Outside The Circle Of Law | Brokenwood | "Something Nasty in the Market" | Mystery Maniacs Podcast EP240
It's a Venn diagram Yes. Where one circle is inside the other circle.
Mark:So so now Johnny freely admits that sometimes he does things that may be outside the circle of law.
Sarah:Yes. And he gets away with it by just closing his eyes.
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:Hey, maniacs.
Mark:Hey, mystery maniacs. Mystery maniacs is a comedy recap podcast dedicated to Mystery TV. Each week we dig into an episode of the show including the murders, the mayhem, the loonies, and everything else we love.
Sarah:This week, Broken Woods season seven episode four, something nasty in the market. I'm Mark. I'm Sarah. You you like us little song. I'm Mark.
Sarah:I was waiting for the next line.
Mark:If you let your kids go to the market by themselves, I guess they can listen to the podcast.
Sarah:Just don't let them get forked. Forked?
Mark:Boy, we've watched a lot of television lately.
Sarah:We have. There's been a lot of good stuff.
Mark:There has been a lot of good stuff and there's a lot of horrible stuff in the world that we don't want to watch.
Sarah:That's true. We've finished apartment q. We won't give anything away except to tell you that if you are in love with the books, it does end differently, but it's good.
Mark:I give it a solid nine and
Sarah:a half out of 10. Same.
Mark:Because I like the original ending. Yep. But they do good here.
Sarah:Yep. It works. It absolutely works.
Mark:It does. Speaking of endings, I Jack Wright.
Sarah:It's called I, comma, Jack Wright on BritBox.
Mark:It's on BritBox.
Sarah:Don't watch it. It's it
Mark:is the lost of mystery television. Yes. So I've I've told you this story before but I'll tell it again. 22 episodes of Lost, the first season of Lost. We were presented at the end of the first season with Lost with a ladder.
Mark:Mhmm. And I said, I'm out. Because they're just screwing with us or they're making it up as they go along.
Sarah:Yeah. I I think iJack Wright is worse.
Mark:I agree.
Sarah:It it follows the structure that you expect from, like, a limited run show that will resolve at the end, and it doesn't.
Mark:It doesn't We're
Sarah:not gonna give anything away except to say, at the end of it, they do not solve the murder. It is to be continued.
Mark:There is a spoiler laden discussion on the subreddit.
Sarah:On the Midsommar Maniac subreddit. Mystery Maniac subreddit.
Mark:Which you can join and mark as spoilers.
Sarah:Yes. So But it I recommend it if there is a season two. If season two comes out, by all means, watch season one. But until then, spare yourself.
Mark:I gotta see a really good season two episode one or else I'm the latter out again.
Sarah:You're gonna be like, ah, they're still not gonna solve it.
Mark:Yep. Now like It's also a show where
Sarah:you don't like any of the characters. You're not rooting for anybody.
Mark:Any of the characters. There's a difference here. When I went into Twin Peaks, it's David Lynch. I knew there was a murder mystery, but I knew there was a very good chance that it was gonna be solved in a weird way or not solved at all.
Sarah:Well, and I would say the same thing about Lost. It presented itself as this weird kind of Lynch y sort of strange show with twists that you didn't expect. I, Jack Wright, presented itself as a typical British murder mystery. Yeah. With a limited cast of characters who could have done it, detectives to solve the mystery, and you expect them to at least resolve some of the threads.
Sarah:Not only did they not do that They
Mark:added threads in the last five minutes at
Sarah:the They sprayed the threads they had. Yep. And then they macrame some more in and then tie dyed them and spread them all around. Yeah. It was really frustrating.
Sarah:Death Valley, not frustrating. We've been watching that. We've watched a few more episodes of it now.
Mark:It is a wonderful new cozy.
Sarah:It's fun. It's cute.
Mark:It's cute.
Sarah:It's not serious. No. It's not gritty.
Mark:And boy, is it full of Midsummer people.
Sarah:Oh, it's absolutely Midsummer, Midsummer, Midsummer. And then kind of different show that we've started watching because I have read the books And Danish recommended to us like
Mark:a thousand times.
Sarah:Is Murderbot. It's on Apple TV. It's a sci fi sort of. I mean, it's set in the future.
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:But the sci fi part of it really isn't what's important. Yes. It's far funnier than you expect it to be. It doesn't look like a funny show.
Mark:Yes. And it's called Murderbot.
Sarah:And it's called Murderbot. But it's very clever. Yes. I I really like it.
Mark:I would agree.
Sarah:Somebody's got not only Father's Day coming up but a birthday this week.
Mark:Yes. So this episode drops on the June 16 and then our next episode will drop the June 30 and in between those events Birthday boy. Is my birthday.
Sarah:Your birthday, it's your birthday.
Mark:Yes. I turned 60,000,000.
Sarah:No, you don't. Okay.
Mark:I've been turning 60. 75 quadrillion.
Sarah:He's impossible people. You can't buy him anything. He's already got it or doesn't want it or can't tell you what it is. Or the only thing that he wants is super expensive or impossible to find. He's impossible.
Mark:Sorry. Impossible. I want I want you all to have a wonderful birthday of my birthday.
Sarah:Yeah. Last year, we didn't have power.
Mark:Yes. Last We
Sarah:ate sandwiches in the dark.
Mark:If you remember, last year, we had a power outage for five days.
Sarah:Five days.
Mark:Were five days without power.
Sarah:And it started on your birthday.
Mark:And to tell you Happy birthday. To tell you the truth, by the yeah. Because remember, we ordered Indian food.
Sarah:Yeah.
Mark:And by the end of those five days, we were a bedraggled household.
Sarah:We were stinky and combative. Yes. And hot. Very hot.
Mark:Sarah called me at work and said the power is back on. I drove home and the power was off again. Yeah. That was cruel. And everybody was like, don't tell Mark the power off.
Sarah:Yeah. I can tell the power's He's gonna be able to tell. This year should be better. Hopefully. Hopefully.
Sarah:Okay. Are you ready to talk about something nasty?
Mark:Oh, boy. Lots to talk about here. So originally aired date, the 04/19/2021, directed by Jeffrey Cawthorn and written by Fiona Samuel who also wrote the book episode. She has written the two Petra episodes and those two only. Sarah, I am a vain and selfish man.
Sarah:Okay.
Mark:Do you know why I'm a vain and selfish man?
Sarah:I don't think you are either of those things. I But why do you say?
Mark:I am indeed both of those things because I take a perverse sense and joy in proving IMDb trivia notes incorrect.
Sarah:That makes you pedantic. Not vain.
Mark:No, those people are just bad.
Sarah:They take the time to add a trivia point to the episode notes on IMDb
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:Which means you have to create an account Yes. And then you have to add it, and somebody's gotta approve it
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:And you enjoy proving them wrong? Yes. And what is wrong?
