Episode 157 - Mystery Maniacs - Murdoch Mysteries - "Elementary, My Dear Murdoch" - Ginger Sideburn’s Got A Brand New Murder Bag!
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Sarah
Elbow deep into somebody's star acts or whatever. It's Hey, Maniac.
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Mark
Hey, Maniac.
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Sarah
It's Mystery Maniacs, The Comedy Recap Podcast Focus on Mystery TV. Each episode, we dig into an episode of a show that we really like where a lot of people get killed in funny ways. You think Sarah.
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Mark
Doesn't have the script?
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Sarah
That's what we.
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Mark
Do.
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Sarah
That's what we do.
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Mark
We do the murders, the mayhem, the loonies.
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Sarah
And everything else we love.
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Mark
This Week.
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Sarah
Season one Episode four as Murdoch Mysteries.
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Mark
Elementary My dear Murdoch, which gets said in this episode, never said in the.
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Sarah
Books.
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Mark
Now, the first time we said, Are.
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Sarah
You saying that Sherlock Holmes never says elementary? My dear Watson, Never. Does he say the game is afoot?
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Mark
I don't know about that, but he never says. It's a 1923 movie is the first time it appears.
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Sarah
You did some research.
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Mark
Oh, boy, did I do some research.
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Sarah
You're overfilled with Sherlock Holmes facts right now.
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Mark
Research. Mark, this is a spoiler podcast. And if you let your kids read Sherlock Holmes stories, they can listen to podcasts. Yeah, and you should.
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Sarah
Yeah. Before we dive in, a couple of announcements. One, Fiona Doleman, a.k.a. Sarah Barnaby.
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Mark
Posted.
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Sarah
Tweeted that they were doing script read Theroux's for Midsomer Murders Season 24.
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Mark
For those of you not familiar with Greenland or how television is made, what happens is they sit down all in a room together and read the script to each other. Mm hmm. And then that's the kind of final stage in the reading. And we know we know that they do this with the writers there because we talked to a writer of Midsomer, and they told us how this.
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Sarah
Went, and they make little tweaks and stuff if they have to. So that is confirmation that there will be a season 24 Midsomer Murders.
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Mark
And based on the research I did on season 23, that would mean that season 24 will be released on ACORN in December of 2023.
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Sarah
If it follows the same.
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Mark
Time, if it follows the same timeline and there isn't a global pandemic.
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Sarah
Right. Or some other delay. Yeah. So speaking of summer, Annette Badland sent us a DM on Twitter. Hey, Mark was screaming like a little teenage girl in her favorite band comes to town.
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Mark
We may have actually had a conversation.
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Sarah
Nick, but what we can tell you is, by.
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Mark
The way, she's like all over the news this week because it was the premiere of Last.
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Sarah
Annette Badland plays the coroner in midsummer.
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Mark
And she's in Ted Lasso.
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Sarah
Yes, she plays the bar. The bar Landlady.
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Mark
She's the not soft spoken, the opposite of soft.
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Sarah
The outspoken.
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Mark
Outspoken blond lady.
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Sarah
And you're married to me and you can't think of the word outspoken.
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Mark
Both shows really In both shows.
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Sarah
Anyway, what we can tell you about that conversation right now, we got to keep some things on the down low, but right now we can tell you that she's advocating right now for a charity called Target Ovarian cancer.
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Mark
And because March is Ovarian Cancer Awareness Month.
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Sarah
Yes.
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Mark
And so what we're going to do because this disease is horrific, over 7400 women in the each year are diagnosed in the UK, with over 19,000 women receiving the diagnosis in the US and over 3000 women in Canada. This affects us.
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Sarah
All. Yeah, affects a lot of people. So for January to May of 2023, i.e. two months ago to two months from now, yes. All of the proceeds from our merch store on spread shirt will be going to target ovarian cancer.
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Mark
Now if that that is a UK charity and if you choose to not buy our merch because you want to support locally, good on your support, go for it. Absolutely. That's great. Yeah.
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Sarah
But Robert, research is research and injuries or cures.
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Mark
Yeah, it is. In saying that over 13,000 women in the US die every year.
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Sarah
Yeah. So it's because it's silent.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
And it's you don't know that you have it until sometimes it's too late. Yep. Speaking of merch, you have a new design in the store. It is. Yes. I can read in all of his favorite sayings.
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Mark
Certain image of Bracken Green. And you should go get it on a bunch of merch and that money will go to Target ovarian cancer.
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Sarah
It's on shirts, it's on aprons, it's on mugs.
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Mark
It's everything.
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Sarah
Yes. And if there is a merch, if there is a design, like a t shirt format, whatever, that I didn't put it on that you want, just let us know. It takes me two clicks to add it to a hoodie or whatever. If I didn't, I'm always happy to make those changes.
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Mark
And we will put that link again in the show notes.
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Sarah
Yes. Are you ready for elementary media, Murdoch?
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Mark
I would I would go as far to say is this even more than last week is the prototypical future Murdoch ever. So yeah, it's quirky, it's funny, It's got back and read. Being quirky and funny.
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Sarah
And it's got real, real people. Yeah. Tied into the story. So it's got a little bit of history tie in there, which is always fun. Sometimes they're anachronistic, sometimes they're not.
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Mark
Yeah, I could not find any problems with Doyle's portrayal in this.
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Sarah
The timeline for Doyle's life.
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Mark
The timeline all fits good. Maybe he wasn't exactly in Canada on that day, but he was around Canada. Yeah, he's a whole Canada thing.
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Sarah
Yeah, he.
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Mark
Did. I did not realize that.
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Sarah
He had a being out in the woods thing, didn't he? Like the.
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Mark
He was a ship's doctor from the Arctic to Africa. Yeah. Okay. He was an adventurer, right? Absolutely.
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Sarah
And he. He liked wilderness.
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Mark
He said the mighty voice of Canada will ever call to me. That's from a poem he wrote called The Athabasca Trail.
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Sarah
You pronounce that? Very well. Good job.
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Mark
I think that's about the Athabasca area or trail is named after Lake Athabasca, which is a Cree word of where there are plants one after another. It's locate it in the corner of Alberta and Saskatchewan.
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Sarah
I'm going to take your notes away. Yeah, Yeah. So we start out at the Duke Hotel. Murdoch is meeting Doyle there.
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Mark
There are a lot of hotels in the first couple episodes.
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Sarah
There is that?
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Mark
Yeah, there's a lot of hotels.
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Sarah
It's a big city. Hang out at hotels. They have an engagement. Yes. And Murdoch abandons his bicycle.
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Mark
Just abandons his bicycle. And I'm watching the credits and Googling. All right. So Murdoch drives his bike up there, leaves it on like the side of the the.
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Sarah
Sidewalk, basically. Yeah.
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Mark
And just gets in the carriage with Doyle. Yeah. And across the bottom of the screen it says Maria del Mar. And I'm like, Maria Del Mar. Which one? I asked. Oh, because.
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Sarah
She's the actress who plays Sarah Pencil the Psychic in this episode.
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Mark
She's also at first I was like, Is there one Maria Del Mar because the Maria del Mar that I was familiar with is not this actress. Oh, and I was like.
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Sarah
Who's the.
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Mark
The same person? No, can't be the same person because Maria del Mar that I'm familiar with is a very tall Amazon like woman. How do I know this? Ask me how I know she's very tall in Amazon.
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Sarah
How do you know that she.
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Mark
Picked me up?
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Sarah
What?
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Mark
Yes. Maria Del Mar is also the name of a singer from a band called National Velvet in Canada.
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Sarah
Okay. And she picked you up.
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Mark
She was a very, very Amazon like woman. And after a show in Waterloo, she came in to the newspaper office looking for drinks. She said, And I said, We have no drinks at all. And she picked me up and shook me.
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Sarah
I would pay so much money to see that I've been.
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Mark
Now you have to understand this was a rock, God forbid, from true.
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Sarah
For a long time. And you've never mentioned that a woman once picked you up and shook you.
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Mark
Rock band from Toronto called National Velvet, in which it included Flesh under Skin and Sex, Gorilla.
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Sarah
Sounds like a sex girl. It shook you.
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Mark
Oh, wow.
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Sarah
Give your woman a drink.
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Mark
So I'm just going.
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Sarah
To do next.
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Mark
She related to her? No, because they're very different people.
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Sarah
I hope so.
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Mark
I tell you what, on both of their pages at the very start, it's like not the actress Maria Del Mar, not the.
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Sarah
The singer.
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Mark
Singer Maria del Mar. They're about 20 years apart, but.
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Sarah
Not the woman who shook Mark Bell.
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Mark
No, but I was like Maria del Mar. I didn't know her.
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Sarah
That's because you were traumatized. You see her name and you're like, Oh, did she know where I am? She's going to come shake me again.
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Mark
Okay, So.
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Sarah
Admiral Doyle knows who Murdock is.
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Mark
Because of the Cabbagetown murders. A case that we never hear again. No, no, no. We hear about it again.
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Sarah
But we never find out what.
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Mark
We find out, though. But it was.
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Sarah
I think it's when people swap people's heads for cabbages.
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Mark
No.
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Sarah
No. Like a serial cabbage swap of.
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Mark
A neighborhood in Toronto where I actually used to live.
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Sarah
Or a killer made things smell like cabbage. They would just call them the stinky murders if that happens.
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Mark
So they have one of their.
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Sarah
Blue.
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Mark
Transitions here. Yes. And the wall poster gets weird.
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Sarah
I know the posters outside the police station for the photographs. Free rent, whatever. We start to see little if you keep, you keep watching forum, you see new bits and detail of them.
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Mark
In the war pictures Poster now says Belgian war pictures.
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Sarah
Yes.
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Mark
I do not know what that means. No, the closest instances that I can figure out because I read the entire page on the Belgian military are two possibilities which will surprise the crap out of you.
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Sarah
Okay.
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Mark
The first one is in 1864, where the Belgian extraordinary force was raised in service in Mexico.
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Sarah
Where it meant the Belgian army went to Mexico.
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
I surely there were army.
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Mark
People survive 1800 strong under the Empress Charlotte to fight for the imperial forces.
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Sarah
But in my head, the entire Belgian army is just poorer over and over again. So they say. In Mexico they sent 1500 euros to Mexico to fight in their little shoes.
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Mark
The second possibility.
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Sarah
You cannot take all of the mustache.
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Mark
Then more likely is the Belgian Congo is really beginning at this point.
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Sarah
I think it's much more likely the Congo.
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Mark
And the conflict at that point in time was called the Congo Arab War, which was fought in the Central African region between between the forces of King Leopold, the second who is the current king at this time of Congo. Yeah, and the Congo free state forces, including the Zanzibar three Arab slave traders led by SAFF bin Hamad to be tip son.
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Mark
Oh, so either it's Peru and Mexico may have a burrito.
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Sarah
I still think it's over. Mustache wax.
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Mark
Or.
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Sarah
Global controls Mustache wax.
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Mark
It's a fight over slave trading.
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Sarah
Hmm.
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Mark
I don't.
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Sarah
Either way. Why do people want photos?
