Episode 155 - Mystery Maniacs - Murdoch Mysteries - "The Glass Ceiling" - The Liver Closet & Rough Stitches
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Sarah
Hey, maniacs, just a little note here. Before we begin. We learned something really fun after we recorded this episode, so we wanted to put it right here at the top.
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Mark
My brother, who we mentioned in the episode, sent me a text about Murdoch Mysteries, Murder and F Major, which is on Friday the 10th and Saturday the 11th of March in Roy Thomas Hall. The Toronto Symphony Orchestra, Yannick Bisson and Jonny Harris.
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Sarah
Oh, wow. Crabtree and Murdoch. We're going to host it and be.
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Mark
Playing Murder in F Major.
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Sarah
But they're not going to play.
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Mark
No, they won't play it, but.
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Sarah
Then they'll introduce.
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Mark
It. Yes. Lucas Waldron is the guy conducting it, but awesome.
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Sarah
So if you're in Toronto or near Toronto, you should check it out. Yes. No. What's the website to find out more.
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Mark
W ww dot tso dot caa.
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Sarah
All right on with the episode then.
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Mark
On with the episode.
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Sarah
Hey, maniac.
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Mark
Hey, maniacs.
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Sarah
Mystery Maniacs.
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Mark
Mystery Maniacs is a comedy recap podcast dedicated to mystery TV. Each week we dig into an episode of the show, including the murders, the mayhem, the loonies, and everything else we love. This week we're covering Murdoch mysteries. Season one Episode two The Glass Ceiling.
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Sarah
Hmm. You're Mark. And I'm Sarah.
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Mark
Yes. And welcome back, all the new listeners. We definitely picked up some listeners last time.
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Sarah
And welcome back, OG Maniacs.
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Mark
OG Maniacs. We definitely got some maniacs who were like, I've never seen this show before, including one person who was like, I live in Toronto. I've never seen the show before. I feel guilty as a Canadian, but I love it when you cover it.
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Sarah
They're going to take your card back. You're Canadian membership card, I think.
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Mark
But more than anything, I want to cover that. We are now Dave Bell approval.
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Sarah
Oh, your brother. Listen, my.
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Mark
Brother listened to the podcast. My oldest brother listened to the podcast and said, Good job.
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Sarah
His approval is important to you.
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Mark
I know it's extremely important.
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Sarah
So yo, big bro.
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Mark
Yeah. And Dave and Peg watch Murdoc pretty regularly and try not to spoil it for us because they get the episode six months before us. They're like, Oh, that. Oh, I can't tell you that.
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Sarah
Yeah.
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Sarah
Don't tell me. Nah. One correction from last week I think I mistakenly said that Coronation Street was set in London. It's set in Manchester. Thank you. To those of you who corrected me on that.
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Mark
Yes. And we're not the kind of podcast he was like, Oh, yeah, thank you for pointing it out.
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Sarah
Oh, no, absolutely. I appreciate that.
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Mark
We also tell the trail who's one. The admins of the Murdoch Appreciation Society on Facebook also gave us some interesting tidbits, including Maureen Jennings. Loved Holly, enjoys so much in the movies. That's why she's in the show.
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Sarah
Good was a good choice on Maureen's part and I like her.
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Mark
The first episode that we covered Power is actually one of the later ones filmed, and this was actually the first episode, the glass ceiling. But they moved the order around, which is absolutely common. Yeah, happens all the time.
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Sarah
But it makes a lot of sense because in power they just kind of dive in, like assuming you know who everybody is.
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Mark
It's a little better.
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Sarah
And in this one you get a little bit more context of who people are, which is helpful if it's a new show to you.
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Mark
Absolutely. Just to cover once again, this is a spoiler podcast. And if you let your kids put ice over dead bodies and inside us, they'd probably be able to listen to the podcast.
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Sarah
They can more than handle this, though.
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Mark
Bracken Reid says Prec Whoa. I know we have to talk about that.
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Sarah
I think his violence in this episode is a bit more offensive than his language.
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Mark
Yeah, I would agree with that. Lastly, before we begin the episode, I have another why don't we live in England story? So Lucy Worsley, who we've talked about on the podcast several times, she's a television historian now. She is a an academic.
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Sarah
She is the chief curator of Royal Palaces, I think.
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Mark
And she was.
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Sarah
Heard of her. Yeah.
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Mark
She has a new book out called Agatha Christie A Very Elusive Woman. Now, we've covered some Agatha Christie shows. I'm on the podcast before, and we love Agatha Christie. And Lucy's going to do a tour of all over England to talk about this book. And I just think it's horrible that there is a hole for Cornwall in Cornwall, and she's going to go talk at this hall for Cornwall in Cornwall, and we cannot go back.
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Sarah
The second best thing though, is that she did do a limited series podcast for BBC sounds, where she reads part of the book and listen to a couple of those already.
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Mark
That's cool.
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Sarah
Yeah, she kind of makes over Archie Christie, Agatha Christie's husband.
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Mark
Makes over.
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Sarah
Him like he was handsome, really Like he I think she says he was hot. He was like, Lucy, that's all right.
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Mark
So we're covering the glass ceiling today. Originally broadcast January 27th, 2008. Sean Thompson directed this particular episode and written by Jean Greg and Calhoun.
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Sarah
Oh, there's so much good in this one. We get to see Henry.
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Mark
Yes, we do.
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Sarah
If you've never seen Murdoch, you don't know about Henry. He's just another constable in this episode. You don't know.
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Mark
He's not even mentioned by name, I don't think.
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Sarah
Yeah, I think somebody does say Henry and somebody does say his name, but you don't know that he's going to be in every episode. I'm frankly, I'm just glad that I'm prepared for now because I spent 5 hours at the dentist yesterday. I thought I was never going to get out of there.
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Mark
We've we've had a rough two days and my foot and Sarah's teeth and.
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Sarah
Root canals yesterday. Yeah, it was nice to just sit back last night and watch Murdoch for the umpteenth time.
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Mark
I went to a hockey game. If you followed my Instagram, see, I took a bunch of kiddos. The hockey game had a good time in. Indeed.