Mark:The note says the episode title is in reference to something nasty in the woodshedding 1942 mystery detective novel by Anthony Gilbert. Gilbert, pen name of British author Lucy Beatrice Maylson, has sometimes become popular saying indicating there might be something hidden nearby hidden danger nearby. That novel was indeed written in 1942. Mhmm. But what did we make reference to this particular phrase in the previous episode?
Sarah:We made reference to Cold Comfort Farm.
Mark:Cold Comfort Farm, a comic novel by English author Stella Gibbonson, published in 1932. Oh. Boom, baby. I do not believe that Cold Comfort Farm is the source of this phrase, but I believe it was in the vernacular for decades before the novel in 1942.
Sarah:You mean one decade?
Mark:At least decade. At least one decade.
Sarah:So there's something nasty at the market and the market that we're referring to is the Brokenwood Market. With Farmers Market?
Mark:It's a farmers market. There is our favorite and only artisanal cheese maker. Dylan. Dylan. Dylan McCracken.
Mark:Micah's so grumpy.
Sarah:I would think that he would like a farmers market.
Mark:I would think so too. Frodo's here.
Sarah:Of course he is. And so is Timmy Time Toilets.
Mark:Yes. So Timmy Time Toilets, though Timmy Time does not make an appearance. His toilets do.
Sarah:Last seen in the steampunk episode.
Mark:And his fantastic mascot of a loo roll with eyes and a giant smile.
Sarah:He's a happy little toilet paper.
Mark:He's very happy toilet paper.
Sarah:At least this time they don't have bike wheels strapped to him. No. Speaking of Frodo, I happen to notice that the latte bucket price has gone down
Mark:Oh, has?
Sarah:To $4.20.
Mark:Oh. That's much cheaper.
Sarah:It was $20 before he stuck a Ford in front of it.
Mark:There is a baker. There's also chutney
Sarah:Uh-huh.
Mark:And there's the butcher.
Sarah:Pete's Mighty Meats.
Mark:Pete's Mighty Meats. Last seen Pete was in the Christmas episode.
Sarah:Mhmm. He of the sausage. So the whole plot is around the death of Sophie Granger. Chef, cookbook writer, lifestyle entrepreneur. Yeah.
Sarah:Are there any lifestyle entrepreneurs that you follow?
Mark:I guess the maker lifestyle. I guess the guy the maker people that I follow are sort of in that. And then I I watch an enormous amount of narrowboat people, which I probably shouldn't. I have the weirdest collection of eclectic taste. People who make stuff, drive narrowboats, or talk about hockey.
Sarah:Yeah. That's pretty much the or or comics, I guess. Yeah. I don't know. This kind of like lifestyle, like, it started with kinda Martha Stewart, I guess.
Sarah:I think there were people before her, but she's kind of the biggest one of my era. And now, I guess she's not Princess Meghan anymore. Meghan Markle has her lifestyle I find lifestyle people
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:Really annoying.
Mark:I can absolutely understand and they do it they make her look incredibly Oh, type A. She's horrible. She is a horrible person.
Sarah:Not only is she super uptight, controlling, vicious, but she's inauthentic. She stole all the recipes that she's famous and she's incredibly bad to her kids.
Mark:No wonder she gets forked, and not just wanting to do it with the artisanal cheese maker.
Sarah:I mean, say what you want to about Martha. She went to prison and all that, but I think she actually lives the lifestyle that she was promoting. Like she actually likes to throw parties and make people happy and have company. Yeah. You know?
Sarah:This woman's just thief. She's pretending to be all those things. And I find it interesting that Sims says, well, she self published all of her books, so she's falling in I
Mark:have a note that says self publishing doesn't work like
Sarah:doesn't pay.
Mark:As a self publisher of comic books, that's not how
Sarah:that works. I think what they were trying to imply is that she kept all the profits, you know, like Yeah.
Mark:That's not how publishing works.
Sarah:How publishing really works.
Mark:Also, the world's most stupid human being shows up.
Sarah:Who
Mark:is? Frodo's cousin. Johnny Odes. Johnny Odes.
Sarah:Petra is there because Dylan is there. Yes. She's not Petra McCracken. No. She left Willie in the car.
Sarah:Yeah. That's bad. No. Why didn't you leave Willie at home?
Mark:Mike should have went and opened up the car
Sarah:Free Willy. And
Mark:freed Willie.
Sarah:I don't care what Sophie likes, whether there can be dogs there or not.
Mark:Like, I understand that you don't want to have a dog if you don't have to in this scene. Because animals are a whole different
Sarah:I get it too. Leave him at home. Don't advocate for leaving a dog in the car.
Mark:Can understand that, right? But you just say, oh, he's around here somewhere.
Sarah:Or he's at home. He was asleep on, you know, on the couch when we left.
Mark:Yeah.
Sarah:Talk about leaving him in the car. Just don't
Mark:leave a dog in the car.
Sarah:And then there's Cressida. Yes. She of the horrible bad wig.
Mark:Cressida's wig is bad. It apparently leaks in the shower or like what like it leaves dregs in the shower. I don't know what you would call
Sarah:I think they made her wear the bad wig only so they could say that she has gray hair. Yeah. So they could say that she looks older than Sophie, and like, why is Rory having an affair with an older woman? She's not older. Her hair is just gray.
Sarah:Oh, and I found these gray hairs and they can't be mine. Like she could have been a bleach blonde or a ginger. She could have had bright red hair. Yeah. Or whatever hair that actress has.
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:That wig
Mark:is so because it's not that red hair.
Sarah:It's just horrific. It's so it was distracting.
Mark:I have a note that says gray haired wigs don't work like that.
Sarah:Well, it's straight wigs don't work
Mark:like that.
Sarah:Yeah. Like, was, like, sticking I'm sorry. We're going on about it. She makes chutney. Yes.
Sarah:Do you like chutney?
Mark:I like tamarind chutney on Papa Don's. Yeah. I realize that in the the podcast about food by James A. Castor and what's his name?
Sarah:Gamble. Gamble. Gamble.
Mark:Asked the question It's called
Sarah:off menu. Papa Dums are bread. Papa Dums are bread.
Mark:I am solidly in the Papa Dons category. Papa Dons and and tamarind chutney is a joy in life. Yes. But I'm not really a chutney person other than that.
Sarah:Because it's cooked fruit.
Mark:It is cooked fruit.
Sarah:Well, mean and it almost always includes some kind of fruit.
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:Know. Though it can include all kinds of other things.
Mark:I do like raw cold fruit. That is what I like.
Sarah:Dear listeners, Mark is a man of mysteries and dichotomies. He's complex. And one of the ways that he is complex is his hatred of pie. Do not like pie. Now when we met and he said he didn't like pie, he said it was because crust.
Sarah:He does
Mark:not like I don't like the crust.
Sarah:Pie crust.
Mark:No. I do not like pie crust.
