Episode 175 - Murdoch Mysteries - "Big Murderer On Campus" - Mom, Mom, Mom & Dad Are Fighting!
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Mark
And you call yourself a detective.
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Sarah
Oh, that's a knife to the heart.
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Mark
Like my little ah.
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Sarah
Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. Mater, you're going to give me an A-minus. I just know it. Oh, I can already feel the minus three. Hey, maniac.
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Mark
Hey, Mania.
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Sarah
That's getting a little out of hand. Yeah, I.
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Mark
Did. I added a bunch extra ease on the transcript for the the real that I did the other day.
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Sarah
Did you? Me? You?
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
If it makes you feel good to say.
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Mark
Hey, welcome to Mystery Maniacs, a comedy recap podcast dedicated to mystery TV. Each week we dig in to an episode of the show, including the murders, the Mayhem, the loonies, and old boy. Do we ever.
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Sarah
Tune in today.
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Mark
And everything else we love this Week. Murdoch Mysteries Big Murderer on Campus Episode seven Season two. Yes, I am, Mark.
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Sarah
I'm Sarah. I'm really happy. You know why? Why? Because I just ate some candy corn. Oh, you know, that means.
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Mark
That I'm not going to remind you how many days is to Halloween.
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Sarah
Don't do it. Don't do it.
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Mark
No, we don't want to do this, though.
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Sarah
Much like other places, it is hotter than Satan's butt crack outside, so it's hard to feel like. So all season is coming tomorrow.
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Mark
It's going to be cool. I can mow the lawn and get poisoned.
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Sarah
Okay, cool is so subjective. It's going to be in the seventies. Yes. And the humidity is going to be in the eighties. Yeah, It's still going to be hot.
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Mark
Well, a couple of things happened this week that we should talk about. First of all, some people have said some very nice things to us online. Yeah, including a lovely lady from New Zealand.
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Sarah
Are you going to do that now? Yeah. Okay. You might remember that last week I revealed that I had seen I had been listening to some podcasts from New Zealand and I didn't realize.
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Mark
The word decade.
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Sarah
And then ten years.
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Mark
Was the same as decade.
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Sarah
When you hear it in a New Zealand accent. Yes. So one of our listeners.
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Mark
From New.
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Sarah
Zealand, Ginger Petal.
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Mark
Oh, thank you.
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Sarah
Responded to us.
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Mark
And are you going to do a dramatic reading?
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Sarah
I think I have.
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Mark
You think you do.
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Sarah
I will apologize to all of our New Zealand listeners in advance. Are you ready?
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Mark
The woman is staring podcast player right now doing What is they going to do?
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Sarah
I'm just going to read it. Oh, are you ready? I'm ready. I should say this received two likes. Okay. I was not expecting to hear that dickhead and dickhead sound the same in a New Zealand. That same. Usually the jokes are all about how we say Dick and Dick. Obviously we know what we're saying.
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Mark
Dick and Dick.
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Sarah
Yeah.
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Mark
My goodness.
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Sarah
And Mike, you're a dick. Okay, let's build a dick on the back of the house.
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Mark
Oh, okay.
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Sarah
We can deck. We can have a barbecue on the dick who didn't invite your friend Dick.
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Mark
Is that.
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Sarah
To.
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Mark
Have any barbecue on the dick?
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Sarah
No. Okay, There's plenty of room on the dick.
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Mark
Who's Dick like? Not Grandma.
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Sarah
Dick. Well, yours if we build it on the back of our house.
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Mark
So you're not having a barbecue on my dick?
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Sarah
Ginger paddle understands that people get dick and dick confused in a New Zealand accent, but doesn't see why decade and decade should get confused.
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Mark
I think we need to go to New Zealand to explore this.
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Sarah
Just to say deck. Yeah. See if people get offended or not.
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Mark
Oh my gosh. Speaking of people, many people mentioned to me through comments and direct messages that there is now going to be an official midsummer podcast. Yes, most people were like, Aren't you guys the official midsummer? No, no.
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Sarah
That would mean we got paid, I think. No, but they're the Midsomer Murders. Official social channels said, Hey, there's a we're going to have an official podcast coming.
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Mark
Out, first of all.
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Sarah
Which means one thing to me, there's going to be more midsummer. Yes, that's it doesn't matter what the podcast is like. They wouldn't be doing it if this was the last season.
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Mark
Yeah, it doesn't make sense. It means that there are multiple seasons of midsummer to come.
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Sarah
And probably that the next season is coming out imminently.
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Mark
Yes, that's what I think, that we will have an imminent announcement. The first of all, thank you to all the lovely people who said on that thread the official thread from midsummer, there's already a podcast and it's really good.
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Sarah
We're not going to compete with that. I think it's great.
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Mark
I think it will be two completely different.
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Sarah
Areas.
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Mark
Around the same topic.
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Sarah
They're not going to say Dick and Dick.
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Mark
No.
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Sarah
No, there won't be allowed. No, Nobody tells us what to say, though, Mark.
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Mark
I think they will be fantastic and I can't wait to listen.
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Sarah
Yeah, it'll be great. On another social channel news, Neil on Instagram, who was one of our random winners in the trivia contest, put up a real a.
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Mark
Beautiful.
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Sarah
Unboxing his t.
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Mark
Shirt stock of his.
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Sarah
Yellow Psycho Fox T-shirt, which is a brave combination, I must say. Is Body.
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Mark
In Blue.
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Sarah
Quite fetching.
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Mark
Back to the 1980s Super hero from DC if there ever was.
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Sarah
The sacrifice. Yeah. On the yellow t shirt. Yeah. It looks awesome.
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Mark
Thank you so much, Neil.
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Sarah
Yeah, that was super fun and super fun.
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Mark
We showed all our friends. Yeah, we know how to make friends.
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Sarah
We were like, Look, people do like us. Even if you don't, we're not Dex. You don't say it right. I have the New Zealand accent down. Obviously. I mean, come on.
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Mark
All I can do is meme meme.
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Sarah
Elsewhere on the socials, we've mentioned that we have a new channel on Instagram. The mystery maniac. Ali.
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Mark
Yes, it's a broadcast channel on the Midsomer Maniacs Main channel.
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Sarah
Yeah. And if you haven't checked it out, just a couple of things that got posted this week that might, you know, get your interest, I guess. Yeah. I posted a recommendation for a show on Britbox called Alan Carr's Adventures with Agatha Christie.
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Mark
Which is fan fantasy.
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Sarah
Alan Carr's so Funny.
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Mark
Cars.
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Sarah
Just he clearly loves Agatha Christie. He's got all kinds of great people on there with him. It was really early.
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Mark
I'll tell you about it. I'll tell you I learned things about Agatha Christie that I did not know from that show.
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Sarah
Which is saying something.
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Mark
Because watch everything.
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Sarah
We've seen, every biography, biopic, all that good stuff. It was really fun. I also posted a couple of pictures of pumpkins that I've been working on.
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Mark
Yeah, because Halloween to give.
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Sarah
People a flavor of what kind of trouble I get up to when I'm not doing this. You posted links to the new Midsomer Episodes, though. Yes.
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Mark
You mean in the UK last night? Angel, The Witches of Angels Rise was broadcast for the first time, so that's season 22, Episode six, I believe. So they're now just a full season behind us.
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Sarah
Only one once.
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Mark
And I posted the Mini and both the video and audio version of the the full episode, which you should watch right after this one. If you watched Witches of Angels Rise, unless you listen to us, like right after the episode.
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Sarah
Nerds, we love you nerds.
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Mark
Because we did a live episode of that. So yeah, we have. That was when we announced Mystery Maniacs.
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Sarah
That's right. And before we dive into this week's Murdoch, I just have a Sarah's recommendation. Yes. And addition to the Alan Carr thing, if you are an audible member, which I'm a junkie for Audible, I have hundreds of audio books on Audible. They also have podcasts that they produce and they just released one that is so good. It's called Agatha Christie and the Dandelion Poisoner.
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Sarah
Oh, and what it's about is it's about Agatha Christie's life, but also this real murder case that was happening at the same time that she was writing one of her first books. It's the Herbert Armstrong murder case that happened in 1921. It was in Hay on why he was a lawyer who was accused of poisoning his sickly wife with weedkiller.
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Sarah
And he was convicted and hanged. Yeah, for that.
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Mark
Now, this is very much like the CORNISH affair.
