of those dim sum container.
Sarah:A chopstick snack, you know. Here's another connection between this episode and seasons eleven. Frodo's coffee cart gets more interesting in every episode.
Mark:Okay. Frodo's Coffee Cart is fantastical. First of all, we're gonna talk about the Frodo's sign because the Frodo's sign, the word Frodo's is so fantastically punk.
Sarah:Yeah. Got It's like graffiti.
Mark:Laddered paint, it's got it's got graffiti, and it's like the set dresser worked really hard on that sign, and then realized that they would have to put all these little letters in on the other side of the sign because it's one of those little letter things where you put it in. So they started at the top with Frodo specials. Now no one makes reference to this sign at all No. In the episode, But Sarah and I both took screenshots of it, and we were we were about to embark on a five minute discussion of this sign.
Sarah:What the hell is a bumpy white?
Mark:Woah. Woah. We're not there yet. So if you notice carefully, it's not Frodo's specials. Did you No.
Mark:It's Frodo's spackles. So specials is spelled wrong.
Sarah:Okay.
Mark:It's like the e and the I have fallen off. Okay. So it's and it's the letters are down, up, down, up, down, down, up, down. Mhmm. Right?
Mark:Frodo's is perfect. Specials is s p, then there's a blank, c blank a l s. Okay. So two letters have fallen out of Frodo's. Specals.
Mark:Then He has the $4.
Sarah:He has the following five specials.
Mark:Okay. We gotta do these one at a time.
Sarah:Okay. We got a bumpy white.
Mark:A what is a bumpy white?
Sarah:I don't know.
Mark:I do not know what a bumpy
Sarah:white is. I don't know what makes it bumpy. Unless it's like instant coffee and you don't stir it enough, but he's not making instant.
Mark:And it's certainly not Is it decaf? Maybe calf or Is it lumpy? I do not know.
Sarah:Then we
Mark:Then the set direct, the set dresser has now officially become bored. Yes. Okay?
Sarah:Because the second one is Latte bucket. It's $20.
Mark:It's 20 New Zealand dollars.
Sarah:For a bucket
Mark:of I would like a bucket of latte. This sign is on the screen for two seconds. It's full of jokes.
Sarah:Oh my gosh. And it's not it gets better.
Mark:Next, hit
Sarah:me. Little bit longer than a short black. So you got a short black.
Mark:And then a little bit longer than a short black.
Sarah:Even though a short and a tall are not the way he categorizes the sizes of his drinks. Because there's another sign that says small, middle, big, extra big.
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:So what is a short? I do not know. Then plus all the other ones.
Mark:Dash dash plus all the other ones. But finally So clearly
Sarah:they got bored. Everything else is 5.
Mark:Everything else is $5. Unless
Sarah:you wanna
Mark:And ah. The letters a a a h.
Sarah:$4.
Mark:4 dollars. So what is an ah?
Sarah:There is a drink AHA. Yes. But that's completely different. It's not a coffee drink. No.
Sarah:I don't know what ah is. It needs an exclamation point. It could also be
Mark:Yes. So I'm assuming, let's be real and understand that somebody worked on this. Mhmm. Probably took at least a half hour to put all those letters in.
Sarah:Mhmm.
Mark:That person, the people on the set that day, and us, and now you, dear listener, are the only people who have ever seen those jokes.
Sarah:I think that person deserves our attention.
Mark:I would love to have that person on the episode. Oh my god. We have so many questions for that person. I'm in charge of Frodo's truck. Okay.
Mark:Okay. Why does the sign in a truck
Sarah:What the hell is a bumpy white?
Mark:What the hell is a bumpy there is one door in Frodo's
Sarah:Coffee cart.
Mark:Coffee cart. One door. One. And it is labeled exit. Yes.
Sarah:He is kinda dumb, though. Once he gets in there, he might forget how to get back out again.
Mark:I need a latte bucket.
Sarah:And yeah, extra big is not big enough. I want a bucket of latte.
Mark:So then the other thing that comes to light is that Grendel is ordering all of this from Chengdu, which is a real region in China. But in the weird world that is Sarah and Mark, we used to work near each other but we did not know each other. No. This was
Sarah:Long before we met each other.