Sarah:Years later, it became I don't just dislike pie crust, I dislike warm cooked fruit.
Mark:I dislike warm fruit. Yes.
Sarah:So I said, well, how about room temperature cobbler?
Mark:By the way
Sarah:No crust, just crumble on top. Would you eat that?
Mark:This is a hobby of everyone in my life, trying to figure out what I would eat.
Sarah:When it comes to pie, fruit pie related
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:But I've also seen you eat an empanada. A warm empanada.
Mark:I didn't enjoy it. It had a lot of caramel sauce.
Sarah:You say that now. You woofed it down. It had cinnamon sugar on it. It was fried, and you ate it.
Mark:But it didn't have pie crust.
Sarah:The biggest so there's there's two
Mark:I blame Madonna in this, Madonna being my mother, not Madonna the singer.
Sarah:There's two chutneys outside of India and Indian food that are a big deal. I'll say they're colonial chutneys because they're British
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:And definitely came out of British colonial India.
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:Right? But they're still around. Yes. One is called Branston pickle Yes. Which has nothing to do with pickles.
Mark:Okay. I don't like pickles. I
Sarah:know. He's not really a picky eater. He'll basically eat an onion whole and raw, but, know, God forbid, it's a pickle. Branston pickle is almost like brown sauce. Like, it's very raisiny.
Mark:Raisiny.
Sarah:Okay. But it has tamarind and a lot of vinegar.
Mark:Like A1?
Sarah:Yeah. I think A1 is basically like really finely blended sauce made out of Branston pickle more or Then
Mark:I would try that. Because I like
Sarah:But it's chunky. It's chunky I like the A1.
Mark:I would have it on a hamburger. If somebody said, you should try this on a hamburger, I would try it.
Sarah:Then there's major gray chutney.
Mark:Okay.
Sarah:Which is mango, raisin, vinegar, lime, onion, tamarind, very similar. Yes. Cool or warm? It's it's chutney. It's a condiment.
Sarah:Room temperature. Okay. I guess. You probably keep it in the fridge.
Mark:Yeah. Would try that. That's probably what the red chutney like material that comes with our Indian food is supposed to be like?
Sarah:It's probably more authentic than major gray. I think major gray is the British Britishification of that.
Mark:They stole our chutney.
Sarah:I found a couple of others that I would definitely try.
Mark:Okay.
Sarah:Apple and cider brandy chutney.
Mark:Oh, would totally try that.
Sarah:No, you wouldn't. It's cooked apples.
Mark:If it was cool. I don't like
Sarah:soft, like super soft fruit. Okay. But chutney is like it's by definition, it's like cooked down and reduced. That's what makes it a chutney.
Mark:I know.
Sarah:Sour cherry and cardamom. Oh. That sounds good. One I found that I would not eat is called chapta chutney. Okay.
Sarah:And it is an authentic Indian chutney made from red ants. No. No? No. Thank you.
Mark:My communist mother sisters are not want something I'd like to eat. Not
Sarah:aunts. Ants. Around here, we have pawpaws and we have persimmons. Yes. And I wonder if anybody makes chutney out of I don't one of those.
Mark:So the chutney they talk about
Sarah:In Indiana, people will wrestle you to the ground to hop a fence to steal paw paws from somebody's yard. I've never had one. I don't under they taste kind of like a mango crust with a banana. They're very tropical for Indiana.
Mark:Almost twenty five years and they haven't had
Sarah:They grow they grow all the way up into Ontario.
Mark:Yeah. Never had one. The chutney here is not a tamarind chutney. Tamarillo. Tamarillo which we were wondering if it was the same thing.
Mark:No. It is not. Tamarillo is known in New Zealand as a tree tomato.
Sarah:It looks like a cross between a tomato and a peach.
Mark:Yeah. Kind of.
Sarah:And I wonder
Mark:what it tastes like. Doesn't
Sarah:taste like either.
Mark:Our New Zealand listeners, please tell us.
Sarah:What does a tamarillo
Mark:taste like? Taste look like? What
Sarah:does it taste? I think this chutney would taste like a cooked salsa. Yeah. I think so. That's what I'm what I'm thinking.
Mark:I do love a good salsa.
Sarah:There's a joke about Sims being bribed Yes. With chutney. Could I bribe you with any condiment?
Mark:Maple syrup.
Sarah:Yeah, that's true. You do just about anything for me.
Mark:Proper maple syrup.
Sarah:You're so Canadian. Yes. You're so stereotypical. As long as it's not on a pie. Who would
Mark:put maple syrup on a pie?
Sarah:Oh, I can imagine like a sugar cream pie made with maple syrup would be so good. No. I'm hungry.
Mark:No. I'm also hungry, but not for pie. I wish I could have some of that artisanal cheese, but since I cannot come within 50 yards of dairy now.
Sarah:I know. I'm I'm gonna put some cheese on the grocery list this week and eat it behind your back. Sharp cheddar. Oh.
Mark:My favorite.
Sarah:There's perfectly good nondairy cheeses out there now, and you can try all of them.
Mark:Yes. So she stumbles out with a fork in her back.
Sarah:Now Not just stumbles out. She pushes open giant barn double doors Yes. Stands there dramatically, and then falls forward with a pitchfork in her back.
Mark:I'm going to say we got through the discussion of Cold Comfort Farm without me talking much about this but I'm going to say that this is not a barn.
Sarah:Why not?
Mark:It is a hobby barn because no animals have ever been in this barn and it's not full of dirt.
Sarah:Like Now wait
Mark:a super nice. Like you could live in this barn. You could eat off the rafters.
Sarah:Okay. I'll give you that the rafters in this barn are way too nice. The beam that falls on her Yes. Is like the kind of beam that it's an investment beam
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:That you would buy to go as a feature in your new vaulted living room. Yes. Right? It's very nice. Okay?
Sarah:It's also made of foam. It's hard to make that kind of thing look too rough. But I'm going to disagree with you on the rest of it. There doesn't have to be animals in the barn for it to be a barn because you can be a grain farmer and have a barn.
Mark:You could,
Sarah:but still The outside of it is rough. There's gaps in the woodwork. There's sun shining in where there shouldn't be. There's hay. It's a dirt a hobby barn.
Sarah:Dirt floor.
Mark:No. It's a hobby barn.
Sarah:Okay. You can call it a hobby barn if you want. Because we're talking about Sophie being dead, we may as well talk about how she dies. We've it's a spoiler podcast, everybody knows it, okay? She's been pitchforked in the back.
Sarah:Yes. It has missed her spine, Gina says. So it's a three pronged pitchfork, which means it's slightly off center. Yes. So two of the tines are straddling her spine.
Sarah:Now, we have seen many a death by pitchfork,
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:Including Orlando Bloom in Midsummer. The
Mark:most famous pitchforking.