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Sarah
The CORNISH mystery with Pyro. Pyro and the woman who thinks her husband is poisoning her because he's a dentist and has a blond, He would have a smart girl in the office.
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Mark
Hastings Drools.
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Sarah
Yeah, they go they go all the way down to the CORNISH coast to investigate it. And she does die before they can go.
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Mark
All the way. It may take almost 4 hours to get.
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Sarah
On a train. Yeah, but maybe.
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Mark
Two.
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Sarah
Days. The podcast series is like, six or eight episodes. I can't remember is about the parallels between that real mystery, all that and the CORNISH mystery and it it's just it's so fun. That's really fun. So if you've got Audible, you should go check it out. Agatha Christie and the Dandelion Poisoner.
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Mark
Okay, Big Murder on Campus Original Air Date March 17, 2009. Don Mcbrearty is the director, and Laurie Lind is the writer.
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Sarah
This is a really important Murdoch episode.
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Mark
It's super important.
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Sarah
If you are new to Murdoch and you've not seen episodes past this, you don't know how important this episode.
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Mark
Is the foundation of years.
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Sarah
To come. And we're going to tell you we're not going to ruin anything for you.
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Mark
No spoilers.
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Sarah
It's not spoiling it. But Gilly's, one of the big we spoil everything. Yeah, in the episode we're talking about, right? Gillies One of the murderers becomes the nemesis of Murdoch and doctor ordered and then for five seasons. Yeah, this is the introduction to him. Yeah. And they know it already. Oh, yeah. It is so clear that he is already a waste, super duper bad guy.
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Sarah
He's far more than he is in this episode.
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Mark
You're fantastic actor.
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Sarah
Yeah, his name is Michael Ceder and he's really, really good. But they put all these little hints of, Yeah, just how nefarious he is.
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Mark
Absolutely.
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Sarah
This is a small case for him. The things that he's going to do later, this has got nothing on it.
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Mark
There are episodes of Murdoch that make me so anxious. I get sick and I know the ending.
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Sarah
Yeah, you're like, Oh, I've got it. I know what's going to happen. Don't you still hope that it turns out differently?
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Mark
Well, there's one in particular asked for that anyway.
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Sarah
Yeah, there's one Gillies episode I can't watch because it makes me. Yeah, makes me too edgy. Yeah, yeah. Seen it. And I don't need to see you again.
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Mark
Big man on campus is.
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Sarah
One that we're trying to like aren't in any.
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Mark
Way Big man on campus is what they're playing with here, which is actually a kind of more American title for University's goings on. Started in the thirties.
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Sarah
It's like the most popular man on campus. Yeah. Now when I was in college, it already turned into basically a contest. It was like Mr. Campus, you know, like who? Who was the most popular man who represented the campus? We had the BMC contest. Yeah. You voted for BMC and.
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Mark
Nothing like that in Canada. They had like that.
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Sarah
It was like a beauty contest for dudes. Yes.
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Mark
Now I did. When I put this in, I found a bad, horrible movie. It's not nobody from this episode is in this horrible.
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Sarah
Movie, and we don't recommend you watch this movie. But there is a movie called Big Man on Campus.
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Mark
Which which.
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Sarah
I've seen it. I can't believe.
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Mark
I seen this.
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Sarah
This is a horrible movie Sarah's seen.
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Mark
Let me read you this description in this version of The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Notre Dame a hunchback is found living on the bell tower of UCLA. He is put on trial and made to go through tests. One of the research doctors falls for him and he falls for her. In the end. So I'm scared.
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Sarah
Some hunchback is an incredibly derogatory.
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Mark
Term, just horrific.
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Sarah
He's almost more like a caveman.
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Mark
I can't believe this movie was made in 1989, 35 years ago.
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Sarah
So I saw it when I was in high school. At some point, somehow not in the theater. I'm going to say there's no way I saw no theater.
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Mark
No play is tongue scared. And Cindy Williams and Armin Zimmermann in it like.
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Sarah
Well known actors. If you look it up, you'll recognize people.
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Mark
Well, when I looked it up, I saw one of the characters name really the main character's name. And I kind of went, Oh.
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Sarah
Wow.
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Mark
Because the main character's name is Bob Macaluso, Gag Glue Guy Luca. Luca, Luca. That's the character.
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Sarah
Because he makes up his known, his own name. He says, My name is Bob McCulloch. Lugar, Lugar, Lugar, Lugar, Lugar.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
Like, like I said, he's more like a caveman.
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Mark
In a scene I watched. This is.
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Sarah
Hilarious. No, sorry. It's so.
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Mark
Funny. It's funny because Tom Skerritt is like, can you please be funny? And the guys I.
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Sarah
Know.
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Mark
He's not a.
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Sarah
Clown here. Oh, okay. We'll let our listeners judge. They can go on IMDB and watch that clip and Bob, Meg, look, look, look.
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Mark
Look, look.
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Sarah
Anybody got that name already?
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Mark
Oh, my God.
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Sarah
At least they didn't set it in France. Yeah, that would have been worse. Bob.
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Mark
Meg Okay, just a couple of things before we begin about universities in Canada, University in Canada is very different. It's much more highbrow, especially at this point in time. There's only 17 of them in all of the country at this time.
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Sarah
In the US, any higher education institution that offers graduate degrees is called a university. Yeah, otherwise it's a college. Yeah, it's the same way in Canada, right? There's just far more colleges in our universities.
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Mark
But the universities started at this point in time, amalgamating religious colleges, which is why you have a number of colleges at U of T Yes, there are religious affiliation.
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Sarah
ST Whatever of the.
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Mark
Whatever, while the university is.
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Sarah
Like Oxford. Yes, yes. There's colleges inside the university where they offer graduate programs. It just it's like we would say it's a school. Yes, we have a school of medicine. Yes. They would have a college of yes, right?
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Mark
Yes, yes, yes. These dudes walking around the quad at 9:00 at night, by the way, this is all actually shot on U of T it looks like this. Yeah. It's beautiful to this day. It's gorgeous.
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Sarah
It's like campus.
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Mark
Yeah. Oh, they're laying down some mad beats on those drums, man.
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Sarah
That's what college kids do. Yeah, especially nine, eight, 9 p.m. at night. I mean, come on.
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Mark
And then. Okay.
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Sarah
Also still wear their theater costumes out and about. Yeah.
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Mark
Going around in a weird episode. Why does George mentioned in any when two episodes ago he was having trouble with sex.
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Sarah
I'm guessing somebody mentioned to him they were performing Antigeni. I guess he just took it from there.
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Mark
I guess it's 9:00, which means Peeping Tom.
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Sarah
Time because that's when What's your face gets undressed? Yeah.
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Mark
So that in in an episode with some plot problems. Yeah. These guys stop and say she does this every night at 9:00, and yet she gets paid by Gillies.
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Sarah
That's why she doesn't every night at 9:00, because they've been paying her to do it. Okay. Because, you know, female students live in the building right next to the physics department. They're not often some hovel of a dorm somewhere where they're because they're obviously the minority. Well, and they would put them in the crappiest rooms they could.
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Mark
We did some research because, you know, that's what we do.
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Sarah
When Julia went to medical school, they probably made her stay in a closet.
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Mark
And this hall was the first all female room resident at Victoria College University of Toronto. It is built in 1903 and was the first residence hall for women in Canada. So this is an anachronism?
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Sarah
No, I don't think it is, because I don't think she's in a women's residence hall. I think she's in a room and a building that is used for other purposes that she happens to have a room. And I.
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Mark
Guess.
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Sarah
Maybe the physics department arranged for her to have that room, I don't know. So they can look at her.
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Mark
As extras and make a book and get.
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Sarah
There. At first you're like, Why would anybody get undressed right in front of an open window that they know is is facing on to a crowded clod? And then you find out because she's being paid to do it. That's why she's doing it.
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Mark
And she doesn't seem to have one stitch a problem with that.
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Sarah
No, she probably needs the money.
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Mark
Yeah, absolutely. It's time for Murdoch to make an invention.
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Sarah
Yeah. Talk about anachronism.
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Mark
It's less disruptive than guns.
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Sarah
He's testing out kind of the components of a bulletproof vest based on Mongolian armor that's supposedly made of layers of silk. Yes, This. There is no historical evidence for this.
00;18;01;00 - 00;18;02;09
Mark
Not at all, though.
00;18;02;14 - 00;18;07;21
Sarah
Nowadays they are making ballistic armor out of spider silk. Yes. Which is terrifying.