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Sarah
I sat home on painkillers eating soft things.
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Mark
And the dog put herself to bed.
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Sarah
Oh my gosh. Okay. So, you know, last week when we covered the first episode, we didn't really talk about the credits. And there's a little bit first of all, I think I mean, we talked a little bit about them in the music, but that wooden doll in the chair with the gun has always creeped me out.
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Mark
And it's a precursor to the Belly Talker episode that's coming up.
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Sarah
Yeah, but the chair rotates so that the dolls in view and it's hand is like right next to the gun.
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Mark
Oh, it's.
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Sarah
Creepy.
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Mark
It is indeed creepy.
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Sarah
I've brought you here, Mr. Bo. And, you know, like, I just every time I wait for it to move, I kind of expect it to move. So back and read. Is that a Canadian Police Association lunch? She's the guest speaker. You're supposed to be talking about this awesome locked room mystery.
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Mark
So two things before we begin into that. We see two key shots here.
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Sarah
Yeah, I don't know that. First one, it doesn't make any it's like an illustration. It's a completely different color scheme. It doesn't look right. I don't get it.
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Mark
It's a photograph. And I found that photograph. Oh. Because I looked at Booth and Sun painters and glazers and I actually found that photograph.
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Sarah
We put it in show notes for us.
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Mark
It's I'll put it in the show notes. It's of the corner of Adelaide and Victoria Streets, which I absolute gladly walked past on my way to go to get my first. When I got my first Internet provider in Toronto, I had to go to their office to get the disk to install the internet.
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Sarah
In my day. Well, that makes sense.
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Mark
But there's a beautiful park on Adelaide. Yeah, that's right in here. And there's a really good Indian restaurant there.
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Sarah
So it makes sense then that they would include it, even though it doesn't really match its historical image. Yeah, So.
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Mark
So.
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Sarah
Kind of such a scene.
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Mark
So there's there that and then there's this whole collection of police chiefs, right? And one of the things that.
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Sarah
There's way too many of them for that room, by the way.
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Mark
Yeah. One of the things we mentioned in our little preview video reel that we did is that we were going to talk about the chief of police of Toronto and we didn't do it last episode, but this is a perfect spot to talk about him. H Grasset would have been the chief of police at this time. He was chief of police from 1886 to 1920.
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Mark
The changes he saw like.
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Sarah
35 years are.
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Mark
Incredible.
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Sarah
So he when he started it was traffic laws for horses and when he finished it was traffic laws for cars. So he.
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Mark
Saw the institution of the electronic call box and signaling system patrol wagons, bicycles, motorcycles and ultimately police cars.
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Sarah
And one more one and.
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Mark
Reorganized all of the morality squads and created the first Department of detectives. Murdoch would have been in awe of this guy. Yeah, absolutely. So so that what a fantastic tech life that he oversaw.
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Sarah
So that's the real guy. The the character Chief Stockton.
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
He of the eyelashes. Do you notice his eyelashes?
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Mark
His smile? Yes.
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Sarah
I don't know if they put mascara on him, but he's got like electric blue eyes and long eyelashes. And I hate him from the very first shot of him. Like I don't like you. I'm not going to like you. And I felt that way the first time I saw it. You can just tell. Yep. I know you're acting nice, but you're not.
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Mark
They also do a fun thing here because anyone who's studied electricity or any electrical engineering knows that there's always somebody who's like, Well, what's the difference between a battery and a capacitor? Yeah, there's definitely.
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Sarah
A poor Brock and Reid. Try to explain it and you know that Murdoch has prepped him like he's got no, he's referring to his notes. But the question they're asking him is not in his notes.
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Mark
No.
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Sarah
So Murdoch takes over. I can't tell whether the the audience in that room, whether they're happy Murdoch took over or they're like, oh, my God, this man is so pedantic. We do not care about.
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Sarah
Oh.
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Mark
Also, I think that one of the things in this episode that may have stopped them from making it the first episode is the fact that Murdoch's religion comes up in this room. And so all those men were likely Protestant. Mm hmm. Somebody would have known that Murdoch was Roman Catholic and would have kind of been pooh poohing him there.
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Sarah
So this took place in Quebec. Would it have been different at this time when there have been far more Catholics?
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Mark
Very different.
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Sarah
Okay. That's what I thought then. Completely different. Yeah. They talk about the Laden DA versus the battery and where the charge comes from. And and Murdoch just he doesn't say, well, I know this because I read a lot and I research a lot and I'm interested in this. He says it just comes to me like he just has his brainwave.
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Sarah
No.
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Mark
And he does a lot of work.
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Sarah
He's piecing together all this stuff that he knows.
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Mark
He does have the skill of a wide range of reading and interest.
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Sarah
That, yeah.
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Mark
That sometimes come together. And that's kind of his character.
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Sarah
Yeah. He's a guy they call a Polyvore, somebody who likes all kinds of information. Yes. You know.
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Mark
Absolutely.
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Sarah
So then we get the Trump. So they go back to station. There's a reason why this couldn't be the first episode, because you introduce this show to a new audience who's never seen it before with a contorted naked man right off the bat. Like.
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Mark
That's a lot. Yeah, absolutely.
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Sarah
But second episode. Okay, Naked dude in a box. I am so impressed with whoever plays this cadaver. And I looked and looked a lot and could not find out is.
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Mark
As another anonymous fantastic naked cadaver man. Yes, there's one in midsummer.
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Sarah
Also the guy in midsummer who's in the crop circle.
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Sarah
Yeah, he's excellent.
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Sarah
But this person. Well, first of all, it's a different person on the slab Later in the morgue. Yes. Then the person in the box. Yeah, that's true. But whoever this man is who's in the box, he is a contortionist. First actor second. Okay? Because the way he is folded up is incredible.
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Mark
My notes say good dead body. No, but crack.
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Sarah
Yeah, he is absolutely nude. He might have one of those little G-string PoUce things on that of not even a G-string, because that would have something that goes around your waist. It kind of has adhesive on it, but something if no matter what, this is one brave man he's got make up on from head to toe to make him look pale.