Sarah:He gets pitchforked in the front. Yes. Right? He's standing still facing the person and they pitchfork him in the gut.
Mark:Oh my gosh. I remember when we covered that episode of Midsommar, I did think that's Dark Autumn, I think the name of that episode. I remember thinking we went over that murder very pedantically. I remember thinking, we're really going over this in minute detail. It was like, two hundred and forty episodes later.
Sarah:I think it would be much harder to pitchfork somebody in the back. Because you're much less squishy on your back.
Mark:I think it would be near impossible.
Sarah:Especially if she's not like against like if she was against a wall and you did it, like face facing a wall Yes. I think you could do it.
Mark:Well, this was the problem that we had with Orlando Bloom. Why did he just not back up?
Sarah:Yeah. Or get knocked backwards. Yes. Like, you think it would knock you backwards before it would impale you.
Mark:And if she had fallen down and he had jabbed it into her
Sarah:Staked her?
Mark:On the ground, it would have been different. But she wouldn't have got up
Sarah:from that. No. But she is moving away from him. So the momentum is with her to fall forward if the pitchfork hits her. Yes.
Sarah:Not go through her. I don't think it would work. I don't think I'm just saying it right there. Plus she's a bad corpse. She's clearly breathing.
Mark:Yes. She is clearly breathing. But the body bag is fantastic with the pointed stitches.
Sarah:Yes. Gina cuts it off. You'd have to. Or you'd have to put her in with the zipper around the handle and it would just be sticking out and then you wouldn't be able to preserve the forensic
Mark:The other problem I have with this, and this is like the half of the episode, They keep saying this could be an accident. How could this be an accident?
Sarah:Well, one reason they're saying it is because they don't wanna tell people who weren't there about the details, and you don't wanna presume anything. You don't wanna be like, definitely murder, because you know, until they rule it out as being basically impossible, she couldn't have. But then Cressida and Rosie, the donut lady, we've not mentioned yet, are talking and Rosie's like, well, we can't go in the barn. It's a crime scene?
Mark:Yeah. Well, It's a crime scene.
Sarah:She didn't do it to herself. Even if
Mark:it was an accident, it would still be a crime scene.
Sarah:Yeah. So the big the the beautiful beam has fallen. That doesn't kill her.
Mark:Mike is suddenly afraid of heights. He's sometimes afraid of heights and sometimes not.
Sarah:I'm not going up there. Especially with the ramshackle way those railings are put together. They're like two by fours that are just overlapping with a few nails.
Mark:Again. Uh-uh.
Sarah:No. That is not solid building construction.
Mark:Again. Hobby barn? Hobby barn. Hobby barn. Real barns don't have railings.
Sarah:A real barn just lets you fall.
Mark:Yes. I cannot believe the things I did as a child on her in our barn. Didn't Oh, Did you 35 feet in the air walking along a a one foot wide beam all the way
Sarah:over That's rickety and crappy and might break.
Mark:Yeah.
Sarah:Did you dance on it on one foot?
Mark:Nope. I did not do that.
Sarah:I love Mike has Gina on speaker, and he's walking with Chalmers. Yeah. And she's like, I need you. I need you right now, Mike. I want you here.
Sarah:I am dancing on one foot. Yes. And Chalmers is trying not to lose
Mark:it. Yes.
Sarah:But then the worst thing, the most I think disturbing bit of this episode gets revealed. The reason why Gina is so worked up is that she has taken off Sophie's clothes and found that her body is marked up like an animal to be butchered.
Mark:And they go to find her children and talk to
Sarah:them. Mhmm.
Mark:And that produces the worst part of the episode for me.
Sarah:Hazel and Arlo.
Mark:Hazel has headphones on and Arlo is playing music. Can there not be a worse scenario ever?
Sarah:That's what bothers you?
Mark:Oh my gosh. I was like
Sarah:Well, at I was like, wait a minute,
Mark:this stupid Your headphones got in my music.
Sarah:Why does she have headphones on if she's also listening to I
Mark:have that note, and then I'm like, oh, Arlo's listening me.
Sarah:I think it's wonderful because they're each able to listen to their music without arguing about it. Now, could he have headphones on or they have headphones on too? Yes. Yes, they could both have headphones on, But then no one would hear the door, ever.
Mark:And poor Sims is like, can I talk to your dad? So she calls the dad and says you need to come home right now.
Sarah:Mhmm.
Mark:And suddenly with his magic motorcycle and we'll get to how magic it is later on, he teleports home. The Ducati?
Sarah:Yes. Well I think there's supposed to be a very uncomfortable like twenty minutes while Sims
Mark:just Can you imagine that twenty minutes?
Sarah:Wow. It would be the longest time of your life.
Mark:And meanwhile, Mike's texting pictures of writing on the body.
Sarah:Check out this Chuck.
Mark:They keep making a reference to American Gothic here, the painting. It's him that has the pitchfork, not Yeah.
Sarah:Yeah. She doesn't hold anything, does she? She just stands She
Mark:just stands there.
Sarah:Yeah, when Sims calls him, he is at the Duduck Inn ordering a macchiato.
Mark:Yep. And he has to explain to the
Sarah:More than their fancy coffees. If they have an espresso machine,
Mark:they know what a macchiato If
Sarah:they don't, they don't. Yeah. He's not getting a macchiato. Because it means they don't have an espresso machine. Why is it called the doo doock in?
Sarah:Is that like the is it like a doo stop in? I don't know. Do they have a short door and they're making fun of it?
Mark:When we get to the the the reveal of the stupidity of Johnny Oates, this whole plot revolves around Johnny Oates being as stupid in his inner circle as he is in the outer circle. The circle of law. So
Sarah:Yeah. Because Rory's there ordering his macchiato basically to build an alibi.
Mark:Yes. And I'd also like to say that Mike would be removed from this case immediately because his ex wife is a suspect.
Sarah:But she's not.
Mark:Well, we don't know. Pete's there. Pete should be selling not beef, but Pete should be selling red herring.
Sarah:He's just grumpy old dude.
Mark:He's just grumpy old dude.
Sarah:Before him, it was Trudy's husband who was grumpy old dude. Yep. Now he's gone, and it's just Pete.
Mark:Pete's So I have a problem. The problem I
Sarah:have is Is it your pie problem? No. Pete shows
Mark:the cops the map of where he was supposed to be and where he was supposed to park. We've not And he's upset about this.
Sarah:We try not to just summarize the episode. Yeah. But in case it's been a while since you've seen it, the reason why there's a map is that Sophie has purchased the barn, the farm, and the farmer's market, and all the land from Cressida.
Mark:And changed everything
Sarah:to So Sophie is now in charge of the market and gets to make all the rules, including where Pete has to sell his meat, which is right next to Timmy Time on her poorly drawn map. For a control freak like that, you think she would have used like like Visio. Like CAD or something to draw At
Mark:least PowerPoint. Yeah. It should have a scale on it.