00;18;07;21 - 00;18;10;06
Mark
Yes. At least this thing is over quick.
00;18;10;07 - 00;18;11;03
Sarah
The idea of.
00;18;11;03 - 00;18;15;11
Mark
Li.
00;18;15;13 - 00;18;24;12
Sarah
The idea of the only thing that's worse than spider silk armor is that they've bred goats to make spider silk, which is really fringy.
00;18;24;17 - 00;18;35;09
Mark
To give you an indication of how small can still is at this time and how small the university community is. Breckenridge just says go to the university because there's only one in town.
00;18;35;10 - 00;18;54;02
Sarah
Yeah. And though their jurisdiction seems to have no end, yes. The default is that it's within Toronto. Yeah, it must be the U of T. So we've got Samuel Bennet. Yeah. Professor of Physics, shot in the head from somewhere in the university quad while he was on the phone and looking through a telescope. Because he's a multitasker.
00;18;54;05 - 00;19;00;02
Mark
Yes. My next note is Mom and dad are fighting for Crabtree.
00;19;00;04 - 00;19;06;04
Sarah
When Julia enters the crime scene, it's like tension, instant tension.
00;19;06;06 - 00;19;09;19
Mark
This whole episode is mom and dad. And mom and mom are fighting.
00;19;09;22 - 00;19;15;25
Sarah
Yes, yes. Stop at mom's mother's.
00;19;15;28 - 00;19;16;22
Mark
So next we.
00;19;16;22 - 00;19;19;16
Sarah
Murdoch says there's a phantom killer on the loose.
00;19;19;16 - 00;19;20;05
Mark
Yes.
00;19;20;07 - 00;19;21;16
Sarah
Dun, dun dun.
00;19;21;17 - 00;19;47;12
Mark
He's totally being facetious here, but it's great. Perry and Gillies here explain the theory of ether, which was in fact a theory of physics at this time. You have to remember at this time, the early the late 19th century and early 20th century, several people have stated that physics was not a area to go into because they had figured it out.
00;19;47;15 - 00;19;54;20
Mark
Most of physics was done. Yeah. And that you should go into chemistry because they had more financial possibilities.
00;19;54;20 - 00;19;56;17
Sarah
Yeah. And there was more things to figure out.
00;19;56;17 - 00;20;13;17
Mark
There was more things to figure out because ether was in vacuums. Yes. Now, of course, we know that there's no such thing as ether, but I think this is really good writing that we are like clued in to their smarmy, smart ness instantly.
00;20;13;20 - 00;20;31;00
Sarah
It is a shortcut to their personality that they set up in the galley. Yeah, it's like the kid who sits in the back row and knows everything. Yes. You know, So Godfrey, the professor who's teaching the class, the seminar? Yes. On his very tiny chalkboard.
00;20;31;00 - 00;20;32;05
Mark
Is very tiny. Chuck.
00;20;32;11 - 00;20;47;19
Sarah
He may as well just have a slate and hold it up to everybody. Yeah, he. But he has their number. He knows exactly what they are like. Yeah, it's like, Oh, you've been reading ahead. Yes. However, they came by that answer. Yes, they are correct. Call on them again.
00;20;47;26 - 00;21;00;15
Mark
Yeah. Also, I didn't get enough research on this because I couldn't find enough, but he may actually should have robes on. He might still have robes on like English professors have in university.
00;21;00;15 - 00;21;10;06
Sarah
In the UK. Yeah, the black robes. I'm kind of sorry that those are gone sometimes. And then I'm sometimes I'm like, not sorry they're gone because they're probably hot and uncomfortable and get in your way.
00;21;10;07 - 00;21;17;18
Mark
Let's talk about a completely irrelevant hobby that both of these professors have so that we have an explanation for a telescope.
00;21;17;22 - 00;21;23;15
Sarah
Well, they look at comets. That's not an irrelevant hobby for physicists, physics professors.
00;21;23;16 - 00;21;23;28
Mark
They're not.
00;21;23;28 - 00;21;39;17
Sarah
Astrophysics. And they get to say Tycho Brahe. Yes, who did, in fact discover a comet like they say. But I just I can't get past the fact that Gillies is cringing from the first frame. You see him.
00;21;39;20 - 00;21;39;29
Mark
In.
00;21;39;29 - 00;22;05;07
Sarah
Pieces. So. And when when the two of them. When Gillies and Perry chased Murdock out of the building. Yeah, they're. They're sycophantic. But, you know, it's not real. Like, they're not like, Wow, you're a real detective. And we're genuinely interested. It's. We have evidence that isn't real that we want to tell you about to frame somebody, and then we want to watch the investigation.
00;22;05;07 - 00;22;07;21
Sarah
Because we're interested. Because we did it.
00;22;07;23 - 00;22;08;08
Mark
Yes.
00;22;08;13 - 00;22;12;19
Sarah
Though, as an instructor, as a professor, I have had students chase me like that.
00;22;12;20 - 00;22;13;09
Mark
Yes.
00;22;13;11 - 00;22;30;20
Sarah
And they're the ones you worry about. And I I've had students say things like, is it okay if I just sign up for an hour in your office hours every week of the semester? Because even if I don't have anything specific to talk about, I just know that if I get to spend some time with you, I'm going to learn so much because I'm so interested in this topic.
00;22;30;26 - 00;22;35;14
Sarah
And I can already tell that you're a really great professor. And I'm like, No, get away from me.
00;22;35;14 - 00;22;42;21
Mark
There's also two types of people who are passed over for department head, people who are pleased, but yes, people who are not.
00;22;42;21 - 00;22;52;01
Sarah
Pleased, but most people are pleased to know that it's in most departments. In my experience, it is something you get stuck with but not something you want.
00;22;52;01 - 00;22;55;26
Mark
This is definitely a little colonialism, though, that he's British.
00;22;56;02 - 00;23;03;03
Sarah
And he gets brought in a new instructor, new member of the faculty and gets made chair Yeah, yeah. And they bring a chair that's on the outside.
00;23;03;09 - 00;23;05;00
Mark
Absolutely central.
00;23;05;03 - 00;23;15;18
Sarah
If you're an academic and they bring a chair in from the outside, a brand new hire, that is a bad sign for all the faculty who are there. Yeah, that none of you were a good choice. We had to find somebody.
00;23;15;19 - 00;23;19;25
Mark
Speaking of academics, Bracken Reed uses Egghead here.
00;23;19;27 - 00;23;20;18
Sarah
Yeah.
00;23;20;21 - 00;23;23;11
Mark
Which is a bit of an anachronism.
00;23;23;16 - 00;23;30;03
Sarah
He also says, compete, compete because now he's Italian.
00;23;30;06 - 00;23;37;26
Mark
Eggheads actually popularized in this med in this meaning in the fifties by Nixon we talked about athletes.
00;23;37;28 - 00;23;40;19
Sarah
Before that it's just bald men just for our eggheads.
00;23;40;19 - 00;23;45;28
Mark
For. Yeah. Well, let's talk about George's search for George.
00;23;46;00 - 00;23;47;06
Sarah
He's a foundling.
00;23;47;07 - 00;23;50;24
Mark
March 14th, 1867. Poor George.
00;23;50;24 - 00;24;05;07
Sarah
He wants to find his mom. Yeah. Did you leave your baby at St James Church in the care of Reverend Lovell? What is it, Laurel or Laurel on or about March 14th, 1867. Police Constable wishes to reunite with his mother. Is St James Church real?
00;24;05;10 - 00;24;05;27
Mark
Yes.
00;24;05;28 - 00;24;06;09
Sarah
Okay.
00;24;06;11 - 00;24;07;22
Mark
There's lots of St James's.
00;24;07;26 - 00;24;10;13
Sarah
So he was left on the doorstep of a church.
00;24;10;15 - 00;24;16;18
Mark
All of this story, because we've watched other Murdoch episodes is completely forgotten.
00;24;16;23 - 00;24;25;17
Sarah
Yes, he finds his mother and we forget about it. Yeah, but without it, we wouldn't have the dueling mothers. Yes.
00;24;25;23 - 00;24;35;04
Mark
I don't like. Okay. Murdoch is like, oh, this is a great idea. And he wins the the note. And I'm like, this is a bad idea.
00;24;35;07 - 00;24;41;19
Sarah
Oh, the the ad Yeah. He wants to place and he's sympathetic to Crabtree wanting to find his mother.
00;24;41;24 - 00;24;45;03
Mark
But then Murdoch is instantly this is a back.