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Mark
Do no interest on that sign. Do not come to the spiritual it.
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Sarah
Yes. So they have an appointment. But Doyle is double booked. Yeah. He's also going to a sergeant.
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Mark
That's where he's double booked to it.
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Sarah
And he takes Murdock with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Mark
And see, he knew exactly what he's doing.
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Sarah
Yeah. It wasn't an oops. I'm double booked. Nope. I'm kidnaping you to take you to a sergeant. Yes. Which just makes Murdock so uncomfortable the whole time. And we get to meet Sarah Pencil, who is a recurring character.
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Mark
Certainly in first season, maybe second.
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Sarah
Season. Her name is not Pencil B and C, and it's P and ACL. Yes.
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Mark
Pencil.
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Sarah
She's she's not a writing and no seems to be much funnier, if that would be.
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Mark
Who would be in Conrad Hunt's.
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Sarah
Yes. Who wants to talk to his son who died?
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Mark
Who died? But we never find out what how contract, how his son died.
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Sarah
No, but he must have been old enough to have serious conversations. Yes. Because later, when he thinks he's talking to his son, I'm thinking, does his son die when he was a toddler? Because that's a weird conversation. If he's a toddler.
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Mark
Yeah, like.
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Sarah
For, like, a little kid. Rivers of blood, daddy, like Miller.
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Mark
And so pencil does are psychic mumbo jumbo, right? Yeah. And says there's a girl murdered at this location 20 paces away from the road under water tower. I love how smarmy and passive aggressive Murdoch is.
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Sarah
He's like, Are you satisfied now?
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Mark
He's so totally Canadian. Sure.
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Sarah
Okay, So one question I have before we go forward is everybody refers to Doyle as Mr. Arthur CONAN Doyle, is he not, sir, Yet.
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Mark
He is not, sir.
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Sarah
Okay.
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Mark
He received his knighthood.
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Sarah
Because in my head, he's Sir Arthur CONAN Doyle. It's like all one big word, Sir Arthur CONAN Doyle.
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Mark
No, he's not.
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Sarah
Mr. Arthur CONAN Doyle He.
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Mark
Did not receive his knighthood until 1902, and it had more to do with the political writings he had done at that point. Okay, Because during this period off from Sherlock, he wrote kind of other.
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Sarah
Stuff that didn't do.
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Mark
So that didn't do so well.
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Sarah
Okay.
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Mark
Now, the other thing about his name, what is his name?
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Sarah
Arthur CONAN Doyle.
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Mark
Okay, sir. His name is Dr.. Arthur CONAN Doyle. What is CONAN?
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Sarah
I assumed it was a double barrel last name.
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Mark
No, it's not his last name. He originally his his name is Arthur Ignatius. CONAN Doyle. CONAN is his godparents last name that just got added to his name.
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Sarah
So it's a double barrel last name. But no, but the first part is from always.
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Mark
Referred to as Mr. Doyle.
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Sarah
Oh, okay. But everybody says. CONAN Not cool, man.
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Mark
That that's a whole different writer guy. Strange stuff. No, that's Tarzan, not CONAN.
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Sarah
And CONAN the Barbarian.
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Mark
The Barbarian. Tarzan, the guy in the bushes.
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Sarah
Yeah. So CONAN doesn't go. Oh, no, no, never mind. Anyway, so they go to Pencil House to have their sand. Yes, right. Because she wants to connect Hunt with his son.
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Mark
But there's a cross of the wires to the afterlife.
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Sarah
Yeah. And who comes through is this is someone saying that a girl is dead?
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
Right.
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Mark
But then we find out who it is.
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Sarah
Yeah. Now what happens in the sand? We get breezes in the windows. Yes, the table, rocks. Thump, thump.
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Mark
Thump, this unbelievable.
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Sarah
Thump. And that's how we know there's a spirit in the room.
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Mark
Yes. And she goes all boom.
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Sarah
And she doesn't really.
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Mark
No, she doesn't. She does. A very subdued psychic.
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Sarah
Yeah, she's very subtle. Yeah.
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Mark
I like the character. I like the actress. She didn't pick me up.
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Sarah
This is the Maria Del Mar is never shaken, you know. So I went. I went looking for other things that Spiritualists did to be convincing. And of course, there's a ton. What do you think of when you think of, like, the. The things that spiritualists did.
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Mark
Their eyes roll back in your head. There's knocks on the table, there's strange sounds, there's furniture moving, There's like, lights and candles going in or on and off.
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Sarah
All of those things. There were other things the Fox sisters, who most people probably have heard of, they sort of started spiritualism. Yeah, they were from Bellville.
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Mark
Belleville.
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Sarah
Ontario, but they became famous once they moved to New York.
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Mark
Hey, Ken, our friend in Belgium.
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Sarah
Yeah, apparently they cracked their toes and did it loud enough that people thought it was somebody knocking on the walls. Like, Wow, how do you crack your toes?
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Mark
Oh, I could not crack my toes that loud. I can barely hear that loud enough.
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Sarah
Another thing that Spiritualists did was they wrote on Slate on little chalkboard.
00;17;09;25 - 00;17;11;22
Mark
Total spiritual writing.
00;17;11;28 - 00;17;12;10
Sarah
Yeah.
00;17;12;10 - 00;17;13;23
Mark
So dramatic writing.
00;17;13;24 - 00;17;20;11
Sarah
No, no, no, no. They would, like, put a blank slate behind their back and pull it back out. And there would be writing on it.
00;17;20;12 - 00;17;21;03
Mark
Oh, okay.
00;17;21;05 - 00;17;41;07
Sarah
Right. And they would claim the spirit wrote on it. But what they really did was they had a piece of cardboard that was the same color as the chalkboard that slid into the frame. So they would basically add that and whip it back out and go, Oh, there are words. There was one guy who wrote on Slate with his toes under the table.
00;17;41;08 - 00;17;42;22
Mark
Wow, that's impressive.
00;17;42;22 - 00;18;01;19
Sarah
So he would put a blank. He would say, Oh, here's this blank slate. I'm going to put it in my lap. I'm holding hands. So, you know, I'm not doing anything. And he let it slide down his legs onto the floor and he had a piece of chalk between his toes. He signed his foot out of his shoe right on it with his foot and then work it back up his legs without his hands.
00;18;01;20 - 00;18;03;15
Sarah
That's back into his lap.
00;18;04;01 - 00;18;04;18
Mark
That is.
00;18;04;18 - 00;18;24;22
Sarah
And I'm impressed by that. They also had, of course, contraptions that could do things like ring bells. Yeah. Or, you know, make some kind of other noise. They had a lot of fishing line going on. They also I didn't know this one. There were spiritualists who claimed that their connection with the afterlife made them impervious to harm when they were in connection.
00;18;24;22 - 00;18;41;00
Sarah
Yes. And so they would do things like hold hot coals in their hand or put their hand in a flame and they would coat their hands with this special concoction of chemicals. Yeah, that would prevent them from being burned. And that's nuts. My favorite, though, is ectoplasm.
00;18;41;06 - 00;18;45;15
Mark
Oh, so ectoplasm a favorite of spirit photography. Yes.
00;18;45;24 - 00;18;46;22
Sarah
But they would like.
00;18;46;25 - 00;18;47;26
Mark
Throw up cotton.
00;18;48;00 - 00;18;52;23
Sarah
Yeah, they would put a bunch of muslin in the back of their throat and then fish it out and.
00;18;52;25 - 00;18;56;29
Mark
And call it ectoplasm. And then people laughed. And then people would.
00;18;56;29 - 00;18;59;01
Sarah
Photographer photograph it. Yeah.
00;18;59;26 - 00;19;14;15
Mark
So we also had to be very like, like the show here. They walk a very fine line and most of the people involved in spiritualism from the 1850s to the pre-World War two are all fakes and charlatans.
00;19;14;15 - 00;19;14;25
Sarah
Yeah.
00;19;14;26 - 00;19;20;08
Mark
So the vast majority. Yes, I would say that majority is 100%.
00;19;20;08 - 00;19;22;17
Sarah
Because it starts with the Civil War.
00;19;22;18 - 00;19;25;08
Mark
Starts with civil war and Crimean War.
00;19;25;08 - 00;19;30;21
Sarah
Right. People wanting to reconnect with lost loved ones and people taking advantage of that. Yes. Right.
00;19;30;24 - 00;19;37;10
Mark
Absolutely. And you get with that. You get new technology crossing that. And so you get photography.
00;19;37;13 - 00;19;40;15
Sarah
Speaking of new technology, Murdoch's got a murder bag.
00;19;40;17 - 00;19;43;02
Mark
He does get a murder bag.
00;19;44;09 - 00;19;46;13
Sarah
And that's not even his floodlight.
00;19;46;13 - 00;19;51;08
Mark
Bob Murdoch has a brand new murder bag that may be the name of the episode.
00;19;51;12 - 00;19;52;27
Sarah
What's in your murder bag?
00;19;53;02 - 00;19;55;25
Mark
Poppy's got a brand new murder bag.
00;19;55;25 - 00;20;06;29
Sarah
He's also got is daylight in a box, which is some kind of battery operated for. Like Jack has that that flashlight that Doyle brings when they're looking for the body is for crap.
00;20;06;29 - 00;20;10;01
Mark
Yeah, it is for crap, but it's really period specific.
00;20;10;01 - 00;20;11;22
Sarah
Yeah, but it's really bad.
00;20;11;24 - 00;20;16;27
Mark
It is. It is. So so they find a they find a hand in a body. Yes.
00;20;17;01 - 00;20;19;00
Sarah
And then Julia shows up in a tiara.
00;20;19;04 - 00;20;19;14
Sarah
Yeah.
00;20;20;07 - 00;20;23;11
Mark
Julia was obviously somewhere else.
00;20;23;18 - 00;20;26;21
Sarah
She says she says she was at like some kind of comedy.
00;20;26;21 - 00;20;27;20
Mark
That was show.
00;20;27;20 - 00;20;27;28
Sarah
That was.
00;20;27;28 - 00;20;43;10
Mark
Horrible. And this is, this is something that we'll see later on in this season is Murdoch's science and murder saving Julia from horrible parts of society? Yeah, upper society like high society, I'm guessing.
00;20;43;10 - 00;21;00;06
Sarah
Julia wasn't alone at this shindig. Yeah. So he saved her from. Well, the murder saved her from a bad date. Yeah, right. So for the station house to know where she is, she must tell them I have an engagement this evening. Here's where I'll be.
00;21;00;07 - 00;21;00;29
Mark
Well, she would have to.
00;21;01;02 - 00;21;01;28
Sarah
Come and get me.
00;21;01;28 - 00;21;06;19
Mark
She would have told her help. And they probably called her house and the help.
00;21;06;19 - 00;21;12;19
Sarah
And the maid said she's at the bad comedy show. Yeah. And so they went to the Comedy Tree.
00;21;12;19 - 00;21;15;23
Mark
Ran over to the bad cop. Well, they probably send the other guy.
00;21;15;24 - 00;21;23;10
Sarah
They. They send some uniform over there, right? Yeah. Who then has to like what walks through the audience looking for Julia.