Sarah:It's a hand drawn map.
Mark:It's a very badly made map. I'll put a picture of it in the show notes.
Sarah:And did that bother you?
Mark:It did. She's down to the minute planner.
Sarah:Yeah, literally. And I don't know. She's all uptight about the schedule for everybody bringing in their dishes that she can arrange them for the photographer who's supposed to
Mark:show me Who never shows.
Sarah:They say he couldn't get in either. That's what they say. But he's gonna appear at 08:45 and just take photos? Just I'm here.
Mark:I think he found a dog in a car in the parking lot and rescued the dog.
Sarah:Rescued Willie. He freed Willie. Yeah. We've talked about Cressida's bad hair. Yes.
Sarah:Can we talk about her moving technique?
Mark:Oh, these people don't understand how you move.
Sarah:Well, the way Cressida moves is to pack individual boxes and put them in her driveway. Yes. While dressed as C. B. Nix.
Mark:Yes. Not what you wear to get dressed
Sarah:To move.
Mark:To move.
Sarah:Plus, there is no indication inside the house that anything is being moved. No. No. I don't know where these boxes came from, but they're not from the living space. Her kitchen is okay.
Sarah:I do. Petra's kitchen is much nicer. I like Petra's kitchen better.
Mark:Petra's kitchen is much nicer.
Sarah:It's very white.
Mark:The problem with Petra's Petra's kitchen is not only does it stink of artisanal cheese, it also stinks of red herring.
Sarah:Well, there's something about the interview with Dylan and Petra I don't understand. Yes. So when Mike goes to talk to them Yes. He's at their restaurant. Yes.
Sarah:And at I didn't quite understand that. I'm like, why do they have so many tables that you can sit at in their house? Yes. And I'm like, Okay, no, no, we've got bookings. Okay, it's a restaurant.
Sarah:Okay. And then Petra's like, we can't keep talking to you. We're all booked up, right? So they're very busy. Okay.
Sarah:So Mike and Sims leave, and they stop outside to have a conversation. Petra comes out
Mark:And goes, why are you still here? He's like, you just left.
Sarah:But then Mike and Petra go off to Petra's house and have a conversation and a glass of wine and some I thought she was super busy.
Mark:It's so weird.
Sarah:I don't get that. Yeah. But I love how big her kitchen island is.
Mark:She has a beautiful island. It's just
Sarah:I want it. It looks like it's got a slate top. It's so nice.
Mark:You have to understand that we're thinking of doing renovations in the next eighteen to twenty four months. So we're looking at a lot of houses. And in addition, our house is laid out in such an improper way that we have to essentially go through 15 doorways to get the dog out in the morning.
Sarah:And our kitchen is like a Gordian knot
Mark:in the middle
Sarah:of our house. So Dylan is the one who brought the pitchfork to the barn because he has a collection of farm implements. Yeah. So there's, again, no way it's sharp enough to impale somebody on. Tetanus, yes.
Sarah:Impalement,
Mark:no. Also, hobby pitchfork. Everything is hobby about these people.
Sarah:Yeah, yeah, yeah. What did you think about Sophie and Rory's house while we're talking about houses?
Mark:Sophie and Rory's house is incredibly beautiful and like no self published book ever paid for a house like that and bought a Ducati.
Sarah:I don't know, wasn't Twilight self published the one? It might. Still. Yeah, they're doing all right for themselves. He says, we didn't have life insurance.
Sarah:Rory does because we have no debt. Yeah. Like, oh, so you've got two kids who are nearly college age, a Ducati. This house, seemingly, I would assume Sophie's got some kind of vehicle and her own business, and you have no debt. Yep.
Sarah:Oh, must be nice.
Mark:Well, know, self publishing.
Sarah:Plus, don't think he works. Think it's just her business.
Mark:Well, what he does is try not to knock off his girlfriend's wig. That she's not wearing.
Sarah:Yes. His girlfriend who is a thief, she steals the red recipe book. Rosie's red recipe book.
Mark:Okay. So this recipe book was originally the baker's mom's Rosie donuts book.
Sarah:Yeah.
Mark:Yeah. And then is stolen by Sophie. Sophie. And then while she's laying there dead, Cressida sneaks in and takes the book back. Yeah.
Mark:And hides it like
Sarah:okay. You're in a
Mark:room, you don't shove things
Sarah:in a No. Well, was on the table Yeah. Where she just put the stolen item from the crime scene.
Mark:Now one thing that we haven't mentioned about Rosie is she kinda looks like another person in the episode. Who? Did you notice that? No. She looks like Mrs.
Mark:M because she's Mrs. M's actual daughter.
Sarah:Oh. Donut Rosie is Mrs. Marlowe's the actresses are related?
Mark:The actresses are mother and daughter. I have
Sarah:to look at them again to see the resemblance because it didn't hit me but Rosie's in like Mrs. M has quite the aesthetic.
Mark:The episode for like five With the
Sarah:sunglasses and the beret. Yes. Hanging out by the toilet She
Mark:sells quilting stuff. How much quilting do you have to do to sell it on a regular basis? Like, you've got to be quilting all the time.
Sarah:Depends what you make. If you make quilted trivets or wall hangings
Mark:I suppose.
Sarah:Depends whether you use a machine to do it or not. You can churn some stuff out.
Mark:I guess. Wow. So I was very Let's deal let's deal with the thing that you brought up, which is the writing on the body, who did it, why they did it Before and why it's creepy.
Sarah:Before we do that, but related to it Okay. I was really uncomfortable when Gina shows up in the raincoat. Yeah. In the trench coat.
Mark:Oh my gosh. She flashes Mike.
Sarah:I think she's got a negligee on. Maybe?
Mark:Like That that crosses the line.
Sarah:It's very She
Mark:could not have been there. She she could have done it on her arms. Yes. She didn't need to do that. She opens the coat.
Mark:It's played for comedy and we've talked about it playing played for comedy, but that crosses the line.
Sarah:It's too far. You're right. She could have drawn a line on her arm, and then drawn another one and drawn another one and tried to wash one off to see how long they would last.
Mark:Yeah. I think even like, if Sims walks in at that point in time, she's got a report.
Sarah:Oh, yeah. Yeah. That Gina's in there in lingerie. Yeah. Never mind that she drove there like that.
Sarah:Yeah. It's unprofessional. Bad Gina.
Mark:Driving around in lingerie is a whole different thing.
Sarah:And the so so she she does that to see, they're trying to estimate when somebody drew on Sophie. Like they're trying to figure that out.
Mark:So remember Sophie's covered with
Sarah:Marked up, mark ups like a butcher.
Mark:Like a butcher does.
Sarah:Including the word Chuck in her cleavage. Yes. Like literally in her cleavage it says Chuck.