Mark:Long before we met, years before we met each other. And there was a restaurant on the North Side Of Indy called Chengdu. Mhmm. This is the only restaurant in the history of existence to actually do the triumvirate. Most places you have to say quick, fast, cheap, pick two.
Sarah:Mhmm.
Mark:Right? It could be quick and cheap, it could be good and fast but not cheap or it could be not cheap but good and fat. Whatever one I didn't deal with. But Chengdu was good, fast, and cheap. Mhmm.
Mark:It was you got an entree, a soup, an egg roll, and a chicken wing
Sarah:And a drink.
Mark:And a drink.
Sarah:For like $5.50.
Mark:5 50. Something like
Sarah:In like thirty seconds.
Mark:Thirty seconds. Unbelievably fast. That was
Sarah:really good. I went there like once a week. For the like three, four years I
Mark:worked up Oh, we did not run into each other. We probably did.
Sarah:We were probably sitting in the restaurant at the same time and
Mark:we just
Sarah:didn't Probably did. Didn't know each other so we didn't know.
Mark:So he confesses. So now we have four confessions.
Sarah:Well he doesn't confess so much as they catch him. They find the box of St. John's wort extract in his garage with all of his golf clubs.
Mark:And
Sarah:Gina has already figured out that Joy had a heart condition and so and very high serotonin levels and taking that high a level of St. John's wort would have put her heart in danger. Yes. I Again, I don't think he meant to kill her. I don't That doesn't make any sense.
Mark:I have in my notes at this point in time, it would have been more likely if we called the episode the wedges of broken wood instead of the witches of broken wood.
Sarah:It could be the warts of Brokenwood. Because wow. There's no witches. So disappointing. Because yeah, because So not only is this place like a prison with CCTV everywhere and you're not allowed to have caffeine or meat or cheese or
Mark:anything Except for Mission Impossible Frodo.
Sarah:And Grendel can get in and But when you arrive, they check your baggage. Yeah. And they check your trash.
Mark:I would have been For contraband. Screw you.
Sarah:How much am I paying?
Mark:Yeah.
Sarah:And you're treating me like a I
Mark:don't think so. Like this is understandable and
Sarah:lot of If I eat a pizza, I don't get the maximum benefit that I'm paying for here. That's my problem.
Mark:And I understand this in Poirot episodes in the thirties when these sort of institutions were different.
Sarah:They were like medical places.
Mark:That poor time that Poirot goes
Sarah:to the The fat camp.
Mark:The fat camp is not good. And Hastings is eating Cornish hand and
Sarah:stuff like that. Whatever he wants. So they check her bag. So she is aware of the Saint John's wort. It's not like he poisoned her with it by slipping it into her food or something.
Sarah:She's voluntarily taking it.
Mark:I think this is an example of a writing situation where a writer goes, I want to make a story where everyone's a little bit guilty but no one's super guilty. And they all went, Yeah, that's a good idea. And then they did it and realized it's not satisfying.
Sarah:At the end? Yeah. Yeah. Because Gren could have just as easily said, she's been taking St. John's wort for a long time.
Sarah:She knew I could get it inexpensively from China. So I ordered a case of it for her. It it's it's the same stuff that she's always been taking.
Mark:Yeah. It was on the same form as the golf club.
Sarah:She recognized the bottle. It was what she always took.
Mark:And he wouldn't have to pay tariffs on it.
Sarah:Oh, yeah. I mean, he he could have just said I mean, I don't think there's any evidence that he purposefully ordered something far stronger than what she was used to. Yeah. But he becomes aware of that because he slips into her room and takes the bottle away. So he knows that it
Mark:Which just makes him
Sarah:look guilty. He knows the bottle makes him look guilty if they think he bought it on purpose.
Mark:I guess. And why would you not hide that if you're going to sneak in and steal the bottle, why would you not get rid of it in your garage?
Sarah:Hide the whole box. Yeah. Throw it out.
Mark:Just throw it out. Anyway, the last five minute scene has so much in it, we will probably spend the next twenty minutes talking about a scene that is not related to the episode in any way.