00;21;23;10 - 00;21;25;17
Mark
Who's like, I'm over here. Yeah.
00;21;25;26 - 00;21;29;08
Sarah
Or do they, like, stop the show and say we need Dr. Julia Ogden?
00;21;29;08 - 00;21;35;15
Mark
I would assume that in an intermission it happened because you wouldn't want to and you wouldn't want to break the show.
00;21;35;16 - 00;21;45;01
Sarah
That's disappointing because I was thinking that she would have to like tell the desk sergeant that she was going to be away. And then that means that the sergeant has a list of all her bad dates.
00;21;45;10 - 00;21;46;11
Mark
Though. That's true.
00;21;46;11 - 00;21;51;08
Sarah
So we can refer back to the list of bad dates that Julia had been on that were interrupted by some.
00;21;51;13 - 00;21;53;25
Mark
She's she's been on some bad day.
00;21;53;25 - 00;22;02;06
Sarah
I have a feeling she's out on dates quite a bit. Yeah. She's got a nice tiara for the occasion and pretty earrings. She looks nice.
00;22;02;06 - 00;22;04;09
Mark
She recognizes Doyle right away.
00;22;04;09 - 00;22;08;28
Sarah
Everybody does. Yeah. As soon as they hear his name and see his face, they know who he is.
00;22;08;28 - 00;22;19;04
Mark
He's very famous. And that's totally what? Like, Doyle was on literary tours in Canada at this time. Yeah, he was a known person.
00;22;19;16 - 00;22;22;10
Sarah
And then they started talking about bullets.
00;22;22;10 - 00;22;24;08
Mark
Yes. With Lasky.
00;22;24;16 - 00;22;26;15
Sarah
Who in my notes is lasagna.
00;22;26;23 - 00;22;28;02
Sarah
No, me.
00;22;28;13 - 00;22;35;21
Sarah
Not because I misspelled it. I was just looking at my notes going, Why don't I write down what I'm.
00;22;35;22 - 00;22;35;27
Sarah
You.
00;22;36;28 - 00;22;37;21
Mark
Know, it.
00;22;37;21 - 00;22;49;16
Sarah
Is like a sign he signed song. Yes. L.A. As as a genie. Yes. Is that right? Yes. And so it's like sign you.
00;22;49;16 - 00;22;49;28
Sarah
It's like.
00;22;49;28 - 00;22;50;11
Mark
Name.
00;22;50;14 - 00;22;51;12
Sarah
Like lactose free.
00;22;51;12 - 00;22;56;04
Mark
Lasagna is Alexandra. Lasagna.
00;22;56;10 - 00;22;57;26
Sarah
Is he Italian? No.
00;22;58;03 - 00;23;03;28
Mark
In fact, he was vehemently against the Italian school of thought in his area.
00;23;03;29 - 00;23;04;20
Sarah
Is he French?
00;23;04;24 - 00;23;29;27
Mark
He is a francés. Okay. Born based in Lyon. And his main rival was Lon Barroso's Italian school of thought on mostly on the prison and justice system. He does a little bit on bullets, a little bit, but mostly he is concerned with what justice is and how prisoners are treated. He is a prison reform which.
00;23;29;27 - 00;23;31;07
Sarah
Also looks at.
00;23;31;07 - 00;23;37;29
Mark
Violence. Yeah, with comments like every society gets the criminals they deserve and create.
00;23;38;00 - 00;23;40;29
Sarah
Wow. Now that's on the nose, isn't it?
00;23;41;00 - 00;23;54;09
Mark
He really saw. Well, at this point I'm not blaming come to America. I was he saw the problems He saw the problems of what prison of what prison was causing.
00;23;54;09 - 00;23;54;22
Sarah
Yeah.
00;23;54;26 - 00;23;59;11
Mark
People who went to prison for minor offenses and came out hardened criminals.
00;23;59;11 - 00;24;09;01
Sarah
So the body belongs to Ida Winston? Yes. And they know that because she's got cards in her bag. Yes. In her pocket. Yes. Calling card.
00;24;09;02 - 00;24;10;01
Mark
Calling cards.
00;24;10;04 - 00;24;12;23
Sarah
Which are like business cards for just a person.
00;24;12;27 - 00;24;16;13
Mark
Yes. Would you would presented the door.
00;24;16;15 - 00;24;25;01
Sarah
Yeah. To prove who you are. Yeah. I think I would have had a bunch of them printed up and all kinds of different names just because they're official.
00;24;25;02 - 00;24;27;20
Mark
You know, I'm might have been.
00;24;27;25 - 00;24;30;21
Sarah
Did they call me lasagna?
00;24;32;09 - 00;24;35;28
Mark
She and Mr. Pen is Miss Pencil here?
00;24;35;29 - 00;24;40;04
Sarah
Oh, yeah. I'm Maria Del Mar.
00;24;40;04 - 00;24;41;16
Sarah
No, you back me up.
00;24;42;12 - 00;24;51;03
Sarah
So I was a member of the Toronto Paranormal Society. Now, the Toronto paranormal society exists now, but was founded in 2010.
00;24;51;05 - 00;24;51;22
Mark
Yes.
00;24;52;02 - 00;24;57;13
Sarah
There was not an organization of that name at this time in Toronto, as near as I could find.
00;24;57;13 - 00;25;00;25
Mark
And it would not surprise me if they were Murdoch Fair.
00;25;01;14 - 00;25;13;15
Sarah
You think? Yeah, maybe. I don't know, because he's pretty down on the psychics. He doesn't really buy into it. But that's not to say that Toronto wasn't a hotbed of spiritualism at the time. It was.
00;25;13;15 - 00;25;14;17
Mark
It certainly was.
00;25;14;17 - 00;25;30;20
Sarah
But I couldn't I couldn't find a group named exactly that. But Ida was a member of it. And they're basing this on I mean, there there were like a dozen of those societies in London that were dedicated to either proving or disproving some kind of paranormal.
00;25;30;20 - 00;25;32;28
Mark
Activity all show up in Hellboy comics later.
00;25;32;28 - 00;25;33;03
Sarah
On.
00;25;33;14 - 00;25;34;17
Mark
Yes, they do.
00;25;34;18 - 00;25;58;10
Sarah
I know they're either trying to gather evidence to prove that it is or isn't real or debunking Charlotte And yeah, but the thread I found through most of them as they wanted it to be true, but they didn't want the fakers to mess that up. Yeah, right. So, so they're like Doyle. They're looking for the evidence of it being real and trying to clear out fakers.
00;25;58;11 - 00;26;00;21
Sarah
Yeah, like Houdini. Yeah, right.
00;26;00;25 - 00;26;03;04
Mark
Doyle and Houdini were friends.
00;26;03;04 - 00;26;03;22
Sarah
Yes.
00;26;03;22 - 00;26;05;05
Mark
That is so weird.
00;26;05;05 - 00;26;06;23
Sarah
They would have been a weird pair.
00;26;06;23 - 00;26;15;03
Mark
That is so weird because one is clearly Victorian and one is clearly Gilded Age America.
00;26;15;09 - 00;26;25;17
Sarah
So when I was looking for the Toronto paranormal society, what I found instead was the Journal for Psychical Research from January 1888.
00;26;25;18 - 00;26;27;04
Mark
Oh, okay.
00;26;27;04 - 00;26;30;12
Sarah
And an interesting story that I have to tell you.
00;26;30;13 - 00;26;33;23
Mark
Okay. Some of the ghostly stuff.
00;26;34;02 - 00;26;52;02
Sarah
No, no, there's no ghost shaking people. No, I was looking into trying to find a group of people who kind of did what they were doing. Yeah. And I found them. The way that I found them was through a story about them kicking a fake psychic out of Bellville, Ontario.
00;26;52;03 - 00;26;52;29
Mark
Oh, excellent.
00;26;52;29 - 00;26;53;12
Sarah
Okay.
00;26;53;17 - 00;26;56;27
Mark
This is Canadian and fake psychics. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
00;26;56;27 - 00;27;19;08
Sarah
So? So here's the story. Okay, I'm just going to read this little paragraph for you. This is from the Journal for Psychical Research in January 1888, In 1883, according to the Belleville Intelligencer, Dr. Henry Slade was exposed in a most complete manner and the mark of his guilt in the shape of a prepared slate, the chalkboard was retained by his exposure.
00;27;19;18 - 00;27;41;16
Sarah
He then confessed his crime, subsequently pleading, however, that the, quote, gentlemen had made him drunk. I'm being allowed to leave town and having made good his escape, he circulated a report that the exposure had not taken place with the genuine Dr. Slade, but with someone falsely bearing his name. The sheriff physically escorted him to the edge of town.
00;27;41;21 - 00;27;42;17
Sarah
Wow.
00;27;42;18 - 00;27;43;26
Mark
Get out of my town.
00;27;44;00 - 00;27;49;10
Sarah
With a whole bunch of psychical researchers going, Yeah, Baker, We got your chalkboard.
00;27;49;21 - 00;27;52;24
Mark
And totally played the. It was a me card.
00;27;52;24 - 00;27;56;07
Sarah
The next paragraph, it's like we don't even think he's really a doctor.
00;27;56;26 - 00;27;57;22
Mark
Really?
00;27;57;22 - 00;28;20;05
Sarah
Really. You think so? Yeah. He was playing that slate trick. He's the guy who could write with his toes. Oh, Dr. Henry Slade. Dr. Henry Slade. And you have to say sarcastically, because it's not real. Yeah, They escorted him right out of Bellville, which, if you don't know Bellville, it's not a big place. No. Okay. It's a small town right on the edge skirt.
00;28;20;19 - 00;28;24;05
Sarah
I mean, it's on the outskirts of. Is it even near Ottawa?
00;28;24;12 - 00;28;26;06
Mark
Between Kingston in Toronto?
00;28;26;06 - 00;28;31;18
Sarah
Yes. So this is a little place. Yeah. And they ran him out of town.
00;28;31;19 - 00;28;32;27
Mark
Ran him out of town.
00;28;33;02 - 00;28;43;00
Sarah
We'll post a link to this. This journal is very interesting because it also includes correspondence from the members of the Psychical Research Society.
00;28;43;00 - 00;28;44;09
Mark
Excellent. Excellent.
00;28;44;10 - 00;28;48;01
Sarah
On things that they have observed lately in their own investigations.
00;28;48;02 - 00;28;48;20
Mark
Oh, very.
00;28;49;01 - 00;29;05;01
Sarah
Fascinating. Okay, so I think it's totally logical that Murdoch thinks that pencil was involved. She knows where the body is, and if she's not actually psychic, she must have some insider information. So she may be connected. I don't blame them at all for thinking that he does.
00;29;05;05 - 00;29;10;12
Mark
She he does the threat that killer will be found and then creepy guy is creepy behind him.
00;29;11;05 - 00;29;13;29
Sarah
So the creepy guy as Liz Gargoyle.
00;29;13;29 - 00;29;17;13
Mark
Or as I like to call him, Cletus, the slack jawed psychic.
00;29;18;05 - 00;29;20;26
Sarah
You can call him that. But he's not a psychic.