Mark:Now this we find out that this is a not as evil as we think it is but b more
Sarah:Just as upsetting. Yeah. Just as blech. Yeah. Because initially you think, oh my gosh, the killer was like
Mark:Seeing her as meat? As gonna butcher her?
Sarah:Cut her up or something. But the killer couldn't have stripped her down in the barn in the two point two minutes between Cheesy Dylan leaving and her getting killed. So it had to have been there before. Okay, so how did that happen? Well, she's an alcoholic and takes tramadol.
Sarah:Yep. So she knocked herself out. And then her two children stripped her naked and drew on her unconscious body.
Mark:It's the thing I don't like most about this episode. Like, they could have written on her arms and so she had to wear long sleeves. Yeah. And it would have been like it's dramatic, it's visual, I understand what they were going for, but it just doesn't hit.
Sarah:Like if they wanted to, so what Hazel wants to do is drive home the idea that meat is murder. Yes. And meat is cruel. And Sophie is very cruel. I understand Hazel's motivation to want to put her mom in a position where she's embarrassed.
Mark:She's incredibly cruel to both of her children.
Sarah:Oh, she's so mean. And if she had drawn a dotted line around her elbow and put like leg of lamb on her forearms or something, you know, or even, I don't know, written killer on her forehead.
Mark:Or something.
Sarah:But to mark her up so completely while she was unconscious, passed out in her own bed Yeah. Is it's like a almost like a crime. Really?
Mark:Yeah. And it's it's I wouldn't touch my mom.
Sarah:No. No. Like Like, even if they didn't strip her naked, let's just say that she's in, like, a tank top and shorts. Yeah. There's still, pull her tank top down so I can write this in her cleavage.
Sarah:Okay. Flip her over. Pull her shorts up so I can write this on her butt cheek.
Mark:And they estimate it probably took two hours to do.
Sarah:I don't know that it would have taken that long, but it would have taken a while. Maybe they could have just figured it out by the handwriting.
Mark:Maybe.
Sarah:Other than for the sake of diversity, the fact that Arlo is non gender specific is just an opportunity for Sophie to be mean to somebody.
Mark:Yeah. At I was I'm really
Sarah:glad that they're not afraid of her, and they are absolutely themselves, and don't hide who they are. Yeah. But to then say, Okay, and both of her children were involved in doing this to her is almost, almost insinuating that it would be something that somebody like Arlo would do.
Mark:Yeah. Like they get
Sarah:They don't say it and I'm glad they don't.
Mark:The Arlo part, they get so right and then they go wrong. Mhmm. Because they are definitely going with the story is it's no story. Yeah. Everyone just accepts Arlo for what they are.
Mark:Yep. And that's cool.
Sarah:Right.
Mark:And that's the way it should be of course.
Sarah:Absolutely. And And Arlo and Hazel are close.
Mark:When she's mad, the mom says hurtful things
Sarah:Yep.
Mark:That Everybody Marlo is gonna feel. Yep. Okay? That's a great storyline. Yep.
Mark:I don't think the mom is actually homophobic.
Sarah:No, just think she's utterly intolerant of anybody who's out of
Mark:line. And I think she's mad and frazzled. Mhmm. But the whole we drew on mom naked
Sarah:While she was unconscious.
Mark:It's just wrong. Yeah. It shouldn't be there. I didn't like it at all.
Sarah:No. It is it is very striking.
Mark:Never mind the
Sarah:fact When they reveal it.
Mark:Yeah. Never mind the fact that the mom is openly pawing other people.
Sarah:Oh. She's bad in every way, which a good victim is because you're not sorry that they're dead. Yeah. Okay. Let's move on to something fun.
Sarah:Johnny is an entrepreneur now. I love when he's mowing the lawn at Sophie's and he sees Mike and he like steps on the gas. He goes really fast. I'm out of here.
Mark:So Johnny Oates is an interesting dude because well of all we thought he was in prison. He's not in prison.
Sarah:He's out.
Mark:He's gonna be in prison. The Odes family episode is the episode of season of the next season. So I think that's the one where he goes to prison.
Sarah:It I think the Odes except for Frodo have sort of a rotating door for the prison. Yes.
Mark:I think they're well known.
Sarah:There may be an Odes wing. Yes. You know, where they can all hang out.
Mark:But the idea here is this. And they do a brilliant goof on on True Detective here. Right? So True Detective was an HBO series. Season one included Matthew McConaughey giving this weird speech while drinking canned beer about how time is a flat circle.
Mark:Yes. Right? It works in that show. Yes. Okay?
Mark:They are totally goofing on it
Sarah:too. It works for Johnny too.
Mark:So Johnny tells about circles.
Sarah:He does things outside the circle of law, and they're like, oh, law is a circle? He's like, yeah, like the circle of life, but it's a circle of law. And sometimes I do things outside it. It's like a big a circle of life is the big circle. Yes.
Sarah:And then inside of it is the circle of law. Chalmers and Mike are sitting there going, no, they're the same size. Like, they're the same circle. Never
Mark:mind the fact that circle of life is a circle because it's a cycle, not a No.
Sarah:It's the circle of life. It's the circle that contains it's a Venn diagram
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:Where one circle is inside the other circle.
Mark:So so now Johnny freely admits that sometimes he does things that may be outside the circle of law.
Sarah:Yes. And he gets away with it by just closing his eyes.
Mark:Yes. Someone has offered you a $30,000 motorcycle to publish to to post
Sarah:A letter.
Mark:A card. Yeah. It's clearly a card.
Sarah:A birthday card.
Mark:And to take a ride and get some gas. Yeah. Okay. He is the stupidest human being on the plane.
Sarah:Well, he says he thinks that Rory is like just covering up for an affair. Okay. That's a really expensive rendezvous.
Mark:Even if he's covering up for an affair, he's still stupid.
Sarah:Now if Rory had said, look, Johnny, I got this thing on the side, and it'd be really convenient for me if every Sunday when I say I'm gonna go for a ride on my bike, if you would take my bike out, go to a few places, be seen Yep. So I can be doing what I wanna do and nobody will know that I wasn't doing what I said I was. You can keep the bike.
Mark:No. No. That's the problem
Sarah:I have.
Mark:Right. Is you can keep the bike. It's a $30,000
Sarah:Ducati.
Mark:No. The Ducati is an 80,000 dollars Okay?
Sarah:Does he get to keep the bike in the end?
Mark:Well, we'll get to the end. Okay. There's all sorts of stuff again.
Sarah:But, you know, Johnny is he's used to being outside the circle of law. You know?
Mark:As a chick magnet, do you exist inside them? I love Sims face
Sarah:when he
Mark:says chick magnet.
Sarah:Well, does have that rose tattoo on his hand. I'm sure women love that when he goes to buy candy bars. If somebody walked into a convenience store in in their leathers and their helmet and their visor was down, I would
Mark:be creeped out. You're in an eighties horror movie.
Sarah:That's like wearing a ski mask.