Sarah:So let's talk about who's guilty. Okay. All three of the sisters
Mark:Are a little bit sorta guilty.
Sarah:Are at least guilty of lying to the police.
Mark:Yes. They are obstruction.
Sarah:Two of them are obstructing justice. Yep. And one of them legitimately closed her in there but came back after eating an entire pizza to let her out. And Which could have really really hurt her and maybe even killed her.
Mark:In front of Frodo.
Sarah:She ate the pizza hiding behind her.
Mark:What do you think Frodo did for the ten minutes?
Sarah:I think he sat there and waited.
Mark:Probably talked to her.
Sarah:Well, she's going.
Mark:Who can eat a pizza in ten minutes?
Sarah:He he was dodging crusts or something. So what what April did to her is dangerous. Yep. But could have killed anybody. Never mind somebody with a heart
Mark:condition. I don't think to the level of manslaughter.
Sarah:Reckless homicide?
Mark:Maybe.
Sarah:Maybe.
Mark:Maybe.
Sarah:And the other two lied to the police and covered it up. Then there's Gren which we've discussed. We don't know if he had any intent to hurt her at all. No. Or if he even understood that the stuff he bought was stronger than what she was taking before until she was already dead.
Sarah:Yep. And then he slipped in to get it.
Mark:Kimberly did nothing. Fleur did nothing. Saint Cloud did nothing.
Sarah:Silver Cloud? Silver Cloud. No. So so they're all free. The most guilty person is April because she actually trapped her in there.
Mark:At most.
Sarah:And very well could have killed her and hurt her or at least hurt her. Should have known that it would hurt her to leave her trapped in there that long.
Mark:And Gren, let's be honest, Gren's gonna get all her money unless there's something in the will that changes that. Mhmm. And that kinda helps him.
Sarah:Maybe short term, he makes bad decisions.
Mark:So He does make bad decisions including too much time golfing and drinking with his friends.
Sarah:Yeah. Pretending to pass out on the couch. Yes. Wait a minute. No.
Sarah:I have that wrong. Oh, back up.
Mark:Okay.
Sarah:Okay. So on the night she died he pretended to be passed out on the couch. He doesn't know she's dead No. When he slips into her room and takes the Saint John's wort.
Mark:But he wouldn't have known how much she took.
Sarah:So why does he do that then?
Mark:I don't know. And plus, was is he gonna kill her with happiness? Like No. He's got realized he must serotonin
Sarah:Yeah. Knows she has hard
Mark:condition. It.
Sarah:Yeah. But if he purposefully bought much stronger stuff, he would know that that would be harmful to her.
Mark:I would much rather buy he realized what he had done and then was like it's not
Sarah:pretty meta Didn't want her to take it so he slipped in to take it away. Yeah. Now I'm not so sure anymore.
Mark:But we never get a scene of him sneaking away. Yeah we Like we get a scene of him sneaking in but never a scene sneaking away from the the
Sarah:But we know he pretended to be passed out just so he could slip away and have an alibi. I guess? But he doesn't know she's dead.
Mark:Yeah. It's weird.
Sarah:I don't know. I don't understand. Yeah. I don't either. I'm surprised he didn't run into one of the sisters in the dark.
Mark:Or
Sarah:Frodo. Like there's so many people creeping around in the dark. It's not that big of a place.
Mark:Frodo finds the the addicted sister in the bushes Yeah. Drinking the vodka and the cigarette.
Sarah:Sits down and shares a drink with her while he's waiting for the other sister to eat the pizza. Yep. Okay. Let's go to the party. Breen's leaving.
Mark:The Breen Survival Pack.
Sarah:It's a Hawaiian shirt, and I heart broken wood hat and a pair of binoculars. Yes. Because you gotta keep an eye on Roxy.
Mark:The Solomon Islands is not much hotter than Brokenwood. But we'll go.
Sarah:I love that Gina gives him
Mark:Anna
Sarah:Karenina. It's a romantic book about a woman who throws herself under a train.
Mark:I have almost said those exact words to somebody who I've seen who has like been like, what's Anachronina about? It's a love story in which the woman throws herself under a train.
Sarah:Were you recommending it when you described it that way?