00;29;20;29 - 00;29;22;08
Mark
No, he's not a psychic.
00;29;22;10 - 00;29;23;10
Sarah
He's her lackey.
00;29;23;11 - 00;29;26;09
Mark
He's her Cletus, the slack jawed lackey.
00;29;26;11 - 00;29;32;07
Sarah
Yeah, but his name is Liz Gargoyle. I mean, that's bad enough without giving him a nickname. Yeah.
00;29;32;08 - 00;29;34;05
Mark
Liz Ga Ga.
00;29;34;05 - 00;29;36;09
Sarah
Do you know where Liz Ga comes from? Because I knew this and.
00;29;36;10 - 00;29;38;09
Mark
I do not know where Liz Ga comes from.
00;29;38;09 - 00;29;46;10
Sarah
I don't either. But I can tell you there was Liz GA Collegiate Institute, which is the oldest high school in Ottawa. Yes. And there's a riding, which is.
00;29;47;18 - 00;29;47;24
Mark
Where.
00;29;47;25 - 00;29;59;05
Sarah
That is. Okay. There's a writing, which is like a province in man, like a city in Manitoba called Liz Ga. And the second governor general of Canada was the first baron of Liz Ga.
00;29;59;06 - 00;30;02;01
Mark
That's probably where the high school got its name from.
00;30;02;02 - 00;30;03;24
Sarah
Well, this kid is not related to him.
00;30;03;24 - 00;30;04;07
Mark
No.
00;30;04;21 - 00;30;12;01
Sarah
Liz Gargoyle is not the second baron of Liz Ga. He's you're right. He's slack jawed, he's a lackey, and he does the dirty work.
00;30;12;07 - 00;30;13;15
Mark
He does the dirty work.
00;30;13;16 - 00;30;26;13
Sarah
Which is going around, sneaking around, getting information. Yeah. Which is again, it was another thing that these the fake psychics did was they would interview people who know you when they knew you were coming for first.
00;30;26;25 - 00;30;29;12
Mark
In the vernacular. That's called a hot reading.
00;30;29;12 - 00;30;34;17
Sarah
Yes. They would gather information about you, feed it to the psychic so they could feed it back to you.
00;30;34;17 - 00;30;39;21
Mark
Yeah. Did you notice when we go back to the police station here, there is a fancy old man who leaves.
00;30;40;00 - 00;30;46;09
Sarah
The sort of Mark Twain looking guy. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, Thanks. And he stomps out in his white suit.
00;30;46;11 - 00;30;48;13
Mark
Yep. He never to be seen again.
00;30;48;13 - 00;30;51;26
Sarah
Whenever I see somebody like that, I think somebody won a contest.
00;30;51;27 - 00;30;52;17
Mark
Yeah.
00;30;52;17 - 00;30;56;04
Sarah
To be to be a murdoch extra. And that's his little scene.
00;30;56;04 - 00;31;07;11
Mark
Now in this scene, somebody on one of the social channels that we're involved in mentioned to me that Murdoch has ginger sideburns and boy, can you see them.
00;31;07;11 - 00;31;07;27
Sarah
Yes.
00;31;08;04 - 00;31;09;17
Mark
In this scene.
00;31;09;18 - 00;31;27;24
Sarah
I noticed that, too. And I wonder if they're fake, like if he cut his hair and they had to like glue on sideburns or something or it's the light. I don't know. A lot of guys have facial hair that's different color than the hair on their head. Right? So if you grow your sideburns long enough, they sort of become facial hair rather than.
00;31;27;24 - 00;31;28;16
Mark
I guess.
00;31;28;16 - 00;31;29;02
Sarah
They're.
00;31;29;22 - 00;31;40;21
Mark
Very weird. I hadn't noticed it before. Now I can't stop seeing. But I have the A-Kid murder. Well, forget about that. Like every other case that I don't care about. Right?
00;31;41;11 - 00;32;02;28
Sarah
They end up in the mortuary or in the morgue with Julia. Yeah, and she's. She's doing the autopsy on Ida, and she just shoves her hand right in the eye. Right. And like, she uses the forceps clips to, like, spread spreader flap open.
00;32;02;28 - 00;32;06;21
Mark
You could see that she's shackled by her own body, and then.
00;32;06;21 - 00;32;10;11
Sarah
She just, like, shoves her hand in there.
00;32;10;22 - 00;32;16;08
Mark
Whoa, whoa. Cody Doyle is a little locally about how much he hates Sherlock Holmes.
00;32;16;09 - 00;32;22;06
Sarah
And how he wasn't a very good doctor. And Crabtree, like, in the background, he is not.
00;32;22;10 - 00;32;37;18
Mark
It's not the Doyle was a bad doctor. He is a victim of circumstance. He had a practice in Plymouth with the doctor. That's very much like Dr. Watson. And they were. So they had so few patients. That's when he started writing.
00;32;37;18 - 00;32;39;27
Sarah
Yeah. To fill the time and make some money.
00;32;40;02 - 00;32;50;21
Mark
And he also went into the area of eye surgery. And I like that's where he became a specialist in and there just wasn't enough interest in it and people didn't come to.
00;32;50;21 - 00;32;52;25
Sarah
Him, so he just couldn't make enough money as I just.
00;32;52;25 - 00;33;00;27
Mark
Couldn't make enough money. And then suddenly he, Sherlock Holmes comes out the the first novel comes out and cabango right away.
00;33;01;03 - 00;33;06;25
Sarah
It's so obvious. Yeah, it's just so foreign to us to think of somebody with a medical degree not able to make money.
00;33;06;27 - 00;33;08;14
Mark
It's very strange.
00;33;08;14 - 00;33;18;01
Sarah
You'd have to be a pretty bad doctor nowadays. You just wouldn't be. I didn't have enough patients like that. Just wouldn't be a thing. Yeah. We meet Mr. Winston. Yes.
00;33;18;04 - 00;33;24;22
Mark
Who doesn't even come to identify the body? How do you act suspicious? By being suspicious.
00;33;25;05 - 00;33;26;12
Sarah
He's poncy.
00;33;26;14 - 00;33;28;01
Mark
He's very punk, he's.
00;33;28;01 - 00;33;31;25
Sarah
Snobby, he's mean, and he's not sad.
00;33;32;00 - 00;33;33;11
Mark
No, not at all.
00;33;33;11 - 00;33;40;10
Sarah
He's like, I can't talk to you about who killed my wife because you should be solving the murder of who killed my wife. Now I've got to make tea for all these people.
00;33;40;10 - 00;33;44;28
Mark
Well, it's because he knew about the affair with Frederick Waters. But we don't know about him.
00;33;44;29 - 00;33;51;11
Sarah
No, no. But he's also a doctor. Yeah, So he's totally affronted by Doyle. Yes. You know, you're just.
00;33;51;22 - 00;33;54;20
Mark
Horrible fools who pretend to speak to the dead.
00;33;55;05 - 00;34;17;01
Sarah
Frederick Waters. Speaking of which, is the head of the paranormal society. Yes. He has a horrible fake mustache that looks like it's horrible Face or horrible face. It looks like your mustache when you wake up in the morning. And it needs to be clear. It's just it's just like splattered on your face. It's not brushed down. It's like going every direction on either side of his nose.
00;34;17;14 - 00;34;20;28
Sarah
The the offices of the paranormal society are very nice.
00;34;20;29 - 00;34;21;11
Mark
Yes.
00;34;21;18 - 00;34;22;25
Sarah
How can they afford that?
00;34;22;25 - 00;34;23;08
Mark
I don't.
00;34;23;09 - 00;34;24;09
Sarah
Know. You can't make any money.
00;34;24;09 - 00;34;28;05
Mark
Must have lots of dues. They are all paid to use.
00;34;28;22 - 00;34;30;01
Sarah
For expensive rugs and.
00;34;30;01 - 00;34;31;16
Mark
Woodwork. I guess it's.
00;34;32;16 - 00;34;34;12
Sarah
Their door is very pretty too.
00;34;34;24 - 00;34;40;03
Mark
I'll tell you what's not pretty is the picture of the Queen.
00;34;40;03 - 00;34;47;16
Sarah
While Bracken reads just like it flies on the queen. And he's not clean in Mom, she's covered in dead flies.
00;34;47;16 - 00;34;48;11
Sarah
It's gross.
00;34;48;21 - 00;34;52;04
Mark
She Has at least five dead flies out there.
00;34;52;06 - 00;34;56;18
Sarah
We got a picture of it. We can prove it. There's carcasses all over Queen Victoria.
00;34;56;19 - 00;34;59;07
Mark
Why do you come to mystery maniacs?
00;34;59;07 - 00;35;03;08
Sarah
People like to count the dead flies on Queen Victoria.
00;35;03;08 - 00;35;07;25
Mark
No, To tell you exactly what photo of Queen Victoria that is.
00;35;07;29 - 00;35;08;17
Sarah
Oh.
00;35;08;26 - 00;35;21;17
Mark
That is a portrait of Queen Victoria wearing her small imperial crown to mark her 66th birthday. It was printed in 1885. It is not anachronistic.
00;35;21;17 - 00;35;23;17
Sarah
But didn't they just celebrate her birthday?
00;35;23;20 - 00;35;30;00
Mark
No. Okay. This is the 66 birthday. In 86, they celebrate her birthday every year.
00;35;30;01 - 00;35;34;07
Sarah
Yeah. So how old was she in the last episode with the fireworks?
00;35;34;07 - 00;35;37;25
Mark
She would have been ten years later. So 76.
00;35;37;25 - 00;35;41;19
Sarah
Wait a minute. Are telling me ten years is between the last episode and this one?
00;35;41;19 - 00;35;42;03
Mark
No.
00;35;42;29 - 00;35;43;27
Sarah
I'm confused.
00;35;43;27 - 00;35;48;18
Mark
Ten years between when that painting was painted. Oh, this.
00;35;49;07 - 00;35;53;25
Sarah
Right. I was like, wait a minute. If that was painted last week, how does he have it? All right.
00;35;54;21 - 00;35;59;20
Mark
It was painted in 1885. Not naive. 1895.
00;35;59;21 - 00;36;03;12
Sarah
Okay, I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm sure it took me a while to catch up there.
00;36;03;12 - 00;36;04;26
Mark
It's also a photograph.
00;36;04;28 - 00;36;08;13
Sarah
I was like, How is that non anachronistic? They went back in time.
00;36;08;13 - 00;36;12;29
Mark
It's a photograph that is painted on. Yeah, like colored.
00;36;13;02 - 00;36;20;18
Sarah
Yeah, They did that. Yeah. Huh. Sorry. My brain is all twisted up now. So they go back to see Mrs. Pencil. Miss Pencil.
00;36;20;25 - 00;36;24;10
Mark
Who. Who changes her dress and her earrings. Every single thing.
00;36;24;10 - 00;36;26;25
Sarah
Pretty much. Yep. And she's always overdressed.
00;36;26;25 - 00;36;27;08
Mark
Yes.
00;36;27;13 - 00;36;30;20
Sarah
For being at home. I don't care if she's got company.