Mark:Yeah. There's some eighties horror movie where there's a biker dressed like that.
Sarah:But there's it's not a real person inside it. Something. It's like a bad, like a zombie
Mark:Zombie or demon. Demon, I
Sarah:just think it's really suspicious when somebody comes in in a tinted visor and doesn't even lift it up to make eye contact with If they were out at the pump, don't care. But if they come in, you gotta at least lift the visor. If not, take the helmet off. Yeah. No shoes, no shirt, no taking your helmet off, no service.
Mark:I do love that they have to check with the butcher about if he's having sex with Sophie.
Sarah:Sophie. That made his day. Porking?
Mark:Not in a million years. It's not even how you portion out a human, and they both have a look like.
Sarah:Every butcher's thought about it. Where's the ox tail go? Like, well, if it was a man.
Mark:We're meat puppets. I did a search for meat puppets. So there's a band called Meat
Sarah:Puppets. Yeah. But I don't You don't wanna search that.
Mark:I don't know if there's like an origin to that term.
Sarah:I I don't know, but I every image I have of it is gross. Yeah. So I don't wanna know. If it was a dude who got marked up that way, he could have an ox tail.
Mark:I guess.
Sarah:Or your tailbone, I guess.
Mark:Yeah, I guess. Why does Sims hate apricot so much?
Sarah:Oh, it's just an unexciting jam.
Mark:I guess.
Sarah:Apricot jellies, apricot preserves are good, but I mean, like, as in pie and chutney with fruit, I I like that. Yes. For the cooked fruit stuff, and I think apricot jam is good.
Mark:Well, there's twice as many of it in the world for you then.
Sarah:All the pickles, sauerkraut, and jam in the fridge are mine.
Mark:Well, no, I like jam. It's raspberry jam on a piece of toast.
Sarah:Wait a minute.
Mark:That's delicious.
Sarah:That's pie filling. It may as well be pie
Mark:It's not hot. It's not hot.
Sarah:But it goes on warm toast. See what I have to live with? This is what I have to live with.
Mark:I also have a weird thing where I have to have all my food hot. Yeah. So Petra says
Sarah:So you wouldn't eat cream tea?
Mark:No. It's got dairy.
Sarah:Well, you can't have dairy. But if you could, would you eat clotted cream?
Mark:No, plus tea is my He
Sarah:doesn't like tea either.
Mark:I'm totally against
Sarah:tea. I have had cream tea before with the scone and the clotted cream and the jam, and it is very good. But I have to say, it may be a cultural thing. Clotted to me is not an appetizing
Mark:It's not a fun word.
Sarah:But clotted cream is somewhere between whipped cream and butter. It's really nice.
Mark:So people have asked me, in fact Mo asked me this week about culture shocks when I moved here. The fact that you people call it American cheese is stunning to me because
Sarah:You think we should just call it cheese?
Mark:No. It That's the world, it's called processed cheese.
Sarah:Not processed.
Mark:Or processed. Processed.
Sarah:On to preorder. You We're American.
Mark:Get an It's
Sarah:our fake cheese.
Mark:You got an idea that it's fake cheese at that point in time but in America you put stars and stripes right on that cheese.
Sarah:Dang right we do. Okay. It's American cheese. Artificial and processed just like the rest
Mark:of us. Take my It's good. Artisanal cheese.
Sarah:I like all cheese except the really really stinky kinds and I have to say though American cheese isn't really cheese, it's good.
Mark:Yes. We find out that Sophie's husband and Cressida, it comes out that they've been having an affair.
Sarah:Are you convinced by that? Do you buy their relationship?
Mark:Sort of. What I don't buy is she would not have gotten in that relationship without him, like without knowing that he would never leave his wife.
Sarah:You don't think she would have gone out with him in the place knowing he was married? Yes. I don't know. Sophie is so awful that Cressida might have, in some part of her brain, saw it as kind of revenge
Mark:I think so.
Sarah:To sleep with her
Mark:Cressida is a broken, weird person.
Sarah:I don't it wouldn't take much to be better than Sophie as a partner.
Mark:Yes. Right?
Sarah:Like really, go out with Johnny, Rory. He's better than that.
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:He's at least not mean.
Mark:Yes.
Sarah:But I don't, I'm just not convinced by their relationship because she has, like, no warm, fuzzy, nurturing side at all. You know? She's chutney Stevie Nicks with a bad wig. I just don't buy their laying in the hay bales and being close to think he could do better if he was looking for somebody who was kind.
Mark:I'm gonna say this with as much innocence as possible. It's not fun to do that in the hay bales. I
Sarah:don't think I'd even wanna lay in a hay bale. No. Like fully dressed on a blanket. No, they scratch
Mark:the shit out of you.
Sarah:Well you see how much dust is kicked up constantly when they're in the barn moving around in the That's hobby dust by
Mark:the way.
Sarah:It looks unpleasant to breathe and I know what it smells like. Oh,
Mark:okay.
Sarah:Hot hay has a smell.
Mark:Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Sarah:Yeah. You're like, trauma, trauma, trauma.
Mark:So what has happened is Johnny has been basically employed to provide an alibi. Yes. And they go to the Duck Inn. And what is impressive to me is the Doo Duck Inn, the only one I ever found, is not in New Zealand. It's Australia.
Mark:So those bikes went across the water. It's a Chinese restaurant in in in Australia.
Sarah:If I had a really cool, like, bar, pub, and it was an old place, so it had the lower door thresholds Yeah. That you could easily hit your head on, I might call it the doo duck in. But it's d o o duck. Oh. I guess it's better than d e w.
Mark:It's doe duckin', really.
Sarah:D o e?
Mark:No. No. D o o That's do.
Sarah:Yeah. I mean, it's not work.
Mark:But it's not do. It's doe.
Sarah:I've seen the doe drop in.
Mark:Yes. And it's a play on that. But
Sarah:But it doesn't exist in New Zealand. Yes. So you don't know what this actual place is.
Mark:I love how Johnny Oates, though in outside the circle of law sometimes, gives him up in two seconds.
Sarah:Oh, yeah. He's a narc. Trudy may not be, but he is.
Mark:Yeah. We get to the recreation
Sarah:of the Mostly, he gives him up because he doesn't think that anything is wrong. Yes. Like, he's like, yeah. He gave me a $30,000 bike to post a birthday card. What of it?
Sarah:The husband's trying
Mark:to make this so dumb. Trying to make this look like an accident.
Sarah:Mhmm.
Mark:of all, getting that beam that in reality would weigh 400 Oh, to do what he does. Yeah. No. No. of all, I went back and watched this a couple
Sarah:of Though it does look ouchy when it whacks her on the back and knocks her down.
Mark:It doesn't touch her. I'm I watched this several times.
Sarah:Even if it did, it's made out of foam or something.