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Mark
Absolutely.
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Sarah
And corpse like. And the way he's bent makes it look like he's been beheaded. His head is so tucked up under his arm. I was sitting on painkillers last night watching this, trying it because nobody was around. I can put my head under my arm. I can't. I cannot do.
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Mark
That. The dog must have looked like.
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Sarah
Oh, she doesn't care. Are you kidding? Olive's like, whatever. As long as you don't come over here and try to take my blanket. I don't care what you're doing. Your food? No.
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Mark
Okay, so this is. This is our first scene of crime. And it's Percival Pollock.
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Sarah
Yes, Yes. Percy.
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Mark
Percy.
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Sarah
Oh. Followed it up with a no. I love that we get to see the way the note writer writes the letters out with the ruler. Yeah, because nobody writes like this.
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Mark
I am completely enamored with all topography, so that was fantastic.
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Sarah
It looks almost like ruins.
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Mark
Yeah, it looks like.
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Sarah
Both our Viking runes. When I was taking my notes, I tried to write out the first few words in the same style, and it's really hard to write way.
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Mark
Yeah, I can imagine.
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Sarah
But dear Inspector Bracken read. Have you missed me? Percy did I paid him a visit to Okay, now we spoil everything, right?
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
So we know that Barkin's doctor, Gilbert Burke and.
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Mark
Doctor Gilbert.
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Sarah
Is behind the scheme. But he's not the killer, right? AI is the killer. So let's just talk this through from the beginning. Yeah, because I have issues with understanding it. Okay, so Percy invested in Birkin's motorcycle business, but started to get cold feet. Yes. And so Birkin thinks I've got to kill him. So that he can't cancel the wire transfer of the money that I need.
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Sarah
Yeah, right. He already knows Iot.
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Mark
Because he saved him. He knew people.
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Sarah
Think he was dead. He was dead. Right.
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Mark
We'll get to the dawn jail.
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Sarah
Yeah, And he. He wants to just scare Percy, but he kills them instead. Yeah, he puts them in a trunk, writes a note, and has it delivered to the police station. And BIRKIN'S isn't like, Wait right there.
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Mark
Yeah, I'm pretty off the bed. Oh, he's.
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Sarah
Awesome. We never see in a photograph.
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Mark
Who is also incredibly mechanically inclined because that booby trap he creates is fantastic.
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Sarah
We'll talk about that when we get there. Birkin thinks, Are you just going to scare him? He winds up killing him instead. Birkin's knows that, right?
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Mark
Who's the body in the ice that they find?
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Sarah
That's II. Okay, so that's the only time we see him. We see him. But Birkin must have been like, Wait a minute, you killed him. You shouldn't have done that. And I was like, I got an idea. I'm going to put him in a box and send him to an inspector in the police. Birkin specimen. Like, No, stop.
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Sarah
Oh, and I'm going to go kill this judge. Do. No, no. If I had never killed the judge, we would have never known it. Was I right? That's what gives you the pattern. Yeah. I just has to mess with back and read. He's. You can't be happy with what he's done, and that's what unravels the whole thing. Right?
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Sarah
So Birkin should have stopped him right then and there. Yeah.
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Mark
And I think this is a precursor to things that we love. Later in this episode with sequential killers.
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Sarah
Which is what they called serial killers in the show. So we get to see Henry here. He's a baby.
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Mark
He's the baby.
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Sarah
Everybody's a baby. And then we.
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Mark
Also have another constable who's staring directly at the camera.
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Sarah
The background actors are so great in the police station. I highly encourage if you've seen it before, just don't look at the main characters and look around the background because they have so many people in police costumes, hustling and bustling, trying to look like they're up to something and sometimes they're just not very good at it. Speaking of which, the two undertakers who work for Julia.
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Sarah
Yeah. And call the body out of the trunk to put it on the gurney. One of them put his jacket is just like, blown out on the side. Yeah, like his armpit is just ripped out.
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Mark
I'm assuming that they had a costume that didn't fit him or it fit too tightly. And when they moved the body a couple of times, it ripped out.
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Sarah
And they just thought, Oh, well, he's not a highly paid guy. He might have a rib jacket.
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Mark
Maybe because.
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Sarah
The first time you see him in the morgue, he's not wearing a jacket anymore. He's just got his shirt and an apron on. So it's okay, but it's totally blown out. Look, look. Okay, Now we need you to to rip to pull this body out of the trunk, and he goes to reach for him and Ryan.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
Like, let's just roll with it because poor guy who's playing the body really doesn't have time for us to go. And so your jacket up and alter it and come back while he's naked in a box.
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Mark
He would have been naked all day.
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Sarah
Without a robe and.
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Mark
Exposed.
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Sarah
If it didn't wipe the makeup off, I guess. Wow. Wow.
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Mark
Anyway, so they go visit Clara, and there's some better. Like this whole scene is better shot and acted than.
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Sarah
Say, only the camera backs up.
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Mark
Maybe the whole four steps.
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Sarah
Yeah.
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Mark
But then it suddenly back to the closeness.
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Sarah
Yeah, sometimes. But it seems to be a little bit more purposeful in this episode. Yeah, which is interesting. If these aren't shot and they're not in order, so they start by shooting at reasonable distances and then later decide to get really close and then back up again in other episodes. I don't know. But so Clara is Pollock's widow, and Barack Reed knows her well, right?
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Sarah
Because Brock and Reed and Pollock have worked on many cases together.
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Mark
He knows the housekeeper.
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Sarah
He knows Molly, the housekeeper. Clara goes and throws herself in the yard by the clothesline. And to me, it looks like this is a different house. And then when they walk into. Yeah, the front and the back are really different.
00;18;59;23 - 00;19;02;29
Mark
They're would not surprise me if it's two different filming locations.
00;19;02;29 - 00;19;14;19
Sarah
I've seen enough of those stone built kind of cottage farmhouses to know they were stone all the way around. It wasn't like a McMansion subdivision. The way we do it now, I put brick on the front and siding on the back.