00;36;30;20 - 00;36;31;19
Mark
She's performing.
00;36;31;20 - 00;36;33;25
Sarah
Maria Del Mar, the actress?
00;36;33;26 - 00;36;34;07
Mark
Yes.
00;36;34;13 - 00;36;45;09
Sarah
Now the answer is a beautiful woman. Yes. She's well put together. Yep. Aging well? Yes. And yet for some reason, they taped her temples.
00;36;45;15 - 00;36;46;26
Mark
They taped her temples.
00;36;46;26 - 00;36;54;03
Sarah
It looks like she had bad plastic surgery. Her eyes are real tight. Yeah, but it's not. It's tape. I've got a picture of it.
00;36;54;06 - 00;36;59;09
Mark
I can prove it. She appears again, and we're got. We got to look for the tape and the ginger sideburns.
00;36;59;13 - 00;37;05;24
Sarah
Yeah, because maybe it's the makeup artist who did those. Did the same episodes. Yep. Makes bad. But this.
00;37;05;24 - 00;37;11;06
Mark
Is. This is not the regular dead person. This is Lisa, right?
00;37;11;13 - 00;37;13;17
Sarah
This is Murdock's dead fiancé.
00;37;13;18 - 00;37;17;20
Mark
And this is where he finds this string and follows it to find this.
00;37;20;01 - 00;37;21;18
Sarah
Liz Ga in the closet?
00;37;21;26 - 00;37;22;06
Mark
Yes.
00;37;22;10 - 00;37;30;24
Sarah
Sitting there like what? Yeah, I hang out in the closet more. Poor guy. When he's not snooping on people, he's fixing window screens. I mean, he really can't win.
00;37;30;25 - 00;37;39;11
Mark
And he kind of was like, uh, uh, yeah, I saw a murder, but I can't really tell anybody because it will.
00;37;39;11 - 00;37;40;19
Sarah
I am gonna get fired.
00;37;40;19 - 00;37;41;01
Mark
Out of a.
00;37;41;01 - 00;37;44;21
Sarah
Job. Yeah, like, wait a minute, That's really important.
00;37;45;02 - 00;38;09;02
Mark
But Mr. Pencil is very. But this is a long line and a character trope of women in Murdoch episodes who are business savvy in businesses that are questionable. We meet a madam later on like this. So behind the paranormal society is where Murdoch and Doyle talk about Lisa and that she is died of consumption.
00;38;09;18 - 00;38;14;08
Sarah
Because that's where it is. GA Gall saw somebody carry a carpet wrapped at.
00;38;14;14 - 00;38;17;09
Mark
This exact moment. Doyle's wife is has.
00;38;17;16 - 00;38;20;13
Sarah
Has conceived in reality so.
00;38;20;13 - 00;38;32;18
Mark
It gets super interesting with his wife and we'll get into it. More on the next CONAN Doyle episode. There's a little spoiler for you, but she was sick for a long time and it was very hard on him.
00;38;32;21 - 00;38;45;20
Sarah
While a lot of people, when they had tuberculosis suffered for a long, long time. Yeah, it was one of those things where you either drop dead or you lingered for years and wound up going to live at a spa or something. If you had the money.
00;38;45;22 - 00;38;56;02
Mark
And Murdoch totally does a great back up here where he goes, Oh, somebody decided to stress I was skeleton key for the entire city.
00;38;56;02 - 00;39;02;22
Sarah
Here. Yes, of course he does. And Doyle's like, I don't hear you. Oh, I get it. Okay, let's go. And then they do one mo bullet.
00;39;03;05 - 00;39;12;09
Mark
They do. They do bullet time. Bullet? Yes. This is like the Murdoch matrix. Yes. And I'm like, everything you find in here, it's completely illegal.
00;39;12;14 - 00;39;12;29
Sarah
Yes.
00;39;13;09 - 00;39;15;04
Sarah
Would that have been the case then?
00;39;15;04 - 00;39;16;12
Mark
I don't know about then.
00;39;16;19 - 00;39;21;02
Sarah
But I mean, the way Bracken Reed interrogates people, I think they probably are able to get away with some stuff.
00;39;21;09 - 00;39;25;23
Mark
So Bulletin Bookcase finds a bullet in the book.
00;39;25;29 - 00;39;26;27
Sarah
Do you know a book? It is.
00;39;26;28 - 00;39;28;16
Mark
No, I do not know what book it is.
00;39;28;16 - 00;39;31;20
Sarah
It is an Enemy of the People by Henrik Ibsen.
00;39;31;27 - 00;39;35;08
Mark
Oh, my gosh. One of my favorite plays of all time.
00;39;35;08 - 00;39;39;21
Sarah
Your favorite plays about a people covering up Bad water.
00;39;39;22 - 00;39;45;21
Mark
Yes, I love that play. Why? I read almost all of Ibsen's plays in college.
00;39;45;26 - 00;39;55;15
Sarah
Okay. So this play is about a guy who discovers that the water in a spa town like Bath, Right, is tainted and one's.
00;39;55;15 - 00;39;57;01
Mark
Actually making people sick and.
00;39;57;01 - 00;39;58;28
Sarah
Wants to expose that.
00;39;59;05 - 00;39;59;13
Mark
He's a.
00;39;59;13 - 00;40;06;15
Sarah
Doctor, but his in-laws have too much money invested in it and don't want him to tell anybody. And that's your favorite play?
00;40;06;16 - 00;40;08;06
Mark
It is. It is the.
00;40;08;08 - 00;40;11;21
Sarah
He's like Erin Brockovich of the 1880s And that's your favorite play.
00;40;11;22 - 00;40;17;12
Mark
It is the unsolvable moral quagmire that is in every Ibsen story.
00;40;17;14 - 00;40;19;18
Sarah
It doesn't sound very riveting to me.
00;40;19;21 - 00;40;21;14
Mark
Yeah, I love that. I love that.
00;40;21;14 - 00;40;29;24
Sarah
Play. Well, it gets shot. Yes, the bullet wedges right into it on page 143 or whatever it is.
00;40;30;00 - 00;40;36;11
Mark
And then late one night, Murdock's in the lab. Did you notice it was murder? I get in the lab at night.
00;40;36;11 - 00;40;37;01
Sarah
Yes.
00;40;37;12 - 00;40;40;23
Mark
He's totally like a Bunsen burner and stuff like that.
00;40;40;23 - 00;40;42;17
Sarah
But he has a big sad.
00;40;42;25 - 00;40;43;05
Mark
Yeah.
00;40;43;15 - 00;40;46;04
Sarah
He's thinking about lies on her horse.
00;40;46;04 - 00;40;47;15
Mark
And kissing Casey.
00;40;47;27 - 00;40;49;28
Sarah
Why didn't he give her a horse necklace?
00;40;49;29 - 00;40;52;00
Mark
I don't know. Maybe she was into horses.
00;40;52;13 - 00;40;58;00
Sarah
It seems like an uncomfortable necklace, so, like, it would poke you a lot. You have little pokey legs.
00;40;58;07 - 00;41;01;18
Mark
He rushes over to Ms.. Pencil's House. Who is up?
00;41;01;25 - 00;41;03;21
Sarah
She's a psychic. She knew he was coming.
00;41;03;21 - 00;41;05;03
Mark
Knew he was coming. I guess.
00;41;05;10 - 00;41;06;11
Sarah
She had time to put her dress.
00;41;06;19 - 00;41;09;15
Mark
A close up. And they talked to Eliza.
00;41;09;15 - 00;41;10;15
Sarah
In her red dress.
00;41;10;16 - 00;41;12;05
Mark
It's a very touching scene.
00;41;12;26 - 00;41;26;24
Sarah
Yeah. Okay. If you want to call it touching, I call it. You're going to ruin that dress rolling around in the grass. Malia, isn't that kind of public? Isn't he really Catholic and conservative? Aren't you guys married now because she's sitting on top of you in public?
00;41;26;24 - 00;41;27;19
Mark
I think so.
00;41;27;27 - 00;41;32;18
Sarah
Didn't she just poke you in the eye with her necklace?
00;41;32;18 - 00;41;35;21
Mark
Giving him his pencil? Tells me he's married to her. Now.
00;41;36;01 - 00;41;37;29
Sarah
I think you're more sentimental than I am.
00;41;38;12 - 00;41;38;26
Mark
Yes.
00;41;39;27 - 00;41;42;25
Sarah
But then he's in the lab working on his telephonic probe.
00;41;42;28 - 00;41;48;28
Mark
Yeah. Here, Julia, here's a electric thing that I've given you to enjoy yourself.
00;41;48;28 - 00;41;50;02
Sarah
Do you know what it is?
00;41;50;08 - 00;41;51;11
Mark
I have no idea.
00;41;51;11 - 00;41;52;02
Sarah
What it is.
00;41;52;02 - 00;41;56;10
Mark
Because I knew you were going to research this, so I didn't research this at all.
00;41;56;10 - 00;42;10;09
Sarah
So what he is made is basically a metal detector. Yes, Right. So that. But it's a metal detector. You can stick in somebody. Oh. To find the bullet. Yes. Right. Because of President Garfield.
00;42;10;09 - 00;42;11;29
Mark
Yes. And that's mentioned.
00;42;12;03 - 00;42;20;22
Sarah
You. If you've never heard of President Garfield, you should feel sorry for him. You don't need to know any of the details. But but I'm going to tell you, you know.
00;42;20;23 - 00;42;24;20
Mark
Speaking of people who lingered, I know he got he lingered after being shot.
00;42;24;24 - 00;42;51;12
Sarah
Oh, man. Did he linger? He is the linger of one girl. He was shot twice. Okay. They retrieved one bullet. The other one was lodged very near his spine. But they didn't know that because they couldn't find it. Okay, so he gets shot. They take him back to the White House, put him on a bed, and then various doctors come in and stick their dirty unwashed fingers and him digging around for a bullet.
00;42;51;12 - 00;42;53;08
Mark
How on earth did he not survive?
00;42;53;18 - 00;43;04;04
Sarah
He was in shock for a long time, I can imagine. Then Alexander Graham Bell shows up and says, Hey, I got this machine and it can find the bullet.
00;43;04;05 - 00;43;08;16
Mark
Wait, is this a future Murdoch episode? You have to wait and see.
00;43;08;27 - 00;43;26;17
Sarah
He's got this machine that can find the bullet. It's basically an early metal detector, right? Yeah, but it doesn't work. Why doesn't it work? Because Garfield's on a metal bed. Oh, jeez. So it just keeps going off and going off and going off. Right? He's lingering. He's getting sicker and sicker and sicker.
00;43;26;18 - 00;43;30;10
Mark
These are like LED bullets so less seeping into his.
00;43;30;10 - 00;43;32;10
Sarah
Body and dirty doctor hands.
00;43;32;10 - 00;43;33;02
Mark
Dirty doctor.
00;43;33;08 - 00;43;49;15
Sarah
And whatever flies junk floating around because they never So the wound up because they're trying to poke in. It was various things. Meanwhile, the only painkiller he would have had would have basically been liquor. Yeah. Okay. Eventually he can't even eat anymore.