Mark:I'm I was a little worried that it was bouncy. Yeah. Because it's clearly foam. Yeah. It does it it falls like something with a little weight, but not a huge amount of weight.
Mark:No. But they do a little force perspective on that fall.
Sarah:Yeah. That She throws herself to the ground while
Mark:it's over her looks like it hits her, but it doesn't hit her. Yeah. But then she has the worst two minutes of her life because she looks up and sees her husband and at that moment has to understand that she is about to be replaced.
Sarah:Mhmm.
Mark:Because she knows about the affair at this point in So she knows something has terribly gone wrong.
Sarah:So she goes from, oh my gosh what happened that hurt? Yes. To a beam fell on me. To there's my husband. Wait, he must have dropped the beam on me.
Sarah:And then watches his face go, it's She's
Mark:not dead.
Sarah:Wait, she's not dead. Wait, I gotta go finish her off.
Mark:Climbs down. Oh, he's coming to help. No, no, he's not coming to help No.
Sarah:She's like, I'm gonna run. And he gets her. Yeah. It's vicious.
Mark:It is so vicious. And then, like, he is a horrible man. He is a horrible man. He's a killer. He's a bad killer on top of it.
Sarah:Their kids are orphans now.
Mark:You don't involve other people in your alibi. No. But he implies that Cressida made him do it. Yeah. We never see Cressida say anything like that about her.
Mark:She's mean. Cressida is jilted and upset, but is not.
Sarah:Well, and Mike says, so she told you to do it? And he says, no. Like, she didn't put she didn't specifically put him up to it. She just
Mark:said I think he realizes that what he was implying
Sarah:was Yeah.
Mark:And he's like, oh, no.
Sarah:I'm not gonna be able to pull off. No. No. But Hazel and Arlo are on their own.
Mark:So Hazel and Arlo, so they are under 18 Mhmm. One would assume. They're going to grandma or grandpa's house with a boatload of cash because mom's dead
Sarah:Mhmm.
Mark:Dad's in jail. So they
Sarah:I don't know. Even if you confess your your legal debts are pretty big.
Mark:Yeah. I guess so. Yeah. But I think they might be like, we're not gonna go visit dad.
Sarah:Hopefully, they'll just take the money and go off to some posh college and live it up.
Mark:I think they should. Mhmm. Where they can play their music in two different ways at the same time.
Sarah:Is Johnny keeping the motorcycle?
Mark:I don't know what what happened with the motorcycle because okay. If I was the lawyer of the husband
Sarah:Rory.
Mark:Rory. If I was Rory's lawyer, I would say, we need to talk to Johnny Oates to get that bite back so we can sell it so that you can fund your legal fees. Mhmm. Because I don't think your wife estate is going to pay your legal fees.
Sarah:She left everything to him. But he can't profit
Mark:from You can't profit
Sarah:from her murder. So So I don't know if he has
Mark:Though I watched the thing on legal myths the other day, and I don't believe any of this now. Like, you might be able to profit from
Sarah:some faith test. It just depends how you do it. Depends. Don't know how much money you've got to fight it.
Mark:So I don't think Johnny Oates gets to keep the bike.
Sarah:See, I don't know.
Mark:But it well, maybe we see him again on the bike.
Sarah:Because I could see the argument that he he got it in exchange for committing a crime, but he wasn't committing a crime.
Mark:No. It would have to be
Sarah:He's not an accessory. He had no idea what he was gonna do. He thought it was weird.
Mark:I'll tell you what it depends on. It depends on whose name is on the deed, The the, like, the ownership of the bike.
Sarah:I think it's gonna be Rory.
Mark:If if it got transferred to Johnny
Sarah:now Oh, yeah. Again because Johnny's big on the legal paperwork.
Mark:Johnny's not that smart. If it's Rory's name on that paperwork, they're just gonna go get the bike.
Sarah:Yeah. But if it's Johnny's, he's gonna be like
Mark:That's
Sarah:what that's
Mark:his bike. He gave it to me. He gave it to you. Yeah. Yeah.
Mark:Pete the butcher sells meat.
Sarah:Rosie has her recipes back, but Sophie's already published all of them. It's not like she could do anything with them except just have them back.
Mark:She could sue her estate. I don't think Rosie's the kind of person that would do that.
Sarah:No. I think it's pretty clear that she's not interested in that.
Mark:If it was Cressida, I think Cressida would So
Sarah:the sale of Cressida's land in the barn and all that stuff is has gone through.
Mark:Yeah. But it's implied that she kept the house because
Sarah:They let her stay till she found someplace Yeah. She says. Yeah. So Rory's not gonna tell her she's gotta go No. Unless he has to sell it again.
Mark:But they're done.
Sarah:Well, yeah. But she might be able to stay, but she might not want to. I don't know.
Mark:It's not as if she's packed.
Sarah:No, she's not ready to move by any means. How long is Gina gonna have that writing on her? I think it's gonna be a while. She's got some scrubbing, didn't
Mark:she? She just got the Sharpie out.
Sarah:Oh boy, who helped her? She said she had to have some help.
Mark:Yeah. Who helped her?
Sarah:Her poor neighbor.
Mark:Oh, I know who helped her. Who? The cop outside the door. Most boring job in all of Broken Woman. Wow.
Sarah:That is something nasty in the market.
Mark:Okay, folks. We're gonna take another week off because we need a break and we did a million So we will return with season seven episode five because remember this is the first season with six episodes. Exposed to the light, which is the cinema episode. Awesome. Which is funny because this reminds me a lot of we did like a murder mystery thing with Tegan and the explanation reminds me a lot of that.
Sarah:Oh, of that little murder in a box that we did? Interesting.
Mark:So season seven episode five exposed to light.
Sarah:If you like chutneys and you got a recipe, send it along.
Mark:If your husband has weird food tastes
Sarah:Don't Don't I'll sympathize with
Mark:of him.
Sarah:I love you, and you are easy to feed other than pie.
Mark:I just don't like it.
Sarah:But you're not picky.
Mark:Especially vegetable pie.
Sarah:You're not picky. It's just it doesn't make any sense to me is my problem with it.
Mark:I don't
Sarah:think I have no problem with you not
Mark:I am a man. Okay. So this is what it is. There is the circle of food. And there is the circle of food that I will eat.
Mark:Mhmm. And sometimes I branch out of the circle of food that I will eat and try something new, but pie will never be in the larger circle.
Sarah:And other times you recede screaming, no pie. Yes. Back to the circle. Yes. And
Mark:it's like the top of
Sarah:the pie. You're a strange man. I love you. Bye, maniacs.
Mark:Bye, maniacs. Thanks for joining us on the mystery maniacs podcast. If you enjoyed our crazy podcast today, don't miss out on future episodes. Follow us on social media for updates, beyond the scenes content, and exclusive sneak peeks. Subscribe, like, and share to spread the word.
Mark:Bye, maniacs.
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