00;19;14;27 - 00;19;23;11
Mark
And I also think that this could easily be a second unit director doing this part. So that's why it looks a little different than the first unit.
00;19;23;14 - 00;19;24;13
Sarah
I mean, it's good, though.
00;19;24;13 - 00;19;25;19
Mark
Yeah, it's absolutely good.
00;19;25;19 - 00;19;27;22
Sarah
I mean, I understand why she's upset.
00;19;27;25 - 00;19;29;11
Mark
And we're off to Mimica.
00;19;29;23 - 00;19;31;10
Sarah
So where is Mimica?
00;19;31;10 - 00;19;36;27
Mark
Mimica is west of Toronto at this time, about ten miles west.
00;19;37;01 - 00;19;46;08
Sarah
Okay, so at this time it's part of the place. It starts with an e tobacco. I tell you, I wanted to say a Nokia and that's not it.
00;19;46;08 - 00;19;46;19
Mark
No.
00;19;47;13 - 00;19;50;20
Sarah
It's completely different. A tobacco was its own little village.
00;19;50;20 - 00;19;56;18
Mark
City tobacco was far further out. Yes, further out. Mimica is between Toronto and the tobacco.
00;19;56;18 - 00;19;58;24
Sarah
But Mimiko is part of Toronto now.
00;19;59;12 - 00;20;03;10
Mark
Well, it's really Queen Street West. It's like. Yeah.
00;20;03;18 - 00;20;04;00
Sarah
Okay.
00;20;04;01 - 00;20;29;15
Mark
Like and the other thing about this is for for those of you who don't know the geography, it's like Toronto is on an ocean because it is on a great what? Mm hmm. So it's either west, east or north, Right? So this water. Water. Yeah. And the whole city now, kind of the greater Toronto area kind of curves along around the entire lake and hugs it.
00;20;29;15 - 00;20;41;02
Mark
Yeah, Yeah. But at this point in time, it's out in the country, but it's only ten miles, so biking out there is completely reasonable. And riding the motorcycle back is completely reasonable.
00;20;41;02 - 00;20;47;07
Sarah
Yeah. We just don't see the transition from big buildings to the countryside. It's just he's now in the countryside.
00;20;47;07 - 00;20;51;29
Mark
Well, it is also Canada, so the moment you're out of city, you're in the country.
00;20;51;29 - 00;20;53;17
Sarah
Yeah. There's no in the middle.
00;20;53;17 - 00;21;19;06
Mark
Yeah. It is a weird thing that I've noticed here in the U.S. because there's more people here and roughly the same amount of land you get city like it's pretty much city from Indianapolis to Chicago or Indianapolis to Detroit. Like there are little periods of farmland, but not like it is in Canada, where you can drive from Windsor to London and not see a house in.
00;21;19;12 - 00;21;41;10
Sarah
More than two stories. Yeah well, it's actually I'm going to call foul on something in this episode, which is Murdoch's reaction to that motorcycle. It's the Murdoch that we get to know later. Yeah. And we're not trying to spoil anything. We're not going to. He's clearly a very mechanical engineering minded guy. I think when he saw that for the first time, he would have been like, what one right now must have that.
00;21;41;10 - 00;21;43;09
Mark
And he does that later with saying.
00;21;43;11 - 00;21;56;13
Sarah
Yeah, but in this episode he's like, Wow, we can't have those. When if everybody had one, all the horses, but I'm in a blur and I just don't think that's the reaction that I better developed Murdoch character would have.
00;21;56;13 - 00;22;08;11
Mark
And second of all, this is something people forget that at this point in time there was a climate crisis and that climate crisis was pollution caused by horse manure. Oh gosh, it smells.
00;22;09;00 - 00;22;09;21
Sarah
Bad.
00;22;09;21 - 00;22;16;20
Mark
In cities in particular. Yeah. And so they were desperately looking for different modes of transportation.
00;22;16;24 - 00;22;18;16
Sarah
To get horses out of the city.
00;22;18;18 - 00;22;26;26
Mark
The de facto is called a horseless carriage. The car is called a horseless carriage is because it's not that bad. Saying that is a horse.
00;22;26;26 - 00;22;29;08
Sarah
That's the selling point. Yeah, that there's no horse.
00;22;29;15 - 00;22;39;13
Mark
Yeah. Because at this point it was horrific in cities and I love how Murdoch mysteries completely goes over this entire thing.
00;22;39;13 - 00;22;48;20
Sarah
Oh, they even show horses hooves and carriage wheels on the road and there's not a drop of manure anywhere. And they would have been knee deep in it all the time, right?
00;22;49;00 - 00;22;49;21
Mark
Pretty much.
00;22;49;21 - 00;22;50;29
Sarah
But they did have plumbing.
00;22;51;00 - 00;22;51;17
Mark
They have.
00;22;51;17 - 00;23;02;09
Sarah
Plumbing. So there's so that is not a fact. But like it would have been 50 years earlier, that. Yes, in London that was part of the issue, too. It's just the horses that are creating that problem.
00;23;02;11 - 00;23;06;22
Mark
I also think this particular motorcycle's a little advanced.
00;23;06;22 - 00;23;08;21
Sarah
I think it's awesome. I would totally ride that thing.
00;23;08;21 - 00;23;13;24
Mark
Oh, I do too. But I think that's like a 19 tens motorcycle.
00;23;14;11 - 00;23;16;10
Sarah
You know, anachronisms, whatever the.
00;23;16;10 - 00;23;26;11
Mark
1985, 1885 motorcycle that Dolma or Dolma Benz created is far more primitive.
00;23;26;11 - 00;23;26;22
Sarah
Yeah.
00;23;28;00 - 00;23;28;29
Mark
I would.
00;23;28;29 - 00;23;41;02
Sarah
It looks like a bike with a motor strapped to it that you would certainly burn yourself on. Oh, yeah. Constantly. Right. Because of where it's positioned. Your legs wouldn't touch it all the time.
00;23;41;09 - 00;23;46;16
Mark
So created in 1885 by Dolma, right. Wagon.
00;23;46;22 - 00;23;48;27
Sarah
Yeah. Like, like Daimler Chrysler. Yeah.