00;43;49;18 - 00;43;50;21
Mark
I can imagine.
00;43;50;22 - 00;43;58;26
Sarah
So he survives the last two weeks on what they call nutritional enemas. They're feeding him through the other end.
00;43;59;01 - 00;44;01;00
Mark
I don't need those words ever used.
00;44;01;00 - 00;44;05;15
Sarah
I know. How long do you think he lived between when he was shot and when he died?
00;44;05;18 - 00;44;06;10
Mark
Six weeks.
00;44;06;15 - 00;44;08;01
Sarah
79 days.
00;44;08;01 - 00;44;14;13
Mark
Oh, my gosh. Almost three months. Yeah. Oh, what a horrible existence.
00;44;14;18 - 00;44;20;05
Sarah
I mean, if what Murdoch has invented would have found the bullet faster, it's a worthwhile invention.
00;44;20;06 - 00;44;23;29
Mark
And I love her school. Boy, he is a major subject here.
00;44;24;00 - 00;44;28;14
Sarah
I made you. It's a it's a probe.
00;44;28;14 - 00;44;28;24
Sarah
And.
00;44;29;07 - 00;44;32;10
Mark
And she's really good at being like, Oh, thank you.
00;44;32;10 - 00;44;37;29
Sarah
Julia does exactly what every mom has ever done. When presented with. I drew you a picture.
00;44;37;29 - 00;44;38;07
Mark
Yeah.
00;44;38;21 - 00;44;41;14
Sarah
Oh, that's nice. William. What is it?
00;44;41;24 - 00;44;44;12
Sarah
I think. Well, thank.
00;44;44;12 - 00;44;48;21
Sarah
You. That's very nice. Set it down. Forget about it. Anyway.
00;44;48;21 - 00;44;51;14
Mark
Yeah. I don't think we ever see the telephonic probe again.
00;44;51;14 - 00;44;58;14
Sarah
I don't think so either. No. Oh, Garfield. Oh, so bad. I just. Ha so bad.
00;44;58;14 - 00;45;07;18
Mark
And here we have bracketed Reed and Crabtree in the comedic role of Let's provide the details of how to do Baskerville Yeah.
00;45;07;18 - 00;45;25;13
Sarah
So everybody who meets Doyle is a big fan of Doyle. Nobody meets them and goes, Sherlock Holmes is stupid. No, everybody's like, Oh, you're that Doyle? Yeah, including Bracken Reed. I've read every story. I have an idea for your next one, Doyle. Like I killed him. I was tired of him. He's dead.
00;45;25;18 - 00;45;28;03
Mark
Yeah. And they're all like, Okay, in the next story.
00;45;28;10 - 00;45;41;27
Sarah
Yeah, but you're going to bring him back, right? Because here, here. I got a story for you and Bracken Reed's pitching Hound of the Baskervilles. Right. Which is the next story that he writes. Yeah, but it takes place before Sherlock Holmes died, right?
00;45;42;00 - 00;45;42;18
Mark
Yes.
00;45;42;24 - 00;45;44;19
Sarah
So it's out of out of time.
00;45;44;19 - 00;45;54;04
Mark
An explanation of the Reichenbach Falls story, which is the final solution, is done as a short story that's released after Hound of the Baskervilles. Yes.
00;45;54;15 - 00;46;13;14
Sarah
So Bracken Reed is pitching The Hound of the Baskervilles. And I'm just thinking, well, first of all, Crabtree should be a much bigger fan. Yes. Then they let him be. Yeah, right. Because Crabtree goes on to write adventure mystery novels. So he's. He's got to be a bigger fan. Yeah, I think there should be more of that in this episode.
00;46;13;14 - 00;46;19;23
Sarah
Oh, I do too. But I think the two of them should be in cahoots trying to convince Doyle to bring Sherlock Holmes back.
00;46;19;25 - 00;46;22;20
Mark
To, like, like, provide solutions to Reichenbach.
00;46;22;20 - 00;46;27;21
Sarah
Falls. Like, he doesn't have to be dead. I know he fell, but you could bring him back, right?
00;46;28;18 - 00;46;31;10
Mark
They could be like, Here's a puppet show.
00;46;32;00 - 00;46;47;24
Sarah
This will demonstrate. This is how. Okay, so here's where Sherlock Holmes secretly puts on a parachute. Okay? So he goes over the falls, he floats down gently and lands on this pre inflated rubber dinghy, bounces off it back onto the cliff, runs away.
00;46;47;25 - 00;46;54;28
Mark
No, we need a scene where Murdoch is like, the details are on my chalkboard.
00;46;54;28 - 00;47;00;09
Sarah
He goes and Crabtree and I can read it. Taking over a huge chalkboard.
00;47;01;03 - 00;47;02;24
Mark
Diagrams of the balls.
00;47;03;01 - 00;47;08;07
Sarah
Complicated calculations, trajectories, no parachute bouncing.
00;47;08;15 - 00;47;11;21
Mark
I've got it. It's station four theater.
00;47;12;01 - 00;47;12;24
Sarah
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00;47;12;24 - 00;47;18;10
Mark
Yeah, sure. So they do a reenactment where, Of course, Brackett Reed is Sherlock Holmes.
00;47;18;10 - 00;47;20;16
Sarah
And gets to fall down the stairs of the station.
00;47;20;16 - 00;47;37;00
Mark
House. And theory is Henry is Moriarty, and Crabtree in the dress from the big Yes plays like Dr. Ogden, who's in shape.
00;47;37;12 - 00;47;42;11
Sarah
Right? Yeah, that would work. They could have convinced him they didn't try. No.
00;47;42;28 - 00;47;44;12
Mark
That's a whole other one.
00;47;44;25 - 00;47;56;27
Sarah
I want to see that chalkboard. Ever been great? Yeah. I don't understand. Carriage tracks is evidence now like there's. There's one, right. And there's two rats. But the two rats are not.
00;47;57;10 - 00;47;57;28
Mark
They're slightly.
00;47;57;28 - 00;47;59;06
Sarah
Deaf. They're not double wheels.
00;47;59;06 - 00;48;02;27
Mark
It's totally, it's totally car tires and treads.
00;48;02;27 - 00;48;14;13
Sarah
And all that. Yeah, but that wouldn't work, right, Because wouldn't a heavier carriage make it the same carriage heavier like with more people in it. Yeah. Make it slightly different. Right. Things. Carriage lighter. I would.
00;48;14;13 - 00;48;14;28
Mark
Think so.
00;48;14;29 - 00;48;31;27
Sarah
Or the mud is different. I don't think. I don't think it will work. There's something on Murdock's desk in that scene too, that I don't understand. Oh. When he's got the plaster cast of the, the treads over to the side is something that looks like a missile. Luna. Oh, do you know what I'm as a Luna is?
00;48;31;29 - 00;48;32;18
Mark
What? To miss it?
00;48;32;18 - 00;48;40;22
Sarah
Luna When you're chopping herbs, sometimes people use them as a Luna. It's a blade that's shaped like a circle, and you rock it back and forth.
00;48;40;22 - 00;48;45;19
Mark
It might be like a pistol, mortar and pistol thing. Not scientific.
00;48;45;20 - 00;48;52;07
Sarah
That's pestle or mortar and pestle, or it's not mortar and pistol. It looks, you.
00;48;52;07 - 00;48;53;17
Mark
Know, there's a French guy with.
00;48;53;17 - 00;49;01;24
Sarah
Bullet lasagna. It looks like a mezza. Luna. I don't know what it's. Maybe he, I don't know, chops up bullets with me.
00;49;02;03 - 00;49;04;14
Sarah
Bet I don't.
00;49;04;14 - 00;49;10;10
Sarah
Know. So we know that WATTERS is having an affair with Ida. Yeah, we know that. God goes out.
00;49;10;21 - 00;49;18;10
Mark
Waters goes to the is supposed to be at the spiritualism talk. Yeah, Julia's there and Bracken Reed is there.
00;49;19;08 - 00;49;22;12
Sarah
Bracken Reed's like, unfortunate. I couldn't get a ticket. Oh, here's a ticket.
00;49;22;12 - 00;49;23;23
Sarah
Oh, thanks.
00;49;25;06 - 00;49;26;00
Sarah
Yeah.
00;49;26;25 - 00;49;28;16
Mark
He's not the best speaker.
00;49;29;07 - 00;49;49;29
Sarah
He's not a good speaker. And Bracken Reed is not a good audience member. Oh, I love when Julia slaps him awake like nuts and them. But I think I would have fallen asleep, too. I mean, he's just. If you showed up for Doyle speaking, wouldn't you be like Sherlock? Sherlock? You know, like, I would think that people be like, Yeah, yeah, whatever.
00;49;49;29 - 00;50;04;19
Sarah
Ghosts, whatever. Sherlock. Sir, you know, what? Does anybody have any questions for Dr. Doyle about spiritualism? Oh, I have a question. Could Sherlock have had on a pair of shoot when he went over the falls?
00;50;04;24 - 00;50;06;01
Mark
Here's a chalkboard.
00;50;06;07 - 00;50;10;07
Sarah
I've brought a diagram. I think he might have survived. Oh, I know.
00;50;10;13 - 00;50;11;09
Mark
Where it is. I know what.
00;50;11;09 - 00;50;19;10
Sarah
They could have done. They could have. They could have had a seance and pretended that Sherlock Holmes spoke to Doyle from behind the door.
00;50;19;17 - 00;50;23;10
Sarah
And said, You do bring me back. I'm not.
00;50;23;10 - 00;50;27;20
Sarah
Dead. He was not a real person. Oh, we can still bring him back.
00;50;27;21 - 00;50;33;07
Mark
Still bring in Bird. Where is Murdoch? Murdoch is discovering the body of Waters.
00;50;33;07 - 00;50;37;03
Sarah
Yes. Who has shot himself with the wrong hand and his desk.
00;50;37;05 - 00;50;42;18
Mark
And. And then Murdoch shoots the bullet in the station. It causes everybody to freak out.
00;50;42;28 - 00;50;46;02
Sarah
Okay. He would have told people he was going to do it. You would have been.
00;50;46;16 - 00;50;49;11
Mark
In the hall. He totally would have told people.
00;50;49;13 - 00;50;51;27
Sarah
It is nice to see the station house on full alert.
00;50;51;27 - 00;50;57;17
Mark
Though it is the second time all of these are forgotten in the station and for the.
00;50;57;17 - 00;51;12;03
Sarah
First time he did it in his office in the barrel. But you only see all these layabouts in uniforms, like get up and, like, take action. Yeah. So speaking of Doyle's speech, they did a beautiful job of the sign for the event. It's gorgeous.
00;51;12;03 - 00;51;14;26
Mark
We all have the sign in the show notes. And in the real.
00;51;15;04 - 00;51;30;02
Sarah
Though, in terms of signage, a lot of the text is really, really small. I don't understand that quite yet. It it made me think of all of the book covers of all of my favorite Sherlock spinoffs.
00;51;30;12 - 00;51;31;04
Mark
Oh, yes.
00;51;31;17 - 00;51;32;27
Sarah
There's so many.