00;24;45;05 - 00;24;45;21
Sarah
Yeah.
00;24;45;22 - 00;24;46;15
Mark
Later on.
00;24;46;16 - 00;25;01;03
Sarah
Well they don't say it when they read out the ad but it must also say come to station house for if you think you're my mom I have money. Which you know must be a joy for the desk sergeant. Yeah. Oh, great. Here comes another crab trees.
00;25;01;03 - 00;25;05;15
Mark
Mom, I was wrong because I thought, like, 30 women show up.
00;25;05;15 - 00;25;07;25
Sarah
Yeah, I remember it being more than two as well.
00;25;07;25 - 00;25;18;05
Mark
It's only two. Let's go to the young Comfort and walk. Awkward moment. They're fighting.
00;25;18;07 - 00;25;37;00
Sarah
I think it's pretty clear that they both wish they weren't, though. Yes, because Julia's pretty open to him coming around and he's brave enough to come around and not try to, like, make up instantly, which I think is a good move on his part. He's like, let's at least be collegial. We have a good relationship. As colleagues. We are beneficial to one another.
00;25;37;00 - 00;25;41;08
Sarah
Can we at least have that back? And they're both mature enough to do that. Yes.
00;25;41;08 - 00;25;42;20
Mark
You know what? You need to be a killer.
00;25;42;20 - 00;25;43;25
Sarah
Murdoch Sand.
00;25;43;28 - 00;25;45;05
Mark
Boulders.
00;25;45;07 - 00;25;58;14
Sarah
Well, yeah, There is a Venn diagram draw over. If you are on a university and there is a killer, he will be wearing a boner. Now, there are people in boaters who are not killers, but all killers on universities. Where boaters?
00;25;58;14 - 00;25;59;20
Mark
Yes.
00;25;59;22 - 00;26;01;08
Sarah
It's a tautology.
00;26;01;10 - 00;26;04;23
Mark
At this point in time. You're like these two guys did it.
00;26;04;24 - 00;26;17;21
Sarah
Yeah, well, you know, they did it from the first time they approached Murdoch. Yes. Because what do killers do? They insinuate themselves in the investigation. So maybe be allowed to observe your investigation.
00;26;17;22 - 00;26;18;12
Mark
They're just.
00;26;18;17 - 00;26;19;01
Sarah
Coming.
00;26;19;02 - 00;26;27;24
Mark
They're trying to find the trajectory of the bullet and killings goes. Maybe he was kneeling and they said, Perry, that says. Or was it the war?
00;26;28;00 - 00;26;28;24
Sarah
Yes.
00;26;28;27 - 00;26;33;12
Mark
And then who says we have one of those? You know, I think said that.
00;26;33;12 - 00;26;39;12
Sarah
Yes. Well, I'm again, incredibly derogatory, horrendous.
00;26;39;12 - 00;26;42;08
Mark
But I tried to find out if you.
00;26;42;08 - 00;26;43;28
Sarah
Wanted to know if that was true or not.
00;26;43;28 - 00;26;48;19
Mark
An individual of extremely short stature was.
00;26;48;26 - 00;26;50;04
Sarah
On the faculty at U of.
00;26;50;04 - 00;26;51;23
Mark
T on the faculty and.
00;26;51;23 - 00;26;53;01
Sarah
Was there.
00;26;53;03 - 00;26;55;10
Mark
I have no idea. This is what.
00;26;55;11 - 00;26;58;10
Sarah
I got derailed instantly.
00;26;58;12 - 00;27;07;15
Mark
This is what I did find. Now there is an enormous amount of work done on dwarf stars and U of T.
00;27;07;15 - 00;27;08;15
Sarah
Well, that's good.
00;27;08;17 - 00;27;21;12
Mark
And the professor and head and chair in the history of Medicine Faculty of Medicine's name is Dr. Edward Shorter.
00;27;21;15 - 00;27;22;25
Sarah
But he is of an average height.
00;27;22;28 - 00;27;26;25
Mark
Which he appears to be in this picture. He's sitting down so he.
00;27;26;27 - 00;27;29;29
Sarah
Could be surrounded by other people afterwards to add.
00;27;30;02 - 00;27;47;29
Mark
Something. I'm like, Well, who else was at U of T at this time? Because it is a premier institution in Canada and they miss an opportunity at this point in time. William Lyon, Mackenzie King, All the Canadians are like, Oh gosh.
00;27;48;01 - 00;27;49;21
Sarah
He's going to become Prime minister.
00;27;49;21 - 00;27;52;04
Mark
Yeah, he's he is Prime Minister, but.
00;27;52;04 - 00;27;53;18
Sarah
He's a student in 1890.
00;27;53;18 - 00;28;00;17
Mark
Six. He's a grad student at this time. Oh, yes, he I wish they had.
00;28;00;20 - 00;28;10;24
Sarah
If you're not Canadian, you don't know. And I only know this because I'm married to a Canadian. But this is a prime minister who later publicly admitted nobody talked to his dead mother.
00;28;10;24 - 00;28;12;02
Mark
While prime minister.
00;28;12;02 - 00;28;19;25
Sarah
He you know, but I mean, yeah, later when he was prime minister, he publicly admitted that he talked to his dead mother and got advice from her young politics.
00;28;20;01 - 00;28;23;10
Mark
Also had Roman ruins on his estate.
00;28;23;12 - 00;28;24;28
Sarah
Did he have them moved from Rome?
00;28;24;28 - 00;28;25;24
Mark
No, he made them.
00;28;26;02 - 00;28;33;15
Sarah
Oh, so they're Canadian Roman ruins. Okay. He probably, like, can take a weird cat.
00;28;33;20 - 00;28;41;14
Mark
Absolutely. So then I'm like, Whoa. I wonder if these professors were actual professors at U of T at this time.
00;28;41;15 - 00;28;42;16
Sarah
Who got in Bennett?
00;28;42;16 - 00;28;44;20
Mark
Yes. I told you this was a rabbit hole.
00;28;44;23 - 00;28;45;05
Sarah
Yeah.
00;28;45;05 - 00;28;54;00
Mark
And I found which could only be I, I may be one of two people who have ever read as much of this book as I.
00;28;54;02 - 00;28;56;05
Sarah
Read the person who wrote it. And you there.
00;28;56;05 - 00;29;07;16
Mark
Is a book entitled Physics at the University of Toronto, 1843 to 18 to 1980 by Elizabeth G. Evelyn.
00;29;07;19 - 00;29;13;06
Sarah
Oh. Elizabeth. Oh, I hope this was your dissertation and you wrote it and you got away from it as.
00;29;13;06 - 00;29;16;24
Mark
Quickly as Wow, it's like 300 pages. Yeah, yeah.
00;29;16;27 - 00;29;18;03
Sarah
Dissertations are.
00;29;18;03 - 00;29;21;14
Mark
Yeah, it's wow. Those names don't appear in the book.
00;29;21;20 - 00;29;27;12
Sarah
The history of one department at one university for 150 years. Yeah. Poof.
00;29;27;14 - 00;29;35;08
Mark
There are some famous professors at U of T, though. Marshall McLuhan, of course, near and dear to my heart.
00;29;35;10 - 00;29;36;16
Sarah
The medium is the message.
00;29;36;16 - 00;29;41;03
Mark
Yeah. Banting, who developed insulin. Roberts and DAVIES, who I met.
00;29;41;06 - 00;29;42;25
Sarah
And did he pick you up?
00;29;42;29 - 00;29;45;21
Mark
No. No. Robertson. DAVIES didn't.
00;29;45;23 - 00;29;50;13
Sarah
Know. I just wondered how many famous people you've met trying to pick you up.
00;29;50;13 - 00;29;53;28
Mark
No, Robert DAVIES didn't pick me.
00;29;54;01 - 00;29;59;26
Sarah
And not like in a dating way, but, like, actually lift you off the ground. So when we.
00;29;59;26 - 00;30;04;08
Mark
Talked about the people who tried to pick me up on this show, it would be a very different show.
00;30;04;11 - 00;30;13;09
Sarah
When they're trying to measure the trajectory George is holding an ancient Roman invention. Yeah. Called a Graham.
00;30;13;11 - 00;30;14;13
Mark
A Granma.
00;30;14;18 - 00;30;15;27
Sarah
Which is a stripey stick.
00;30;16;01 - 00;30;16;22
Mark
Yes.
00;30;16;26 - 00;30;19;10
Sarah
For helping measure distances.