00;23;49;02 - 00;23;58;17
Mark
Tim Gottlieb Daimler And while Murdoch Maybach sorry in Germany the first internal combustion engine petroleum fuel motorcycle.
00;23;58;24 - 00;24;15;24
Sarah
And they they had something close to chaps at the time that they wore to protect their legs from the engine because you would have needed it. Then we get another anachronism. We get Juliet listening to Gilbert and Sullivan on a disc. Oh, fine. Old disc, resin disc.
00;24;15;29 - 00;24;26;11
Mark
Folks, welcome to Marc's corner, because this is Mark Twain. I collect media instruments and media devices from bygone era. This means.
00;24;26;11 - 00;24;27;19
Sarah
We have a lot of junk in our.
00;24;27;19 - 00;24;28;19
Mark
House. We have a.
00;24;28;19 - 00;24;29;08
Sarah
Number of.
00;24;29;27 - 00;24;37;03
Mark
Things in our house, including some things. We don't know what they are. This is too it's a bit too early here for.
00;24;37;07 - 00;24;38;26
Sarah
An Edison phonograph.
00;24;38;26 - 00;24;47;29
Mark
The phonograph, though available, would not was not widely available. It was it's far more likely that he would have.
00;24;47;29 - 00;24;48;16
Sarah
A cylinder.
00;24;48;16 - 00;24;59;13
Mark
A cylinder. Now that the caveat here is and we don't learn Mr. Lady a little bit later but Julia is mint. She is far more mint than we realize.
00;24;59;16 - 00;25;03;16
Sarah
Yeah, her like her family is super.
00;25;03;16 - 00;25;08;15
Mark
Like she knows everybody who's in the upper echelons of a that.
00;25;08;15 - 00;25;34;15
Sarah
Helps her get her position. I think some people would have been opposed to her. Her dad's a very well-known doctor and that kind of greases the skids for her. So if if these were even remotely available, that kind of explains Murdock's reaction, because when he sees it, he's like in love with the phonograph. But then he looks over at Julia like, Oh, that's a girl that I could love because she likes this kind of technology.
00;25;34;15 - 00;25;37;10
Sarah
Like, I'm just more impressed with her all the time.
00;25;37;10 - 00;25;43;28
Mark
I just think it's hard to get one of these that is working that actually spins. That is a cylinder.
00;25;43;29 - 00;25;52;00
Sarah
One concern and the wax cylinders are they basically self-destruct to constantly like they're just not going to last.
00;25;52;07 - 00;26;02;07
Mark
We have an academic that we know who a friend of theirs came over to their house and had a very early recording on a cylinder and picked it up and it collapsed in.
00;26;02;07 - 00;26;03;12
Sarah
It just went.
00;26;03;16 - 00;26;10;00
Mark
Disappeared. Yeah, but 1906 is the earliest recording of The Mikado. Hmm.
00;26;10;08 - 00;26;11;23
Sarah
Three little girls from school learn.
00;26;11;27 - 00;26;16;22
Mark
And I'm going to tell you the Gilbert and Sullivan people know their discography.
00;26;16;22 - 00;26;18;01
Sarah
Of course they do.
00;26;18;20 - 00;26;21;14
Mark
Yeah, I think that is probably.
00;26;21;15 - 00;26;27;23
Sarah
We ran into that when we covered the the midsummer that has the stage production of The Pirates of Penzance. Yes.
00;26;28;14 - 00;26;29;09
Mark
I did.
00;26;29;29 - 00;26;34;04
Sarah
And I wrote my version of I'm the very Model of a modern Major General.
00;26;34;08 - 00;26;43;20
Mark
Yes. So this was on cylinders, too? Not on records. Do you know why they moved from cylinders to what platters or round?
00;26;43;20 - 00;26;47;04
Sarah
No. Other than just that they would have been easier to transport mean.
00;26;47;11 - 00;26;52;21
Mark
It's easier to transport, plus it's easier to make. The cylinders are harder to press than the.
00;26;52;29 - 00;26;53;29
Sarah
Oh, I can see that.
00;26;54;04 - 00;27;10;23
Mark
Records are so much easier to do now. And the other thing is we have to remember that at this point in time to record, they were setting up a wax cylinder and screaming into a yes, into a like a bell.
00;27;10;23 - 00;27;14;22
Sarah
Like literally screaming because they didn't have microphones.
00;27;15;01 - 00;27;18;28
Mark
If they had any. So you feel that they were incredibly primitive.
00;27;18;28 - 00;27;23;13
Sarah
You had to make a noise loud enough to mechanically create.
00;27;23;13 - 00;27;31;04
Mark
Well and and all microphone technology was involved in phones. Yeah. And anything else like people were like, why would you ever record music?
00;27;32;00 - 00;27;34;25
Sarah
So you can just go listen to it, live all the time?
00;27;34;25 - 00;28;04;12
Mark
Just a tiny little offset. My favorite thing, one of my favorite things about Indiana University is the oldest recording ever found was found here you a book because somebody had created a tool that made waveforms of sound as a written down thing and put it in a book and somebody found it in the book, scanned it in, and they can at you can actually hear the oldest sound ever recorded.
00;28;04;12 - 00;28;05;10
Mark
I'll put a link to it.
00;28;05;10 - 00;28;06;06
Sarah
That's amazing.
00;28;06;09 - 00;28;14;22
Mark
I'll put a link to it in the show notes. It's from like early 19th century. You're like, Oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm hearing this thing.
00;28;14;25 - 00;28;15;25
Sarah
That's incredible.
00;28;15;25 - 00;28;17;09
Mark
Yeah, it's it's rough.
00;28;17;18 - 00;28;26;15
Sarah
So it's kind of like the way the stylus moves on like a oh, the thing in the bomb that tracks earthquakes.
00;28;26;15 - 00;28;27;11
Mark
The seismograph.
00;28;27;13 - 00;28;31;15
Sarah
Seismograph or a polygraph, that kind of stylus. So it was the.
00;28;31;15 - 00;28;32;00
Mark
Thing.