00;51;32;28 - 00;51;35;07
Mark
You've read quite a few Sherlock spinoffs.
00;51;35;07 - 00;51;45;18
Sarah
Oh, many, many, many. I actually say I would have to admit that I like spin offs of Sherlock Holmes better than I like the actual Doyle.
00;51;45;19 - 00;51;47;19
Mark
So when the Doyle stories.
00;51;47;23 - 00;51;50;00
Sarah
I mean, throughout my life, I.
00;51;50;00 - 00;51;52;22
Mark
Think probably first time high school for me, I read them all.
00;51;52;27 - 00;51;58;28
Sarah
I probably read at least one of them earlier than that. Yeah, but I didn't just sit down and just like, pour through them.
00;51;58;28 - 00;52;03;01
Mark
All cause I was like, in the Cyclops idea. BROWN And that's a natural kind.
00;52;03;01 - 00;52;10;11
Sarah
Of, I think probably I read an actual Doyle story after I saw Jeremy Brett play Sherlock Holmes on TV.
00;52;10;15 - 00;52;11;12
Mark
And when was that.
00;52;12;01 - 00;52;13;10
Sarah
Middle school maybe.
00;52;13;11 - 00;52;14;07
Mark
Oh, okay.
00;52;14;13 - 00;52;19;07
Sarah
And I was like, Oh, those are really clever. I should go and read some of those.
00;52;19;10 - 00;52;19;23
Mark
Definitely.
00;52;19;27 - 00;52;25;21
Sarah
There are more spin offs of Sherlock Holmes that I mean, and.
00;52;26;02 - 00;52;32;02
Mark
You know, one reason why it's in public domain, because none of Doyle's children had children.
00;52;32;02 - 00;52;40;17
Sarah
Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, well, I definitely have nieces or nephews now who control the estate, though. But the stories are not part of the estate.
00;52;40;17 - 00;52;42;22
Mark
But they're no direct descendants of Doyle.
00;52;42;22 - 00;52;53;28
Sarah
Yeah. Yeah, I have so many favorites. Okay. Can I tell you about a few of them? Yes. And we're going to put links to all of these in the show notes. I highly recommend every single one of these. Okay.
00;52;53;29 - 00;52;56;19
Mark
There's one of them that we both love intensely.
00;52;56;19 - 00;53;22;15
Sarah
So these are all non TV or non movies that are spinoffs of Sherlock Holmes. So they're like different versions of him as a character. Or they take another, they take a smaller character from the stories and make them bigger. Like Anthony Horowitz, who wrote screenplays for Midsummer, wrote a book called The House of Silk, and the second one is called Moriarty, and they're both super good.
00;53;22;16 - 00;53;51;01
Sarah
There's also another book that focuses on Moriarty. So Anthony Horowitz focuses on Moriarty and his Yeah, and their period and accurate and really, really good if you if you like. Anthony Horowitz. But then there are all these like other versions, other interpretations, or they put Sherlock Holmes in a different world, like there's a series called the KwaZulu Case books that are Sherlock Holmes in In a World Where to.
00;53;51;01 - 00;53;52;03
Mark
Do is real.
00;53;52;04 - 00;53;53;17
Sarah
Yes, in London.
00;53;53;17 - 00;53;56;02
Mark
So it's H.P. Lovecraft crossover with.
00;53;56;03 - 00;54;00;02
Sarah
Yes, Doyle there by James Lovegrove. Okay. And they're really good.
00;54;00;02 - 00;54;01;18
Mark
They're scary. They're scary.
00;54;01;19 - 00;54;06;12
Sarah
But Holmes is Holmes, right? Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, the basketball player.
00;54;06;13 - 00;54;09;26
Mark
He is a well known writer and lover of Sherlock.
00;54;09;26 - 00;54;32;22
Sarah
He's a huge fan. And he had another author named Anna Waterhouse have written a series of books. And again, they're very accurate to the original. If you if you like the Doyle stories, you'll like them. But then there are some just wacky ones, like there's a series called Holmes on the Range, whereas Holmes is America by the time they're written by Steve Hopkins.
00;54;32;22 - 00;54;39;06
Sarah
SMITH They're very funny, but very clever. So like out in the Old West and stuff.
00;54;39;06 - 00;54;43;20
Mark
There's a young Sherlock Holmes series there. He comes to America. Yeah.
00;54;43;28 - 00;54;49;26
Sarah
These are more like Sherlock Holmes meets Wild Wild West. Yes, the TV show like.
00;54;49;27 - 00;54;51;16
Mark
So it has like steampunk.
00;54;51;16 - 00;55;16;00
Sarah
Yes, very steampunk western and really funny. Cool. There's a series by Colin Gleason that is Stoker and Holmes. So it's, I think, the daughter of Bram Stoker and Evelyn Stoker and a character named Mina Holmes who is like supposed to be Sherlock Holmes niece or something. Okay. And they solve crimes together.
00;55;16;00 - 00;55;16;28
Mark
Oh, that'd be fun.
00;55;16;29 - 00;55;21;09
Sarah
But my very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very favorite.
00;55;22;00 - 00;55;25;07
Mark
Is the best offshoot Holmes series I've.
00;55;25;07 - 00;55;29;12
Sarah
Read is a series called Warlock. Holmes by G.S. Denning.
00;55;29;13 - 00;55;32;19
Mark
That is some of the funniest writing I've ever read.
00;55;32;21 - 00;55;40;06
Sarah
They are hilarious. So Warlock Holmes is a warlock, but he's Sherlock Holmes, so.
00;55;40;06 - 00;55;40;20
Mark
Kind of.
00;55;40;22 - 00;55;42;27
Sarah
So He's a detective, but.
00;55;43;13 - 00;55;44;22
Mark
He's also an idiot.
00;55;44;22 - 00;55;49;03
Sarah
He's also like an evil magician and an idiot.
00;55;49;05 - 00;55;50;26
Mark
Yes, very stupid.
00;55;51;02 - 00;56;12;00
Sarah
But they are hilarious. And what G.S. Denning did was he took the original stories and then put them through the filter of Warlock Holmes. Right. So you get the Hound of the Baskervilles and you get a study in Scarlet and all those. So if you know the original stories and you read the Warlock Holmes book, you know what's supposed to happen.
00;56;12;00 - 00;56;19;04
Sarah
So what actually happens in the books is so much funnier because you understand what was supposed to happen. Yeah. Oh, my God. There's so many times there's.
00;56;19;04 - 00;56;25;00
Mark
A vampire and Frankenstein monster. Everything so good Cavemen there. Yeah.
00;56;25;01 - 00;56;27;13
Sarah
So fun. It was a caveman on a bicycle.
00;56;27;13 - 00;56;27;22
Mark
Yeah.
00;56;28;00 - 00;56;45;08
Sarah
It's so funny. So if you. If you like Holmes at all and you like funny, you've got to read more like Holmes. I listened to them on audiobooks. Yeah. And the narrator is just incredible. I think I listened to all of them. I think there's five right now. I think so. I think I listened to all of them at least three times.
00;56;45;08 - 00;56;45;25
Sarah
They're that good.
00;56;45;25 - 00;56;49;02
Mark
They're fantastic. The last seance with Miss Pencil.
00;56;49;02 - 00;56;49;20
Sarah
Yes.
00;56;50;01 - 00;56;52;16
Mark
And we find out who the killer actually.
00;56;52;21 - 00;56;57;01
Sarah
Because they set him up, right? They they set up Conrad Hunt.
00;56;57;04 - 00;57;00;05
Mark
And we're like, Is Miss Pencil totally agrees with this?
00;57;00;07 - 00;57;01;03
Sarah
Yeah, she.
00;57;01;03 - 00;57;06;23
Mark
Totally goes along with this and does a good job of acting here. And then Bracken Reed shows up in in uniform.
00;57;06;23 - 00;57;19;11
Sarah
What I don't like about this is that, well, first of all, they play on Hunt's emotions about his son. Yeah. Which I think is kind of cruel. Now, granted, he's killed two people.
00;57;19;19 - 00;57;20;27
Mark
And they don't beat him.
00;57;21;00 - 00;57;26;20
Sarah
They don't beat him or anything. But it seems kind of and then there's a sounds and he admits it is done.
00;57;26;21 - 00;57;30;21
Mark
Yes, it is. Let's tie up loose ends now.
00;57;30;22 - 00;57;38;22
Sarah
Over. Right. It seems like kind of a rushed conclusion. It makes sense that they would do it and then it works. But it just it just seems kind of rushed.
00;57;38;23 - 00;57;46;05
Mark
I can see why they brought back Doyle, too. Yeah. There's so much of Doyle that they didn't touch on here that I'm sure they wanted to.
00;57;46;05 - 00;58;00;03
Sarah
Yeah. And Bracken Reed shows up in his full police uniform like. Like they're a SWAT team to capture one guy at a seance. I don't really if they think he's that dangerous, that they got to put on their little hat, shouldn't they be protecting this pencil a little bit better?
00;58;00;10 - 00;58;01;08
Mark
I would think so.
00;58;02;23 - 00;58;12;06
Sarah
Hunt killed Ida because Ida was going to expose Miss Pencil. Yes. And Hunt believes in Miss Pencil because she's his only connection to his son.
00;58;12;06 - 00;58;16;26
Mark
I think Miss Pencil think she's a real psychic, But she needs some help.
00;58;17;08 - 00;58;32;10
Sarah
Yes, I do. I agree with you. I think she thinks that other people need to be bamboozled a little bit. They need a little bright and shiny. And so she provides that. But she thinks she can actually connect with people. Yes. Which I think she's fooling herself, but that's another story.
00;58;32;21 - 00;58;34;16
Mark
Oh, get to other stories with her.
00;58;34;16 - 00;58;45;11
Sarah
Yeah, he admits it. Right. So he killed Ida because she was going to out Miss Pencil. Yeah. That would have cut off his connection to his son. And he says he kills Waters just to confuse people.
00;58;45;12 - 00;58;46;27
Mark
Yeah, to throw him off the scent.
00;58;47;00 - 00;58;49;03
Sarah
That's a horrible thing to do.
00;58;49;03 - 00;58;51;23
Mark
Yeah. To frame a person by killing them.
00;58;51;25 - 00;58;52;24
Sarah
Not even that.
00;58;52;26 - 00;58;54;27
Mark
Like, he could have framed him and left him.
00;58;54;27 - 00;59;03;16
Sarah
Alive just to kill somebody. Just to help you get away with your murder. Yeah. Not because you have any reason. No, I mean, there's no reason. Yeah, really.
00;59;03;16 - 00;59;10;14
Mark
It's a little tie up the loose ends here. And speaking of tying up loose end, Murdock gets the brush off from beyond the book.
00;59;10;21 - 00;59;14;14
Sarah
You miss pencil nose that Murdock needs to move on.
00;59;14;15 - 00;59;19;16
Mark
Yes, She is providing the self-help part of psychics.
00;59;19;19 - 00;59;27;04
Sarah
Yes. One of my favorite parts of this whole episode, though, is how many times Julia makes a joke that Murdock doesn't laugh at.