Mark:No. No. I don't think so. I don't have a lot of Anna Karenina is to me a lot like Madame Bovary and I don't know if you've read Madame Bovary but I there was a movie in the nineties released of Madame Bovary and I had read the book but I had not fully comprehended the book. I read it really fast.
Sarah:Mhmm.
Mark:And the movie really hits home how annoyed you are of any of Madame Bovary And I felt the same way about Anna Karen.
Sarah:You're like, just die already. I know you die.
Mark:Like, can you go to the train station?
Sarah:Just end it. Why why is there another 50 pages?
Mark:But more importantly, we find out the ferret's name.
Sarah:Frankie.
Mark:Frankie the ferret.
Sarah:He's got a little ribbon on. He does. And Mike gives Breen a Walkman Yes. And a cassette tape.
Mark:Mike's top 20 country essentials.
Sarah:Because you know he's gonna need that I guess.
Mark:I I guess? Like and I understand. Walkmans were so essential to my personality and who I was when I was a kid. Like listening to the bus, listening on the bus, the music I wanted to hear Mhmm. Was an identity forming institution.
Sarah:It was the first time you could listen to what you wanted to
Mark:Yeah.
Sarah:And it didn't have to bother anybody else.
Mark:Totally understand that. But Breen is not that kid.
Sarah:My my image of Breen going to be a policeman on the Solomon Islands is that, he's basically gonna become Baywatch and just be perpetually sunburned.
Mark:I guess? Sort of.
Sarah:Because I just think of the Solomon Islands as like beaches, which don't really go with ginger.
Mark:No. Breen's cake is horrendous.
Sarah:That's because Sims made it. She's like, I'll bake you a cake. He's like, I didn't know you baked. She's like, it can't be too hard. Yeah.
Sarah:Neither is making coffee. You can't do that.
Mark:No. She she doesn't do either of those things. If you did not catch it, I did post pictures of Sarah's cake on all of the
Sarah:relative Speaking of cakes.
Mark:Of the social media channels. In fact somebody on the Facebook asked me to post it because they had responded to one of the posts I made on
Sarah:It was super cool.
Mark:It was everyone agreed that it was a super cool cake. Roxy calls and we run-in to Daniel Chalmers.
Sarah:Roxy calls because she needs Breen to come because she's knocked herself out with her nunjucks.
Mark:Which
Sarah:I thought she was good at this stuff.
Mark:Anyone who's done anything with nunchucks realizes, yeah, that
Sarah:Is it numb or none? None. Nunchucks.
Mark:As far as I
Sarah:know. Nunchaku.
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:Right? Yes. Yeah. He opens the door and Chalmers is just sitting there looking really cool.
Mark:So Chalmers is in like a biker jacket. Now he does ride a motorcycle in these early seasons, but I plan I I like to think that he was undercover during some stuff.
Sarah:I don't remember. I'm sure I'll be reminded in the next episode if he ever talks about where he came from, where he where he was posted before. So But I imagine it was a cooler place than Brokenwood. Now says nothing much happens around here. Yeah.
Sarah:You just have a murder every single week.
Mark:Yes. Now Jared Rocari
Sarah:Mhmm.
Mark:Is Chalmers. And he he worked before this, but nothing to this level. This is a huge deal for this young He has such good dimples. He has
Sarah:He has the best dimples.
Mark:He has fantastic dimples and big big arms. Nice arms. I'm I'm thinking do we see tattoos on him? Because I'm assuming I don't remember. Tattoos.
Sarah:I don't know. We'll have to be looking out for him.
Mark:We'll we'll have to be looking out for him. Now, I have a question for you.
Sarah:I'll just be looking for dimples. They're so cute.
Mark:Who is in more episodes? Breen or Chalmers? Now this is season seven of 11, so there's an easy answer.
Sarah:Well you'd think it's Brain, but the Brain seasons have fewer episodes, so it's Chalmers.
Mark:It is Chalmers by two episodes.
Sarah:As of now?
Mark:As of now.
Sarah:As of season the end of season eleven? Yeah. Okay. They're both equally good.