00;28;32;09 - 00;28;32;19
Sarah
Drawn.
00;28;32;20 - 00;28;39;04
Mark
Turn the crank and it moved the piece of paper and you shout it into a bell and it moved this little membrane, the needle.
00;28;39;04 - 00;28;40;18
Sarah
And then that paper went into a book.
00;28;40;25 - 00;28;45;29
Mark
Paper went into a book. And just within the last since we moved to Bloomington, they found that.
00;28;46;02 - 00;28;47;19
Sarah
What's the sound is that somebody's going.
00;28;49;18 - 00;28;56;08
Mark
Know they're doing like a nursery rhyme. Oh, okay. It's a very common thing. The first record, Earthquakes.
00;28;56;08 - 00;29;03;08
Sarah
And I need you. Yes, that's the phone, right? Yep. So Percy is stabbed. We know that. He's stabbed with something like a stiletto.
00;29;03;14 - 00;29;03;28
Mark
Yes.
00;29;04;05 - 00;29;11;14
Sarah
And we get to see Juliet and the inaction with her. Those awful that awful long she puts on ice.
00;29;13;10 - 00;29;16;10
Mark
Sawdust, puppy pew by inbound.
00;29;16;18 - 00;29;35;17
Sarah
The pew by Oak Boniface farms, rate of decay, all that stuff. Everybody knows, you know, that entomologists really do study that kind of stuff too to time death and everything. She pulls those pupae out of that wound and puts them in a test tube in liquid. What is that liquid?
00;29;35;18 - 00;29;37;10
Mark
I would say it's probably.
00;29;37;22 - 00;29;38;18
Sarah
Alcohol.
00;29;38;18 - 00;29;39;10
Mark
Alcohol.
00;29;39;11 - 00;29;40;01
Sarah
Formaldehyde.
00;29;40;01 - 00;29;40;23
Mark
Formaldehyde.
00;29;40;29 - 00;29;51;12
Sarah
Something to preserve them. Yeah, something that would prevent them from living. Something that would prevent Murdock from then feeding them liver in his office and getting them to hatch.
00;29;51;12 - 00;29;54;06
Mark
I'm assuming he got Junebug somewhere else.
00;29;54;16 - 00;30;01;18
Sarah
No, that's supposed to be those. That's what he's. That's why he's timing them to see how long they take. So he knows how long the body's been there.
00;30;01;20 - 00;30;04;02
Mark
It's a bit rough here with the bugs.
00;30;04;17 - 00;30;05;17
Sarah
Her stitches.
00;30;05;27 - 00;30;07;00
Mark
Huh? Yes.
00;30;07;08 - 00;30;07;23
Sarah
Okay.
00;30;07;23 - 00;30;09;21
Mark
I know she's not a surgeon.
00;30;09;22 - 00;30;17;13
Sarah
Not everybody learned, so. Yeah, I understand that her stitches are rough. Yeah, like they are bad.
00;30;17;13 - 00;30;20;16
Mark
We have a picture that we'll put in the show notes of those rough stitches.
00;30;20;16 - 00;30;45;17
Sarah
Oh, my gosh. They look awful. Like I realize they're not surgical stitches. They're not supposed to heal, but. Wow, you could at least trim them a little closer. I mean, big, waxy things sticking off. She says he was dead 36 to 48 hours. That's what she's guessing. Yeah. In my long history of Sarah, you Googled what you. Many times I have looked into this.
00;30;45;17 - 00;31;02;26
Sarah
I looked into it again. The state of rigor and how quickly it passes. At this point, we don't know that he's been maybe frozen, put on ice for a little bit. Whatever. Yes. Because as soon as I see this body all folded up, I think, wow, that's going to be a challenge to unfold, because if he's got rigor, they're never going to be able to lay in his lap.
00;31;02;26 - 00;31;05;08
Mark
Now, doesn't rigor come in and then it disappears?
00;31;05;08 - 00;31;25;26
Sarah
Yes. And then it passes again. And based on what I read and I don't know how the freezing and the thawing would affect it and whether he was frozen when he went in the box or whether they stripped him naked and then froze him in that position to prep him to go in the I don't know, but general knowledge says it would have passed and so he would have been flexible enough to fold up like that and flexible enough to unfold.
00;31;26;02 - 00;31;36;05
Sarah
Well, when they got him out of the box, I'm glad. So they do lift him out of the box in that position, which is also really impressive that he can hold that position. I think he.
00;31;36;21 - 00;31;38;17
Mark
Deserves an award.
00;31;38;22 - 00;31;47;16
Sarah
He must have been specific about where they could lift him. Like you put your hand here and here. Okay. Yeah. Not an inch to the left. All right. I'm not getting violent.
00;31;47;18 - 00;31;51;05
Mark
If you want to give a bunch of backstory to a character, what do you do, sir?
00;31;51;23 - 00;31;55;08
Sarah
Interview them? Yes. So they have to tell you their life story.
00;31;55;23 - 00;32;04;26
Mark
This is the Chief Constable interviews Murdoch, and we get a couple of things. First, not only is he Roman Catholic, but he's from the Maritimes.
00;32;04;27 - 00;32;07;02
Sarah
And he's a lumberjack and he's okay.
00;32;07;02 - 00;32;15;26
Mark
Yeah. So the lumberjack things are bit personal because, you know, everybody makes a joke that all Canadians are lumberjacks. My dad was not.
00;32;15;27 - 00;32;24;08
Sarah
So your dad was a lumberjack for a while? Yeah. And the train men, he all the stereotypical Canadian jobs. Yeah. And a farmer.
00;32;24;09 - 00;32;32;15
Mark
Yeah. He worked in a lumber camp up north in Quebec, just like Murdoch. So at that time, you know, soon after. But yeah.
00;32;32;15 - 00;32;47;01
Sarah
So Murdoch was his mom died when he was young. Yep. He's estranged from his dad. Yes. We learn why later. We learn he was he decided to become a policeman after talking to somebody in the lumber camp about being a policeman.
00;32;47;01 - 00;32;50;14
Mark
Five years a constable, three years active.