00;59;27;12 - 00;59;30;00
Mark
He doesn't laugh at any of our jokes.
00;59;30;00 - 00;59;35;01
Sarah
It's constant. And I love that she. Just keeps doing it because it amuses her.
00;59;35;11 - 00;59;36;12
Mark
She's funny.
00;59;36;12 - 00;59;55;19
Sarah
It's like she needs to laugh while she's got her hand elbow deep in somebody's store ax or whatever. When she takes the telephonic tuner or whatever it's called, she barely wipes and blood off her hands before she picks it up. Oh, it's so nice. Thank you very. William. I got blood on it. Sorry, I got a sponge. You bet.
00;59;55;19 - 01;00;03;20
Sarah
On the end of the probe. Did you see that? Like, what's that going to suck up when you use it anyway? Yeah, the whole episode. She's telling jokes, and he's just, like, looking at her.
01;00;03;23 - 01;00;07;26
Mark
Yeah, So. And he rides off into the moonlight on his.
01;00;07;26 - 01;00;10;23
Sarah
Bike, almost runs into the T-bones a carriage, and it's.
01;00;10;23 - 01;00;12;06
Mark
Almost T-boned the carriage.
01;00;12;06 - 01;00;14;10
Sarah
I turn on your light, dude. It's running for.
01;00;14;14 - 01;00;29;09
Mark
Now. I did some research while we were talking a solo cyclist. He very famous Sherlock Holmes story is after meeting Murdock. So do you think Doyle was influenced by Murdock on the bicycle to write the solar cycle?
01;00;29;13 - 01;00;40;18
Sarah
So Mark and I talked about this. We were joking around about how Murdock might have influenced Doyle. And like, when Sherlock Holmes comes back after Reichenbach, is he a little bit different?
01;00;40;21 - 01;00;44;05
Mark
I've moved to Canada and now I'm in Toronto as a detective.
01;00;44;05 - 01;00;56;23
Sarah
Yeah, I threw myself off the files because I was tired of all these people and then ran to Canada. And now my name is William Murdoch. And I'm a detective.
01;00;56;25 - 01;00;57;06
Mark
Yeah.
01;00;57;23 - 01;00;58;19
Sarah
In Ottawa.
01;00;58;25 - 01;00;59;10
Mark
Yes.
01;01;00;25 - 01;01;07;07
Sarah
And I ride a bike. So he did the bicycling. He wrote the bicycle story after this, after Murdoch. So maybe it was because he met Murdoch.
01;01;07;07 - 01;01;08;02
Mark
Maybe it was.
01;01;08;04 - 01;01;13;02
Sarah
He got inspired because he probably never saw anybody on a bicycle before that. No, no.
01;01;13;02 - 01;01;16;16
Mark
No, no. One best corp.
01;01;17;00 - 01;01;22;05
Sarah
Neither of them are all that impressive. But I got to give it to Ida because Julianne sticks her arm into her.
01;01;22;20 - 01;01;43;02
Mark
I don't know what that prop is, but they do two good things. That prop looks like a real body because clearly they didn't stick their hands in the actress. And second of all, they don't go for the easy noise, right? They do do sound effects like that. Later I said, do.
01;01;43;03 - 01;01;44;03
Sarah
You said do do. Yeah.
01;01;45;21 - 01;01;47;10
Mark
They do sound.
01;01;47;10 - 01;01;49;01
Sarah
I think that is the actress.
01;01;49;01 - 01;01;49;28
Mark
Oh, you think it is?
01;01;49;28 - 01;01;55;03
Sarah
Yeah. She's played by Carrie Ann Dougherty. I think that is the actress playing on that table. And they've.
01;01;55;10 - 01;01;55;19
Mark
Got a.
01;01;55;19 - 01;02;03;20
Sarah
Problem. They've put in appliance over her. Yeah, and that's what Julia's is sticking your hands into. So she's probably sort of feeling her up.
01;02;03;24 - 01;02;04;16
Mark
Kind of, Yeah.
01;02;05;06 - 01;02;07;08
Sarah
Through that appliance.
01;02;07;08 - 01;02;07;23
Mark
Yes.
01;02;08;29 - 01;02;19;29
Sarah
Don't mind me. I'm just going to grip your ribs here a little bit and pull this pig liver out, because that prop is absolutely believable. That organ that she pulls out is some kind of organ.
01;02;19;29 - 01;02;21;16
Mark
Crabtree. Oh, my God.
01;02;23;08 - 01;02;24;07
Sarah
After the credits.
01;02;24;21 - 01;02;26;24
Mark
Well, Doyle comes back later.
01;02;27;00 - 01;02;32;03
Sarah
Is the Toronto paranormal society going to survive this thing? So they have hundreds of members murdered?
01;02;32;04 - 01;02;37;17
Mark
Nine. Well, I think they're going to show up and go, What are dues money going towards.
01;02;37;26 - 01;02;47;01
Sarah
Your philandering with the dead lady? No, the founder's dead now, so. Yeah. And Conrad's not going to be a member anymore. No. Maybe Liz Guard will take it.
01;02;47;01 - 01;02;51;05
Mark
Over and Miss Pencil. Yeah. Appears and adventures to come.
01;02;51;05 - 01;02;51;16
Sarah
Yeah.
01;02;51;16 - 01;02;55;22
Mark
I don't think she is quite as clean as some slack jawed yokel, though.
01;02;55;22 - 01;02;59;26
Sarah
No, I don't think so. I think Liz Gah goes on to a another job.
01;03;00;05 - 01;03;00;28
Mark
Yeah, I think so.
01;03;01;04 - 01;03;08;04
Sarah
Because she kind of messed it up. He didn't hide in the in the cabinet. Well enough. He should have been dressed as an old lady back there.
01;03;08;12 - 01;03;09;12
Sarah
Oh, hello.
01;03;10;14 - 01;03;16;26
Sarah
I'm just the parlor maid waiting in here until I can be useful. Are you ready for a horrible movie?
01;03;16;28 - 01;03;17;23
Mark
Oh, I'm ready.
01;03;17;24 - 01;03;24;01
Sarah
I've got one truly horrible movie for you. Horrible movie that I'm going to bet you haven't seen.
01;03;24;04 - 01;03;24;20
Mark
Okay.
01;03;24;26 - 01;03;46;19
Sarah
It's from 1987. Okay. And Dan Lett, who plays Conrad Hunt, the killer is in it. Are you ready? Yeah. Here's the description. Detective Jim Bishop and Dr. Rachel Carson must find a way to stop a giant, monstrous insect that's eating people in her quarantined hospital before it procreate and spreads a deadly, deadly infection it's carrying.
01;03;46;19 - 01;03;47;24
Mark
When. When did this come?
01;03;47;25 - 01;03;52;00
Sarah
In 1987. Let me give you some taglines, because there's more than one.
01;03;52;00 - 01;03;52;15
Mark
Okay.
01;03;52;16 - 01;04;10;06
Sarah
They breed, they hatch, they kill. Maybe it's just a phase they're going through. There's a bad bug going around The third one. That was my my favorite. 700 babies were born at the county hospital last. Not one of them is human.
01;04;10;06 - 01;04;21;14
Mark
Those are all fantastic. And there was kind of a run of these in the late eighties. Bond by, I would say, species. There's another movie by Del Toro.
01;04;21;20 - 01;04;26;18
Sarah
But these are actual big bugs, like actual big bugs. There's a lot of larvae in this.
01;04;26;18 - 01;04;28;17
Mark
I don't think I've ever seen this movie.
01;04;28;29 - 01;04;33;12
Sarah
It's called Blue Monkey Watch. Yeah, it's called Blue Monkey.
01;04;33;12 - 01;04;34;21
Mark
Why is it called Blue Moon?
01;04;34;22 - 01;04;48;08
Sarah
I don't know. I don't know. It's called Blue Monkey. Later, rereleases on VHS in other countries called it Invasion of the Body Suckers. It didn't do any better, but it's called Blue Monkey and it's about bugs.
01;04;48;08 - 01;04;49;06
Mark
Yeah, okay.
01;04;49;12 - 01;04;53;16
Sarah
Yeah, Maybe they're just a phase they're going through. Maybe that's one for me.
01;04;53;23 - 01;04;54;07
Mark
That is.
01;04;54;08 - 01;04;59;13
Sarah
Why are you in front of me? Why are you okay? What's our next episode?
01;04;59;13 - 01;05;09;08
Mark
Our next episode is Murdoch Season one, Episode five Till Death Do Part. I love this.
01;05;09;08 - 01;05;12;24
Sarah
Episode. You say that every time I know. What is it? What do you?
01;05;13;01 - 01;05;17;06
Mark
It's the episode where they find the groom killed at the church.
01;05;17;13 - 01;05;20;25
Sarah
Oh, that's very mid-century. Yeah. For somebody to die at their wedding.
01;05;20;25 - 01;05;23;01
Mark
Yes, it's very mid summary.
01;05;23;03 - 01;05;26;06
Sarah
It's very dangerous to get married in any of these shows.
01;05;26;06 - 01;05;26;21
Mark
Any of.
01;05;26;21 - 01;05;30;28
Sarah
These. You just go elope and get it over with. Don't tell anybody. Yeah, and you might live.
01;05;30;29 - 01;05;38;17
Mark
And this is like. Like spot on the nose dealing with things with Murdoch at the church and all sorts of things.
01;05;38;18 - 01;05;42;15
Sarah
Yes. Yes. There's a lot of good themes there. All right.
01;05;43;04 - 01;05;47;15
Mark
You can find mystery maniacs on Facebook, Twitter and email Reddit.
01;05;47;15 - 01;05;47;24
Sarah
Yes.
01;05;47;27 - 01;05;51;27
Mark
We also have a Reddit subreddit for both Miss. I run the one for.
01;05;51;28 - 01;05;55;13
Sarah
Midsummer and son of a mystery maniac. Mr.. Oh, join in. It's fun.
01;05;55;13 - 01;06;16;08
Mark
Go join it. There's a bunch of maniacs on there if you like. It's on YouTube. Hit the bell and subscribe and do all that good stuff. This episode goes out on the 13th of March and we will be returning on the 20th of March next week. Next week with Death Do us part Episode five of Murdoch. Mm.
01;06;16;24 - 01;06;18;00
Sarah
All right. Bye, Maniacs.
01;06;18;11 - 01;06;24;17
Speaker 4
Maniacs is a.
01;06;33;06 - 01;06;38;02
Sarah
M and it is out. Where does Cletus, the slack jawed yokel come from?
01;06;38;03 - 01;06;38;24
Mark
Simpsons.
01;06;38;26 - 01;06;41;13
Sarah
Are you sure? Yes. That is the original source.
01;06;41;13 - 01;06;43;28
Mark
Cletus, the slack jawed yokel.
01;06;43;28 - 01;06;49;17
Sarah
But yeah, You're absolutely sure? Absolutely. It's not deliverance reference. I'm like that.
01;06;49;17 - 01;06;50;14
Mark
I can look it up.
01;06;50;14 - 01;06;54;01
Sarah
Look it up. Just make me feel better. I meant to ask you that earlier, and I forgot.