00;30;19;12 - 00;30;23;05
Mark
And that's what it is. And surveyors use them to this day.
00;30;23;06 - 00;30;27;13
Sarah
Yeah, but it's just a striped pole that helps you measure from a distance.
00;30;27;15 - 00;30;30;18
Mark
Is that a vote of confidence, sir? Yes. Go away.
00;30;30;24 - 00;30;49;13
Sarah
Yeah. Those really smart eggheads didn't count on you. Yes, Because you're one of them, too. It's interesting to see Murdoch with these academic intellectuals because Murdoch is not a university graduate. He he didn't come up that way, right? No, he's he's a smart guy.
00;30;49;14 - 00;30;56;13
Mark
He finished what would be the equivalent now of high school. Yeah. Which he did at a Jesuit school.
00;30;56;13 - 00;30;59;28
Sarah
Right. And that's it. And so everything else is self-taught.
00;31;00;02 - 00;31;03;19
Mark
Then he was a lumberjack, and then he was a constable.
00;31;03;19 - 00;31;12;16
Sarah
He's a polymath, though. Yeah, and he does put his foot in it and look like a moron several times in front of Godfrey.
00;31;12;21 - 00;31;13;19
Mark
Yeah, he does.
00;31;13;25 - 00;31;23;27
Sarah
He's like you. You were looking at her. You were looking out. He's like, How could I have been doing that? It was cloudy. Why would he have been looking at a comet through his telescope? It's cloudy and Murdoch's.
00;31;24;00 - 00;31;26;14
Mark
Oh, yeah, Murdoch's quit.
00;31;26;14 - 00;31;45;08
Sarah
Did you wrote this? No, no, I didn't know. Oh, like, dude, I think it's supposed to let us know that he's a bit intimidated by the academic intellectuals. He's got a bit of imposter syndrome, you know, kind of causing him some insecurity and making mistakes. Yeah, but in the end, yeah, obviously he overcomes that.
00;31;45;08 - 00;31;53;10
Mark
But so we're back at the university at nighttime because Murdoch has a theory that maybe something was there that was hiding the.
00;31;53;10 - 00;31;53;26
Sarah
Shooter, the.
00;31;53;26 - 00;31;57;09
Mark
Shooter, and it would return at 9:00.
00;31;57;12 - 00;31;57;22
Sarah
And it.
00;31;57;22 - 00;31;59;06
Mark
Does. Oh, boy.
00;31;59;06 - 00;32;11;00
Sarah
Does the cart, man. We don't know what it's on. What is on the cart? We don't know why he shows up at 845 and leaves at 915, other than he is down on his life. That's what we learned.
00;32;11;03 - 00;32;15;06
Mark
His is wife. He calls her a harpy.
00;32;15;08 - 00;32;16;29
Sarah
That carried in of a life.
00;32;17;02 - 00;32;18;12
Mark
And heritage.
00;32;18;17 - 00;32;30;08
Sarah
He has to go have a pint at the pub after making his rounds, but he has to do it quickly because if he's home after 915 that Herod didn't have a wife in Murdock's like, okay, sir, thank you, you may go.
00;32;30;12 - 00;32;32;06
Mark
So why do you think that's in there?
00;32;32;06 - 00;32;49;11
Sarah
I think it's just to show that he's a common dude and that he has no more to contribute. Yeah, than that he's there. But he does know for sure his timetable. He has a reason to know exactly when he's there and when he's like, yes, I think that's the purpose of it.
00;32;49;13 - 00;32;53;21
Mark
I know we're broken up and everything, but can I still come over and talk.
00;32;53;24 - 00;33;03;11
Sarah
To you even though you're busy? Can I just talk to the back of your head while you conduct obviously finicky chemistry experiments?
00;33;03;14 - 00;33;08;16
Mark
Oh, and when you finally are ready to pay attention to me out of frustration, I'll leave.
00;33;08;16 - 00;33;14;24
Sarah
Yeah, I kind of understand that, though, because.
00;33;14;26 - 00;33;16;13
Mark
It's just a perfectly written.
00;33;16;13 - 00;33;35;01
Sarah
Scene. It's just it. But it for me, it's so common that I don't know what I think until I hear what I say. I have to talk things through to figure out something. And I don't really need the other person to contribute a lot. I just need them to be there. I think, you know, sometimes you just play bobblehead for me and I'm like, Oh, never mind, I just figured it out.
00;33;35;01 - 00;33;40;02
Sarah
Okay, I'm good now. You're so patient about that. And I think that's what I understand.
00;33;40;07 - 00;33;42;05
Mark
People figure things out differently.
00;33;42;05 - 00;34;00;02
Sarah
As soon as he sees that hourglass, he's like, Aha, That's why the sand was there. Actually, it's silica, sir. But yes, that's why the sand was there. There was a timer of some sort on this gun and it was somehow attached to the bottom of a cart and had a timer so that it would go off and shoot.
00;34;00;05 - 00;34;05;05
Mark
How do you the person, Detective, angry, you say, and you call yourself a detective.
00;34;05;10 - 00;34;08;14
Sarah
Oh, that's a knife to the heart.
00;34;08;17 - 00;34;10;23
Mark
Like my role are.
00;34;10;26 - 00;34;20;14
Sarah
Later. You're going to give me an A-minus. I just know it. I can already feel a minus. This whole contraption. We're not.
00;34;20;14 - 00;34;21;05
Mark
We're.
00;34;21;08 - 00;34;30;12
Sarah
No, no, no. The timer works. I understand that part. But if that Cartman parked a quarter of an inch.
00;34;30;12 - 00;34;35;08
Mark
Yeah, never mind. How is it going to get pointed up from under the car.
00;34;35;10 - 00;34;52;12
Sarah
That was challenged? So that's what Gillies and Perry embrace is the challenge of can we pull it off? Chances are that what they would have pulled off is just shooting the side of a building. Yes. Or shooting up into the sky. How did it not get jostled on that rough cart on Kabul rough street?
00;34;52;15 - 00;34;56;11
Mark
Well, you see, they paid a young lady to appear naked.
00;34;56;13 - 00;34;58;02
Sarah
Not naked. Oh, yeah.
00;34;58;05 - 00;35;02;13
Mark
She's quite she's half naked. George takes a knife. No.
00;35;02;15 - 00;35;12;25
Sarah
I think she's worth looking at for them, no question. But her poor schedule. Oh, it's 845. I got to get home and take my clothes off by. Yeah, I got to go.
00;35;12;27 - 00;35;19;17
Mark
So they use the crime scene photos to find that out because of where the telescope is pointed.
00;35;19;20 - 00;35;21;28
Sarah
Meanwhile, Crabtree wrestling with some others.
00;35;21;28 - 00;35;28;09
Mark
He was well known to deal with the joys of spring and special academic for a morning.
00;35;28;09 - 00;35;29;19
Sarah
Yes, I think so.
00;35;29;26 - 00;35;31;21
Mark
Can I have a dollar?
00;35;31;24 - 00;35;43;13
Sarah
Meanwhile, strumpet mom and apparently ugly mom are wrestling at a station house floor and Brackenridge has to come and go, Mother, and take.
00;35;43;13 - 00;35;47;01
Mark
It outside. Mom and Dad are fighting and mom and Mom are fighting.
00;35;47;03 - 00;36;01;29
Sarah
The one mom says to the other, You're so ugly you would like scare a horse away from a oatmeal or something like that. And the other one just strap. I'm glad there's only two of them. Or it would get really gross. It would be really bad wrestling match.
00;36;02;01 - 00;36;09;19
Mark
So they bring the boys in and Murdock talks to Perry while Gillies looks weird in the way.
00;36;09;21 - 00;36;10;27
Sarah
OC Gillies always.
00;36;10;27 - 00;36;13;00
Mark
Looks sweet. Yes. Sorry. Yes. Yes. He that.
00;36;13;02 - 00;36;23;21
Sarah
Always. And the more you know about him, the weirder he looks. I was watching for it this time. Yeah. He like there's a scene where he watches Julia walk.
00;36;23;22 - 00;36;24;05
Mark
Yeah.
00;36;24;08 - 00;36;27;12
Sarah
Across the room and it's so predatory.
00;36;27;12 - 00;36;33;19
Mark
I actually got chills because I hadn't noticed that before. Yeah. That he gets a little obsessed with Julie.