00;32;50;14 - 00;32;52;19
Sarah
And a year ago, his fiancee died.
00;32;52;21 - 00;32;54;15
Mark
Lisa Miller.
00;32;54;15 - 00;32;56;14
Sarah
Which makes you go, Oh.
00;32;56;17 - 00;32;58;23
Mark
Yes. Oh, you're Catholic. Goodbye.
00;32;59;25 - 00;33;01;18
Sarah
Is that the glass ceiling?
00;33;01;18 - 00;33;05;23
Mark
No, the glass ceiling is the eyes that we see the killer through.
00;33;05;24 - 00;33;06;19
Sarah
You think so?
00;33;06;20 - 00;33;08;07
Mark
That's all I got.
00;33;08;14 - 00;33;12;19
Sarah
I think the glass ceiling is the ceiling preventing Murdoch from being promoted.
00;33;12;20 - 00;33;14;05
Mark
I think it's part of it's.
00;33;14;05 - 00;33;15;12
Sarah
Like a papal ceiling.
00;33;15;17 - 00;33;18;16
Mark
Twofold. I definitely think it's twofold.
00;33;18;19 - 00;33;19;29
Sarah
It's the Vatican ceiling.
00;33;19;29 - 00;33;34;21
Mark
Yes. And that like especially at this time and there'll be more episodes later on about Orangemen versus Catholic and things like that, even to my day in Canada, it was definitely something that came up. Yes.
00;33;34;21 - 00;33;42;12
Sarah
So we know Bracken Reid is a Protestant. Yes. But he has no problem with Murdoch. No. So Bracken Reid's just a more progressive person.
00;33;42;20 - 00;33;43;19
Mark
Well, I think for.
00;33;43;20 - 00;33;44;18
Sarah
Practical person.
00;33;44;18 - 00;33;50;05
Mark
I think Bracken is very aware of the gem that he has. It's going to keep it close to him.
00;33;50;05 - 00;33;51;03
Sarah
Yeah, well.
00;33;51;03 - 00;33;52;01
Mark
You see that in the last.
00;33;52;01 - 00;34;02;10
Sarah
Scene. He at least appreciates Murdoch enough to know that he's valuable to the police force and that he should be promoted if he deserves it, regardless of his religion.
00;34;02;10 - 00;34;07;16
Mark
I also think he's right. I don't think he would make a very good inspector now.
00;34;07;25 - 00;34;14;08
Sarah
I think Murdoch could be good at whatever he wanted to do, but it would take him away from the hands on part of investigations. The bureaucrat.
00;34;14;09 - 00;34;19;13
Mark
Off we are to the back and read household and we find Mrs. Brackenbury.
00;34;19;17 - 00;34;20;26
Sarah
Margaret.
00;34;21;00 - 00;34;22;25
Mark
Irwin Humphrey.
00;34;22;25 - 00;34;23;19
Sarah
She's great.
00;34;23;25 - 00;34;26;08
Mark
I love this woman.
00;34;26;08 - 00;34;53;05
Sarah
We get to see a lot more of her. Yeah, She doesn't even have a first name in this episode. No. Well, and according to the IMDB and our friends, maybe at the Murdoch Appreciation Society can tell us if this is true. Yes. According to IMDB, her character did not have a first name in the script, and Arwyn Humphreys and Thomas Craig talked to Offset and decided her first name was Margaret because later, when when he wants her to take the boys away, he says.
00;34;53;05 - 00;35;04;00
Sarah
MARGARET Yes. And he and she comes in and grabs the son and pulls him away. They decided what her first name was. Yeah, that's what the IMDB fact says. I don't know if it's true or not. The boys are.
00;35;04;01 - 00;35;17;00
Mark
Not named here. Later on they will be, of course. Yeah, but this is I think this is a really well-written scene because you know what's in the case and Bracken knows what's in the case and Murdock knows what's in the case, and no one else does.
00;35;17;03 - 00;35;41;10
Sarah
So first of all the bracken retell is beautiful. Their parquet floor is gorgeous. Yes, I like Drew in all of their house. Second. Okay, so I realize that trunks and big parcels of this size were a bit more common back in the day. But if somebody wanted to deliver that here with just a note on the top with my name on it, well, how would you react?
00;35;41;11 - 00;35;43;18
Sarah
Would you be like, put it in the parlor?
00;35;43;25 - 00;35;48;02
Mark
Doesn't she say she was out of the Ladies Auxiliary and she came back and it was here.
00;35;48;02 - 00;35;51;27
Sarah
Then the maid watched them put it in there. Maybe.
00;35;51;27 - 00;36;04;08
Mark
I guess I, I you laugh, but I had a picture delivered to the house, and I didn't realize it was delivered for six weeks because our children accepted it and placed it in an ideal spot.
00;36;04;08 - 00;36;25;24
Sarah
Yes, that's true. These trunks, though, were not cheap. No, this is not like the equivalent of a cardboard box, Right? It's got locks on it. It's a traveling trunk. Yeah. That is a major piece of luggage for the average person, not a wealthy person. The average person. That would be an investment. Yeah. To buy one of those. And now I got bought too.
00;36;25;27 - 00;36;31;24
Sarah
Yes. Right. Or stolen too. But this one has a judge in it and we don't get to see his nudie bit.
00;36;31;24 - 00;36;33;02
Mark
No, no, we.
00;36;33;02 - 00;36;49;14
Sarah
Don't. We just get to find out. They don't even open it. It's like, Yeah. And there is a body in that one too. My first impression, the first time I saw this was I thought it that it was that it was empty, that it was like it was the trunk for Bracken Reed. Oh, yeah. Because you don't see who's in it.
00;36;49;27 - 00;37;05;23
Sarah
Yeah. And the note just says, Guess who's next, Inspector. It doesn't say. Yeah. I went to see Judge. Right. So it's, it's dissimilar from the first note. And so I thought, Oh, this is the trunk for him. He's next. Yeah, he's not an judge. Henry Scott.
00;37;05;23 - 00;37;12;00
Mark
So we go back to station four and we find out more about Walter.