Mark:I think they're both are they they did the transition the way that Midsommar does it, that it's good that it's a completely different person. Yeah. It's not a
Sarah:A similar replacement. They didn't bring in another ginger guy. Yeah. But they what they did do that Midsommar never does is actually hand off between the sergeants. And I like that they meet.
Mark:So Chalmers asked Breen for some tips for the new guy.
Sarah:He says don't let Kristen make the coffee.
Mark:Don't let Kristen make the coffee.
Sarah:I think that Brain should have given Chalmers the Walkman and the cassette tape. Oh. And said, you should listen to this, you're gonna need to build up your resistance.
Mark:Yeah.
Sarah:You'll understand the boss a lot better if you learn to love this music.
Mark:And we don't learn this episode, but we will soon learn probably the next episode that he is also a partaker in the short sleeve tie. So he wears a shirt and tie. He's a very well dressed young man.
Sarah:Otherwise known as the Dilbert. The Dilbert. He he has short sleeve dress shirt. Shows off his guns. I like Chalmers a lot.
Mark:I do too. I love how Chalmers like when Breen was given crap, he would scoff and people would just not pay attention to him. But but Chalmers doesn't take it from anybody.
Sarah:Brain has little brother energy. Yeah. Chalmers doesn't.
Mark:No. I think that's perfect.
Sarah:And what what I really appreciate about Brokenwood in general is that Kristen is the senior officer to whoever this character is, whether it's Chalmers or And that is never an issue. It's never a thing. That she's a woman and that she's senior to them. No. Never an issue.
Mark:It's also like this is a method of storytelling that I like to call the story is there is no story. And what that means is there's no story about Kristen being a woman and being in a leadership role. Mhmm. It's just assumed that women can be in leadership roles. Yep.
Mark:In the same way, it is just assumed that he is Mowry, but we don't go into him as a family or anything like No.
Sarah:He's not the token one.
Mark:And he doesn't have
Sarah:Nobody says, oh well it'd be nice to have you on the team because you'll understand this that or And there's no
Mark:time where he's talking to Todd or anything like that where they're like well they wouldn't understand. Nope. Like, it's it's nothing like that.
Sarah:Nope. It's just not a thing.
Mark:That like like a lot of shows that did this, it's like a world without COVID. Mhmm. We're we're just assuming that COVID didn't happen
Sarah:in this place. Which is fine. People don't need to be reminded of that.
Mark:Well, Sarah, we have another mini for this week coming out for the last episode, the Odes Christmas. Ode's to Christmas. Mhmm. Which has a interesting method of death if you've read the synopsis. Poor Santa.
Mark:And we will be covering one of my favorite episodes o seven, season seven episode three, Dog Day Morning, the next episode, which is a direct reference to Dog Day Afternoon and is perhaps since, and I don't know if you remember this, in the movie Snatch, there is a horrible robbery gone wrong.
Sarah:Mhmm.
Mark:Do you remember that?
Sarah:Mhmm.
Mark:They tried to rob a betting establishment and it goes just horribly wrong. This may be the second worst
Sarah:The second worst robbery?
Mark:Of all time. They walk in and somebody recognizes them right away.
Sarah:Yep. So Hey, Dave. What are you doing? Yeah. Why you got a gun?
Mark:Will be introduced charmers, and we will see more of the chick of the pigeon costume.
Sarah:Yes. I love the porky pigeon. The porky pigeon. It would only be better if Ray, being as cheap as he is, bought a costume, like a mascot costume that had a pigeon body but a pig head.
Mark:Oh, that would be fantastic.
Sarah:It would be So that would make the name make sense anyway?
Mark:If Ray could get it cheaper, he would be the one.
Sarah:He would do it. Yeah. And that would explain why it's called the Porky Pigeon. Until then. Bye, maniacs.
Mark:Bye, maniacs. Thanks for joining us on the Mystery Maniacs podcast. If you enjoyed our crazy podcast today, don't miss out on future episodes. Follow us on social media for updates, beyond the scenes content, and exclusive sneak peeks. Subscribe, like, and share to spread the word.
Mark:Bye, Maniacs.
Sarah:What would a pig chicken pig pigeon sound like?
Mark:I guess.
Sarah:Sweet poo.