00;36;33;19 - 00;36;48;25
Sarah
Like Perry. Perry just looks nervous. Yeah, he's a little bit defiant because he's still a rich boy, but he looks a bit nervous. But Gillies is like somebody looking at a bug pinned to a board. Yeah. You know, when he looks at.
00;36;48;25 - 00;36;52;10
Mark
People because they have to admit that they paid the young lady to get.
00;36;52;10 - 00;36;55;08
Sarah
Undressed. Yes, because it's Perry's handwriting on the note.
00;36;55;08 - 00;37;00;13
Mark
It's purely coincidence he got shot at the exact same time. That's bad killer.
00;37;00;14 - 00;37;13;00
Sarah
Yeah, well, they don't expect to find the note, right? They don't expect Murdoch to have the note. They don't expect Murdoch to find out that it's not Godfrey's handwriting now. It's not well planned.
00;37;13;00 - 00;37;22;25
Mark
They have to explain. Meanwhile, George and Murdoch have what seems to be a 15 minute discussion about Simpson and Saltman.
00;37;22;29 - 00;37;27;01
Sarah
Yeah, sir, if you're suggesting cutting me in half, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
00;37;27;02 - 00;37;29;20
Mark
I'll just add that.
00;37;29;23 - 00;37;33;05
Sarah
Crabtree, though.
00;37;33;07 - 00;37;41;09
Mark
What I don't understand and we'll get to this when we cover this in a little bit, there's a part in this episode where I think they cut some stuff.
00;37;41;09 - 00;37;42;03
Sarah
Yeah.
00;37;42;05 - 00;37;44;13
Mark
Why was it not the Samson?
00;37;44;14 - 00;38;09;24
Sarah
So, yeah, to cut that part. Well, okay, so they have to find a way to separate Perry and Gillies. Right? They need to turn Perry on. Gillies They know that Perry is the weaker of the two. And, and so they're they're going to target Perry as the weak link, right? But at the same time, they've also got two mothers who they need to distinguish which one's real and which ones not.
00;38;09;24 - 00;38;15;14
Sarah
And so Murdoch, being the smart person, he is up with the Solomon approach that will solve both problems.
00;38;15;14 - 00;38;35;09
Mark
Yeah. This everyone who writes for television works really hard. Not saying they don't, but it would not surprise me that this was one of her earlier scripts because it is problem solution wrong problem, solution wrong. Oh, I have an idea or I have an idea or I have an idea and this. Or I have an idea. Solve all the problems.
00;38;35;09 - 00;38;36;07
Sarah
Yes.
00;38;36;09 - 00;38;42;12
Mark
And I think trying to solve those two problems at the same time makes it a little.
00;38;42;12 - 00;38;42;21
Sarah
Heavy.
00;38;42;23 - 00;38;45;16
Mark
Hammered and tight at the end.
00;38;45;19 - 00;38;47;17
Sarah
So the idea is that they're going to get Perry.
00;38;47;17 - 00;38;51;16
Mark
I know you're incredibly busy, Julie, and we're broken up.
00;38;51;23 - 00;38;52;18
Sarah
But I need your help.
00;38;52;18 - 00;38;54;28
Mark
You sure? Yeah.
00;38;55;00 - 00;38;59;23
Sarah
I know you're busy with a giant syringe squirting something into a cadaver.
00;38;59;29 - 00;39;04;06
Mark
I know you've thrown me out of the house. Could you help me move?
00;39;04;14 - 00;39;12;12
Sarah
Yeah. And pay for the movers.
00;39;12;14 - 00;39;21;12
Mark
And unload the truck. Murder. What? And that is the perfect murder because he is so completely unaware.
00;39;21;12 - 00;39;33;26
Sarah
Yeah, he is. He's. He's a kind person, but he's a little socially inept sometimes, right? Yeah, because he just doesn't see why it would be a problem. But I think Julie is grateful for the opportunity.
00;39;34;01 - 00;39;34;22
Mark
Like it's out.
00;39;34;22 - 00;39;36;15
Sarah
I think she's fine doing it.
00;39;36;15 - 00;39;43;06
Mark
And now we have not an interrogation scene and not a bring everybody in the library, you know, which I saw.
00;39;43;12 - 00;39;44;28
Sarah
Recreate the crime.
00;39;44;28 - 00;39;49;11
Mark
I celebrate both of those thing, but there's too many of both those things.
00;39;49;11 - 00;39;49;23
Sarah
Yes.
00;39;49;27 - 00;39;51;20
Mark
So this is this is great.
00;39;51;21 - 00;40;00;22
Sarah
So they flatter Perry by saying, we know you didn't do it. You've convinced us of that. So now we need your expertise. And he's like, Oh, of course.
00;40;00;24 - 00;40;05;16
Mark
So stand here in the exact same spot with the telephone in your hand.
00;40;05;19 - 00;40;06;27
Sarah
And look at this telescope.
00;40;06;27 - 00;40;08;05
Mark
I'm just a policeman.
00;40;08;11 - 00;40;09;04
Sarah
What do I know?
00;40;09;04 - 00;40;12;13
Mark
What do I murder? I do so great here. And then George gets shot.
00;40;12;16 - 00;40;14;17
Sarah
Who shoots George?
00;40;14;19 - 00;40;19;01
Mark
I don't know. I don't know if it's Gillies trying to actually kill.
00;40;19;01 - 00;40;19;27
Sarah
Him now.
00;40;19;28 - 00;40;21;03
Mark
Because I don't think that's.
00;40;21;03 - 00;40;24;18
Sarah
True. No, I think Murdoch arranged for him to be shot.
00;40;24;19 - 00;40;34;03
Mark
Why did he arrange for me to be shot? He could have easily fired a blank and scared him because, like Perry, he's a coward. Yeah. Perry's like, God.
00;40;34;05 - 00;40;44;09
Sarah
He's not in check in the wounds or anything, But instead they put George in basically a rudimentary bullet proof vest and actually shoot him through the window.
00;40;44;14 - 00;40;47;01
Mark
Because of invention earlier.
00;40;47;01 - 00;40;50;08
Sarah
On and never mention who's doing the shooting.
00;40;50;08 - 00;40;55;04
Mark
No, no. We have to talk about Solomon and some.
00;40;55;10 - 00;40;58;20
Sarah
So maybe Station four has a secret sharpshooter.
00;40;58;21 - 00;41;02;07
Mark
Maybe I. I like your theory.
00;41;02;09 - 00;41;03;05
Sarah
That it's Julia.
00;41;03;05 - 00;41;04;29
Mark
It's Julia.
00;41;05;02 - 00;41;06;07
Sarah
He did ask her for help.
00;41;06;12 - 00;41;09;27
Mark
You know, in a non spoiler way, she's pretty good with the bullet arrow.
00;41;09;27 - 00;41;12;12
Sarah
She is. And she does shoot somebody with a rifle.
00;41;12;13 - 00;41;13;03
Mark
She does?
00;41;13;08 - 00;41;21;07
Sarah
Yeah, but it's not a sharpshooter shot. No, but how many people when George tries to shoot him from a distance through a window.
00;41;21;09 - 00;41;22;05
Mark
I guess.
00;41;22;05 - 00;41;24;08
Sarah
And not hit him in his head.
00;41;24;11 - 00;41;26;02
Mark
Wow. I wouldn't shoot.
00;41;26;03 - 00;41;32;05
Sarah
And he's got to trust Murdoch's invention that it's going to save him, even though it does have a metal plate.
00;41;32;10 - 00;41;34;04
Mark
Step in front of.
00;41;34;07 - 00;41;36;09
Sarah
Between Perry and the window and take the.
00;41;36;09 - 00;41;41;17
Mark
Ball back right time. And there's a clock going off at the same time.
00;41;41;19 - 00;41;49;00
Sarah
I'm sorry. The policeman's union is not going to approve it. No, H.R. is not going to approve of this. Health and safety is not going.
00;41;49;06 - 00;41;54;05
Mark
To Crabtrees one day of training. Did not.
00;41;54;07 - 00;42;02;00
Sarah
Know. Oh, no. I don't care how much you trust your boss. I trust my boss a lot. I'm not letting them shoot at me.
00;42;02;05 - 00;42;05;08
Mark
Okay, so the boys are right. Paul, back in.
00;42;05;10 - 00;42;12;10
Sarah
And do you remember when you first saw this? Did you think that George had actually been shot by it? Like Gillies shot him for a phone?
00;42;12;15 - 00;42;12;29
Mark
Oh, yeah.