00;37;12;00 - 00;37;18;16
Sarah
I thought that he escaped from the Don jail after being put there by these three, five years ago.
00;37;18;16 - 00;37;23;03
Mark
So the Don jail is on Gerard Street. 550 Gerard Street. Is it still.
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Sarah
There?
00;37;23;15 - 00;37;25;19
Mark
West Part of it still remains.
00;37;25;19 - 00;37;26;19
Sarah
But not as a jail.
00;37;26;19 - 00;37;32;02
Mark
It was it was an amazing, absolutely stunning structure when it was first built.
00;37;32;08 - 00;37;33;13
Sarah
Why is it called Don?
00;37;34;03 - 00;37;35;28
Mark
Because it's right by the Don River.
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Sarah
Oh, okay.
00;37;36;28 - 00;37;41;14
Mark
And the Don Valley Parkway now, because it's the Don Valley, you have to go.
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Sarah
Don is just such a weird name for a river. It's like naming a river, Rick, you know, Or Bob.
00;37;50;14 - 00;37;55;13
Mark
What? Like there's a big sort of bridge there now.
00;37;55;13 - 00;37;56;02
Sarah
Oh, yeah.
00;37;56;03 - 00;38;09;25
Mark
And there would have had to have been at this point in time, at least over the river. But it was built originally in 1864. And there's different wings. It was closed by the time that I had moved to Toronto.
00;38;09;25 - 00;38;14;04
Sarah
So it was a it was a prison. It was big. It was it was in the city.
00;38;14;04 - 00;38;21;24
Mark
And this is where and later on we'll see this in future episode. This is where they hang people. Oh, this is this.
00;38;21;24 - 00;38;23;03
Sarah
Is not in public, right?
00;38;23;04 - 00;38;51;10
Mark
No, no. Central place of execution that was inside. It was never even outside. It was an interior place. But you could go tour the cells and stuff like that. I think you may still be able to do that now. And they have a little museum, I think then it transformed into a hospital facility at some point. But I'll tell you, like I lived in Cabbagetown and when I moved to Toronto and the first weekend I was there, I walked past this building.
00;38;51;11 - 00;38;56;00
Sarah
So is it like a groundbreaking kind of place? Was it like super modern when it was built?
00;38;56;01 - 00;38;56;24
Mark
Like, I.
00;38;56;24 - 00;38;57;29
Sarah
Think notably so.
00;38;57;29 - 00;39;05;15
Mark
Not not to the point of being like a reform oriented prison, like a.
00;39;05;15 - 00;39;07;09
Sarah
But it was just supposed to be more secure.
00;39;07;09 - 00;39;07;19
Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
Than the average prison.
00;39;08;29 - 00;39;18;20
Mark
It's there where they put the bad things to stay. And what's weird is it's it is what you would call downtown now. Yeah. Like it's clearly.
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Sarah
Downtown. So in the U.S., when you say jail, that is short term incarceration. That's like where you go between arrest and trial or where you go. If you receive a very short sentence like you're in there for, you know, weeks, you don't go to prison, you stay in the jail. But you're saying that this was probably more like a prison.
00;39;37;29 - 00;39;38;10
Sarah
Yeah.
00;39;38;15 - 00;39;52;12
Mark
And they built a wing for women eventually, too. So men and women were there. But like, there's a picture of it on the Wikipedia page from the 1860s, and it looks like it's in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, like in the middle of a field.
00;39;52;12 - 00;39;55;14
Sarah
But then the city kind of grew up around it totally.
00;39;55;14 - 00;39;58;10
Mark
Well known as one of the most haunted places in Toronto.
00;39;58;10 - 00;40;22;02
Sarah
Of course, it's like Alcatraz. So there was a riot in the jail break and a fire and supposedly iodide, he was burned to death and his body was identified as charred remains. Yeah, but he's not dead right now, obviously, because Perkins faked that so that he and I could become compatriots. Yes. Now, why would Birkin's have done that at the time?
00;40;22;02 - 00;40;28;25
Sarah
Did I not pay him a bunch of money? I don't, I guess because it's not like he had he didn't even have his corn chart business then.
00;40;28;25 - 00;40;36;09
Mark
I was waiting for my half brother or something like that. Like some reasoning why he would save him.
00;40;36;23 - 00;40;43;17
Sarah
Or I had something on me already that another. And he blackmailed me like I.
00;40;43;17 - 00;40;44;19
Mark
It's not a good dude.
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Sarah
Wouldn't know because we only ever see him on ice.
00;40;47;02 - 00;40;50;29
Mark
They go to the flophouse and there is the incredibly.
00;40;51;00 - 00;40;56;00
Sarah
Well, they don't go there yet because they got to get the tip off about the flophouse. And that comes from Delmar.
00;40;56;04 - 00;40;57;23
Mark
Yes. So Delmar.
00;40;57;23 - 00;41;04;15
Sarah
So this is our introduction to Bracken Reed taking things too far in the old school way. Yeah. He's got his beating gloves.
00;41;04;24 - 00;41;05;03
Mark
Yep.
00;41;05;08 - 00;41;09;28
Sarah
The one leather glove that he wears just to beat people with so his hand doesn't get damaged.
00;41;10;24 - 00;41;18;23
Mark
They do a very good job of not making police abuse. A really, really sad topic that it is.
00;41;19;00 - 00;41;19;11
Sarah
Yeah.
00;41;19;28 - 00;41;26;25
Sarah
I think there's just enough to let us know. This is not acceptable. It's not the way things are supposed to be done.
00;41;27;01 - 00;41;27;16
Mark
And I don't.
00;41;27;16 - 00;41;29;05
Sarah
Want to. But it's also common.
00;41;29;13 - 00;41;34;17
Mark
I don't want listeners to worry that this is they deal with this and then it goes away.
00;41;34;17 - 00;41;35;19
Sarah
Yeah, it's it's not.
00;41;35;19 - 00;41;37;24
Mark
A I think it's a back and read change in.
00;41;37;24 - 01;12;28;01
Sarah
Character. Yeah And I think it's Bracken and Reed adapting to new police methods. Yeah. This is not how we do it.