00;42;13;04 - 00;42;14;19
Sarah
So you really thought he'd been shot?
00;42;14;19 - 00;42;23;16
Mark
I did. And I also thought for some reason that Perry was the ringleader. I'm watching it now. It's like, incredibly obvious that Gillies is the ringleader.
00;42;23;16 - 00;42;26;18
Sarah
Oh, yeah, but the killer was targeting you, Perry.
00;42;26;22 - 00;42;35;25
Mark
So Perry's getting the one. The whammy put on him by Murdoch, the Ballocks thing, and Bracken Rigg comes out and talks to Gillies.
00;42;35;27 - 00;42;37;20
Sarah
And read so good.
00;42;37;22 - 00;42;41;02
Mark
He totally bullies the bully here.
00;42;41;04 - 00;42;44;21
Sarah
He's rough around the edges, but he puts it to good use.
00;42;44;21 - 00;42;46;07
Mark
Takes his straw.
00;42;46;09 - 00;42;50;01
Sarah
Takes his hat, holds it just far enough away that he can't reach it.
00;42;50;01 - 00;42;50;11
Mark
Yeah.
00;42;50;19 - 00;43;05;17
Sarah
And then so smartly offers him a cup of tea so that when Perry comes out from being interrogated, Gillies is sitting there with a dainty cup and saucer, looking as cool as a cucumber while he's been in there getting grilled.
00;43;05;17 - 00;43;06;13
Mark
Here.
00;43;06;15 - 00;43;10;09
Sarah
And giving him a cup of tea is so smart.
00;43;10;12 - 00;43;17;18
Mark
So now they make the implication here subtly that maybe there's something going on with the boys that is more than murder.
00;43;17;21 - 00;43;26;12
Sarah
I didn't get that. I got the They're partners in crime. They're not just friends, okay? I didn't get that. Maybe they're a couple.
00;43;26;14 - 00;43;30;11
Mark
I think that's a direct reference to Leopold and Loeb.
00;43;30;15 - 00;43;47;13
Sarah
If you don't know about Leopold and Loeb, they were a pair of real people, real men in the 1920s who were students at the University of Chicago who got it into their head that it would be interesting to see if they could get away with murder. They were convinced. They were convinced that they could murder somebody and not get caught.
00;43;47;17 - 00;43;51;09
Sarah
Yes. And they were both wealthy and spoiled.
00;43;51;15 - 00;43;54;17
Mark
And it was implied in all the press that they were.
00;43;54;17 - 00;43;56;02
Sarah
Gay, that they might have been gay.
00;43;56;03 - 00;43;57;22
Mark
I don't know if they were they.
00;43;57;22 - 00;43;59;16
Sarah
But they killed a little boy.
00;43;59;16 - 00;44;00;09
Mark
They killed a little.
00;44;00;09 - 00;44;01;20
Sarah
And they did not get away with.
00;44;01;20 - 00;44;06;16
Mark
It. And they just did it. And it's worth real killed come through.
00;44;06;17 - 00;44;23;16
Sarah
Yeah, absolutely. And they even sort of admitted to it and said, but you can't convict us for it. Yeah. So and they were wrong. And I think Gillies and Perry are supposed to be a reference to them, you know, that would be out of time. They are the very, very similar kinds of killers.
00;44;23;16 - 00;44;24;10
Mark
By the way, because.
00;44;24;10 - 00;44;28;21
Sarah
They didn't really have anything against Bennett. They just wanted to see if they could pull it off.
00;44;28;22 - 00;44;31;18
Mark
Yes. Everybody teleports everywhere in this episode.
00;44;31;24 - 00;44;32;10
Sarah
Yeah.
00;44;32;12 - 00;44;36;09
Mark
So at the hospital, in the hallway, we get.
00;44;36;12 - 00;44;46;11
Sarah
Well because Julia has shot at Crabtree, pocketed the gun in one of her big pockets, apparently. And took to the hospital. Yep. Ahead of George being taken to the hospital.
00;44;46;12 - 00;44;48;09
Mark
No, no, George is in the hospital.
00;44;48;12 - 00;44;49;00
Sarah
Yeah.
00;44;49;02 - 00;44;54;16
Mark
He's paralyzed of the moms. These paralyzed that He will need care for the rest of his life.
00;44;54;17 - 00;45;04;12
Sarah
A good man needs care for the rest of his life. Which of you will go to him? Yeah. Were you surprised by which Mom shows up at the bedside? Yes. You thought it was going to be the fanciest.
00;45;04;15 - 00;45;14;17
Mark
They're playing with that. Yeah. And it's a little heavy handed with the wheelchair right there. Yeah, but also, hospital goes along with this.
00;45;14;19 - 00;45;39;10
Sarah
Of course they do. Julia's a doctor. She's got connections. I guess this is before later seasons where she starts to burn some bridges at hospitals. So, yeah, it's the police there. They're doing a sting, right? Because one of these women is a criminal. The fake mom is lying and trying to take Crabtree for a ride. And that's larceny, I think.
00;45;39;10 - 00;45;43;03
Mark
I guess at least at the very least, wasting police time.
00;45;43;03 - 00;45;43;23
Sarah
Mm hmm.
00;45;43;24 - 00;45;44;18
Mark
Okay.
00;45;44;20 - 00;45;46;15
Sarah
Then we've got the big classroom scene.
00;45;46;15 - 00;45;50;08
Mark
Murdoch gets to play. Oh, I'm just so stupid.
00;45;50;12 - 00;45;55;13
Sarah
All the classes I've taught, I've never got to have a dramatic scene like this.
00;45;55;16 - 00;45;57;26
Mark
Oh, you didn't. You didn't reveal a murder.
00;45;57;26 - 00;46;01;07
Sarah
No more clever get to do than me.
00;46;01;09 - 00;46;06;13
Mark
I did in one of my classes. It was me.
00;46;06;15 - 00;46;16;16
Sarah
That's the only way you're able to pull it off is if it's you. Yeah. I like the way that Murdoch sort of pretends to frame it up as a physics lesson about the news.
00;46;16;16 - 00;46;18;10
Mark
Yeah, I think so.
00;46;18;13 - 00;46;19;06
Sarah
Obvious.
00;46;19;06 - 00;46;29;28
Mark
This show is obsessed with that hangman's noose equation. Yeah, it makes reappearance in the future. I think this is not only poor taste.
00;46;30;01 - 00;46;51;16
Sarah
Well, you know, that's where the phrase pulling my leg comes from. Yes. If you were hanged. Yeah. And the noose wasn't long enough, so you were just choking? Yeah. Instead of your neck breaking, you would hope that a friend would come over and hang off of your leg. Yeah. To to put you out of your misery faster. So when they say, where you pulling my leg.
00;46;51;21 - 00;46;53;29
Sarah
Yeah. That's what, that's what it's a reference to.
00;46;54;00 - 00;47;00;26
Mark
And this, this is the scene where Gillies sees Julia for the first time and watches her like. And.
00;47;00;29 - 00;47;15;20
Sarah
Well, she is the only woman in the room. Yeah. Now why they put Barack and Reid and Julia on one side of them and put further away from the door than Perry and Gillies are, because you think they're just going to get off, get up and take off at that door. They're right there. There's constables in the hallway.
00;47;15;23 - 00;47;29;27
Sarah
Yeah. So the, the rope thing is just putting pressure on Perry. Yeah, but when Murdoch says that he made a list of all of the hardware required to, to set this gun up.
00;47;29;27 - 00;47;35;23
Mark
And we see the, the scene where George and Henry go round all the hardware and.
00;47;35;25 - 00;47;42;25
Sarah
I'll know and say, Do you have the name of everybody who bought screws in the last three months? You do. Thank you. And you already have it prepared.
00;47;43;00 - 00;47;44;18
Mark
No, we don't see that.
00;47;44;21 - 00;47;52;16
Sarah
Cool. But you can't do that. I bought screws several times in the last three months, and I don't think anybody could say that I did.
00;47;52;18 - 00;47;56;03
Mark
It's more likely they tracked them down by the.
00;47;56;03 - 00;47;57;20
Sarah
The sand spot. Sand?
00;47;57;24 - 00;48;03;16
Mark
No, The hourglass is a difficult thing to either make or buy.
00;48;03;16 - 00;48;06;24
Sarah
Oh, but in Murdoch's version of the rig, it's not. It's a bottle.
00;48;06;26 - 00;48;08;04
Mark
Oh, that's right. It's.
00;48;08;10 - 00;48;12;19
Sarah
It's just a bottle leaking out onto a tiny tray that catches the silica.
00;48;12;19 - 00;48;18;10
Mark
Was my idea. You know, I love those moments where you're like, Oh, shut up.
00;48;18;11 - 00;48;27;10
Sarah
Yeah. Gillies It's like, Don't talk, man. Even you can't prove it. It's like it wasn't. It was. It was. Yeah.
00;48;27;12 - 00;48;38;17
Mark
We're we're hopefully addicted to a whole bunch of shows, including Survivor. I love it in Survivor or when somebody says something stupid like that and the other person's like, Oh, dude.
00;48;38;19 - 00;48;40;04
Sarah
You just said that.
00;48;40;04 - 00;48;41;18
Mark
You just blew it.
00;48;41;20 - 00;48;47;23
Sarah
Can you rewind time? No. Yeah, thanks. You screwed us all. You know, Gillies clearly knows that.
00;48;48;00 - 00;48;58;27
Mark
Oh, by the way, George is perfectly fine. I came to thank you in the morgue of love. Their families who hire the best lawyers. Oh, boy.
00;48;59;02 - 00;48;59;28
Sarah
Just wait.
00;49;00;02 - 00;49;01;08
Mark
Just You wait.
00;49;01;14 - 00;49;12;12
Sarah
Hey, Julia. I know we broke up and everything, and. But we. We work together in this case, so maybe things are going to be okay between us. So I thought maybe I would like, invite you to.
00;49;12;14 - 00;49;17;08
Mark
To battery display. No, I have to wash my body.
00;49;17;08 - 00;49;28;27
Sarah
Yeah, I have to watch anything. It's better than going to a battery display with you. All right, So out of tides.
00;49;29;03 - 00;49;44;27
Mark
So I often when the most disastrous first date award because of her choice, I took a young lady to see Blue Velvet on a first day. Oh, my God. A first date movie.
00;49;45;03 - 00;49;50;13
Sarah
Okay, you may as well. I'm taking your mom to go see it like that. That would be worse, but.
00;49;50;13 - 00;49;59;04
Mark
Only not of first date movie. And it wasn't good reviews. We enjoyed the movie. Yeah, but we did not go on the second date.
00;49;59;04 - 00;50;01;16
Sarah
Yeah. Or speak afterwards, right?
00;50;01;18 - 00;50;09;01
Mark
No, I don't think so. But going to the battery thing with me might be the second worst first date.
00;50;09;04 - 00;50;10;15
Sarah
Yeah.
00;50;10;17 - 00;50;12;09
Mark
Julia's goldfish is still here.
00;50;12;16 - 00;50;16;14
Sarah
And poor goldfish must be so bored. There's nothing in that tank.
00;50;16;14 - 00;50;17;07
Mark
And then big.
00;50;17;07 - 00;50;19;22
Sarah
Bottle and squeeze it through the top.
00;50;19;22 - 00;50;29;04
Mark
I'm like the entire scene of George's mom. You're not as mommy. Mommy. And that's probably not because they totally rewrite this part later on.
00;50;29;04 - 00;50;29;23
Sarah
Yeah.
00;50;29;25 - 00;50;30;29
Mark
So it's like this.
00;50;30;29 - 00;50;34;08
Sarah
Disregard it completely. Yeah, but it is kind of a fun little scene.
00;50;34;14 - 00;50;36;08
Mark
Yes. Best corpse.
00;50;36;13 - 00;50;37;04
Sarah
There's only one.
00;50;37;08 - 00;50;38;11
Mark
Only one.
00;50;38;13 - 00;50;40;11
Sarah
So Bennett wins best? Yeah.
00;50;40;13 - 00;50;46;14
Mark
After the credits, Murdoch gets a job at the university that he got an A-minus.
00;50;46;17 - 00;50;49;18
Sarah
I says he go to the battery display by himself.
00;50;49;20 - 00;50;50;13
Mark
Probably.
00;50;50;13 - 00;50;54;28
Sarah
I think he does actually think he does, because he's not going to miss it.
00;50;54;29 - 00;50;57;08
Mark
No. We covered horrible movies already.
00;50;57;08 - 00;51;20;06
Sarah
Yeah, we know that Gillies and Perry are going to be tried. Yes, we know that Crabtree and his mother are going to be dealt with, not dealt with. Yeah, and that's about it. Yeah. And University of Toronto goes on. Okay, that's important. And to this day, in a window at 9 p.m., you can see the ghostly apparition of a half naked lady.
00;51;20;08 - 00;51;20;23
Mark
Yes.
00;51;20;28 - 00;51;22;11
Sarah
No, no, I made that up.
00;51;22;11 - 00;51;39;10
Mark
Okay, now we're going to prep you here. Prep you, Sarah. Oh, okay. The characters is arriving in the next episode. A character we do not like. Mm. And she vies for Murdoch's attention. Mm hmm. How many episodes do you think she's in?
00;51;39;10 - 00;51;45;20
Sarah
As much as I hate her, she must be in a thousand episodes, But I think she's in, like, two.
00;51;45;24 - 00;51;54;29
Mark
She's in three. The next three episodes, I, I promise we won't talk too much about. We hate her.
00;51;55;05 - 00;52;10;17
Sarah
Don't punch your TV. Don't want to. But has Murdoch gets a girlfriend But and it's not that it's not Julia. I understand that he can date other ladies, but I hate her. But do you?
00;52;10;19 - 00;52;14;07
Mark
The system now, in 93 episodes.
00;52;14;10 - 00;52;18;14
Sarah
What's her name doing this? I get her confused with crab trees. Girlfriend.
00;52;18;14 - 00;52;19;23
Mark
Later, maybe. Eunice.
00;52;19;26 - 00;52;20;13
Sarah
I don't know.
00;52;20;13 - 00;52;21;24
Mark
Maybe it's our.
00;52;21;26 - 00;52;22;19
Sarah
Woman I hate.
00;52;22;19 - 00;52;28;29
Mark
Bad, but we also get robots. Hmm. Okay. Yes, You heard me right.
00;52;28;29 - 00;52;30;22
Sarah
Robot robots.
00;52;30;24 - 00;52;34;12
Mark
We get Murdoch mysteries doing Hitchcock talk.
00;52;34;16 - 00;52;35;14
Sarah
Mm.
00;52;35;16 - 00;52;43;01
Mark
Because that's convalescence Episode nine. And then we get Murdoch dot com Murdoch invent the internet.
00;52;43;07 - 00;52;54;06
Sarah
And in the background the most annoying girlfriend you'll ever see. Yeah, I'm going to say it it's out of my system now but that would be a lie.
00;52;54;10 - 00;52;56;22
Mark
We may mention that she's annoying.
00;52;56;25 - 00;52;58;22
Sarah
No, Daddy likes her. I don't like.
00;52;58;23 - 00;53;05;08
Mark
September 4th for the next episode. Season two, Episode eight I Murdoch, Which of course plays on I Robot.
00;53;05;10 - 00;53;05;24
Sarah
Robert.
00;53;05;25 - 00;53;28;06
Mark
Robot September 6th. We'll have the newsletter out and then continue on. Murdoch In September when September is done, we will do Father when Murdoch is done. I think there's two episodes after that though we will take our standard late October break because I have to go to Canada and.
00;53;28;10 - 00;53;31;11
Sarah
And everything is up in the air. If there are new midsummer's.
00;53;31;14 - 00;53;32;01
Mark
Everything's.
00;53;32;04 - 00;53;32;24
Sarah
Hazy.
00;53;32;27 - 00;53;39;05
Mark
And which we have a clear sign that there will be new midsummer's released soon.
00;53;39;05 - 00;53;39;24
Sarah
Yes.
00;53;39;26 - 00;53;50;05
Mark
Midsomer Murders Official Podcast. Meanwhile, and I wish two of those people. I wish them all the best. Oh, yeah, I think. I think that'll be fine thing to do.
00;53;50;05 - 00;53;55;16
Sarah
So in the meanwhile, don't be a dick on your dick. Try to stay cool.
00;53;55;17 - 00;54;00;21
Mark
Yes, stay cool and enjoy the last few weeks of summer.
00;54;00;24 - 00;54;02;23
Sarah
Satan's butt crack by maniac.
00;54;02;26 - 00;54;03;17
Mark
Hey, baby.
00;54;03;17 - 00;54;21;05
Sarah
I just. If you are near me.
